I feel empty. I've invested and invested in him, I've invested and invested in trying to make our relationship better. I've invested time, love, money, and energy. He hasn't.
Our latest conflict is the same old familiar pattern. He does something that hurts me. I remind him how much it hurt me last time and ask why in the world he would do that again when he knows how much it hurts me. He is silent. I get angrier and angrier. Finally I break into tears and say when will I learn to stop hoping that he will remember. When will I learn that expecting him to behave differently only leads to me feeling disappointed. I am very sad. I don't see any way forward for me. I think he would be content to stay together this way for a long time. I guess I would too if I were him. I make all the plans. I make all the decisions. He has no responsibilities other than his job, paying the rent and the car payment and taking the trash out. I don't expect anything else of him. I pay every other bill. I anticipate needs and expenses and I take care of them ($$ for school trips, school supplies, new shoes, birthday presents, birthday celebrations, family vacations, Halloween costumes, Christmas. I do everything for Christmas. All the gift selection and purchases for our children, parents, siblings, and extended family. All the cards. All the baking. All the cooking. All the decorating.) I plan everything. I do the meal planning, grocery shopping, cooking, and clean up. I do the laundry. I clean the apartment. I arrange all of the child care. I schedule all of the children's appointments and activities. I make sure everyone gets to where they need to be. Whenever there is a change in the schedule, I remind him over and over again. Otherwise he forgets and the children end up stranded somewhere. I have tried and tried over and over again to assign small tasks to him. He doesn't do them and I have learned that I feel resentful when he still hasn't done them after multiple reminders.
It's less stressful if I do it myself. When I feel like his mother, it kills my interest in sex. So I'd rather do it myself than nag him. I get the mail bc he forgets every time and the mailbox gets overstuffed and I don't get important info on time. Like bills. Changes to our healthcare. I call maintenance when the ceiling leaks, the microwave stops working or the tub isn't draining. I schedule the car maintenance and take the cars in when they need oil changes or a tire is losing pressure. I do our taxes. It would take him at least 3 months to get it even halfway done and there would be multiple errors. The last time he did the taxes there were so many mistakes and problems we ended up owing the state and the IRS over $8,000. I cashed out my retirement because we did not have thousands of dollars lying around and we had to to pay the bills to avoid paying mega mega high interest. He feels extremely anxious about making phone calls so he won't call to schedule anything. He also finds it impossible to work out all of the details involved whenever there is a wrinkle such as one of our cars is in the shop and how will we get the girls to school on time or to choir practice or youth group. He won't ask anyone to give the girls a ride. He hates to ask for favors and he hates talking on the phone. So I do it. He hates conflict and avoids it at all cost. He hates discussing anything that is likely to bring up strong emotions. When my mother in law died he wanted to wait to tell the children until we were in the car on the way to the funeral. I said Absolutely Not. He complains often about how stressful life is with his "messed up brain." But he won't use the system developed for him by his coach. It was effective when he used it consistently. He said it's too time consuming. I think it would actually save him tons of time. Without it he can't remember anything and he can't find anything. I used to work full time as a mental health and disability rights avocate and prior to that I worked with disabled babies and their families and before that I was a special ed teacher. I've helped many many adult and child clients and before that babies and children with autism, CP, Down syndrome, ADHD, auditory processing problems, dyslexia, dyscalculia, language processing problems, written expression, reading and comprehension problems. Adults and children with visual impairments, hearing impairments, cognitively impaired, explosive behavior, defiant behavior, mental health diagnoses. Children in foster care. Children with one or both parents in jail. Children whose relatives stole everything from them so they could buy drugs. Adults in long term psychiatric facilities. Forensic patients. Adults under the guardianship of APS. Children in long term residential treatment. I had a client with Prader Willi syndrome. I am skilled. I am experienced. I am patient. I am very, very persistent. I am worn out by my husband's limitations. He leaves food out to spoil on the counter. He leaves the front door unlocked. All night. he leaves the freezer door cracked. The food defrost and spoils. He leaves the refrigerator door cracked. I have to toss everything. He leaves every cabinet door open in the kitchen and the bathroom. If he ruins something or breaks something he doesn't replace it. He left his lava lamp on my desk. It leaked. I asked him to sand it down and refinish it. He didn't. He broke a huge picture frame. I asked him to buy another one. He didn't. He scratched up my favorite CD by leaving it in his car out of the case. He broke the blender, the toaster, the food processor, the toaster oven. Our salad plates kept cracking and I asked him to please stop putting them in the microwave. He didn't and they all cracked and now we have no salad plates. He broke my vintage dishware and my favorite mugs. Didn't replace anything. I asked him to stop doing laundry bc he forgets to put the soap in and then he leaves the wet clothes in the washer for days and they grow mildew. It's easier to do all of the laundry myself than to rewash every load that he puts in. Years ago our daughter needed to see a specialist for a skin issue. I asked him to take care of it. I didn't think it was a huge task. I was working 3 jobs. I left home at 5:30 am and didn't get home til 8 pm. He was home all day. The girls were in school from 7:45 to 2:30. I felt sure he had enough time to do it and I also thought that he could overcome his resistance to making phone calls and take care of this one thing. After 4 months he still hadn't gotten her an appointment. He can't remember shit. I can't forget anything. Not a good match. He makes me laugh and he's an amazing lover. He is my younger daughter's father and she adores him. He adores her. It breaks my heart. I can't do this anymore.
Wondering aloud
Submitted by repeat that please on
Why did you marry him?
Why indeed...
Submitted by daizzebelle on
I often wonder the same thing. It seemed like a good idea at the time.
You are in the trap....
Submitted by c ur self on
IMO....You have one hope if you stay with him....***CHANGE***.....You have stated very well in this post, what the problem is....You are expecting competence (closing of doors, simple medial tasks like laundry, closing of the refrigerator door after use, lock up at night, be able to tend to the important things related to the home, auto's, children etc etc.....So all you have to do is wake up tomorrow and STOP expecting what will never happen....Redirect your energy toward what you alone can accomplish in most area's of living life....Then once you aren't counting on him for what he is incapable of doing (yes, incapable to a large degree) your stress will subside....
I deal w/ the same....I get up in the AM refrigerator door ajar, sleeping all night w/ doors unlocked, cabinets left open, every flat surface covered completely...Taxes, tried that, I do mine married filing separate...Mine are done and the federal refund has come back, state is due very soon...She will do it between now and due day...She is thinking about it and dragging stuff out...."LOOKING for it...LOL....
Anyway....I don't allow myself to be effected any longer (for the most part)....I love her to much to try to live with her, like I could live w/ many other women....Once I accepted that, and put all the many boundaries in place.....The life we do share is a great one.....We just are very limited in what we can be together, due to our huge differences.....But life is to short to fight and stay stressed out expecting her to remember to put the bread tie on or check behind herself when she makes a sandwich or gets ready to go.....She still takes her pants and panties all together, (like children do) and leaves them where ever she steps out of them....Am I mad about it...No...it's who she is....I will leave first....I do my laundry...She does hers....She piles her clean stuff in piles...Mine go on hangers, and folded in my drawers....It's just who we are....My side of the bed and night stand is neat...Her's looks like a bomb went off...Just who we are....very different....You know the drill....Many of us do....So I suggest boundaries, and for you to make your life smaller...Do you want to spend the rest of your life mad at the man you love, because of his mental disabilities?? I don't....It's to easy to leave for responsible adults, and you sound like you are one.
I do completely understand....But if you will stop expecting what can't happen....Acceptance of reality!....And start asking yourself....What is possible, and set boundaries to that end....Your life will get better....You will be able to focus on your amazing husband the lover and Dad w/o expecting him to find a new mind over night...I'm not making excuses for him, if it wasn't clinical in nature....Thousand's of us wouldn't be writing the exact same stories??
There is way's to help him....They are....1) Love and respect.....2) Be a good example...3) Encourage him about the things he shows effort in (even if he can't meet your standards) 4) Walk away when you are stressed 5) Let him fall flat on his face before you offer any mothering or enabling.....
IF you want him to understand what you go through....You have to do number 5....You have to!!!
((((hugs))))
Praying for yall....
c
Thank you C
Submitted by daizzebelle on
Yes I agree with you 100% , either I accept him as he is... or I keep wishing for him to change which will not happen and will only keep me feeling frustrated angry and worn out or....??? I don't know. Our lease is up in 7 weeks.
C....
Submitted by AdeleS6845 on
I really feel for daizzebelle.
Your advice is spot on, C. I know you have years of experiencing what has and hasn't worked in your marriage.
After reading what she wrote:
""He has no responsibilities other than his job, paying the rent and the car payment and taking the trash out. I don't expect anything else of him. I pay every other bill. I anticipate needs and expenses and I take care of them."
"I plan everything. I do the meal planning, grocery shopping, cooking, and clean up. I do the laundry. I clean the apartment. I arrange all of the child care. I schedule all of the children's appointments and activities. I make sure everyone gets to where they need to be. Whenever there is a change in the schedule, I remind him over and over again. Otherwise he forgets and the children end up stranded somewhere."
I'm thinking daizzlebelle is almost to the point of an emotional breakdown. I'm wondering how accepting him as he is, not having any expectations whatsoever for him and living like he does not exist going to help her. She will still be doing everything, and be just as burned out as she is right now. It is a frustrating, maddening situation. If he were to seek CBT, maybe it could help him stay on task and remember things, but she cannot pressure him in any way, because if he feels pressured he certainly won't do it. With young children and other expenses, she probably can't afford to hire help, either.
My situation is very different from yours, c, from daizzebelle's and everyone else here. I'm not married and have no children with my boyfriend. I wish I had some good advice to offer...
Adele....
Submitted by c ur self on
(I'm wondering how accepting him as he is, not having any expectations whatsoever for him and living like he does not exist going to help her. She will still be doing everything, and be just as burned out as she is right now. It is a frustrating, maddening situation.)
Most of our suffering comes not from a busy life Adele...Most of our suffering comes, when we want accept we don't have any help! (No one we can depend on in most things in life esp. work related)....When there is an adult women or man, living in the house with you, eating at the table with you, and sleeping in bed with you...(like daizzebelle, and many of us) It is one of the hardest things in the world to accept that you can't count on them....
Daizzebelle is no different than many of the H & W's that post here...They set up this busy life style...Schooling, Jobs, Career's having children, activities, etc., like it's going to be two responsible adults to tackle it all....But in many cases, not only does that never happen...The reality that they have married a person who not only is going to justify their laziness, and irresponsibility...But they are going to cost you more work than any of your children....
When we accept the reality of our spouses (those of us who deal with the dynamic I just spoke of) living of life....We can adjust our thinking about what is possible for us....The physical suffering (being tired and worn out) of taking on to much can be adjusted, even if it has to be done over time....The mental and emotional suffering only comes when we refuse to accept what is in front of us....And that is what destroy's our peace.....
The reason many want accept the reality of their spouse, is because they know once they do...It will force change....All of a sudden the arguments, the pointing it out, only to be insulted, is not good any more....Because with acceptance we know better, and we know we must change, no matter what that entails...The futility of our present lives, doesn't work any longer....
c
Thank you Adele, I appreciate
Submitted by daizzebelle on
Thank you Adele, I appreciate your words of support. Yes, pressuring him does not work...getting angry does not work...begging and pleading does not work. We did Melissa's seminar. It was helpful but after it was over he did not stick with the new way of doing things. He prefers his own coping methods despite the fact that they are not effective. It is mind boggling to me. Also boggles my mind that he quit using the effective strategies he learned from his executive function coach. But that's the crux of it. He is who he is. He is not going to change. I either live with it as it is and try to find a way to enjoy life as it it is. ..or??? I don't know. Our lease is up in 7 weeks.
So sorry, Daizze
Submitted by 1Melody1 on
I could have written your entire post myself. My life is exactly the same. C's advice around acceptance is good and it sounds like you're pretty much there now. You see your situation clearly and realize that without an epiphany from your guy, nothing significant is going to change. This is your life.
I will say that I worked myself into a nervous breakdown doing it all. I ended up on depression meds and sicker because of the side effects of those meds. I hate that I let that happen to myself. I would hate for that to happen to you.
For myself, here is what I have done. I can't accept that this is my "forever." You said "I can't do this anymore" and I feel the same. But I have to do it for awhile, I feel, because sharing custody with my husband would be much worse. At least I have some control now. My daughter gets to her activities. She eats healthy food and has clean clothes. She has a routine. She has help with her homework. If I shared custody (a very likely outcome of divorce where I live, despite how hard I might fight), her life would be a mess at her Dad's house. I can't trade my stress for hers. So I have hired housecleaners that come once every two weeks. This has been life-changing for me. Yes the clutter is still a nightmare and I have to clear it every two weeks, but the vacuuming, dusting, toilets and floors get done. It's awesome and one less thing for me to stress about. I have started seeing a therapist on my own. Just telling this story to someone was an emotional relief. Also, my therapist is helping me focus on myself and what I want. The third-party perspective and understanding is helpful. I also stopped working so damn hard. You are working 3 jobs. I was working days, nights and weekends, too. And then I decided that I wasn't going to make the income for two people anymore. I was missing my daughter's life and killing myself while he was sitting on a couch staring at a computer screen all day and night.. Now I work during working hours (9-5) only. Not enough money? He'd better get out there and make some. My husband still isn't doing enough in the income department perhaps, but he is doing more since I stopped doing it for him. Same around the house... I refuse to pick up after him anymore, do his laundry, etc. When he leaves things everywhere, I throw it all in "his room." (Moldy laundry and all... I sooo get that!) We don't sleep together. One room is a huge mess but at least the rest of the house looks passable now. I have also joined a group once a week just for me. Something fun to get me out of the house and making new friends as an individual. My therapist suggested building a support network if you plan to leave in the future. She said leaving is much easier if you have that because you have already built a life as a single person.
I act like a single mother and no longer expect anything of him. I expect that I will always have to do things myself and when he happens to step up, yay. This acceptance doesn't change the situation, but it makes it much easier to deal with. When I had physical, emotional, financial and household expectations (and my expectations are too low, believe me), I would feel constantly resentful, disappointed and angry. These feelings caused me physical pain. Now a lot of the work is still there, but I feel less burdened. If that makes sense.
It is an awful way to live and I cry some days still. I am really very sorry for where you are. I hope we can both change our situations in the future because one thing I have learned in my case is that he is not the one who is going to make a change.
I am so very sorry Melody.
Submitted by daizzebelle on
I am so very sorry Melody. You deserve better and your daughter does too. Thankfully my husband does look after our daughter when it's just the 2 of them. I don't worry that he won't take care of her. He helps her with her homework if she needs help, he makes meals for her, and he takes her to the library or they will go roller skating. Well she skates and he walks. He can't manage anything that involves any planning or phone calls (i.e. she would never get to the dentist or pediatrician, he doesn't notice when she needs new shoes or clothes, can't stay on top of deadlines for school things, won't call other parents to arrange play dates, doesn't remember when she has a friend's birthday party to go to, doesn't think to take her to buy a gift and, doesn't remember that they need to leave by x time to take her to the party, etc) but he is good at doing what needs to be done right now. He often tells me that for him time is only Now or Not Now.
Melody I am so glad you have
Submitted by daizzebelle on
Melody I am so glad you have found some ways to cope such as the house cleaners and putting all his stuff in his room. I would love to have someone come in even once a month to clean but it's not in the budget. He works full time but doesn't make much money. I work 2 jobs and take on extra hours so that once a year we can go away for a few days. We go out to eat once a month or less, we all pack our lunch for work and school, we don't have cable, we use the library for books, cds and dvds, we buy clothes and shoes at the thrift store and we save money on food by shopping at the farmers market and eating mostly vegan (meat is pricy, beans are not.) But our rent is high, we still have one car payment, (mine... thank goodness his car at least is paid for) he is paying tuition for courses he is required to take for his job, and both of us pay child support to our exes, so we just can't afford another expense.
I wish he had his own room. If we do stay together I will insist that our next place have enough rooms so that he can have a "study" where he can put everything. I don't care how small it is...it can be a sun porch or a laundry room or a walk in closet... as long as it has a door that I can close so that I don't have to look at his crap.
I am unfortunately still coping with PTSD from years of abuse at the hands of my first husband. I take meds and I I've been going to therapy for years...both the meds and the therapy have helped a LOT...my job situation changed in January so right now I cannot pay for therapy but I have a new job possibility in the works so I will get back to therapy when I can.
I'm so sorry you are suffering. It isn't right and it isn't fair to you or your daughter.
Thank you
Submitted by nwintrovert on
I could have written just about every same exact word about my wife. I love her dearly and we have been together 20 years, but the constant pressure to perform the life tasks that she cannot has become overwhelming and exhausting. My therapist had suggested she may suffer from adhd but until I discovered this blog today I didn’t understand what that meant. Thank you for sharing your story. I suddenly don’t feel alone in my struggle.
It's so hard, isn't it...I
Submitted by daizzebelle on
It's so hard, isn't it...I love my husband very much and yet I am frustrated and angry...and I don't like feeling this way. I am not an angry person. It is making me very sad.
Welcome, Nwintrovert
Submitted by Will It Get Better on
I suggest reading Gina Pera's book, Is It You, Me, or Adult A.D.D.? Stopping the Roller Coaster When Someone You Love Has Attention Deficit Disorder. I think you will find it a straight-forward (and sometimes humorous) introduction of what it is like to be a non-ADHD spouse and the various treatment options you and your spouse can investigate. Do not hesitate to bring questions or gripes to this forum. The people here have decades of experience with ADHD (even if they don't want to).
daizebelle, the need for help
Submitted by dedelight4 on
I am so sorry you're dealing with so much. I totally understand. Part of why I am physically limited now, is because I spent so many years doing so much of everything else. And, I mean just about everything. Fortunately my H has always had a better income than me, and stays in his jobs, even if he doesn't like it. He does pay the bills, but we're always behind, and our taxes haven't been filed in 3 years. The fines are going to be nuts. But, with his "side" businesses, I can't do them because it's so disorganized and crazy. He's very intelligent , with a PhD, and (Mensa IQ) but, still impaired by ADH D symptoms.I've tried to explain to him that IQ doesn't change ADHD symptoms, but so far he won't look into that.
The breaking things? Oh my goodness, don't even get me started. We have more broken things than you can imagine, and half done projects all over the house. Big projects. Because he never starts a "small" project. They are usually grandiose and costly, and the mess from these is large, along with putting anything anywhere it drops. The daily messes are enough to handle, because nothing gets put away, absolutely nothing. This is a danger for me from possibly tripping over things and falling, which I have.
I believe there is a serious NEED for ADHD clinics, just like substance abuse clinics. And, there needs to be more of an emphasis on the "denial" aspect of their own condition. (Just like addiction denial) These two things, ADH D and addictions have so many similar aspects, that I don't understand why it can't be approached in a similar way. More widespread focus, on TV, and media, with clinic help available. Even addiction often has ADH D at its roots, in many cases.
There are tens of thousands of adults with ADHD that aren't getting enough help, and their denial of it is hurting countless others. Maybe there needs to be a more straight forward approach to this denial, and the professionals need to stop being so "careful" not to offend. And maybe word things in a stronger more direct way, to try to break through this "denial". Addiction destroys, but denial also destroys. And others can not always "take over", the things people in denial refuse to handle.
We do live in a crazy busy world, and families must have two functioning adults to make life easier. But, in this world, it's different. I just don't know.
You did mention something, about coming out of an abusive first marriage. So did I, very abusive. Some of us here had some damage before we met our current spouses. This is also something I've had to look into.
Hi dede, thanks, I am sorry you are going through this
Submitted by daizzebelle on
too. It does help me feel less lonely knowing that I am not alone. Yes, I think an ADHD clinic sounds like a wonderful idea. Accountability and consistency would bring about 100% improvement in my opinion. Yesterday my husband said he doesn't like using the system he learned with his coach because it's "boring." My first thought was so being stressed out and running around like a chicken with your head cut off is preferable to being bored? My 2nd thought was Adulting is 99.9% boring. For all of us. Get over yourself and grow up. I did not say any of this to him. Sigh...
daizebell, sure enough
Submitted by dedelight4 on
I smiled when you said "adulting is 99.9%boring" sure enough, it is. We sure need help with it, don't we? And those of us (like myself) who didn't have responsible parents didn't learn much about HOW to become an adult, and how to make wise choices in life.
Anyway, no, you're certainly not alone. It would be an awesome idea if at some time we could all meet at a common place and discuss things for a weekend, maybe with some experts.
My H does what you're does with the running around. He certainly has the "hyperactive" part of ADHD. Age, he's 63, and a knee injury is the only thing that has slowed him down some. Many things happen because of the impatience, impulsiveness, and the hurry, hurry aspects. The Concerta hasn't improved that part yet. He breaks stuff because of impatience mostly, and has to do something fast, fast. And decisions still get made from impulsiveness, which can be costly. This is why being able to actually "discuss rationally" with our spouses is so important. Living as two separate people, when you don't have enough separate money is very difficult. I'm going to ask him again if he will consider doing Melissa's couple's counseling, or her ADH D workshop. Maybe this time he will say yes. Wish me well. Take care Dede
Wishing you the best dede,
Submitted by daizzebelle on
I hope he will agree. My husband and I did the seminar. I thought it was very helpful and I was hopeful that things would turn around for us but once it was over he had zero interest in following up with the new ways of doing things.
And yes a lot of Adulting is deadly
Submitted by daizzebelle on
dull boring, so I break it up into chunks and give myself incentives along the way. Getting boring paperwork done earns me 10 minutes on the couch with a magazine. Getting all the laundry done earns me 30 minutes of relaxing with a cup of tea. I realize that that is very hard for people with ADD but that's why we paid a fortune for him to work with the executive function coach. Money down the drain unfortunately just like the seminar.
daizebelle, that's difficult
Submitted by dedelight4 on
That truly is sad that he didn't follow through with the seminar. I know many of these folks develop coping skills that they feel comfortable with, even if it conflicts with others, they still do them. I know change is difficult, but when someone can't follow through with something that creates such a positive change, it makes you wonder why. This is why I think more research has to be done on the ones who stay in denial, whether a little or a lot.
There has to be another component to this that someone is missing, OR, maybe they're just happy the way they are? or stubborn? Don't know. But, being a loving spouse, we want the best for them, and want to help them achieve this. C has some good advice about that though too.....that we can't change who they are, and have to live with them AS they are. Yes, it can be trying at times. We often want them to see that we are good people, and don't want to hurt them. Still learning.
Yes, exactly, live with it and find a way to be
Submitted by daizzebelle on
happy/content or leave him and file for divorce...or ???? I don't know. Re: the expense of living separately---one way that it could be more feasible: find someone to share household expenses with...maybe another mom with school age kids. We could split the rent and utilities and help each other out with child care.
I've been divorced for almost
Submitted by PoisonIvy on
I've been divorced for almost 3 years and my ex-husband hasn't spent significant time at the family home, which I got in the divorce, in probably 5 or 6 years (because of his choice to be his parents' caregiver). I've been doing a lot of yard work lately; this used to be ex's chore and hobby. In the past 5 days, while attempting to rake in a brushy area, I've found 5 tires, about 15 patches of chicken wire entangled with bushes or vines or wedged firmly into the ground, and a hacksaw half buried in the dirt. I did not leave any of these items in the yard. Sigh.
Sounds like a pain, still
Submitted by daizzebelle on
Sounds like a pain, still having to clean up after him 3 years after the divorce. OTOH now you can make the yard exactly what you want it to be. We don't own a home---or anything else except a car--so there is nothing to split. I've paid for absolutely everything in the house...furniture, rugs, desktop computer, tv, linens, stereo, kitchen stuff...other than the boxes of stuff (mostly books) that he brought with him when we moved in together there is nothing that belongs to him. Except his clothes and shoes...when he changed careers, I bought him a new wardrobe, and he is welcome to take that with him.