I am a 50 year old female diagnosed with ADD six years ago. Before that, my husband had a difficult time understanding and tolerating my forgetfulness. I went on medication for a few years but had to see a psychiatrist once a month for a prescription. I stopped seeing the psych and taking the meds because my husband complained about the expense and we didn’t think it was really helping any. A few years later, i asked my primary care physician for a script, but the one he prescribed made me very irritable and did not seem to be really helping either. So i stopped. Now that i am perimenopausal, my forgetfulness is getting worse. For the most part, i am on top of things. We have a 13 year old daughter and i schedule everything pertaining to her - appointments, extracurricular activities, parent teacher conferences, tutoring, etc. We also have a small farm and i do everything pertaining to the four horses we own - keeping track of vet visits, shoes, exercising them, etc. In addition to managing the household and our 19 year old son who is in college.
I forget parts of conversations my husband and i have. It is usually small stuff but it enrages him when i forget something and i try to explain what happened. I don’t know if he thinks i am doing it on purpose or if i am arguing with him but he doesn’t want to hear any excuses. After a particularly bad week, he texted me (while i was away at my niece’s wedding) to say if we went on this way, our marriage would be destroyed. I suggested we use a joint calendar and he said no, it won’t help. He also said i needed to grow up and stop making excuses (when i said, my ADD and nearing menopause was making my memory worse). So, i have scheduled an appointment with a therapist and a psychiatrist to go back on meds.
My fear is the meds, my writing everything down and seeing a psych and therapist will help a little but won’t cure me and we will end up in divorce anyway.
I do not know what else to do. He is not very tolerant and he only wants me to put myself in his shoes but can’t put himself in my shoes.
Any suggestions. He says he will go to therapy but in the past, he’s thought therapy was a shame and I will be shocked if he follows through.
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Submitted by Will It Get Better on
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Thank you!
Submitted by tvtg69 on
Thanks so much - i will definitely read her book!
Ouch :/
Submitted by Sollertiae on
Can I get a bit more information about what he says you are forgetting, or is upset about you forgetting?
Because forgetting tasks is about routine, reminders and writing things down. Him being upset you don't recall bits of conversations will have more to do with him feeling ignored and gas lit (even if not deliberate).
You also sound pretty overloaded already, which might be making the feeling ignored part worse.
Oh and it might be worthwhile, if you aren't already, seeing someone about the peri-menopause. There are tonnes of things that can be done to help smooth the transition. Might assist with any exacerbation of ADHD symptoms too.
Thank you!
Submitted by tvtg69 on
Here is an example, he bought me a gift card for a massage last Valentine’s Day. I used the gift card for the massage four or five months ago. The salon requires a membership so when i went to check out, they said, next time i go (for the facial), i would have to pay the monthly membership fee. He asked me how the massage was and i told him what the salon told me about the fee. He took the cards to the salon (this was four months ago) and came back and said, you don’t have to pay the membership fee as this was a special promotion for Valentine’s Day. Ok, i schedule the facial a week ago (booked online and all they offer is an 60 minute custom facial for $100). I go, have the one hour facial, check out and am asked to pay $60 as the massage card has $10 left on it and the facial card has $30 on it so i have to pay $60 but i don’t have to pay the membership fee. He asks how the facial was and i tell him about having to pay $60. He hits the roof that he told me the gift cards were part of a promotion for valentine’s day, that he went down and straightened it out and that i shouldn’t have paid $60. I tried to explain that i didn’t have to membership fee which is what i thought he didn’t want to pay in the first place since he got angry when i told him the first time (after the massage) they wanted me to pay a membership fee. He says that he told me it was a special promotion - a massage for $60 and facial for $30. I honestly do not remember him telling me this. So, he was very upset because i spent $60 and apparently didn’t have to.
The issue is to that he forgets things all of the time. I never make him feel bad about and i always say, you’re human. When i tried to explain that I’m more foggier than usual with ADD and now add peri menopause, he told me to grow up and stop making excuses.
In addition to the kids, and the farm, is coordinating a cruise for me, my sister n law, her daughter, my 88 year old dad and my sister and that means i am doing everything - booking tours, arranging flights, etc - and that is coming up in October. I (me alone) is taking our son back to Northwestern to move in so I’m organizing that trip. Plus i take of everything pertaining to the house - cleaning once a week and cooking all meals, etc. In addition, our daughter is grossly underweight so i took her to a nutritionist and now i have to record all of her calories everyday (which i do without missing a beat) and i take care of my 88 year old dad who lives close by.
I saw a therapist last year and she thinks my husband is depressed and a narcissist. He’s maybe apologized twice in the 15 years we’ve been married and he is never wrong. If you express a differing opinion or try to defend yourself, he construes it as arguing and either decides to end the conversation or hang up on you if we are on the phone.
He wants to see a counselor but he wants to go alone so he can give his side of the story first so i won’t try to defend myself and we end up fighting.
He wants me to put myself in his shoes but he refuses to put himself in mine. I know living with someone with ADD is difficult and i am trying everything - writing things down in a calendar (which I’ve done for years), now going to a psych for proper med management and will start back in therapy again. My ADD manifests itself in forgetting where my keys or sunglasses are, forgetting bits of conversations i have with my husband or assuming things which end up being wrong. Once i scheduled a flight to see my sister and messed up on the return flight - thought u was returning on Sunday night when it was actually Monday night so i went to the airport, got to the ticket agent and realized the mess up. I paid the change fee as my sister had left the airport and lives far away from it. I told my husband and we laughed about it. He wasn’t upset at all. It seems like he gets mad if i forget something having to do with him or a conversation i had with him.
Help!!
Ack.
Submitted by Sollertiae on
Hmm. From what you've said here, I think the issue is perhaps a bit more my second option - that he is feeling ignored and unheard and is therefore reading the forgetfulness as a deliberate attack on him. After all, you are managing everything else well! It isn't logical, but I know that as long as my partner engages with me on a non 'chore level' in a consistent (at least once a week) way, I can see that memory issues aren't him deliberately ignoring me. But if he spends too long without serious engagement it gets harder to see they aren't intentional. At two weeks I tend to get irrational. And while I am pretty sure you aren't ignoring him ... can I just list all that you said you are doing on a regular basis?
Oof, that is a lot. For anyone! Let alone with a brain that is not inclined towards executive function. Two of these would send me into a spin of 'omg I need to slow down', let alone all of them at once. Not that you should stop, but along with the peri-menopause do you think there might be the possibility that trying to hold all this together and not let it be undermined by the ADD means you have swung a bit too far away from sharing time with him? Especially if you are feeling like he is never on your side.
Regarding the gift card, his anger is definitely out of proportion to you not remembering that piece of information, so there is more going on than simply forgetting. Possibly your husbands anger around the gift card is might be stemming from several points and not just your memory: him being frustrated that his gift turned into 'a problem' when it was meant to be simple - gifts sometimes add to the burden rather than help. I give gifts to my partner and basically from that point on, if he remembers them/takes them up then that is fabulous. If he doesn't, then I am not to be offended by him never using/doing it and not to apply pressure. And I am willing to be he was already angry in some way that you had either a) didn't appreciate the gift; b) seeing it as you making everything deliberately more difficult by not listening (i. e. forgetting), c) one more thing to do on top of everything else; d) was hoping he would get positive attention from you because you were grateful; or e) all of the above.
All of which is ... a lot. And asking him to understand your memory is not going to help alleviate any of it, unfortunately.
What to do? As others have said, read Melissa's book as it has some good practical tips and some insight, but in the short term perhaps try making some space for the two of you that isn't organising, that isn't only conversation (you do still have memory issues!), and that is done when your meds are at their peak. And make sure it is a priority on the calendar, because forgetting it or missing it will do damage.
At some point you will need to try finding out (when not arguing!) what is about you forgetting things that really upsets him, and he will need to find a space to listen to you as well .. but that is where you might want counsel. And as a side note, I recommend that everyone avoid diagnoses from therapists who are not trained psychiatrists or clinical psychologists and who haven't met the person in question. A diagnosis of narcissism is not something any professional should hand out lightly given the stigma around it. Any number of conditions (depression included) can lead to that sort of behaviour, as is simply being an arrogant individual who doesn't like being wrong. Perhaps he should see a counsellor without you there, for his own sake. Especially if he is depressed.
Your husband is trying to think for you, mother and control u...
Submitted by c ur self on
Based on your post, It sounds like your husband does need to see a counselor, without you....He don't need to see the counselor about you, but about himself...He has issues, even if some of them have come about due to the relationship....The only way counseling works, is when we recognize our issues, and ask for help....Him....You....The day each of you take ownership of your own behaviors without blaming the other....Is the day you can start to repair your marriage....Because until ownership is taken (in place of blame) you have no chance at a healthy marriage.....When couples (we did it for 8 months) go together without ownership and seeing their needs....All that transpires in a counselors office is an expensive high stress pissing contest....Don't waste your money....If he goes and takes ownership....And you go and take ownership...Maybe after a while you can go together and it can be calm and productive....
My wife is much like you in many ways...high level add....I just walked in the door from a bible study a bit ago, and she was still a sleep at 7:05...(she wears out the snooze button and still want get up many times) She is suppose to be at work at 7:30...I turned the light on in her eyes, and like usual, she excitedly jumps strait up...And loudly states ** WHAT TIME IS IT???**.....I calmly tell her, their going to fire you...LOL....I go sack her up some chicken, a biscuit, three bottles of water, and an apple...She jumps into her scrubs brushes her hair grabs her purse and runs out the front door (I hold the door and storm door open for her when she leaves, because she always has her hands full, we kiss and share I love you's as she runs out....This is common!...I use to be like your husband...Always stressfully telling her she could do better...That comes about when I use my mind and abilities to judge her by....So unfair...She will never manage time, or be organized like me....Although she can do many things better than me...Those aren't them...LOL....
But, I've learned to back off, accept her, love her...But I don't pressure myself to run interference (mother) for an adult....You and your husband are like many of us on this site...We become high level professionals about each others problems....Until we see the guy/gal in the mirror better than we see each other....There isn't going to be much progress....
Based on the story above....Your husband is seeing you as a incompetent child w/ no feelings....And you are part of the problem....The card he bought you was confusing to a degree....Based on your story, the business was trying to take advantage of you....Two reason's....One you did not have all the details about the special, so you were just taking the business's word for everything. If you had the full details, or the card was labeled in a way that distinguished it as a Valentine special, and the business knew it, and honored it as such...(without your husband having to go back down there and hold them accountable to honor the details of the special) this wouldn't have happened....It could have happened to anyone, it's not an add thing....So his sucky attitude was wrong!....if anyone was in the wrong here it was the massage place...Based on your story....
Once the parent/child dynamic starts in a marriage....The first thing that goes is the patients of the one being the parent.....Stop it!.....
Read this to your husband....
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It sounds like a few things are going on.....
Submitted by c ur self on
After all the years you guy's have been married you know one another pretty well...Just because you were diagnosed 6 years ago, really means nothing....It's something you have had since day one....You both have a reality, and you both must accept it....I like what you want to do....I wouldn't care to much what he thinks about your idea's....Just go with them...You know what works for you...He is angry, and angry people aren't very understanding....add/adhd minds should use calenders w/ their spouses....(we all should add or not)...All humans forget, especially those who have a busy life...I would recommend duplicating reminders....Wall calenders....iPhone calenders....Alarms for major reminders....There could be other things going on besides add....
Usually normal healthy males (us) need intimacy and personal attention....My wife who has add is also forgetful...She gets easily hyper focused on things....jobs, family members, her personal fun things etc..etc...In the past she has found it real easy to forget (she is post menopausal also) our relational needs...Just because it's not as pleasurable as it once was for her, when we were younger...That makes for an angry husband...Also a lonely and neglected one....
I suggest you read Melissa's book (and your husband should definitely read it) And don't over whelm yourself w/ so much you can't possibly do it all....Some times it's easy to take our spouses for granted....(more so when we live w/ an add) The very last thing any of us should do....But familiarity can dim our thankfulness for each other....I suggest you set alarm's or calender reminders on your iphone at night (or a convenient time) for any specific items that you and your husband discuss where an action is needed by you...He should do the same if he is forgetful....
Make each other the apple of your eyes again....Keep the main thing, the main thing!
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