Meaning, though the consequences of their untreated or poorly treated adhd are often negative for us, sometimes we can find the silver lining for ourselves.
Silver lining for me: I have learned a lot about mental health, better communication skills, and ways to help my kids. I didn’t learn these growing up, and if I’d had a normal marriage to a neurotypical person, I might never have learned because maybe I could have limped along without being forced to learn and grow. So it’s a good thing, because knowledge and more skills are always good.
I'm much more self-reliant
Submitted by PoisonIvy on
I'm much more self-reliant generally: I've become a better driver, I'm a super "mom" to dogs, I'm also a very good mom to my human children, I now know how to do basic lawn and property care (mowing, raking, shoveling), and I've learned to do other things on my own, too.
A few gifts obtained from the chaos and dysfunction.....
Submitted by c ur self on
Things this relationship as taught me....Or, at least has reinforced what I already knew...
Never attempt to think for another person.........Never judge another person's actions, based on what I consider right or normal.........Never enable, mother, or run behind a spouse for any reason........Love bears all things........If my peace is being forfeited, that's a sign I'm looking for it in the wrong place...I'm important, and I only want my spouse by my side, when it's as important to her, as it is to me.......I've learned to enjoy and be at peace with my own company........I've learned it's OK to not attempt to communicate, when there is very limited ability for it to happen........I've learned placing expectations on her, based on what I consider right and normal for me, usually always ends in disappointment........I've learned acceptance of reality (no matter how bad I dislike the reality)......I have grown spiritually.....
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Thought of more
Submitted by Brindle on
I’ve also learned about my own faults and shortcomings in relationships because I’ve spent a lot of time combing over our relationship with a finely toothed comb. I’m sure there’s more to learn, but I already understand myself better than I did before his untreated adhd rocked my world.
PoisonIvy, your reply is something that’s is true for me, too. I had really counted on him doing the stuff I didn’t know. I will say, it feels good to learn something new and do it! I admit to feeling a little of “who needs you” (which is not good because it’s an immature and devaluing response) but also just pleased with myself over what I can learn and do, and not be powerless to help my situation .
And C ur self, along the lines of your reply, I have learned a lot about boundaries. And that I didn’t really have any with him. And that I can’t stay married and healthy without them.
What I have learned
Submitted by 1Melody1 on
I have learned a lot about myself and some shortcomings in my upbringing that likely contributed to my weak boundaries, lower self-esteem and staying in a situation like this one where other women would have walked away long ago. I am grateful for that because I am positive that I am doing better and can do better still. I see codependent tendencies clearly now and while I don't have it all figured out 100%, there is actual progress with actual results for me personally. Without this situation, I may not have ever seen where I could grow and I may have unknowingly continued to pass down the familial torch of dysfunction to my daughter. It finally stops here.
I have also learned how much I can do as many of you have noted. Turns out, I am pretty capable!
On a humorous note, his untreated ADHD means I can buy new pillows for a room or a new picture and he won't notice for weeks, if ever. I kinda get carte-blanche on the decorating! And if I am really disgusted by a shirt of his or something that stinks or is in holes and has been lying around on the floor for weeks, if I happen to throw it out, he won't notice. :)
My wife turned 58 yesterday....
Submitted by c ur self on
Speaking of learning....There are just some things I have trouble appreciating about my wife, that I would probably love and appreciate if I wasn't her spouse (just a friend)....One of her close friends wrote something about her, that was real nice....And a former girl friend (of our son's) sent a long text (happy birthday wishes) to her that made me chock up just reading it...She talked about how gifted she was in making people feel loved and accepted...It was the sweetest message I've ever read....Of course this x girl friend was one of those special angels that we both fell in love w/ and have struggled mightily w/ the concept of her not being our daughter in law....
When I stop and think about my wife's time with and around these people...It's always in those light times...Fun times....Lunch's, or breakfast's out w/ the girls...Vacations etc....Times w/ no life pressure...No responsibility to speak of...It's hyper focus, it's the love for laughs, games, smiles, and fun times....She is awesome at it...(It's the driving force of her life)....She can really make friends, children and grand children feel special w/ that mind of hers..The apple of her eye....
But that's where it stops to a very large degree...Nothing translates to day to day marital responsibility....But, only one person experience's that reality...
I want to be an understanding husband...I want to see what others see in my wife....I want to appreciate her gifts....They are just difficult for me to see sometimes....When we got married, I had a vision of us growing very close, (I'm affectionate, and love closeness and intimacy) and experiencing all the good things God wants for our union...I still want that, and I still believe it's possible (in Christ)...But the pain has clouded the vision to a degree....
I have been greatly impacted by the presents of God's love to me recently...Those birthday wishes to my wife gave me great Joy for her. (She deals w/ shame and baggage, that she would never confess, but, I know) ...I desire to be a calm, loving and understanding husband...One who has the wisdom to hold to right boundaries (that creates peace for the both of us) and not allow my heart to get hard from the denial....Just accept what is possible for the two of us, and be at peace with that....
I was just thinking, many of you ladies who feel a little lonesome or neglected would do well if she was your new best friend....She would have you hunting cashes, having lunches, going out in the kayak's....She would make you feel like the most special person in town...:)
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I was just thinking, many of
Submitted by Sollertiae on
I was just thinking, many of you ladies who feel a little lonesome or neglected would do well if she was your new best friend....She would have you hunting cashes, having lunches, going out in the kayak's....She would make you feel like the most special person in town...:)
Absolutely and utterly correct. One of my best friends has ADHD and she is amazing when my partner is off being hyper focused. I in fact, deliberately call on her to fill that gap (and she agrees to!) with drawing, hours long conversations, dinner, shopping, cats, music, planning out art installation of doom. And then when he reappears she is not offended if I vanish, but goes back to her own distractions. Best thing ever.
She also very kindly lets me have insight into her own ADHD mind when I am really down, and so I see that even when she gets distracted and focused that does not mean she isn't devoted to her husband, or she isn't thinking of him. Seeing it from her side on neutral ground is ... wonderful. The time she didn't take her meds when he was away and spent 5 hours grocery shopping which resulted in ten new frying pans.... and all she remembers of the five hours is that her husband loves frying things and so she was trying to make him happy.* Oh, and nature documentaries for eleven hours. How much she admires him for being independent of her and following his own passions and being competent. What it is like to have the 'brain sandpaper scratching' that causes verbal vomiting, how exhaustion plays out and the absolute depth of her anxiety, how sick she feels when she can't control outbursts and embarrasses everyone and wants to die.
Anyway. She is a great friend, and you are absolutely right. :)
*B is the most zen and relaxed person I know. Goals in life.
That's my girl :):):)
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Just don't be upset if she over sleeps or forgets the date....It's not intentional :):):)......This is how we survive...Acceptance of what is real for them...And boundaires to limit the intrusivness....(The blind spots we all have when dealing w/ each other....
Thanks for you reply's Sollertiae....
Blessings
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I mean, she has ADHD! After 7
Submitted by Sollertiae on
I mean, she has ADHD! After 7 years of friendship, if she was on time I would be outright confused, and still in bed to be honest. Mostly I say 11 am, expect her there by 4 and am usually pleasantly surprised by late lunch and cake. :)
Alas at the moment, I am holding the prize for who has most often forgotton the day/week/month ... so. Oops? Bit too involved in work. She is quite tolerant with me, luckily. Almost like she knows the feeling... ;)
Melody
Submitted by Brindle on
Your humorous side of things made me chuckle. What great benefits, lol!
- There are many more things
Submitted by Sollertiae on
- There are many more things to life than work, and I really should see some of them and bugger convention that gets in the way. I have spent twenty years driving myself mercilessly, subsuming everything into work and it is killing me. Quite literally as it flares my Rheumatoid Arthritis. I can be efficient to the end of time, and get things done but that is a lonely and poor way to live. His inability to be anything but in the now and a hedonist are some of the few things that will derail me, and I may actually not work myself into an early grave because of it.
Although, the added bonus is that he doesn't feel like a work widow whe,n I am obsessed.
- To appreciate the privilege of being so entirely, boringly neuro-normative and not have to struggle day in and out to simply exist. Sure, I have bad weeks, but that is nothing. I find it incredibly painful to watch how hard my partner fights to complete any task and then the crippling self castigation when he doesn't, or everything else collapses around him from the effort of getting one tiny, shining piece of success he can shout from the roof tops. Especially when he knows he can't afford treatment, but any treatment to help ameliorate the extremes. I find it endlessly heartbreaking, but also his resilience is inspiring. Even if I can't bear to think of the toll it takes.
- To realise I need to start working on my own long standing trauma from decades of being bullied, because it is not helpful for me to have low self esteem and lash out in self hatred at someone who does not deserve it. Not in this relationship, not in any relationship. While he is not consistent remotely, he does not deserve the depths of my self loathing, and it erodes trust. I must be enough in myself and not stunted emotionally, because while communication is not his forte - he can read my emotions in a heart beat and I hadn't realised they were so opaque to me. That way lies hurt.
- I am far more patient, informed and generous towards the students who come to see me for help with tertiary study and have ADHD, OCD or are on the spectrum. Now I find it far easier to get positive results from them, or at least mitigate and intervene on their behalf when I see the beginnings of a spiral downwards.
- I am a much better manager of people, willing and able to advocate for all of my staff with ADHD and help them be effective and well bounded and not damn well bullied by HR or co workers. The same for other physical and mental disabilities.
- Patience with the memory loss beginning to creep up on my elderly mother, and from her the realisation of how terrifying it is to have memory gaps, the wrong memories, time displacement and conflict with those who seem to recall better. Memory is subjective and fragile, and I need to find it within me to let go of when my partner forgets things, and the same for my mother as her memory degrades so she isn't shamed and terrified. Neither of them can control it, but I can control my interactions. And that I need to learn to enjoy the moment, to live the now, and hold my own memories for when inevitably I end up in the same position.
Nothing like seeing one's self....And others!
Submitted by c ur self on
-( I am a much better manager of people, willing and able to advocate for all of my staff with ADHD and help them be effective and well bounded and not damn well bullied by HR or co workers)
WOW you sound like a female version of me..........:)
My Dad has dementia....It's just one of those unwished for difficulties that happens to carnal beings....So I try to see it as just a part of life... Instead of the things I like or dislike....IF I live to long in the like dislike mindset, the dislikes can pile up and make me miss the beauty of my humanity:)
Edit...Just a real life story for ya this morning :)....My wife just walked in the door it's 9:09...She has been off since 6 am unless worked over, it happens) She runs up to me and has a set of car keys in her hand...She took them off of the key rack at the gym, thinking they were hers (looks nothing like hers by the way, maybe they were on the hook she uses a lot??)....I say how did you crank your car? she say's I don't know, I guess I had mine in my scrub pocket, forgot to hang them up (she had been gone from the gym and hour...(went back by employee health to get her tb skin test, etc) So I say, you should call them in case someone is panicing, late for work etc......So she runs out the door and calls me back in a few, as she is driving (another no no, she disregards) and tells me...when she called she told them what happened, and the guy says...The lady just started looking for her keys...So my wife say's I am so embarrassed, I am not going to tell you who I am, I'm just going to run in and put the keys on the counter and leave....The young guys says...OK Mrs..D---- he called her by her first name....You can't make this stuff up! LOL...After 11 years if this was my story...You might should be concerned!! But w/ her it fits 100%...LOL.....Accepting who we love....
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I shall take that as a
Submitted by Sollertiae on
I shall take that as a compliment? :)
Your story of your wife made me smile - definitely recognise that. I am glad she realised she had the keys and managed to return them, hopefully with minimal emabarrassment on her behalf. My partner basically chains his car fob/and phone to his belt so as to avoid losing them any more than necessary - especially as right now he has more than a $20 phone. When they are that cheap he can ruin 8 phones in a week through complete accident. We are trialling having one he cares enough about to remember. 18 months! World record. Be longer but he was mugged, which was not his fault. But a few weeks ago, he had to emergency drive a friend and their dog to an all night vet (alas the dog did not survive) and in the pressure of it all with a new car he can't remember how to lock he managed to lock the fob and key in the car so he couldn't turn the alarm off, blocking the entrance to the car park at a busy intersection and then having to wait for roadside assistance... before promptly doing the same thing again out of stress. To which all I can do is laugh and point out at least this time he didn't get a 200 mile tow (now that is a whole land of adventure). So. Win? Plus now he knows how to lock the car. ;)
I actually kinda enjoy that sort of adventure. I keep out of it unless I am travelling with (and I will if it is important), or unless he needs to unpick what went wrong. If he is delayed for something we have agreed that silence means he is okay and chaos is unravelling so go ahead, he will make it if he can. Contact means actual emergency.
What a beautiful list, Sollertiae
Submitted by Brindle on
I loved reading it. Thank you for writing all of that out!
Thank you taking the time :)
Submitted by Sollertiae on
Thank you taking the time :)