Well up until a month ago my marriage was over. My husband had moved out, we were both blaming each other after many years of trying, failing, trying again, making agreements that would last for a month or so and then things would go back to how they were before. The ending of the marriage (we have been together 12 years and married for 10) was so fast and so brutal I barely had time to think. I started counseling almost immediately as I was REALLY struggling to deal with the fact that my husband had moved out, was already on dating websites and seemingly fine without me! He had cut himself off from his friends, was going out clubbing and drinking. All the signs pointed to a mid life crisis. Even my counselor thought so, and thought he would be back, tail between his legs when he had time to think things through.
I got to thinking about his behaviour and the many many MANY times I had yelled at him that he was weird, not wired up right, had the emotional range of a teaspoon, was more interested in anything but me, how he never listened, how he was lazy, how I was sick of being his mother, how he spent more time with his friends than with me, or when he was here that he was on his phone, how he would never engage in social situations and would want to leave after an hour if it was with my friends, how the lack of intimacy in our sex life had made it feel like just another chore and how it was like being married to Peter bloody Pan - the boy who never grew up!! (seeing any common themes here!!!) However it was ONE comment that he had been making for YEARS that I had never really paid attention to before - about how he could never "switch his brain off" that I actually listened to for the first time. I texted him out of the blue after we had not spoken for a long while in anything other but anger and asked him if he had always always been like that and how it felt. He seemed surprised that I was asking and obviously was more than a little wary of where my line of thinking was going.... I brought up the subject of ADHD and asked if it had ever been mentioned anywhere in his life. He said no (however given his narcissistic parents this isn't a major shock - he was pretty much left to his own devices as a child) The things he had told me over the years started to click into place - how he always felt different, Didn't have many friends at school, was bullied for being different, how amazingly creative he is, how warm and forgiving he can be... (again anything familiar?!?) Anyway.... Here I am on this forum - having just finished reading the book.
WOW is all I can say - I feel like Melissa has been watching my life and taking notes and has now written about us. I have cried, I have had many light bulb moments, I have laughed and most of all I honestly feel that the demise of my marriage was not only necessary to give us the space to try and sort our heads out, but also without the knowledge of maybe we had been dealing with ADHD of the high possibility (Husband is undiagnosed as yet, but has taken the first step in getting diagnosed - SO proud of him for that) that the end of our marriage was probably pretty much inevitable. This book really is like a text book of our marriage! It is heartening to see so many of you also felt the same, I no longer feel depressed and full of rage, but I feel very hopeful that my husband and I (who says he is feeling lighter and lighter every chapter he is reading) can begin to try DIFFERENTLY. We have begun dating and spending time together and talking on a level we NEVER have before. We both never stopped loving each other which is a GREAT start, but we have played the blame game for what feels like forever and having that explained in great detail is a huge weight off my shoulders and I no longer feel angry with him - (which is a first for many years!) He is a ways behind in the book but keeps calling me to REALLY Validate my feelings and apologise for how he never really understood how his actions must have made me feel. I am SO incredibly proud of him for not telling me to f*** off when I suggested he may have ADHD and his willingness to try and figure our marriage out together that I am hopeful (if not quite scared lol) of a possible future together again.
I do have a few questions though that maybe some of you would be able to help with.
1. We are in the UK and after 1st trip to the doctors (Booked himself by my hubby - the FIRST doctors appointment he has made for himself in 12 years!!) it seems that getting an actual diagnosis is going to be VERY long winded and that we are going to have one hell of a fight on our hands, the doctor did not even seem to take hubby seriously and did not even in fact ask him any questions that I would have thought a doctor should have asked him (nothing about why he feels he has ADHD, symptoms etc) and actually asked him if this "wasn't an excuse to just get his wife back" I was FURIOUS!!! However disheartening as it seems, hubby still seems focused on trying to get a diagnosis so we are looking into the possibility of private treatment. My question is this... Is it worth still going down the self treatment options even though he is undiagnosed? I am being very careful not to diagnose him myself even though the book as I said is textbook of our whole marriage. He has been all over this forum and had ordered himself omega 3 and 2 other natural alternatives (names I cannot pronounce!) that were suggested by Nancie - does a formal diagnosis (other than access to prescription medication) even matter if he is able to garner the tools and support from this very forum and the books and the couples seminar? Do any of you have any knowledge in this that would be helpful either on the diaganosis side or of the alternative medicines that he wants to try?
2. I have read the feedback on the couples seminar and wondered if this really would be a good route to go down? (trying to find ADHD specific counseling here is proving as easy as finding hens teeth) given the fact as I said he is undiagnosed. My feelings at this point is "what have we got to lose?" we are living separately and I am unwilling to move back in together until we have better coping strategies and desperately do not want things to go back to "how they were before" Is the seminar something that we would be able to do while living apart? Again and thoughts or advice would be greatly appreciated.
we're in the uk too
Submitted by mariel on
we live in the uk. my hubby got a diagnosis last year. our gp was great and did a referral straightaway at first appointment. then we had an appointment with a nurse from the adhd clinic and then the psychiatrist who made a tentative diagnosis, suggested an additional assessment for autism and prescribed ritalin. he suggested lifestyle changes bit was quite appologetic that there wasn't more they could offer in terms of coaching etc. we see him about evëy 4-6 months for review and he has suggested counselling once the autism assessment is complete. that is taking a long time but i think the adha one was only a few months. so i would do the self stuff and also seek the diagnosis.
we are in the north east. it's on my to do list to see if theres a local self support group
Thank you
Submitted by Dipity on
Thank you it feels from reading the forums that diagnosis and treatment is a lot easier in the states and taken more seriously! Hubby is going back after we found the nhs checklist for when gps are supposed to send for a referral - he ticks every item on the list!! I am in the south west which probably makes a difference! Good luck in finding a support group, certainly seems like we could use a few in the uk!!
My wife and i did 11 months apart and 10 months of couseling
Submitted by c ur self on
Being apart a while was good for us...I had much bitterness and anger...and my wife had lived in denial so long it was good for her to have to be responsible for herself...I do not know your situation, but a few traps to avoid would be for you both to not think add/adhd treatment and meds will stop bad behaviors...If a person is dealing with anger or rage...If a person isn't considerate, want pick up after themselves, wants to control others...They will do this on adderall just as much as they did before it....I think you are doing the right things, you definitely need a wise third party...Don't give in to the temptation to mother or enable him because he seems to be looking to help himself....By all means support him and encourage him...But in counseling I suggest you keep the focus on seeing your ownselves...Because as long as there is blame going on it only leads down one road and it sounds like from reading your post you are both sick of that one...good luck...I will pray for you both....
Good to hear
Submitted by Dipity on
Hi and thank you for replying!
Your reply is all the things hubby and I have already discussed about trying to avoid. The parent child dynamic (for me) is the main one I want to avoid and am making concerted efforts to not nag and to change my responses when he zones out a bit!
its harder being apart now than it was when we were fighting , and the counsellor I am seeing upset me greatly yesterday when she suggested that I was trying to find something wrong with my husband in order to excuse his behaviour in the marriage. Me explanation (denial she says!!) is that we were both using a possible diagnosis as an excuse to get back together!! It is SO far from that , we both feel that we love each other very miucj and don't want to throw away a 12 year relationship without (as the book says) trying differently! I felt very defensive of my husband after that session and came away in tears :( think I should find a different counsellor although up until now she has really been helping me with working on me, being told basically I'm a dickhead for wanting to salvage my marriage is not ideal!!
He is doing a GREAt job at setting himself realistic things to achieve ,I am so massively proud of him for being so open to the idea of ADHD. I read with real worry about how best to approach him about it and his positive reaction surprised me! One less barrier to get through!
i am hopeful for our future now even though I know we have a long hard road ahead of us, it feels like we are singing of the same hymn sheet, and being able to see our marriage on a different perspective has been a real eye opener :)
Dipity....
Submitted by c ur self on
Every relationship is different, just as everyone of us are different...From your writings you seem to be determined to work at this...Hear is a few things that has helped us...Patients...Learning to live with the reality that we are both just on-lookers of each others way and actions....By that I mean If my wife's add is going to cause her to have self-destructive tendency's...There is very little I can do or say to stop it...other than just positive things like prayer, encouragement and love...But, when it happens anyway it's not my responsibility to do anything...It's her life! So saying that, she too, is an on looker of my words and actions...If I am going to live a life of expectations that just creates bitterness and anger because I refuse to see myself and my desire to fix or control things that is not in my power to do...then there is very little she can do that is positive except to pray for me, love me, encourage me...So we had to set up some boundaries because even though we are one, we also are two A couple of our boundaries are...Convictions toward timeliness...She really has none, and I do...So if we have planned something with a start time and she has made no attempt to honor it, she know's I am going on time (so two cars)....She can't throw anything away (mild hoarder) I can, I like a picked up house...So, she know's and respects that I am going to keep the place descent...And if she feels overwhelmed by my organization and busy life style at times and needs some down time, I have to respect that....it really hasn't been that hard, it has brought some sanity where chaos was reigning...Again be wise...and remember the only way any of us can get healing for ourselves is to face our demons...Just puke em' right up...it's extremely painful...but, there is great peace that follows...:)
Good for You!
Submitted by NLKohlenberger on
Dipity,
I so appreciate all that you have written here, and I give you a tremendous amount of credit for seeing yourself honestly during your separation from your husband, and then deciding that your marriage is worth more effort. I am impressed that he was able to accept the idea that he might be ADHD, and that he is willing to do what it takes to get diagnosed and treated. Based on what you are saying, I am getting the sense it may not be quite as easy to get treatment from someone who truly understands ADHD where you live as it is here in the states. I support you to keep trying. I am able, as a psychotherapist, to diagnose clients, and then can make a referral to a doctor who can then prescribe medication, if that is indicated. Supplements can be very helpful, Most people find the right medication to be more helpful. I support you to keep looking for the right counselor (maybe for the two of you), who has some experience with ADHD who then might be able to advocate for you with a doctor, if the doctor is not as familiar with ADHD.
c ur self has given you some really great feedback here about being sure you define your boundaries well. This is so important in every relationship where ADHD plays a part. Without blame or criticism, notice the places in your relationship where symptoms create challenges, and make agreements about how you work together around them. And always remember, the symptoms are not the person. Sounds like you've already recognized this.
You might also want to pick up a copy of our book. It's really helpful in pointing out where the "Hot Spots" exist in many ADHD relationships, and how to work with them. I wish you the best!
Thank you!
Submitted by Dipity on
Hi Nancie
Thank you so much for your encouraging words, they are all very much appreciated!
I wanted to update on progress over the past couple of weeks and have made it a goal to be more involved in the website and discussions instead of being a page creeper!!! I have found so many of the topics so useful and helpful that I would also like to "give back" and share experiences!
I am SO thrilled that hubby has actually been back to the doctors and seen a different GP who has referred him to a specialist ADHD centre in the next town. The Doctor was far more encouraging than the previous one and really seemed to take hubby seriously.
I have made the decision not to continue seeing my counsellor. I am not OK with seeing someone who is so encouraging for me to divorce my husband rather than find solutions to sorting things out with him! Whilst I do understand where she may be coming from in terms of her feeling that my husband was mainly absent (either in body or mind) during our marriage, I do not feel that she is taking the possible diagnosis of ADHD into account with that at all. We are however going to be starting on Melissa's seminar as soon as hubby has finished reading the book, and I am already approaching this with the attitude of not expecting hubby to complete the segments of the course to the same timeframe as me whereas previously I know I would have very much been of the view of "why haven't you done that yet is this not as important to you as it is to me"
Quick question - do you know if the Thriving book will be available on Kindle format at all?
I also do not know if I am allowed to share external links on this site, but I did want to share with you a very short broadcast that my husband made on a local radio station yesterday. He is asked to appear on the show every so often and usually his segments are not about his life personally. This particular broadcast made me cry with happiness to hear, and has really made me realise that he is 100% on board with searching for solutions. I am SO unbelievably proud of him for his willingness to work together to find workable solutions for us to live together as a family again, and also to receive texts from him while he is reading the book saying how upset it makes him to read the chapters on denial and how he cannot imagine being either the ADHD partner who is unwilling to seek help, or the non ADHD partner for not accepting that they have faults too in the whole symptom/response cycle. I truly am hopeful that we CAN try differently - here is the link to his broadcast (if it is allowed to stay up) and I hope that you (or anyone reading this!) enjoys it also https://audioboo.fm/boos/2291975-monday-s-pause-for-thought
Thank you once again for your encouragement Nancie, it truly is appreciated
Kindle
Submitted by NLKohlenberger on
Hi Dipity,
My understanding is that there will be a Kindle version of the book coming out, although I am not sure when that will be yet. It shouldn't be too long. Keep your eyes on this site. I know it will be announced here.
I have to run out now, but I will listen to your husband's download when I have a chance.
Best of everything to you. It's so good to hear of things moving in a positive direction!
Nancie
Non Chaos Reigning sounds AMAZING!
Submitted by Dipity on
Hi C
Thank you for your reply, much appreciated - Some great tips there that I shared with my husband :) When we get to the stage of living together again I think him having his own space (I work from home and have an office I can retreat to) for him to be messy in and retreat to for some down time would help us very much.
I totally get you about living a life of expectations - I am worried about finding a balance of not having too many expectations vs not having enough will be a difficult one to achieve, but I am definately on board with puking all over my demons!!!