Just joined the forum last week after reading posts from lauriejs and many others, and wishing I had found this place a long time ago. I've suspected my husband might have ADHD since last summer; suspicions increased when I found out his 13 y.o. daughter from his first marriage had been diagnosed with the same.
We've been together almost exactly 10 years (and married for 7.5 of them), and our divorce should be finalized sometime this month. My decision, not his - but he sure hasn't done much to make me regret the choice. He's been unemployed or underemployed for 5.5 years, which is almost the entire time we've been living together. When we met, we were both very successful, I thought, in our respective military careers. He was charming, intelligent, and always the life of the party - a classic ESFP, if you follow Myers-Briggs theory. I'm an INFJ, and I've always been attracted to people who are spontaneous, fun-loving, and ambitious. Anyway, military/school-related geographic separation kept us apart for the first couple years. As hard as I thought that time was, only getting to see him every 6 months or so, it was the best time of our marriage. We video-chatted on Skype constantly, he was so emotionally supportive, and we had no financial entanglements. Everything went to hell in 2008. I dropped out of my PhD program because of depression memory problems from what turned out to be untreated PTSD, and made plans to move to San Antonio to be with him. Then he failed out of an exclusive training program that was supposed to move his career in an exciting direction and take us to Japan. [I had already gotten our cat medically certified for the move, and had been learning Japanese in preparation - it was that "sure" of a thing.] Then he had to leave the Air Force entirely. I'm not going to say why the program-failing and eventual departure from the military happened, because I really don't know what to believe anymore. At the time, it was presented like a horrible vendetta some people had against him; now, I honestly think it may have been because he was kind of an unreliable screw-up. But I believed him then, and I wanted to support him. I worked through my own issues and got a decently-paying contract job, while trying to give him time to deal with his situation. Actually, he scored me the interview with someone he knew through work, which was very helpful - give credit where credit's due. Then he spent the next nearly 2 years mostly ignoring me, smoking out on our apartment balcony while reading blogs, or playing video games. And he spent lots of money. Tablets, phones, other random electronic toys. I spent lots of money too, on things for him that I hoped would make him happy and motivate him to reengage with life again. Like a new Jeep Wrangler, motorcycles.. an actual COMPANY that he said he wanted to work... I tried every method of support I could think of, but nothing worked to get him to a place where he was actually willing to work on getting functional.
Um, since this is my 1st post, I'm going to gloss over most of the details, but around that time we had a major argument that became the beginning of a repeated pattern: I lost my temper that he was doing so little, he agreed to do more, then slowly and inefficiently did exactly enough to shut me up for about a year, at which point I'd lose it again. Fast-forward to last August - we had moved into a house that he wanted, he was unemployed again, and we had just had a terrible summer visit from his daughter where he was just a worthless parent most of the time, and she had cried almost every day because of something he had said or done. And I asked for a separation, for us to figure out what we wanted from life, and to get counseling. To his credit, he quickly agreed to the counseling. Unfortunately, that was the only positive thing he did. I gave him $2,500 cash, and access to our debit account for EMERGENCIES only, until he could get a card from the new account he set up with our bank. By the time he got that card, he had taken another $1500 from that account - over only a 2 week period. He moved in with a manager from the part-time job he had at one point that he managed to get back. The guy's married with kids, but has 2 other renters in addition to my husband staying in his house - it's a weird situation, but he's only charging him like $200/month for rent. Nothing but broken promises and unrealistic dreams from him in the counseling sessions. I had a breakdown from, among other things, the stress of watching the marriage fall apart, and ended up taking a few months disability leave from my job.
There were a few "last straws," but for the most part, I just broke from the accumulated disappointments of 5 years, plus the growing realization that he had misrepresented himself to me the entire time I had known him. I still like him as a person, actually. He was never "mean" to me in any of the ways I've been seeing some people talk about - not a yeller, no physical abuse, no cheating. Possibly he knew that that sort of thing is an absolute deal-breaker for me. He always stayed right on the line of what behavior I was willing to tolerate. But without him making some efforts to change, I finally came to the conclusion that I can't fix the relationship by myself. For the record, I did tell him that I thought he might have ADHD, like his daughter, that it was okay if he did, and that I really wanted him to talk to a professional and see if there was anything we could do to work with these issues - but he never really followed up on any of that.
I filed a petition for divorce in early December. The 60-day waiting period required by Texas law is over in about a week, and then I can actually submit for the divorce decree. I thought my life was over for months, but I'm finally starting to feel okay about it. I feel like I wasted so much effort over the years trying to support him, and I got so little in return. Many of my family and friends have described him as a con artist or a charmer, and I think that's unfair. I know he loved me. I know he *wanted* to achieve the goals he said he had... he just wasn't willing or able to put in the sustained effort required to do any of it. I can't blame him for being the way he is... but I am sad that the loss of our marriage wasn't enough to make him push past his comfort zone and at least seek help. I still want to - as a friend - encourage him to look into ADHD treatment, because I think he'd make someone else down the road a fine husband if he could learn some methods to compensate for his weaknesses with his many natural strengths. But I can't go back to him. There's far too much damage, and I feel like he's so deep in a rut now that he may never be able to come out. I wonder, if I had done something much earlier in the relationship - given him an ultimatum (which I hate doing) or left after a year or two instead of 5, could it have made a difference? That's my main regret at this point.
- kaliko
I am deeply sorry for what
Submitted by Tflep on
I am deeply sorry for what you are going through at the moment, and let me say there is nothing you can do more for him. He has to want to do some thing about the situation. My wife and my self are going through a very hard time right now at the moment as well (i was a yeller), and i do have many regrets about the things that i did before i was able to seek the proper help.
Before i was diagnosed my mind was every where and anywhere very hard to stay on one subject, and trying to listen to my wife talk to me was hard. A lot of the time I would tune her out and go off into a day dream, or completely forget what she had said to me five minutes before. Those are not things that i wanted. I was one of those people that had a hard time with anger. I would yell and scream, and vent, and pout like a child. Until I got help for my self I never could have imagined how blurry my own mind was for me and how out of focus the world really had been.
Unfortunately the damage was done by the time I was able to get help. My wife is going into therapy in a couple of days and I do believe there is more to our problems then my own mental health, but if she wants out I will not stop her, I love her and would do anything to prove that I am not, going to over spend on stuff I don't need, or hyper focus into my computer or TV., or become angry at the drop of a hat, or forget something she just told me.
coming from someone who has ADHD, take care of your self and remember he has to fix himself, you cant do that for him. He has to take responsibility for his own actions. I wish you all the luck in the world and am so very sorry for what you have been threw. keep your head up and be good to you.
I'm sorry too...
Submitted by Kaliko on
... for your situation. I do really admire you for seeking help and making a commitment to try to change. I want to say that I used to have major rage problems when I was younger - until I was about 25, actually. I treated my boyfriends terribly - really, in retrospect, I have to say I was emotionally abusive at times. [I think I - and maybe many other women - are able to get away with this behavior because men are more willing to put up with this kind of brattiness if they're physically attracted to someone. Just a theory, but I wouldn't be surprised if that might not be part of why you see mostly female non-ADHD partners and male ADHD partners on this forum.] Anyway, I'd regret certain things when my head cleared, but it wasn't until I was with a man I thought I really wanted to spend my life with that it dawned on me that I was on the verge of ruining a really good thing. And I hauled myself to my doctor, then to a psychiatrist, and said, "Something is wrong with me; please help me fix this." And started the loooong process of finding the right meds cocktail [first Zoloft, later Wellbutrin and Effexor together] that made me... not awful. And I've been working really hard since then with a therapist to avoid backsliding and to generally keep trying to become a better person. So when I hear people say things like, "This is just who I am," or, "Western medication is just a crutch," or some other crap, I tend to call b.s. on those statements immediately, because I know for a fact it can be the difference between a life of misery and a life that's basically fulfilling.
The more I learn about ADHD, the more I do respect people like you, though, Tflep. I'm a naturally hyper-analytical person. All my jobs have involved finding patterns in historical data and/or projecting trends into the future. I always joke that I have no time for the present... which I think is why I'm attracted to people who can enjoy life in the now. It's always seemed like a beautiful gift that I can get pleasure from observing, even if it's hard for me to enjoy myself. Like watching a child experience playing in the snow for the first time, or something. But what I'm saying is that self-reflection and pattern identification come very naturally to me, so it was pretty easy for me to say, "I keep messing up in these ways. I should really stop that," and then make a plan to change in the future. And from what I understand, that is pretty much THE SINGLE most difficult thing for people with ADHD to do. It's a condition that hides itself from you by it's very nature. So, yeah, much respect for getting through the most difficult part. I know how hard it was for me to change, and I realize it was minor compared to what you had to accomplish, or what my husband, I hope, may someday accomplish. That's why I still want to support him as a friend if he'll let me. And it's why I want to support anyone in the same situation, if I can.
Thank you so much for taking the time to share your thoughts with me - it really means a lot to hear your opinion. And I hope that you continue to make progress... and that if things don't work out with your wife, that you find someone who's in the right place to give you the support you want, and who you can support in turn. See you around the forum. :)
- kaliko
Thank you Kaliko I'm not
Submitted by Tflep on
Thank you Kaliko
I'm not sure if my marriage is save able, though. I believe my wife was right several years ago when she said she believed she had a problem with borderline personality disorder. I'm not sure if many people know what that is, but it is one hellofa problem. her moods, and actions and even the things that she says fit like a puzzle piece when you look at the symptoms of bpd. she seems to be "splitting me black" which means in a nut shell all of the things she sees wrong with her are now being transferred onto me, and i can do no right.
As I have been getting better control of my own mind, I see her becoming more angry, and having over the top out bursts. The reason I bring up the fact i think she has that is because it will be a death note for our relationship. It can take therapists years to come to the same conclusion, and most people who have bpd start to blame, every problem they have on the person they "split" and start to magnify any and all other problems that were in the relationship.
So again thank you for the kind words in return, and thank you for your service in the military, Best of luck to you, and Sorry if my post here seems off topic but had to get it out somewhere.
:( Tflep...
Submitted by Kaliko on
One of my closest friends was with a BP for ~20 years, until he fought his way through to a divorce last year. I wouldn't have traded my ADHD husband for anyone like her, I can tell you that. Feel free to vent if you need to - I have a lot of sympathy for your situation, and it's clear you're putting in the effort. <hug>
INFJ married to ESFP.. with ADD
Submitted by ImFromMars on
Kaliko- Your story resonated with me as I have been on this struggle now for nearly 25 years. We have 5 children together so I've made the commitment to make it work. But it can be HELL some days... weeks... months. I long for that close relationship that I've never been able to have but I know it's impossible with her. So I continue living my life and trying to be the best husband/father I can be; I treat her with respect and love, but still go to sleep feeling empty. Thanks for sharing.
Hi, ImFromMars..
Submitted by Kaliko on
Having kids in this kind of situation vs being childless and *wanting* children... both are rough. We had said we wanted to have one child together, but he kept putting it off - and I'm not the type to trick someone into accidentally knocking me up, husband or not. Now I'm 36, nearly single, and taking medications that are known mutagenics but are necessary for me to function. So that's pretty much that. I keep trying to embrace the "childfree" attitude, but it hasn't really been working for me most of the time. I cry a lot. But it did make leaving much easier. Part of why I initiated our separation was seeing how dysfunctionally he interacted with his pre-teen daughter, and realizing I didn't want to have kids with him if he was going to be like that. [Also, TBH, I was a little worried about what the combination of his ADHD and my anxiety disorders could do if combined into a single child.] But I have several friends who have pretty awesome kids from unhappy previous or current marriages, and they seem to be a major source of joy in their lives.
I admire your efforts to be there for your family, but I hope you can find a solution eventually that doesn't take so much of a toll on your own emotional health. How old are your kids?
Update
Submitted by Kaliko on
My lawyer is taking her sweet time putting together the divorce decree. I'm trying to be chill about it, but we're way past the date she said she'd probably have it done by, and she's not giving me a new completion date. I hate not knowing when this is going to to be able to be finished. It's pissing me off.
Apart from that, things are great. Fantastic. Our finances and shared assets are almost entirely separated. Also, while looking for some unrelated paperwork, I found evidence of a retirement account of sorts he must have set up about 15 years ago and then totally forgot about. There's about $20K in it now, even though he hasn't contributed to it for many years. He actually offered to give it all to me. I considered it, but I'm actually much happier knowing that he has an emergency fund in case something semi-catastrophic happens. Instead, I'm decreasing my spousal support to him by about half. The difference will end up being about $2K, so it makes up for the extra money he took out of our debit account without asking me. The rest of the money... well, I feel like at the time, I gave it freely and without condition. It would be betraying the memory of the love I had for him to ask for it back now.
We're getting along really well in general. Chatting online a lot. I can actually enjoy his sense of humor and fun conversation without having to deal with the negative parts. Also, he skipped out on a party the other day to help me rescue a stray puppy. As my resentment evaporates, I can appreciate his many good characteristics more, and it's great. People ask me, "Does that mean you two might get back together?" and I'm like, "Heck no! I'm happy now that we're *not* together. I was miserable before. Why on earth would I want to go back to that when I'm finally in a good place?"
I don't know what's going to happen when/if I start openly dating again, though. I've never really tried to be *real* friends with an ex before. If our friendship does fall apart at that point, I'll be very sad - but I'm prepared to accept it. Even though I still do care for him, I can't put my life on hold for him anymore.
Fired my lawyer at the end of
Submitted by Kaliko on
Fired my lawyer at the end of last month and got a new one. Divorce will be finalized this afternoon. I'm feeling a little panicky and unsettled about it, but I know it's for the best.
He'll be starting training for his first full-time job in almost 6 years on Monday. It kills me, because if he had done this even a year ago I feel we'd be staying married. But he delayed taking action until he finally believed that we wouldn't be getting back together, and now it's too late. :/ It just reinforces my belief that this decision was a good thing, and that he wouldn't have regained his independence if he didn't have to do it in order to survive.
While going through a stack of old paperwork (looking for veterinary records), I found an old retirement account he had from his military service. He had totally forgotten about it - even after I told him about it, he couldn't remember setting it up. Well, even though he didn't put much into it, it's managed to accrue a balance of about $20K. He offered to give it to me, but I was just happy that he had an emergency fund after all. I did ask to cut back on the spousal support I was offering, so it worked out well for both of us. [That money would have really come in handy back when we were together and I was selling off personal possessions to pay the bills, though.]
He rescued a couple abandoned puppies over the weekend, and ended up keeping a little lab mix boy. We took the new puppy and his other dog to the park on Sunday, and had a really great time. Everyone we meet still assumes we're a couple because we get along so well. Sigh. I think we will be able to build a good friendship, and I'm going to continue to encourage him to explore ADHD treatment and counseling, so that someday he'll be able to be a real partner in a relationship. He is such a sweetheart, and I think he could make someone very happy if he could prioritize his efforts, and if he found someone willing to work with his condition. It's just not going to be me next time.
I hope everything works out
Submitted by PoisonIvy on
I hope everything works out well for you, Kaliko.
Best of luck to you. It
Submitted by smilingagain on
Best of luck to you. It sounds like you and your husband are working together to end things as peacefully as you can. I really admire that. :)