Here's another thing that's been bothering me.
Living in the same space is difficult for many reasons. But being in the same room at the same time, that's the real difficulty. On a very basic level.
So, for instance, if I need to go through a door, and my ADHD angel is standing there, when I approach her, I need to say: "Please, move aside, because I need to go through this door." Otherwise, it's like she doesn't see me.
And when I say this, she reacts like she's being scolded.
This can take many forms. Imagine cooking together, we're both in the same room. If I'm in my mittens, carrying a really hot skillet I've just taken out of the oven, she won't move unless I tell her I need her to do so. If I need to strain the pasta, she won't move away from the sink unless I tell her to. Repeatedly.
So we keep bumping into each other every turn we take.
Another thing is that she often freezes when she starts talking. And even though there are some "sensitive areas", where I know she doesn't like talking to much, like the stairway (because the neighbors will hear), if we start talking there, she takes the key out and puts it in the keyhole and then freezes mid-motion, and keeps talking and talking. The heavy bag that I'm carrying from the car doesn't seem to bother her.
If it's raining and I go to the car with her for the groceries and she starts talking (she really doesn't like me interrupting her), she'll just keep standing there in the rain and talk with her hand on the trunk handle, even though I'm in my home slippers, because I assumed it was only going to take like 15 seconds.
When there's a door opening inwards, she'll always (and I mean always) stand in the way, so that I need to tell her to move aside so that I'm able to open it.
It's like she doesn't know my intention, doesn't know what's going to happen in the next 3 seconds. She does this when we're going through a revolting door, for Pete's sake.
When we're in a restaurant and the waiter comes, she fails to acknowledge their presence. They keep standing there and at some point I feel it's rude to keep them waiting, so I shift my focus, smile, say a kind word, apologize, while she still keeps talking. But she often interprets this as me not listening.
Sometimes, when I really feel we need to resume the action, I give her a gentle nudge. I always try doing it in a gentle, loving way, putting my arm around her, and just applying slight pressure. This way, she can keep talking and still be pushed into motion. Sometimes, she just mechanically starts walking and it doesn't disrupt the conversation; other times, she'll react defensively - "why are you pushing me?!" Like I'm violating her personal space.
And, apart from all that, there's two issues I feel are connected somehow:
1) When I stop occupying some space, she'll immediately annex it. Like if we're in bed, if I go for a glass of water, I find her lying across and there's no room for me. Or we're in a restaurant, and I go to the toilet, her bag is always sitting in my chair when I'm back. And that brings me to another point:
2) When I say "please, let me return to my space", there's a huge delay. She reacts immediately by saying "ok, I'll remove this bag so you can sit back", but this does not actually happen. It may seem trivial in a restaurant, but if I'm carrying a really heavy bag of whatever and need to put it down immediately at the place she's occupying, it becomes a problem. We've had cases when I had to throw a really hot pan that was starting to burn me on the floor because of that.
I really have no explanation for all of this. While I realize she might get distracted by talking and forget the surroundings, what's with the need to take over all space if that's not necessary and she knows it disturbs me? Seems so compulsive...
Anyone care to comment? Have you ever experienced anything like this? Does this ring any bell?
Yes, Yes, Yes!
Submitted by Dagmar on
It is so frustrating. I have to say exactly what I need him to do and I have to justify why I need it.
Before we had kids, we used to have issues at friends' houses because he just wouldn't leave. I would try and make a signal that I wanted to leave and he wouldn't notice. Then I would say something like "I'm really tired." No reaction. I have literally fallen asleep in the corner of someone's house because I couldn't find a tactful way to excuse ourselves. On many occasions, I have had to resort to yelling "I want to leave right now!" Which is embarrassing. Even after kids, we were recently at a party and after getting the kids ready to leave and standing in the doorway holding my purse, I said "we are ready to leave." He remained on the sofa and replied "I'm ready when you are," and didn't budge. I again had to yell "GET UP," before he moved.
Or another time, he launched into a totally inappropriate topic of conversation at a party. I made eye contact and shook my head. Then I gently tapped his foot under the table. I gradually started kicking him harder and harder and he just said "why are you kicking me?" and kept on talking.
And yes, he is always in my way. I usually have to say "I am carrying something heavy and I need to put it on the counter you are standing in front of" because just saying "excuse me" or even "move" does nothing.
His reaction is always to be annoyed. Like I'm out of line for yelling. I wasn't yelling the first 10 times I asked.
Yep, this is my husband. He
Submitted by Snail on
Yep, this is my husband. He is another one that won't get out of the way and looks hurt when you ask him to move. When I first got together with him he told me about this lady who yelled at him at a party to "f-ing move!" while carrying a tray of glasses. Ever since then he's disliked her. I didn't really know her but thought, well maybe she is rude until about the second year we were together. He won't move! And he's a really big guy so he takes up some room (I'm not trying to be mean here, just explaining the extra frustration with space). I've gotten to where I'll just walk into him to see if he'll take the hint and he won't. If it's something hot from the kitchen I'll ask for him to move and he looks butt hurt. Some times I have to just physically try to move him. It's tons of these little things that makes you want to go crazy. It's not only irritating but I feel like he's being unnecessarily hurt by it and being manipulative.
Time to go
Submitted by jennalemone on
"I have literally fallen asleep in the corner of someone's house because I couldn't find a tactful way to excuse ourselves."
Yes. This is the mode of operation for H also to not be able to leave or say goodbye at the end of a social gathering. This used to happen all the time for years with H. It was uncomfortable for me too....I didn't want to have a fight in front of people so I would sit or stand like a fool while he started new conversations rather than leaving. He walks people out to their cars when they leave our house and hangs on to their car roof while talking and talking to the driver....even if there are small children crying in the backseat....he is not able to end a conversation.
I now follow everybody out to the car with them. Then after saying a polite Goodbye, I put my arm through H's and step back actually pulling him and say, "It was so good to see you. We had fun. Let' do this again." Then wave Good Bye. If H pulls backk angrily and keeps talking, I say...loud enough so everyone can hear me, "H doesn't like to say goodbye when we are having such a good time that sometimes I have to pull him away, haha." Then I really pull hard. I know our guests appreciate my doing this. And I could care less how H feels about my doing this....It just got way too stupid for him to "come to life" talking in the driveway so long when we have been with these people for hours and he didn't have much to add to any conversation during our social time.
Oh yes, to excuse yourselves at someones else's house when you know it is time to go home and he doesn't get the hint? After he agrees it is time to leave, stand up right away. Say loud enough to your host/hostess, "We had such a good time. THank you for everything. It's time for us to be on our way.". I have had my H stay in people's houses while I walked out in the old days. When this happens I actually have learned to get into the car and drive off if necessary. It is the only way to get some cooperation for the next times. And then just be gone for a while letting him stand on the sidewalk. After years of me being the one to stand waiting for him like a fool...I don't feel pity for him standing, waiting for me, wondering if I would come back to pick him up....let him explain to our hosts why I drove off.....It there are people with him outdoors, I will come back and make light of it. They realize that H stayed too late and appreciate my getting him gone at the end of the day. Once H looks foolish for sitting there and not leaving when it is time, he has "learned" that I am not kidding when it is time to leave. Don't worry that your host will think you are rude.They are tired too. When it is time to go, your host wants you to go and will be grateful that you left. His harsh words have no effect on me anymore. I have an arsenal of memories of standing like a fool to keep me strong, Besides, H is quick to blame and call names and show anger....then forgets it quickly. I just have to endure his wrath on the drive home. It doesn't bother me anymore. Don't let it bother you.
Please don't let yourself look stupid sleeping in a corner because you are afraid of looking rude for making an exit when it is time. I've done it myself. I didn't want to seem rude or pushy or emasculating or a party pooper. I have more self respect now and realize that H does not have social cues and I must herd him, sometimes forcefully, or we will be oddly awkward in some social situations.
Occupying space
Submitted by Angie_H on
Hi, BigSurprise and others who posted,
Yes, I have the same problem. My husband seems to get in front of me and be oblivious that he is in the way. If I say I'm going to look at a particular item in a store, he goes and stands in front of it. If I'm pushing a shopping cart, he stands in front of it. If I say I'm going to get something out of the refrigerator, or go to the laundry room, you name it, he stands between me and my destination.
I tried asking why he does this, and he says he isn't aware he does it. I more and more ask him to step out of the way - as many times as it takes before it enters his consciousness. I notice he is now more aware that he gets in front of me, and he is quicker to step out of the way. He is better, too, at paying attention and stepping out of the way if I give him advance warning that I am about to walk through carrying something.
Does anyone else have tips about what has and has not worked?
All the best,
Angie