What does it look like when you effectively treat ADHD and your life starts to turn around? Here I've reprinted a recent post that says so much about the hardships of the ADHD experience and what can happen when things start to change. Thank you, ptc909294, for your contribution.
"I am 50 years old and was recently diagnosed with ADHD. Apparently, no one other than me, was surprised by the diagnosis. My wife and I have had almost a non-existant sex life for years. While it left me angry and resentful, having been placed on medication (vyvanse 30mg) and going to Cognitive Behavioral Therapy at least once a month has enabled me to see past myself for the first time, probably in out 23 years of marriage. For the record I was diagnosed in January 2009.
From January through July I grew very angry and distracted at home. My wife wanted me to stop taking the medication, and had I not been going regularly to CBT, I might have agreed to do so. However, slowly I began to recognize that the anger was really directed at myself. It was as if a giant ship was slowly turning around. My wife was always the brunt of my anger. However, as I began to see clearly just how I had been living my life, albeit for the first time, my anger grew even more. When anyone is that angry, there is no way one can have any relationship with them.
I had come to the realization that had it not been for my wife, we/our family would not have many of the wonderful things we have today. A home in a nice neighborhood, a son off to college-and the money to pay for it. Whether by way of ADHD or selfishness alone, the results were/are the same. She was always left alone and waiting for the other shoe to drop. I slowly forced her into the role of parent and I accepted the role of a child. I was always good at apologizing but, in retrospect, I failed to do so with the true remorse of someone willing to change. Therefore, trust, ever slowly eroded, never returned. The scary part is that whenever caught in some tangled web of my own creation, she would scream, I would apologize, and inside wonder why I had no feeling of remorse for whatever injustice I had done. Intellectually I knew what I had done was wrong, but had no feelings toward it. I was frightened that I was truly broken in a significant way.
Over the past few weeks I have finally filed three years of back taxes. As I put the peices of my life together, and reviewed the bills that so vividly highlighted my shopping impulsivity and other excesses, the weight of a life poorly lived sat on me for the first time. Imagine what it might have felt like to feel for the first time true remorse, all at once, for so many wrongs perpetrated. While I could point to ADHD as the reason, it did not remove the responsibility. I cried over these emotions. I apologized for the sins of my past, and over the past several weeks changed in a way that my life depended on it. My wife said she is seeing for the first time the person she thought she married.
The things she lived through: alcohol abuse, infidelity, unpaid taxes, job changes. Maybe not all ADHD related, but maybe they were. The result is the same: distance, lack of intimacy, eroded credit rating, etc. With an understanding of ADHD I can see these things as the actions of someone-me-with a problem that was now being treated. And no, we have not had sex in over a month (I used to say we had sex once a year whether we wanted to or not) but every day I make sure that I sit next to her on the couch, hold her hand, call during the day to see how she is feeling, and try to live my life from my heart. I love my wife and am willing to wait to see if she can heal. I realize that there is something greater in life than me and my problem(s). I see my family (19yr old boy, 17 and 15 year old daughters) as an entity to be protectd whereas before I just saw my self as one of five. My entire view of who I am is undergoing a dramatic change. I do not know where it will lead, but I do know that everything I do going forward will be done with complete honesty and transparency. And I will be willing to accept the results going forward. I do not know if we will have sex, or even remain married. But I do know that whatever her choice, I will be either the best spouse and father one could ever know, or the most supportive ex-husband. Granted, we are still more likely to end up on Jerry Springer rather than Oprah, but we are moving in the Oprah direction.
I wish you peace, you and your ADHD spouse, in whatever direction life takes you. My path has been very difficuly and it woul have been easier to give up, but I feared I may loose my soul in the process and never get it back."
(Question from another reader...)
Wow, thank you so much for sharing. I'm sure any of us non-ADDers would be encouraged to see an ADDer recieve revelations like you have. What did you feel was the turning point? What suddenly gave you remorse and feelings? My husband definitely has neither of those things and it's so hurtful. I can only pray that my sweet husband can feel those same things you're now feeling! Now that you've recognized some of these things, what do you feel are some things that your wife can do to support you? Luckily my husband doesn't seem to have much anger, I have more if it myself even being so frustrated with him. Anyway, thanks again for sharing.
(Response to the question...)
"When I was tested for ADHD in the beginning of the year, they asked me what I wanted to get out of treatment. I told them that if I could just find my wallet, keys and cell phone each day, I could pick up weeks of time each year!
Everyday for me was a struggle, and I didnt know why. When asked what would I put on my gravestone one day, I simply replied "I Struggled". My wife and others would tell me how frustrating it was watching me struggle because I was my own worst enemy. I was an average student in school, and didn't exhibit the hyperactivity that some parents experience with their kids. Of course, the nuns back them would have killed me if I didn't conform. However, papers and homework were always late or forgotten. When I attended public HS my C's and occassional B were enough to hide me from attention.
I went to a State school and continued my average performance. My SAT Scores were low (440Math/460Verbal) so I began to expect average performance. I wanted to go to medical school and while my father supported me, there was nothing in my past that proved I would suceed. But, I went back to school took the science prerequisites and no one was more surprised than me when I pulled a 3.95GPA and was asked to enter a graduate program for Organic Chemistry. Of course I thought I was fooling everyone and was waiting to get caught. Now I realize that the seeds of the low self-esteem were already sown by the time I reached high school and by grad school had been giving myself negative feedback for years. I couldn't understand how I could be doing so well in a much more difficult school in a much more difficult major. Unfortunately, my father passed away suddenly and I couldn't continue. I even had received a grant to do cancer research at NIH. When you think you are fooling everyone it is difficult to accept success. So, I went into the business world.
As life got busier and more complicated I fell behind. By now I was married and my wife's career was taking off. I slowly took on the traditional male role of paying bills, etc and failed miserably. That was when the mistrust started. I just couldnt manage to get the bills paid and in the mail. I would forget constantly. When my wife would pick up the slack I would be relieved inside, but also became resentful of her! That was when I became to child.
Fast forward to last October when my wife was diagnosed with breast cancer. I had to pick up her results of a mammogram on my way home from work. She was on pins and needles waiting for the results. I walked in the door......without the results. She was crushed and I took my typical defensive stance and yelled back at her. The fact was not that I forgot them, by the time I left the office, it wasnt even in my mind or on my radar screen. It seemed that whenever I tell someone that I will do something, I automatically check the box in my head that it is done, and forget about it.
I am also sober. I have been sober since 1/4/2002. I walked into AA, not because I thought I had a problem with alcohol, but because I didn't understand just how I could not care about anything in life nor show any remorse. I was frightened.
My wife and I were at the point this past summer where it was time to separate. Even our marriage counselor (our 5th!) thought it was time to move on. I was behind on my taxes and had to get them done so we could begin the process of separating. As I waded through the years of information and disorganization-and was working with a great accountant that knew I was ADHD/AA-we pieced my financial life together and it just hit me. Everything. All at once. I mourned for 2 weeks a life that had been poorly lived. Luckily I was seeing a CBTherapist twice a month so I had someone to talk to about what I was experiencing. It was more difficult than recovery for me. I couldn't work for 2 weeks. I was in mourning. My therapist told me not to run from it but sit still and feel it-for the first time. I finally felt connected to life. As painful as it was, I could feel. It was amazing. I real gift.
In retrospect we always felt like there was a third unseen party in our relationship. We just didnt see it as ADHD. Gina Pera's book "Is it You Me or ADD" was helpful to my wife. But I see this as my problem and I need to do the things that enable me to live in the world.
I would be more than happy to answer more questions but that's it in a nutshell. The book doesn't have an ending but it is wonderful to be an emotional participant in my own life. Everything is changing. I will let you know how it goes."
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To ADHD man and new life
Submitted by BW on
I sit here at my second job reading this and just broke into tears. My husband was diagnosed with ADD about 2 1/2 years ago. We have been married 10 years. He rarely drinks but he had (who knows, still has?) a marijuana problem. He states that he has since quit this and the therapist asked what he had replaced it with. We don't see the therapist because he wasn't being honest with her. I want to tell you, and your wife, how much of a milestone it is for you to get to where you are today.
I am a professional in Finance with addt'l education past undergrad. I am working a second full-time job, third shift - which means I only get 3 1/2-4 hours of sleep per day M-F and only if I can rely on my husband to get home and watch our 6 & 8 year-olds so I can sleep. I do this because I have never been able to rely on him. I really don't think that he believes that he has ADD although he'll start a med and stop, etc. There are so many parallels in your story to our lives and I would give an eye tooth just to have him say 1/8 of what you have said - from the heart.
I believe he is a good person and I am now sitting on 5 years of taxes. I could file without him and get money back, but he is self-employed and I don't want to add any more issues should we split up. For a bright, number-oriented person whose career relies on good credit, etc. this has caused me issues when wanting to apply for a better position. I advised that I was going to talk to an atty this Friday about a dissolution and I was egged, and pushed on to that topic by my husband who feels that I am the problem yet I only see him for 1/2 day Sat and all day Sun when I'm not working my second job. We have a similar sex life to yours - it's non-existent. I loved having sex with my husband and for some reason it's the last thing I want to do and I have cried the last few times - I'm guessing because I don't feel like it's making love at all.
My husband hasn't opened a piece of mail in our home for years, and watches me do it without assistance. He works hard and hardly ever misses a day, but is not doing what he wants and living to his full potential. He lies about many things - and often I wonder why. He's very defensive and cannot hold attention long enought for a 3 minute conversation. If I stay does it hurt the kids? I'm already hurt. You can't say things and pretend that the next day things are okay.
In any case, I sincerely admire the courage it took you to post this after having what seems to be an "awakening" and some insight into yourself. Just remember that it is VERY hard for the spouse to leap back into something where they have been hurt without the guarantee that things will not be that way anymore - especially after years of marriage.
I hope your wife and children can fathom what a step this has been for you and to be able to eloquently put this down on paper while staying focused. You will remain in my thoughts and prayers and I hope for my relationship and family the steps that you have taken.
Barb
My New Life
Submitted by ptc909294 on
My wife and I came back from our marriage counselor the other day. It was a session that was full of anger and fury. But herein is the difference: I can ask her after the "discussion" (you know, the Her: I want you out of the house; Me: no its our house; Her: It's mine. It was my hard work and saving while you spent everything. You left me to work a job I hate to help pull us out of debt)leit must be awful to feel that "in it alone" so what can i do to help change that? For whatever reason, I can listen to what she says, see the eveidence she has to feel that way, and not feel as if it is a personal attack. therefore, I do not have to defend myself. For me, it is much more peaceful.
There is no way to wipe the slate clean. That is truly impossible and we shouldn't close the door on the past as there is much to learn from it. I cannot get her to put away her anger nor can I make her forgive me. But, I can keep moving forward in my life, continue to take inventory of my actions and when wrong "promptly admit it". I can remind her that I understand how painful and difficult life with me has been. I can tell her that I am in it with both feet and also remind her that I am not perfect. As of today, our taxes are up to date, and it took many weeks of hard work to gt there. We are finally refi-ing our house at a normal rate (it is amazing just how quickly one can repair their credit rating when you get the help of another. Its amazing what a mortgage broker will help you do in an effort to make money in this economy!).
BUT......we havent had sex. The other day I went out and bought her someting nice to wear to bed. I noticed that the tshirt and the sweatpants, while not terribly sexy to me, may reflect the way she feels about herself, too. It was important, I think, for her to understand how I see her. Arent one of the virtues of love, patience? A tall order for someone with ADHD!
Here is something I noticed this past week. In the mornning, as we begin to wake up, I toss and turn. She says I am inconsiderate and she wants to sleep. Now that i have been on medication since February, I realize that I have this uncontrollable stream of random thoughts that tears through my brain in the morning. She will finally ask me some question that is important and I will respond so inappropriately in relation to the question (especially if it is some critisism). It as if whatever she asks is the "one more thing that I cant take due to the onslaught of thought I am wading through. Now, I get up as soon as I am awake and take my medication. Within minutes I can actually lie in bed quietly and feel relaxed.
Also, we were driving in the car-an 8 hour drive with our kids-and she would comment, pause a few minutes then say-"well that went no where. It is so lonely being married to you". For the first time I said to her what the thoughts were that went through my head after she made her comment. Sha actually said that if I would say them out loud, it would be like a normal conversation! I am so used to streams of thought racing through my head, I just get jammed up and cannot respond to anyone else.
Again, I don't know where this will all end up, but everyday the awareness builds. But, my caution is that had I not been seeing someone for Cognative Behavior Therapy at the same time I was taking my medication, I would have given up on the meds and never experieced where I am today. And, it is very difficult.
I also had trouble lying-or should I say telling the truth! When I am under an internal barrage of negative thoguhts and I get asked a question, I would say anything to stop the onslaught-and for whatever reason a lie seemed more effective in delivering the desired result. However, now on medication, the negative thoughts just dont seem to stick the way they used to, so I no longer need to be defensive and for whatever reason dont need to lie.
Thanks for your thoughts. It really helps me to better understand myself relative to ADHD. And, I guess more will be revealed to me as I move forward in this process.
Moving Forward
Submitted by MelissaOrlov on
Thanks to continuing this conversation and telling us about your experiences as you go through them - I think it's really helpful for people to read your story.
The anger your wife has will last for a while longer, most likely, which is frustrating but have patience. There is much in there that has built up and it takes a certain amount of contrary, better experience for her to start to "melt" her anger. Either that, or she needs some sort of epiphany about the effect her anger has on her and how destructive it is.
See if you can look at the sex side of your relationship is the "long term". First, you have to become friends again so that sex is of interest to her (women are like that - they want sex to be emotionally meaningful - myself included, so anger REALLY gets in the way). The scientific research suggests that doing things together that are fun, challenging and new create the best environment for strengthening friendship type bonds. Don't "surprise" her with something (she'll just be annoyed that you didn't seek her opinion) but be open about what you're trying to do. "I'm looking to create some fun times together again - how about joining me for a (fill in the blank)? Then, take charge of organizing it and you'll add to the effect (she's likely tired of organizing things).
Or, just try some smaller together-time experiences that you might both enjoy - a walk in the woods, for example.
Moving Forward
Submitted by ptc909294 on
Thank you for your words of support. Again, I am reminded that the effect that ADHD has is similar to the wind; you can't really see it but you can feel its effects, and there are times it blows harder than others.
After reading Gina Pera's book "Is It You Me of ADDult ADD" I wanted to say "but what about ME?" After all I'm the one with the ADHD. Why all this conversation about the ADHD Partner? Therein is one of the seeds of failure. I became so focused on me and my problems that I never took the time-nor could I-to see those around me. Yet, the impact of ADHD is really absorbed by those around us. No wonder our relationships crumble over time.
Everyday there seems to be a new awareness. Its as if the backlog of unexplored and unrealized emotions are bubbling to the surface. All the things I never realized or delt with are coming up and presenting themselves in living color. Again, and this seems to be the unkindess cut of all, I need to wade through these feelings alone as I can see my wife cannot handle the additional emotional stress. Therefore, counselling and finding others to talk to is also very important. Again, this is and has been a very emotionally difficult time for me, surprisingly so. I assume that this is the most difficult challenge of being diagnosed as an adult.
From a timing standpoint, I have been on medication since February 2009. While 90% of my time to date has been wading through and undoing problems of the past-taxes, credit, relationships-more of my time now is being spent actually moving forward! Again, there are things that occur everyday that emotionally weigh me down, but now, it seems that I can deal with these things constructively, formulate a plan to move forward, and execute it. When I do that, the positive feelings take hold and I can move past these issues.
As for my relationship with my wife, I realize that my "epiphany" doesnt necessarily mean she has experienced one. So, I really need to accept that we are both in a different place. There is a saying that if you walk 9 miles into the woods, you have to walk 9 miles to get out. So, there is much work to do, and yes, we are trying to build a history of positive experiences and some of the ideas I have read here are really helpful. As for the walk in the woods together, it sounds like a great idea as long as she doesnt have a hunting license!
How great is it to have a community like this to share, learn and heal....
Moving Forward
Submitted by mradhd on
This post caught my eye & I felt that I had to read it & give just a little feedback. I sing in the choir for my church (www.thechapel.com), and this Sunday, we are singing a great song called "Moving Forward". I also have the Gena Pera book, "Is it You, Me or Adult ADD", and I too have recently used the word "epiphany" to describe my clearer understanding of what's going on in our lives. This is a terrific post & I agree that it really is great to have a community like this to share, learn & heal. My wife has stated to me that she is over the edge of frustration & is bankrupt of emotion & love for me. It's funny that it was just about a month ago that she told me that I would be the perfect husband/father, if I just had a job. Well, I do work, it's just that I am in sales and marketing & work on commission, so my income is inconsistent. I work from home so that I can be available when needed, but I can't get anything done, because I have too many distractions. My wife has admitted that she has difficulty knowing that I'm home & not interrupting me to talk or ask me to do something. All things point to my wife filing for divorce, but only God knows what he has in store for us. I have come here for help & comfort, and I have reinforced my belief in myself by writing some positive "action/power" statements to read throughout my day. Thank you again for your thoughts & may God Bless You.
Following your story
Submitted by MelissaOrlov on
It's great that you continue to share your story with us - thanks!
Gina's book has some good facts in it, though her research was "creative" - i.e qualitative research presented in tables and charts that make it seem factual. She focuses unabashedly on the non-ADHD spouse (for whom the book is written) but, I think, lacks empathy for the issues of the ADHD spouse (you picked this up too, it seems). I finally got around to reading it this month and felt as if readers would come away feeling informed, but hardened a bit. I'm not sure if that would be good or bad.
There are good things in your post - the fact that you're getting things done now, the fact that your medications do seem to be enabling you to do things you didn't do before and that you are more self-aware. While it may be hard for you to do all of this at the same time, think about not only clearing out some of the stuff that has backlogged (taxes etc) but also try to stay aware of the idea that expressions of love are all about attention. Your wife may "thaw out" if she receives the kind of attention she is looking for. For each woman that means different things. Some love physical attention while others want you to be a helpmate. Some want baubles while others (including me) could care less about gifts. Talk with her about her dreams of what your relationship could look like or what she used to dream of it looking like to see if you can get some clues as to what type of attention is most meaningful to her. If you still can't figure it out, or if she responds strangely when you apply the type of attention you think she wants (i.e. if you guess wrong) then just ask her up front. "Look, I want to show you my love by paying more attention to you in a way that you like - but I'm "relearning" the ropes here - what do you crave from me?" and see what she says (and then PAY ATTENTION to what she says, even if it sounds "odd" to you!)
The first type of attention I really longed for from my husband when we were at this stage was "sharing chores". Once he got that one down and I could relax a little bit, I found myself much more open to other types of attention - more romantic types. But I couldn't have accepted the romance until I felt he was more of a partner. So, for me, there was a progression that needed to be taken - respect first (symbolized by his willingness to be a partner in our household) then affection. And the "taking responsibility" so the non-ADHD spouse doesn't have to carry so much of the load part of doing better in your relationship takes lots of time. Your spouse has been let down by your ADHD symptoms for so long that she's wary of "believing" that your epiphany will last long enough to make a real difference in her life. She's seen good intentions before. Sustaining your efforts and realizations over time (as well as continuing to press for better and better treatment for youself) will help both of you understand that your ability to control your symptoms is different this time due to your understanding than in the past.
Hope this helps a bit. Keep up the good work.
Following Your Story
Submitted by ptc909294 on
Much of what you have posted has been very helpful. The real pain of the experience occurs when I look at my wife and see someone that is tired and has been worn out for some time. I guess I never noticed it, or stopped to see or think of it. I know she works very hard and I can see why she has grown so resentful. She is away this week on business and while I am sure there are things she finds fulfilling in it, the thought that she has sacrificed some close friendships as a result of her schedule is painful for me to perceive and makes her very angry. I understand that.
We, my wife and I, live in a town of "stay at home moms; beach houses; cars home and kitchen additions where the six burner stove is the norm, yet never used." As my ADHD weaved its web, we saw close friends progress in their lives-building memories, and security-while we struggled. These relationships/friendships entail an unspoken quid pro quo. After some time, we drifted off the social invitation list and I think that has been very difficult for my wife. It isn't that we cannot afford some of the expensive dinners; it's the implication that we have become insignificant, an after thought, and don't get asked. So, from her perspective, she is placed in a no win situation. It may be my ADHD, but, we are all people with our own insecurities that demand, unfairly at times, that it must be someone's fault.
I thought there should be a reply to Gina's book: "No, It's Me-and ADHD". The two are inseparable. I wouldn't give up my ADHD, because it played a role in who I am today. In a building of 5,000 people, the security guards all know me by name-I always lost my building ID. Friends have called wondering where I have been because they don't get the ocassional joke or website forwarded to them anymore. I guess I actually focus at work and am beginning to see the results/rewards. I grew to rely on others and therefore had to build teams to survive in my industry. I over paid my partners because I knew more than they how they really were my life blood. I depended upon them for my success more than they could ever know. Others thought my generosity was overboard, but I knew I couldn't really manage alone.
Unfortunately, I never built a team at home. I guess we all seem to take on roles at home, or get put into roles that are traditional, but often the traditional roles are ill suited for those with undiagnosed ADHD.
Well, off to see my Cognative Behavior Therapist. I am sure he will have some thoughts that will keep me in the front lines of my life. Shudder to think that I may actually be growing up! Who would have ever expected that!
Thanks
Husband still in denial after reading this
Submitted by cmosher51 on
Hi:
I asked my husband to read this because the answer to all those questions were yes on all of them. He just blew it off and said there are lots of things on the internet about all kinds of things but that doesn't mean I believe them. I had posted on here before about what we were going through. He went to a psychiatric nurse who asked him a bunch of questions off a sheet of paper and then diagnosed him with anxiety stress disorder and put him on Celexa. It worked beautifully for about 3 months. His forgetfulness cleared up and I could actually have a conversation with him. Then, about the first of November, I noticed him starting to forget things again and ask questions that he already knew the answer to and I thought "oh, no! His meds are not working any longer." I suggested to him then that maybe he needed the dosage upped. He ignored me. So we go on a little trip for Thanksgiving to Hershey, PA and it was a disaster from beginning to end. The beginning started with him not knowing the lock box combination to get the keys out to unlock the rental house. There we are with 2 kids in the freezing cold and can't get in. He thought he had written it down on the rental papers, so I pull them out and no he had not. then he says he wrote it down on the papers that he mailed back to the owner. So after about 40 minutes, he finally gets the owner on the phone and he gives him the combination which by the way, I still remember because it was an extremely easy number to remember. Instead of getting the keys out once he gets the number, he is walking around smoking a cigarette and I have to tell him to please get the keys and unlock the door so the kids can go inside. It ended with him putting stuff in the rental car's trunk which we had to take back before we left as we had rode in a huge work truck that he owns so he could get some trees for his business and leaving it in the trunk. I discover this when we get home. He says he put it in the car because he thought my daughter might want to play with her stuffed animals (which makes no sense because the rental place was only 10 minutes away and he put it in the trunk, not in the back seat with her). Also on the way home he starts yelling at me and has me crying so I have to call 911 and we have to stop and the cops have to come. I had been saying and crying, please just stop yelling because I can't stand that and don't want it happening in front of my 8-year-old. He says he doesn't remember me asking him to please stop yelling. I had told him before he started his meds that I would not fight with him again and I meant it. I dont' want to have a nervous breakdown as I have an 8-year-old to take care of. So I get in the back and ride all the way home with him managing not to say anything to me, only because he was afraid I would call 911 again. I don't want to live this way, in fear and him not even seeing what he is doing is abnormal. He also this morning ripped apart a Thanksgiving project that my daughter had made at school. It was a Thanksgiving paper plate with a napkin glued to it with her writing saying what she was thankful for and had a chicken bone (that they had cleaned with alcohol) and a plastic fork glued to it to symbolize Thanksgiving dinner. He literally ripped the napkin off the paper plate, then ripped the fork and chicken bone off and threw them in the trash. It had been there since before Thanksgiving. This made no sense to me and hurt my daughter's feelings. I mean what can you think about someone that would do that? What explanation makes any sense or isn't frightening??? He says he thought it was trash. I have never in my life left food lying around and he knows that. It's beyond ridiculous. He says he will up his meds but has not made an appointment to do so. I think the nurse diagnosed him incorrectly but he won't see it and keeps saying this is nonsense and ridiculous. I'm not being ridiculous, am I? I am keeping notes on all this just so I can go back and read it and see that I'm not making this up and that I am not crazy. Thanks for letting me vent guys. i think this marriage is over.