I am so grateful to have found this website. Reading about everyone's individual experiences has been incredibly affirming. I know my post is going to be a long one but I am desperate to hear from others in the same situation and to figure out what factors are ADD related and which are just my husband.
I am 32 years old, married to a 34 year old man with ADD. He has known he has ADD for about 10 years. We have been married just under 2 years and have a beautiful 5 month old baby. He has a well paying job and I stay home with our daughter. My husband has been on meds in the past but never found the right combination and now refuses to try. He won't go to individual counseling but we are in couples counseling with a counselor who does not specialize in ADD.
Before we had our daughter, things felt relatively manageable to me in our marriage. I knew very little about ADD or how it was showing up in our relationship. We had issues which I wanted to address before having children (sex, conflict resolution, household chores, etc) but he refused to go to counseling and then I got pregnant, so plans changed. Ever since our daughter was born, we have been fighting all of the time and our relationship has been unbearable. Before I had my daughter, I had enough energy to expend on helping my husband "do" his life (I wasn't working while I was pregnant). I now realize that all of my "helping" was at the expense of my own needs and wants. Now that I have an infant, I no longer have enough energy to take care of the baby, our dog and my husband, much less me! Subsequently, the symptoms of his ADD have gotten worse as he is "acting out" from not getting enough attention or affection. This just makes me incredibly angry and resentful. Here is some background info and a description of the issues I'm dealing with:
PRE-MARRIAGE: My husband and I met in our early 20's and there was an intensity and excitement to our relationship immediately. We had incredible conversations that lasted for hours but felt like minutes. I had never had so much fun with anyone I had ever dated. However, we broke up and got back together 3 times over the next 7 years and then finally, on my 30th birthday, he called and we talked for 3 hours and I just couldn't resist that old spark and intensity. No one had ever made me feel so energized! He was living out of state at that time so we visited often and became engaged after just 2 months of being back together. We were married 9 months after he proposed. Looking back over the years of our on-again, off-again relationship, I can see now that every time we were broken up, he would shower me with attention and affection. He would tell me in very specific, seemingly introspective words about the ways he had "changed" and was ready to get back together. I felt like the most important person in his life...when we weren't together. Inevitably, we would get back together, he would shift his focus elsewhere and the problems would start. I see now that I was so quick to excuse his selfish, angry, scattered behavior because the moments when we would connect were intoxicating. I felt like a drug addict, willing to put up with all of the negative, just to have the short-lived "fix" every once in a while. I didn't know anything about ADD and the hyper-focused behavior that can occur. I was the focus until he got me and then the focus shifted elsewhere and I was left wondering why I fell for it again. I even talked to him about this issue before we got married and he swore that it wouldn't happen after getting married. I fell for it. This was before I realized that he is an expert at telling people what they want to hear, even though he most likely cannot/will not deliver.
FINANCES: This, luckily, is an area in which he excels. Money is extremely important to him, he makes a decent amount each year and he is generally okay with managing it, so we are in a good position there. My complaints in this area are that he is self-employed and does not get a regular paycheck. We do not have a budget and I have no idea how much money is coming in and when. Some days he comes home in an angry/depressed mood and complains that we have no money and he doesn't know how we are going to pay the bills this month. The very next day he may come home in a great mood because a check came in and he starts brainstorming about the things he wants to buy. Neither of us spend money easily but his attitude about it leaves me spinning. It's hard for me to know how much I can spend on groceries, baby stuff, household items, etc. when I never know if it will be a day when he feels like we have money or don't have money. If it's a day when we "don't have any money" and I have purchased something (ex: toy for the baby) he gets really mad and accuses me of not knowing the value of money because I came from a family where we didn't worry about money and my dad was always available to help me out if I needed it. What?? I try really hard to not spend extravagantly because I don't know how much money we have at any give time. I do allow myself to occasionally buy some toys for the baby or curtains for some of the empty windows in the house. Not to mention that if there is something HE wants to buy, like clothes which he doesn't need, he goes ahead and does it and I don't complain because I assume he knows that there is enough money to do so. This is a real power situation. He has all of the power in this area and I feel helpless. We have tried to do a budget but never finished. I can see our checking and savings accounts online but he has business accounts that I can't see and frankly don't understand. He invests money in the stock market and is online every day playing around with it but he never asks me if I want to invest or how much we should spend. He says it's his money and he should be able to invest it if he wants. We are also consistently a year or more behind on our taxes, which I cannot take over because they are extremely complicated.
LIES: One of the most important values to me is honesty. I rarely lie about anything and I expect others to tell the truth to me. HOW did I end up marrying a man who has no problem lying????? For example, he has always known that I did not want to marry a man who smokes cigarettes. When we got back together, he told me he had quit and I believed him. After we were married, I started to suspect that he was smoking and asked him many times if that was the case. He lied directly to my face and I believed him for a while until I stopped asking and just told him I knew he was smoking. Turns out he had never actually quit and had lied to me because he didn't want to disappoint me. I told him that lying to me disappointed me far more than the actual smoking. I told him I know how hard it is to quit and I could be understanding about that but not about the lying. Regardless of my feelings, he continues to lie about things here and there, maybe even things I don't realize, in an effort to avoid disappointing me. He lied to me about smoking pot for a while, too.
DRUGS: He smokes pot about once every week or two...more if we are in a lot of conflict. I believe he uses it to deal with the symptoms of the ADD, which get worse if he is unhappy with something in his life. He has told me before that it's the only time his mind isn't spinning with a million different thoughts at one time. I will admit that it also puts him in a good mood, which is sometimes a welcome change when we have been fighting or he has been depressed. Overall, though, I don't want him smoking pot because it's bad for his health and I don't want our daughter to think it's ok to do drugs.
DISAPPOINTMENT: I realized recently that before any holiday or special occasion, I prepare myself to be disappointed. This makes me very sad. My very first Mother's Day this year was a classic example. Prior to the day I had mentioned that it was coming up and that I was excited that it was my very first. He and I have discussed the types of things we like the other to do for us to make us feel special. He knows that I would really like him to put thought into his gifts to me, such as cooking me a meal, a cake on my birthday, a bubble bath or even a nice note with his thoughts. When we were dating, he would do those things all of the time. There were scavenger hunts, long letters explaining his feelings for me, etc. So, I know he is capable. The week before Mother's Day, I started wondering what he might do for me and I prepared myself for disappointment (based on most holidays since we've been married). That morning, he slept in, while I got up with the baby. He came downstairs and hastily wrote one sentence in a card and gave me the card with some flowers. Maybe I am ungrateful, but I was disappointed. I've come to realize that I am not with a man who plans ahead. Will I ever be able to accept that and be happy with what he does do?
The disappointment goes both ways. He says that his way of receiving love is when I take care of things for him (like his mom does for his dad). He wants me to "mother him" - make his doctor's appointments, get him up in the morning, pick up after him, take over selling the (unsellable) large-lot purchases of building materials he made on a whim, send birthday cards to his family, etc. I'm okay with helping out but he is a grown man! Can't he get himself out of bed in the morning? He is disappointed with me quite often because I will not take over the management of his life for him. And it's not just the management of it...he wants me to do it in a specific way a lot of times or else he gets upset. I know that people with ADD often have trouble doing certain things that non-ADDers may not. How do I know what he is capable of doing for himself but just doesn't want to and what he really could use some assistance with??
SEX - We have not had sex since our daughter was born 5 months ago. We already had sexual issues before I got pregnant. I felt like it wasn't me in particular he was attracted to but rather, when he wanted to have sex, I was the designated object for him to have sex with. It seemed to be all about his pleasure, not mine. I have told him multiple times what I wanted and needed. I tried to be extra generous to him in hopes that he would reciprocate with me. I created romantic situations, hoping it would help, but it didn't. He made promises to do certain things for me but didn't. His idea of initiating was to turn to me and casually say, "Wanna have sex?". No romance, very little foreplay and my pleasure was completely my responsibility. Sometimes it would be physically painful but that didn't seem to matter either. No amount of discussion changed anything. During pregnancy, I just decided to initiate when I wanted it because my desire was so strong due to the hormones. Since having my baby, I have NO desire to have sex with him. I can't even say that I want our sex life back because I was unhappy with how it was before. Why would I want to have it back?
ANGER - He is significantly larger than me (a foot taller and over 100 pounds heavier) and his anger is scary to me. I've told him this on multiple occasions but he dismisses it (and me). He will never be able to understand what it is like to be smaller and more vulnerable than someone else (very few people are bigger than him). He has never taken out his anger on my physically but I feel like he is really out of control when he is angry. Maybe that's just my interpretation because it makes me so anxious. He says I haven't really seen him angry and that I'm too sensitive. If that's the case, I hope I never see him "really angry". I never know what kind of mood he will be in when he gets home, and often find myself going to great lengths to avoid provoking a rage. He will also get annoyed with our infant if she cries and will scold her verbally. I HATE that!! She is a baby and has no other way to communicate other than crying. He says she shouldn't be crying - "there's no need for that". He feels she should be able to wait to get her needs satisfied, so that he can finish whatever he was doing, such as watching t.v., reading the paper, or sleeping. It breaks my heart every time he does this. He has told me that he feels like she has ruined everything because he/we can't do all of the things he/we used to do.
DEPRESSION - I feel like he uses depression as an attention-getting mechanism. I don't think this is a conscious thing. I think it is his psyche's way of getting his needs met. He has always been really moody but i haven't seen it as intense as since our daughter was born. He has talked about wanting to kill himself a couple of times. Then, when I dote on him and worry about him, his mood improves and everything is fine. He has talked about going to the hospital because he is so down but then when he feels better he refuses meds or counseling.
HOUSEHOLD - Since I stay at home with our daughter, I don't mind doing the household work such as cleaning and laundry. However, I have SO MUCH resentment about the fact that he usually makes my job harder instead of easier. He leaves his clothes on floor. When I cook dinner, I do the dishes and when HE cooks dinner, I do the dishes. Even when my mom was here from out of town and cooked us dinner, she did the dishes while I put the baby down and he sat on the couch watching t.v., without so much as an offer to help. He leaves things all over like change (we have a change jar), rubber bands/plastic bags from newspapers, newspapers on the floor, shoes all over, his travel coffee mug on the counter (every day!), etc. Once in a while he will help me tremendously around the house by doing things like cleaning the shower, the bathroom, vacuuming the floors, throwing in a load of laundry or doing the dishes. I truly appreciate when he does this. But, really it's the day to day picking up after him that drives me insane. If I don't do it then I'm the one who has to live with the mess all day and he will come home sometimes and say he just wants the house to be clean when he comes home.
RISK-TAKING - I don't know if this is ADD related or just the family which he grew up in. He is the biggest risk-taker I have ever met. His whole family is the same way (except his mom). Whenever we are all together, they inevitably start talking about all of the injuries they have each incurred due to reckless behaviors. They talk about it like it is a badge of honor and something to be proud of. I almost think that he can't wait until our daughter starts racking up injuries so he can "brag" about them to his family. These are not small injuries, either. He broke his back while on an ATV, going off of a huge ledge on purpose at full speed to see if he could do it. He had to be airlifted to a hospital and is lucky he is not paralyzed. He's been badly burned on his legs, broken several bones and been in a car accident where he flew through the glass of the car's back windshield and flew over 30 feet. Again, he's lucky he survived. He's been in numerous fender-benders where he has bumped into the car in front of him (no injuries). I won't even begin to talk about the injuries his siblings and dad have wracked up. Most of the time, though, the injuries are due to reckless, irresponsible behaviors and they all think it is hilarious. I'm TERRIFIED to have my daughter grow up in an environment where such dangerous choices are seen as brave and encouraged! Whenever I try to talk to him about safety, he scoffs and tells me I'm overprotective and that I overreact. When our daughter was a newborn, I didn't want my husband falling asleep on the couch with her on his chest because she could easily roll off onto our hardwood floors. I don't like it when he holds her high over his head (thus about 8 or 9 feet above the ground) with only ONE hand. He wanted to start feeding her solid foods when she was only a few weeks old, regardless of what the recommendations say. I realize I may be a bit on the overprotective side but I am also reacting to his complete lack of concern over safety issues. I fear that it will only get worse as she learns to walk and tries to climb our steep, hardwood stairs, and is playing outside, etc. He lacks the ability to empathize with others (he readily admits this), and rarely experiences physical pain when injured. He drives fast and impulsively - worse when angry. Any mention of safety is a "challenge" to him to do the opposite. He criticizes and makes fun of my suggestions related to following expert advice about a safe home, product or activity.
FAMILY - We live near my husband's family, all of whom (3 siblings and his Dad) have ADD, except his mom. Because of this, my husband gets affirmation for all of his ADD behavior. His mom enables their behaviors because she likes to feel needed. As long as they need her to cook for them, clean up after them, wake them up in the morning, she feels loved. She, herself is extremely passive/aggressive and will say one thing but expects people to react to the underlying, unspoken message. It is crazy-making. I HATE letting them baby-sit our daughter because I know they have the same risk-taking tolerance as my husband. Years ago, my husband's mom owned a daycare at their home. On one occasion, a child got into the street and was hit by a car. Another child was on the swing set and got one of the swing ropes wrapped around her neck and almost strangled herself. Neither child was seriously injured, but my husband's mom talks about it like it was no big deal. More recently, their other granddaughter was just starting to walk and they would leave the door to the basement stairs wide open (the door is in their living room). They let this same granddaughter eat gummy candy when she was first learning to eat solid foods and her mom had specifically told them what they could feed her. They were watching this same granddaughter, who had no experience with stairs and didn't realize when she had climbed all the way up the stairs and was at the top looking terrified because she didn't know how to come down. There are so many boundary issues in that family that I know that whatever I tell them I want them to do or not do with my daughter, they will go ahead and do what they want when I am not there. My husband even agrees that this is probably the case. I have seen many instances when his father does exactly the opposite of what you tell him. My husband is the same way. I am unable to have any fun when they are watching her because I don't think they are responsible, but my husband does not want to pay for daycare when his parents are so close and willing. He says, "They raised 4 kids. They know what they are doing". I don't think that they do!
I think my husband's ADD symptoms are compounded by his upbringing. His father has never been quick with a compliment and instead has focused on his childrens weaknesses. My husband brought home a report card in high school with all A's and one B. His dad pointed to the B and said, "What happened here? How come you didn't get an A?". My husband and his brother were so afraid of their dad's anger that they would go to great lengths to cover up accidents or broken items. If something was broken like a glass or if something was spilled on accident, someone had to be to blame. There were no accidents. Punishments were severe, both physical and emotional. I believe his upbringing in a controlling, angry, passive/aggressive home has severely affected the way he sees and lives life. I cannot stand his family and he is completely entrenched with them emotionally. His mom will gossip about me and his brother's wife with other family members and his dad is inappropriate with his physical boundaries with me, such as tickling my feet, neck and sides when I've told him firmly over and over not to do so. My husband says he is willing to stand up to his family for me, which I greatly appreciate but have not taken him up on yet. Next time there is an issue with them, I plan to ask him to intervene and I know he will. I feel like I am Alice in ADD-land and I am the only one who sees things clearly! He is less motivated to change because he gets affirmation for his ADD-ness from the rest of his ADD family. I also wonder how much of all this is the ADD, and what might be other problems mixed in with that.
Well, if you've made it through my post this far, I thank you for reading all of that. It feels good to put my situation into words and I hope that there are things that stick out for you about what I have written and that you will comment on them. I could use some outside perspective!
WHERE I'M AT NOW:
I have so much ambivalence about our relationship. A lot of people have posted that they really love their spouse and want to make it work. I have very little motivation to make it work and my feelings of love seem to be hidden by all of the anger and resentment. My husband thinks of himself first in all situations, will not accept suggestions from others, is "always right", and intimidates people to get his way when he can't placate them with empty promises. I want a second chance at finding a loving relationship with someone who is able to manage his life and meet me half-way. Someone who wants to make me happy instead of focusing solely on his own happiness (or lack thereof). I want someone who can plan ahead a little. Someone who makes our family a priority. A man who is capable of being gentle and nurturing with his children. Someone who cares enough about himself that he is able to form genuine, connected relationships with others instead of always putting on a front and needing to feel like he is "better" than those around him. I don't want to spend the next 5, 10 or 20 years trying to make it work and then realizing that maybe instead of a 2 out of 10 on a scale of relationship happiness, we've managed to get up to a 4 and that's as far as it's going to go. I don't want my daughter to grow up around my husband's negativity, lying, anger and demeaning treatment of me. I'm still young (early 30's) and I am constantly having to give up on my dreams about the kind of marriage/partnership I want to have. I'm not so deluded to think there is such a thing as a perfect relationship that is always easy. But, being in relationship with my husband is SO far from easy and I'm not sure it will ever change.
The biggest factor that keeps me around is our daughter. I love my daughter more than I ever thought possible, but I wish we had never gotten pregnant. I want what is best for her but I don't know what that is. I don't want to have to share custody and I don't want to continue living in the state we are living (I hate it here. I feel so alone with my problems here. We moved here when we married, across the country from my home, with the understanding that it would not be permanent.) I'm afraid if we end things I will be legally bound to continue living near him and his family so that our daughter can split her time between houses and I know he would never agree to leave here. I don't want my daughter to grow up not knowing her father but I'm terrified at the thought of letting her spend days alone with him (or his family) due to his reckless behaviors and love of risk-taking. She is so young at this point that I feel like a divorce would be less harmful to her now than if she were older. Plus, I want to have more children at some point. I wonder if I am being selfish for wanting something different and not wanting to stick it out for even a few more years. Unfortunately, my husband and his father are both attorneys and I know I would be in the fight for my life if we decided to split.
Thanks for reading and for your thoughts!!
Is it my husband, or the ADD?
Submitted by Elaine on 07/23/2009.
good points
Submitted by baffled on
Elaine,
You bring up some good points that I have been wondering about as well on what is ADD and what is not. Hopefully, someone who has more knowledge of the traits will chime in and enlighten us.
You are very lucky that he is good in finances, this is not an ADD trait to be good in this area. My husband is very smart but absolutely clueless to finances or the ability to save. My questions will begin..
1) Why can't they save for anything? Everything has to be right now or it is the end of the world. What can we do to slow down the spending on what they believe to be dire need? I have tried budget and have moved money to savings only to have to take it out to pay down the credit card that he uses. I tried to take the credit card away, but he believes that treats him like a child and it is his money too so I really don't know what to do. I tried lowering the credit limit, but he will go over and that is more money. Any ideas?
Elaine, I find it disturbing that he thinks he makes the money so he can spend it. You should point out to him how much it would cost him to have a cleaning lady, a babysitter 24 hours, cook, personal assistant for him and see if HE can afford YOU. Just because you don't get a paycheck does not mean that you do not work. Heaven knows, you probably work harder than he does.
2) Lies, is this common for an ADD person to constantly lie? To be honest, he lies about really small stupid things all the time. Everyday and I know he is lying to people then he tells me that he doesn't lie to me and I look at him and say "yeah, right". He knows he lies, I know he lies and he knows that I know he lies. You can't call him on it or that would be an arguement for hours. It baffles me on why he does it many times for no reason. I have found that he has been hiding money from me (goes to the store and pulls more money out then hids it). I know why he is doing this because I watch everything and do get on him for spending recklessly, but that scares me that think he would do that. Any insight on how to deal with it?
Disappointment, yes I believe this is a trait of ADD. My birthdays and Mother's Day is usually spent at home while he is running to the mall to try to find something to buy for me. He will then buy something that I don't want so he can have something to give, then he comes into the house and hands me the store bag sometime in the afternoon. Yes, I do feel ungrateful, but there is no thought that goes into this and then he gets mad when I show disappointment. This past Mother's Day, I really wanted a well known eco friendly water bottle but did not want to spend that much money so I bought it for myself and told him that I bought my present he didn't seem to care. On MD, I brought it out of the cupboard and said here it is. To his credit, he did get me a cake from the grocery store. I was shocked at that but was actually happy that before thought went into the idea. See, he can do it but I do know that planning is not there specialty. I will add an odd story to Mother's Day. The Monday after, he came home with a Mother's Day card and asked me to mail it to his grandmother. I said MD was yesterday and it is too late, he said that it is the thought that count and I could throw some pictures of our daughter in there. Now this annoys me, he knows his grandmother's address by heart and I have to look it up in the address book. By the time he asked me to do it, he could have already done it. I refused to do it, the card sat on the kitchen counter for two days then I put it up in the office with the extra cards that I keep. He never asked about it again. This angers me greatly, why does he expect me to do it? Again, I work full time and take care of the house and our daughter, I really can not be his personal assistant, I am maxed out already.
3) Why can't they do anything for themselves? My husband was 38 when he married me for his first marriage (still married and yes, this should have been a clue). Did he sit in his paper messed, unorganized house and could not exist before me? How can he manage to live a life before me and can't do the simplest things when I am around? I know people are going to say, don't do it for him (I didn't but used to) but that usually sparks a huge argument and why do I have to live with that stress? My goodness, act like an adult and do things for yourself. On to my next question which is related..
4) Does anyone else's beloved ADD spouse try to get you to do things for him just to see how much he can get you to do? This is an example, I would come home from work and start cooking. Husband sits on the sofa and watches TV. For a good meal, it will take about 45 minutes from start to finish. We, many times, eat in front of the TV, (yes, please do not lecture me here, the TV is more company the each other at this point). In the beggining, I will plate up the meal and will have to bring it to him. Then I get my own, he starts to eat and is done first, he wants more but will not get up to get it. I will either go get more or will take my plate into the kitchen, at this point, he very sweetly says how good it was and wants more. At first, I would get it then I started to get wise. I started giving him little helpings and myself a more fuller helping. While we watched TV, I would notice in the corner of my eye that he is finished and eyeing my plate to see how much more I have to go. I eat slowly and he starts getting impatient. He tells me that it is good and wonders if I will be getting more. I say no, I am getting full and he will still not go up to get more because he knows that I will put my dirty plate in the dishwasher. I will now put the plate on the end table which really bothers me. This annoys me because now he has changed me for the worse. I really can't stand to have the dirty dish sit there but I am not going to be his servant. He gets so impatient that he can't even watch the show and then gets mad that he has to get more for himself. Now here is where I have become a terrible person. When he gets up, I ask him to take my plate in and rinse it and put it in the dishwasher. That really makes him mad. It is this weird thing that he has where he tries to get me to see how much he can get me to do, it is some control issue and I wonder if that is an ADD trait. He does this on purpose too. He will take a shirt off the hanger and walk out of the closet to place the hanger on my bathroom door. Again, I at first would put the hanger back and noticed it kept happening. I would then get so fed up, I would throw the hanger away after days of haning on the door. He will then ask why I threw it away and then claim that he did not do it on purpose. I find this really hard to believe, but maybe it is true. I don't like the person that I have become.
5) Why do they make more work for us? What can be done to get him to start helping or at the very least not make me do more work because of him. When he leaves for a trip for a week (rarely this happens, but it is a glorious vacation for me), I am amazed how I quickly I can get the house clean and what minimum work it takes to keep it clean all week. The minute he walks in the door, a tornado has struck. When I bring this up to him, he says that he picks up after me too. Really, where is the sense of reality? What rose colored glasses does he have on? How can we make him see reality? I have actually thought of video taping our daily life to show him he does very little. Everyday I pick up after him. I don't like to wear shoes in the house and this is a major battle ground and one that I will not give in on. It was a major struggle for him, I tried putting his shoes on a shoe rack in the garage, he said that they were too dirty in there, I then brough another shoe holder that I had in my closet downstairs and set his shoes up in the entry closet. He could not tell which shoes they were because they were point up. I took it out and placed his shoes neatly in a row in the closet. The closet is now too dark and he can't tell brown from black. Can anyone feel my aggravation? He then leaves his shoes in the entry when you first walk in so now everyone can see his shoes and you have to move them to get to the closet. I now, open the door and throw them in, I have also thrown them clear across the garage in anger. Back to picking up after him, he will take his socks off everyday in the living room and not take care of them, I have two hampers for clothes in the bedroom and yet the clothes are about three feet on the floor. I have a separate hamper just for towels and the towels will sometimes make it to the clothes hamper if they are not on the bathroom floor for me to pick up. On his three days off he constantly watches TV,( 6) is this another trait of constantly watching TV?) and he has to sleep on and off when he watches TV all day so he makes a "bed" on the sofa with pillows just right, the ottoman pushed up to the sofa for my room and two blankets. I come home from work at 5 and he gets up and never puts the pillows back into place, the ottoman back or folds the blankets. Why do I have to come home and do this..MORE WORK FOR ME!! If I tell him to do it, I am nagging. Now this happens on a daily basis but I will tell you a story of how creating more work for me about sent me to the crazy farm. We used to go on many trips together, he works for the airlines and we fly pretty cheap, this was fun in the beggining but now I like to do things around the house and unwind from the work week. When we would get home from a trip, usually on a Sunday, I would take the suitcases upstairs and put the dirty clothes in the hamper and put away the clean clothes for both of us. He will then plop down on the sofa while I am working. I will then start laundry to get ready for the week. After about 10 times, I am not liking coming home and doing all the work while he wants to relax. I then started to leave his clothes for him to put away, he gets upset at this and why I can't do his too. I would before put the suitcases in the closet, but started leaving that for him. They would be left out and I would have to put them in the hallway so he would have to do it, he would sometimes move it to the office instead of putting them away. I would then pretend that I am doing it when I would hear him come up the stairs and then make him do it. Now here the story gets unbelievable (maybe not to you guys but to the normal person). My husband went on a week trip for work. He was gone over Halloween (missed our daughter trick or treating, but hey, that is life, not upset over that at all), but I tell you Halloween to give you dates. He came back the Sunday after, I think it was 2 November. He, at my request, took his suitcase upstairs and laid it in the middle of the floor. Now after many times of unpacking and taking care of it, I am not only going to not do it, but not say one word about it. He ends up wearing the clothes, day by day (that is how he unpacks it) and now it is sitting in the middle of the floor empty. We, literally, have to walk around it and he especially does to get to his dresser to get his clothes to wear everyday. I can't stand the sight of this but I am not giving in and completely resist the urge to say something to him. It sits there until 19 December when my mother is coming for Christmas. I am cleaning the house and finally put the d** thing away for him. This happens in the morning and he is not there. Here is the thing, we have an older house with a pull down attic with rickety stairs that you have to manuver a big suitcase up and the attic door has insulation on it that falls down on the hallway floor. I put the suitcase up and vacuum the hallway. My husband comes home and I am running around cleaning. I go back upstairs and the same suitcase is down from the attic sitting on the hallway floor. It is just sitting there and there is insulation on the floor again. Now, luckily that babysitter took my daughter out of the house to help me out that day so I can get ready for my mom's visit and it was a good thing because I was about ready to explode. I am not sure if it is possible, but I swear my blood pressure rose 100 points in that minute, steam is coming from my ears and I absolutely lost it. I ran downstairs to where he was, of couse, watching TV, and screamed so loud, I thought the neighbors would call the police. I hate it that I completely lost control and I am sure he could not even understand my words, I was so angry I was probably not able to be understood. I was cusing him and calling him every name in the book. I don't like being out of control and completely insane, but that was it, the gloves were off and we were street fighting. I about pushed him up the stairs screaming and if divorce papers were in front of me that second, I could not have gotten a pen fast enough to sign them. Why did he bring the suitcase down that sat in the bedroom from 2 November through 19 December? I PUT IT AWAY AND DID NOT TAKE HIS GUM AND COFFEE (HOTEL CRAPPY COFFEE THAT HE NEVER USES) OUT OF THE FRONT POCKET BEFORE I PUT IT IN THE ATTIC. He blames me that you can't have food in the suitcase before you put it away and says that I should have taken it out before placing it in the attic. Again, I lost it. How did he even know the stuff was still there and why the he** did he not do it weeks and weeks ago? I almost threw the suitcase away, but jerk the attic stairs down and heave it with all my anger into the attic. I then get the vacuum out and vacuum again all in extreme anger, I think I was lucky not to have a stroke at that point. I have to leave for the airport in two hours and am still trying to get things done. I go downstairs and he has placed the coffee and gum on my just cleaned kitchen counter (those, of course, was thrown away instantly). Now that my friends is creating more work for me. Someone please tell me what I could do to avoid this in the future. I am sick and tired of doing it for him and sick and tired of being the nag. I have to "nag" him to mow the lawn before the city comes in and does it and puts a lien on the house (I am really stretching here, this I know, it is only 6 inches high, they don't come in until it gets to 12..HA)
My husband is not a risk taker, so I am not sure if that is ADD or dumb.
I am not use to this disorder so I am not sure what is ADD and what is not.
I do know that his always 15 minutes of being late, not finishing projects is, of course, the ADD, I stil don't know how to deal with the projects without going mad but I know that is ADD.
7) Why can't they take the blame for anything? It is obviously his fault and yet he can't say, oops, I made a mistake, my fault. He will try to blame someone else, ususally me. Why does this happen. At first, I thought it was the male ego so when I made a mistake I would point it out to him. I thought this would show him that everyone makes mistakes, it doesn't make me a lesser person and I own up to it. But that didn't work, so when he would make a mistake, I would say, how did that happen, hoping he would step up to the plate, no that didn't work either. Then I started gently pointing out his mistakes. Again, this is not like me at all, but I can't take it anymore. Now, when he makes a mistake I point it out forcefully. YES, I know this is the exact opposite of what I am supposed to do and I know this does not accomplish anything but hurt and puts us farther apart but I am human and really can't take it anymore. We should be a team against the world and I feel we are each other's worse enemies.
Is anyone still reading this?
8) What can I do to control the temper of his? I never had a temper until I lived with him and now I have one too. I hate this about me now too. After writing this, I feel that I need counseling too. I could give you examples of his temper over little things, but this is too long already and we all can write a million of them.
9) He wants to control information and wants me to come to him to ask him questions. Is this ADD or just a control freak. Case in point, we will go out with our best friends to dinner usually once a week. If I call them and decide the plans, I immediatly tell my husband where and when and what time we have to leave. If he does the planning with him (this is rare, but he does do it), he will get off the phone with them and I am in the same room, he will walk away. I then have to chase him and ask him questions. Where are we going, (I need to know for dressing) he then tells me and walks away, I again go running after him, what time are we meeting, he tells me and walks away. This so aggravates me, I know he does this on purpose and this is just one example. He went to see a doctor for ADD last Thursday and does not metion how it goes. I say did everything go OK, I guess he says. Did you just fill out paperwork or did you talk? We talked. Nothing. Now I know there is a patient/doctor priviledge here and I don't want him to feel he has to tell me what he talks about with the doctor, I am fine with that, but...my questions continue...did you like him, yeah he seems OK. Do you think you got something started? Yeah, he just asked me a lot of questions. Oh, OK, well are you going to see him again? Yes, next Thursday. That was it. He was in control for a while as I pulled info out of him.
10) My next question. Since I told him that I suspect he has ADD and made a doctor appointment for him (time was about 5 days) he started being on time and helped (a little) around the house and became much nicer because he wants me to think he does not have ADD. He even showed up 10 minutes early to the doctor's appointment. He has to show the doctor that he does not have it. Now, do I remind him of his appointment like I always do or not say anything and see if he goes? Any input here. How can he pull it together for a short time to try to show me that I am wrong then go right back to old ways so quickly?
THANK YOU everyone who reads this. Even if no one reads it, I feel so much better writing it out. Since I have been posting on this sight, I have actually been a little better to my spouse. It really helps in that area, but I fear I can not continue to the extent of today (I hear a sigh of relief from all of you). Even though this is my therapy and it really was great. I have so been obsessed with this sight not wanting to miss one of your comments that I really have not been attending to my business. I must now go make some money and I will try to see your comments this weekend on my time (very little of it, but I love this website).
Yep, I read all of it! Sounds
Submitted by Clarity on
Yep, I read all of it! Sounds real familiar to me as I've been at it for almost 30 years... When I was younger I had the energy to do everything I could to keep the peace because any arguments would just create confusion, frustration and end up being an absolute waste of time. It's not a suitcase but, it could be anything. He provokes a problem and then wants to know why I'm causing trouble by reacting...
It is interesting to me how ADD affects people in common and varied ways. My husband acts hyper focused about being on time where ever he goes and he knows how to maintain with others. Lies like a dog though, says it's just talk... very good at light social banter. I can't seem to enjoy that without having a sense of order in my life.
What kind of existence is this living in the moment? There's no future in the moment, there's nothing to look forward to. No dreams, no goals, no growth. It's all about extremes and contradictions for his benefit. Even though he has been diagnosed and medicated his family told him that I am the problem. Now he's justified and convinced that I had problems long before he met me. Hello, he's taking Concerta along with an antidepressant. He's spent every penny we've ever made and put is in loads of debt and there is something wrong with me because I'm unhappy. His excuse for not being involved is that I don't inspire him, though, he's got nothing to do with my happiness... is this not a double standard? It boggles the mind!
Over time, I've trained myself to prioritize and be as efficient as possible. It's down to dinner, dishes and laundry. I pick up as I go and dust, sweep or vacuum when I can. I've exhausted all my efforts and my expectations are very low. I don't have time to garden and I gave up shopping years ago. It's about keeping my head above water and finding ways to cope. He's busy with a steady sales job (thankfully, but we have always lived paycheck to paycheck) Of course his job is much more difficult and stressful than mine so, he's already done his part. He's got his TV, his computer, and his beer. And when it comes time for vacation, he takes it because he deserves it. I'm just glad he's gone for a while.
I'm sad and and he's annoyed with that. He's expecting a little more entertainment value but I'm all tapped out. I've avoided social situations with him for years, it's too much of a head trip watching him turn into Mr. Personality after I've been around Mr. Irritability. Now, everyone sees he's having fun, he's nice, personable and easy going but, I'm exhausted and wondering who the heck is this guy? What kind of reality is this?
It's late and I'm so tired, feels like I'm rambling on and on and I can see that I'm not alone... Maybe I'm not even making sense, I'm thinking I need help more than he does now...
I've been reading this forum
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Submitted by marny on
I am new to this site as well and I have read so many different posting and responses. You have thoroughly outlined some very serious issues and concerns. You have also received some very good advice that you need to take to heart.
As I have read throughout this site, other sites, books and listened to audio cd's I have come to the conclusion that my husband is a work in progress and it gets down to if the NON ADHD spouses are willing to work through all the areas constructively and patiently. I think that is possible based on the longevity of so many of the relationships that I have read about. Obviously there has to be an outlet somewhere that our voices can be heard though. In your particular case, I can relate to so much of it but there is also evidence of something else in the mix. A key sympton of ADHD is being paranoid/insecure and therefore a lack of self esteem. I don't hear that in your description about your husband.
This is my second marriage. I was married to my first husband for 12 years and almost immediately signs of "something" not being right started rearing its ugly head. After many episodes, drama, life threatening events, two children and ultimately divorce - he was diagnosed as Bipolar/Manic Depressive. I am in no way suggesting that is the case with your husband but I chose to remove myself and my children for our own sake. Although all of these things are considered to be an "illness" and/or a "disease", ultimately it is not healthy for anyone if we attempt to doctor it ourselves. My daughter was barely a year and I decided that I needed to show her that she could be independent and there are healthy relationships. For my son who was 3 at the time, I wanted to break the cycle for him. I cannot stress enough that I was naive in a lot of areas and specifically relating to the divorce and not having an affect on the children. It has a huge impact on them regardless of their age. They may not understand at that given moment but they will and it is still a loss for them. I am only pointing this out to emphasize that everything has a consequence.
I remained single for 8 years and was determined that I would never re-marry someone that couldn't meet all my needs and be on the same spiritual path that I was on. I didn't want to take care of another child. Even after my divorce - ultimately I was still taking care of my exhusband. This was a statement that I made when I was dating my current husband. We have been married less then a year. I knew going into the relationship that he was ADHD and had a compulsive disorder. Like you, no other man had ever made me feel the way he did and can still do. He was taking meds and new the "guidelines" to stay within regarding the ADHD. I also have MANY other family members and friends that have the same diagnosis so why would it be that big of a deal. I am just now getting an education on the whole package though. In the last two years he has become self-employed and surprisingly with everything that is stacked against him (including the economy) the business has not gone under and continues to grow. Unfortunately I have assumed the role of Accountant, Adminstrative, Consultant, Cook, Maid, Taxi Cab, Delivery truck, and you name it... We have 5 children combined ranging from the ages of 7-14. I also work fulltime outside of the home. We are broke needless to say. Because he is self-employed and it is too expensive to add him to my health insurance he has gone without. Therefore he has been taking a generic form of his meds. Guess what? It is not effective and every symptom of ADHD is now magnified.
I am blessed that he recognizes, owns up to the issues but my anger and my frustration is at a level that I thought was of no-return. All of my old self defense mechanisms have come back and something finally clicked yesterday that I was going to have to work on myself. Divorce is not an option that I am willing to explore again. I need to find the right tools for myself, he needs to find the right ones for himself. We both have a strong faith and come from the same background and have all intentions of heading in the same direction. It just happens to be stacked against us though. I guess I am trying to point out that in your post and so many others that I have read - the ADHD person seems to be in denial. The one thing that I keep preaching is that this is common, it ranks right behind depression, people are successful and instead of working against it - make it work for you.
Trust me - sometimes I think I will lose my mind and I am just absolutely bewildered by the amount of time small little details will take him. I will come in from work and I expect that he has accomplished certain job related functions only to find out that he just hasn't gotten to it yet. He can't tell me why or where his time went but I can guarantee you that by the next day I will find the evidence. My bathroom towels were stacked in color order from dark to light colors this morning. (this is the compulsive part) My tupperware cabinet has NEVER been so organized. All of my pampered chef gadgets now have a home of thier own. Things typically get rearranged because it just didn't work for him. This applies in all areas of our home but I am the one that cooks. So for the most part, he does his fair share but overall he is irritable, depressed, no time mangement, dissappoints me on the holidays and the things that I specifically tell him matters the most, I can't finish a sentence without him interrupting me to make a joke, financially out of control, and occasional melt-downs. A person with ADHD needs consistent routines and structure. When you are self employed that is almost next to impossible. Sometimes I want him to go find another job but I also know that he wouldn't be able to keep it.
Although I have already mentioned that my husband owns up to his ADHD, he has still been very clueless on the effect it has on our entire family. It hasn't been until I pointed out his daughter's behavior and he made the simple statement that "she is just like me" and it dawned him that she is the perfect example of a child with ADHD. Her mother (his ex) won't hear of it or consent to seeking help for her. In here lies our biggest challenge in our marriage, along with my anger and frustration. Although this realization of his daughter has now become a driving force for him to get his life in order so that he can help her.
Elaine - do plan every detail and make sure that you surround yourself with your own family and then equip yourself with professional help. Seek counseling for yourself and gain tools and knowledge for both you and your daughter. You are human and you will second guess all of your decisions multiple times and most likely out of sheer exhaustion give into what is the easiest.
Blessings,
Marny
Thanks Marny
Submitted by Elaine on
Marny,
I appreciate your story and your thoughtful response. Most days I am focused on just finding a way to get out of this situation. You have helped me to see that, as you say, "everything has a consequence". I just want to do what is best and not be left looking back on my life feeling like I chose the wrong path. I suppose it isn't helpful to think of the "what-if's".
I have 2 thoughts after reading your post:
1. I want what is best for my 5 month-old daughter and I'm really not sure what that is. If things continue the way they are, she is going to grow up in a home full of chaos, scary angry outbursts, unhealthy communication and a poor example of how a man should treat a woman (and probably how a woman should treat a man since I'm so fed up already!).
2. I've been thinking a lot about the type of person it takes to be in a relationship like this. It is a life-time commitment to work REALLY hard to keep peace, organization and open lines of communication. I bring my own baggage into our relationship and I don't think I have the nurturing, sacrificial personality needed to continue to support this man...even if he fully owns up to his diagnosis and works very hard to make changes. Even at it's best, it sounds like these relationships require CONTINUAL maintenance for everyday tasks and relating. In all likelihood, my daughter will have ADHD as well. I would like to have more children but I'm pretty sure I will go crazy if I have a husband, daughter and then more children with ADHD.
I have searched this site for hope and for positive stories. Maybe this isn't the place to find that. Melissa's situation seems to be the exception and FAR from the rule. I could use some hope right now, as I am becoming more and more depressed by the day. My daughter is a huge handful and I'm doing my best to take care of her, figure things out with my husband and keep my head afloat. I am wracked with guilt everyday for so many things because I put so much pressure on myself to be the best mom possible. I'm trying to find a therapist, locally, who has experience with Adult ADD but have yet to find one. They all seem to list ADD as an area they will treat, but I'm a therapist myself and would probably have listed ADD on my qualifications had I not known what I know now about how much is involved in this diagnosis.
Thanks again for sharing your story, as it was extremely helpful to me.
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Submitted by MelissaOrlov on
You are both getting into some power games here, and a good counselor might be able to help you before you escalate further. Your example of the food plating is a perfect example. Rather than play a game around who gets up when, just say something like "I prefer to have you choose and plate your own second serving." If he comes back with "but you are going there anyway" you can say "yes, I am, but I still prefer that you get your own second serving." If he STILL pushes you, you can say "when we were dating and I felt you were doing more around the house and I didn't mind serving you. But now that you don't seem to help out as much I resent your request that I serve you in this way, as well. So, rather than let that resentment grow I am choosing not to serve you." Look, if that's the issue, you may as well address it.
The suitcase is another example of a power game - and you are both participating in it.
It clearly doesn't feel good to you to let the suitcase sit there for 4 months - in fact it serves to reinforce your anger every single day that you see it. So what good does it do you to leave it there? I understand that boundaries need to be set, but this needs to happen within a constructive conversation between the two of you. Expecting him to "just notice it" or decide it needs to be put away if he hasn't done so for several months is completely unrealistic on your part - you're setting yourself (and him) up for failure and bad feelings. Furthermore, once the game playing about control starts (which it clearly has in your household) he will leave it there just to spite you (and then bring it back down out of the attic for the same reason).
Since you think that ADD is affecting your life, I believe you have the right to ask your spouse whether or not his doctor has diagnosed ADD (he might not know until the second appointment, and in a power-play way, may wish to string you out a bit...but it's also possible that he feels great shame around the idea and has trouble dealing with it, too).
All of these things lead me to suggest that you and he seek counseling together from a marriage specialist who understands ADD (DON'T use someone who doesn't have sympathy for, and understanding of, ADD issues - you'll both suffer).
Do not remind your husband of his appointments, but DO respond positively to the overtures that he is making (helping out around the house, for example). Make sure to be positive about his assistance, say "thank you", etc. This probably sounds hard to do right now but it is, nonetheless, well worth your while if you wish to have him continue his therapy and continue to work on doing better. In addition, it will make your household environment better so that if you wish to talk constructively about some of the power play stuff he will be more able to do so without getting defensive.
Yes, I read it all, too.
Submitted by newfdogswife on
Yes, I read it all, too. Sounds just like my husband, also. Married for almost 28 years, how I don't know???? I guess because I've always been a very patient and very tolerable person. My husband was just diagnosed about 2 years ago, at age 50, which then gave us some answers as to why he has acted the way he has for most of his life. It has been eye-opening. He is on medication and sees a counselor from time to time, but progress is slow. Unfortunately, because he has been like this for a long time, I'm not sure he will ever make great gains. He just doesn't seem to have the motivation to do what needs to be done to change his way of living. Only he can do this!!!!!
Elaine,
Submitted by lily4870 on
Look up Sam Vaknin on the internet. He has a site about narcissists and your hubby sounds like he might be one (as well as having ADHD).
If it is an option for you to leave and by that I mean out of the city to where your family is, etc., I think you should seriously consider it. My ex is a narcissist and I finally left when our daughter was 18 months old. A lot of your husband's traits you have mentioned do NOT (to me) seem to be related to ADHD but rather that he is a selfish controlling bully. I was indecicive about leaving my ex too, wanted my daughter to have a rlsp with her dad. It was MUCH easier on our daughter that I left when she was young as she doesn't remember her dad and I being married. The mistake I made was not leaving the city and going to where my family lived and where I was from. My ex told me everything was my fault (99.9%) refused to go to counselling and told me if I went it would help our rlsp b/c everything was my fault.
I went and by the 2nd visit the psychologist told me that I should plan to leave, if not for myself, then for my daughter. It is proven that daughters will grow up and SEEK out men who treat them like their dad treated their mom!!! The more your daughter is exposed to seeing how he treats you like crap, the greater the chance she will end up with someone like that.
YOu need to somehow get a hold of all the financial info you can. I settled for a crappy deal b/c I was so desperate for my ex to leave and I also had NO CLUE as to how much money he had as he was always complaining about. 5 years later I discovered he had A LOT more money than he declared then and went on to make a huge amount of money (which affects what he pays in child support). He hid that from me for all these years paying only 1/10th of what he should have and we are now engaged in a legal battle which goes to trial in August. So, before you leave, get whatever info you can about that.
I wish I could give you a more hopeful answer but I just don't think what you are dealing with is ADHD- or I mean only ADHD.
My ex also has anger problems and grew up in a home where his dad was very critical and also had anger issues. I also dated my ex for a couple of years in my 20's, broke up with him b/c I couldn't stand his lecturing and then when we got back together he claimed he had changed and had worked on his anger issues. We didn't live in the same city, it was always long distance, and he wanted to get married quickly after getting back together. Things fell apart very shortly after we married (I should have waited, lived with him or at least been in the same town- he wouldn't have been able to keep the act up for too long.)
You are NOT being selfish by leaving, in fact, it may be the greatest gift you ever give your daughter. It is not easy to leave and you may make the choice to stay near your daughter's dad although my advice would be to move back to your family regardless of what your ex threatens you with. Please understand that usually if you decide to stay in the area you live now so your husband can have easy access to your daughter, it will make it VERY difficult for you to leave later- the courts will want you to stay b/c that is what you chose to do at the beginning and that is what the pattern is. If you go back to where your family is, there is no court (I don't think) that won't support that decision based on the fact that you are emotionally distraught (must be from living with a man like that) and the support you could have from your family and friends is invaluble.
You are going to need to be ready for a fight if you do decide to leave. I really feel your ex has narcissist characteristics and a big issue for them is control and usually by fear and threatening. I just saw that your husband and his father are both attorneys- egads! There are usually places that will give you free legal advice to start- do NOT let your husband know you are looking into this- have a plan BEFORE you say a thing and have everything worked out in terms of what you are going to do and how you are going to do it. Find out who the best family law lawyer is and go for a consultation. Most lawyers know that with a child as young as your daughter, they need to stay with one main person and that is in most cases the mom. Your situation sounds a lot like mine- my ex is a professional, earns great money now, other people on the outside looking in, had no clue as to what my life was like and what I was going through.
Best for my daughter
Submitted by Elaine on
Hi Lily,
I am crying as I read your post. It is just what I needed to hear. The fact that you understand and are encouraging me to do what is best for myself and my daughter, is overwhelming because I'm not used to having my feelings heard or responded to. Thank you for the concrete ideas about getting prepared before I say anything, too. I just can't stand the thought of my daughter learning about romantic relationships by watching the way my husband treats me. I would rather she have NO role model! I haven't made up my mind completely but am starting to gain some clarity thanks to the wonderful people on this site. I know my post was incredibly long so I thank you for reading it. I just wanted to lay out the whole story because each piece feels important to me. Thanks again for your thoughtful advice!
Heather
Sound advice. My heart goes
Submitted by Clarity on
Sound advice. My heart goes out to you, best of luck to you and your daughter...
ADHD and Marriage
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Go with your gut Worried
Submitted by Steph on
My first reaction is to run.
Then RUN! RUN like crazy!
Worried
Submitted by Elaine on
If your ex has ADD then you must know about how difficult it can be to live with someone who struggles with this diagnosis. I'm not saying that it can't be done or that realtionships cannot be successful when one or both people have ADD. It just takes A LOT of work, committment and patience!! Sounds like you are already having some rather significant doubts about joining your and your daughter's life with this man and his daughter. My advice would be to have open conversation with him about your concerns and see if he is willing to work on it. I would also suggest taking a lot of time to figure out if things will work before committing to another marriage. Wish you the best!
Wife's attention taken
Submitted by MelissaOrlov on
If I had to guess, I would say that regardless of ADHD or not, one of your largest underlying issues is that your husband is unhappy that your daughter now gets your attention instead of him. The baby "has ruined everything" because he's no longer #1. This is a much bigger problem than I think you may realize from what's in your post. He may not be responding in what you would consider an adult way (essentially he is moping and misbehaving much like a teenager might) but perhaps you can have some empathy for how left out he probably feels.
That said, your situation certainly seems complicated by the ADD, and also by his family history of how they deal with ADD (or not deal with it, as he case may be).
Your post was long - I'm going to bullet point some ideas for you to consider, perhaps with the help of your counselor:
As for divorce - that is something that you alone can decide. Your situation doesn't sound great, but it also sounds as if you haven't worked things out very thoroughly yet, either. The time immediately following the birth of a child is often hard...which doesn't invalidate your misery... The thing that is more concerning for me, actually, is your description of what you had before the marriage - a roller coaster of feelings, breaking up, almost an addiction to the fun stuff. This is not necessarily what a great marriage is based on. I suspect that your marriage counseling will give you a good feel for whether or not this person is capable of a deeper relationship with you, and one in which he is able to take your needs into account. If you don't see a lot of signs, then moving on may well make sense, given your age and current feelings. Others below had some ideas about divorce that you may wish to heed.
If you want more insight into this, a good book to read is "Too Bad to Stay, Too Good to Go" (or is it the reverse??!) which can help you clarify how you chould be thinking about your issues. I recommend it in your situation (it will also probably give you some good ideas about thing to talk about in counseling, too).
Anyway, if you're not hell-bent on leaving yet, take another look at your husband through the lens of a man who has been displaced by a baby and ask yourself "are there ways I can address this that might bring some of the fun and romance back into my marriage?" It may help.
Finally, in answer to your question "is it my husband or the ADD?" I would answer this - if he isn't willing to take control of his ADD and work with you to make your life smoother, then it doesn't matter.
Thank you!
Submitted by Elaine on
Thanks, Melissa, for your reply to my incredibly LONG post! Thank you especially for validating my feelings about not wanting my mother-in-law to watch my daughter. It raises my anxiety incredibly to leave her with my in-laws. I'm going to look into daycare so I will have an option if I need it.
Your feedback is invaluable and I appreciate your thoughtful response.
Slow to mature
Submitted by vcalkins on
One day when my 45 year old husband was arguing with our 15 year old son, I realized that they acted like two 15 year olds. Since then it seems like it takes my husband 3 calendar years to mature 1 year in age. Next year when he turns 60.....he'll be like a 20 year old. Guess that makes him an adult :)
I fell your pain
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Not much advice...
Submitted by dazedandconfused on
but I wanted to let you know that I feel 'ya! I'm brand new to this forum...there is a lot of good advice, and a lot of bad advice from what I have seen so far.
I am (to some extent) in the same boat as you: My husband treated me like I was his world when we were dating. It was so flattering to actually have the attention of a guy that I fell for it hook, line, and sinker. Our relationship was a whirlwind of dinners, weekends out, and gifts for no reason. Now, he can't even be bothered to buy me a Christmas present. He made an attempt, but in the end, he did not deliever. I was told that he had waited too long to order something off the internet, and that it would be there. It never showed. He said that one of his friends who was a jeweler was making me something special, but because she was backed up, it might be a little longer. I have never seen any jewelry. It was extremely hurtful to me and really began the downward spiral in our marriage. All I could think about was our first Christmas together when he bought me diamond earrings. But in his eyes, he thought that trying to arrange something for me counted for something.
I think its a similar situation with the "little white lies" or embellishments. I picked up on them vaguely before we were married, but they really started becoming more prevalent once we married. It bothered me then, and still bothers me now. But now I realize that the majority of these lies are distorted thinking.
For example: I was out of town this past week, and while I was gone I asked him to 1. keep the house in order 2. take care of the cats 3. mow the lawn. Well I talked to him during my trip and he said he mowed the lawn. Boy, was I excited! Then I can't locate him for awhile and when I finally get him on the phone, he tells me he was working on the lawn mower because it broke down, and that he was going to finish up. Well I get home, and the lawn isn't mowed. Before he was diagnosed with ADD, this would have infuriated me because he lied to me. Now I realize that in his head, the fact that he went out and started up the lawn mower with the intention of mowing the lawn constituted actually doing it. Nevertheless, its disappointing.
And in the end, it was a little while lie that got him fired. He couldn't get out of the bed in time to report for a extra shift, and when his supervisor called him, my husband told him that he was there. He was in the vicinity, he was on the way, but he wasn't there. Because he was making the effort, then he thought that it counted as him being there. Realizing this makes a difference in the blame game, but it doesn't relieve the disappointment.
Financially, I have no advice. I posted earlier because I can't seem to get my husband to turn over some accounts to me despite the fact that he has screwed them up pretty badly. I handle all of the other finances, but he won't let me help him with these. Its super frustrating because what he does financially, affects me too. Finances are always a major issue in marriage, even when a spouse is not ADD. I think its a little off that your husband keeps the finances some what secret from you. The fact that he keeps separate accounts...that makes me worry. The fact that you guys owe the IRS is scary too. What happens when they take your cars and your house for unpaid taxes? That definitely affects you!
As for risk taking...it sounds like your husband is being a stupid man. My husband is a bit of risk taker too...he likes the adrenaline rush. An adrenaline rush is a stimulant, and ADD folks like to be stimulated. Fortunately for me, my husband does use his head when he takes risks.
Now while I hope these comments might help you, to be honest, I'm not very sure if I would advocate you staying in this marriage. That is a huge thing for me to say. I don't believe in divorce, except for in some cases. Abuse is one of them. You mentioned that he has taken his anger out on you and that he yells at the baby. This is a huge red flag. If you scared of him because of the way he reacts (and because he's bigger than you), that should be a sign. I was seriously concerned when I read what you had written. Add that to the illegal pot smoking, and I think I would get out. He's not a good role model for your daughter, and he sounds like he's not helping you be one either. I know that it must be scary to think about divorce when he and his father are attorneys. But I think there is something more wrong with this situation than ADD, and I would be very cautious about remaining in the relationship, and bringing more children into it. While there is some amount of selfishness in an ADD person, your husband seems to much more self-involved. I agree with the other poster who said that your husband might be a narcissist. If it makes you feel better, then try to seek some counseling with him. He definitely would benefit...his family life was a model for a very screwed up upbringing. If he is ammenable, you guys might be able to sort somet things out. However, my pastor counseled me (in the midst of a very bad time between my husband and me) that if the husband doesn't try by going to counseling, then you've done all you can.
If you decide on divorce, I would definitely do what Lily suggested. That was some great advice. The proceedings will not be fun, but it might be the best thing in the long run. I wish you the best of luck, no matter what you decide.