Hello all,
This is my first post. My husband has ADHD, its been diagnosed and treated with medication his whole life.
I'm starting to come to the sad realization that I am not capable of dealing with it. I love him very much and he can be a wonderful and kind and fun and attentive and affectionate person. However he is also very often angry at me, annoyed by me, he has a short fuse and he loses his temper multiple times a day. His finances are terrible and he's racked up huge debt from before we were together and I have given him all my savings. I am relatively good with money and have tried for years to step in and help him, but any comment or suggestion I make has been met with angrily and dismissively, all denials and blaming everyone else but him, or blaming me for the way I have tried to talk about it; the wrong tone, the wrong moment, the wrong words etc etc. Only recently he finally handed over his financial admin for me to fix, as it was interfering with my own finances. The task is now made much more difficult than if I had had a say about 2.5 years ago. Before we married I had arranged a pre-nup to protect myself, even getting that done was so terrible. He started huge arguments with me 3 times about it, even at the lawyers office - I understand that a pre-nup is awful and not romantic and it assumes the worst, but its also a very important tool to protect me, his wife, against losing all my belongings and money to debt collectors. I would have thought that someone in such debt would have want their partner protected.
We argue all the time, over the finances, chores, you name it. The fights get worse and worse. I was never a violent person but I find myself reacting worse and worse to his anger - I'm reaching my limit and I have started to lash out, its wrong of course. Its like my tolerance for the annoyance, the anger, the denials, the blame, the sarcasm, is getting less and less. Of course this is only my side to the story and I'm very aware he has his own side of things, and that it takes 2 to tango. I'm also not perfect and have many flaws, I'm sure of that too. And for sure I have contributed to the escalation of arguments very well myself too. I find his communications skills terrible, he cannot admit anything, everything is denials and other peoples fault. Even when its so clear cut, like in traffic when the law says he is in the wrong! He cannot take responsibility for his own behaviors. He in turn thinks that I do and say things wrong, that I repeat myself (which I probably do).
My question, sorry for taking so long to get there :)
I have terminal cancer and have had all the chemo rounds and more to come, its everything its portrayed to be and then some. We are relatively young, and I find myself quite positive all things considered. My issue is that I don't have 40 more years to figure this out, I simply don't have the benefit of time. Also there will come a point when I will not be able to take the burden of doing most of the housework and the organization of most of our life. For my own issues I am seeing a therapist. Since the illness came back and I heard my prognosis the first thing I thought of sitting in the doctors office was that I really had to insist that he see someone too, I had asked this for years, but this was serious now - I knew then that I couldn't take this for the last years of my life. It still hasnt happened. There are always excuses, too busy, etc etc.
I have read a lot on this website already - going to read even more. But one thing I miss. Really practically, how do you get your partner to acknowledge the problem in the first place? and take ownership for their part? And learn to look inwards at themselves and also admit their own faults and stop blaming others?
For me that's the first step - as if he doesn't do that then he'll never seek out therapy, and even if he does, if you go into therapy believing you do not have any problem and its someone elses fault, then you are not really open to it.
If you made it this far, thank you for listening :) I look forward to any insights - I'm really getting desperate.
My heart aches for you ❤️
Submitted by 1Melody1 on
Jennifer, I am so sorry to read about your prognosis. You are incredibly strong.
I have been with my ADHD husband for just over 20 years and I have similar reactions and feelings to those you described. I have run out of patience for watching my life be ruled by ADHD. You asked how you get a partner to acknowledge the issues. I have failed in this with my husband. I think it's either total denial or a true inability to see how his actions and lifestyle impact me and our child. A lot of both. And perhaps on some level he sees it but realizes how difficult it would be to change. So he does nothing.
I have personally made the decision to separate and will be doing that very shortly. My husband refuses to change or awknowledge his problems and I can't live like this anymore. I don't know what your options are in your situation, but unless he's willing to suddenly make a big effort, I'm not sure it's possible to break through. I think it has to come from them and we can't force it. Therapy could get him there, but he'd first have to get to therapy.
Sorry I don't have better advice or more positive outlook. I feel like I have tried it all with no results at all. What about a call with Melissa (she may still have free office hours)?
I'm sure you need people around you to love and support YOU at this time. If there has ever been a time to put yourself first, this is it... whatever that means. ❤️
Thank you Melody, I'm sorry
Submitted by Jennifer7000 on
Thank you Melody, I'm sorry to hear that you will separate, I can imagine thats a hard decision. Of course I wish it was different for you, and I so hope for some magic tips, but I suppose there is also some sort of comfort in knowing that there are others with the same problems. It makes me feel like I am not so crazy as I am sometimes made to feel. And that in itself is useful.
Thank you, and good luck for your challenge to come. but a fresh new start and happiness coming up I'm sure!
So Sorry for your diagnosis
Submitted by adhd32 on
I am sorry this is what you have to deal with at a time when your needs should be the only thing you should be thinking about. I cannot tell you what it would take to wake your husband up to see your appeal. I understand your desire to have best life you can from today forward and I think you have the right to demand that.
I posted last week about separating with my H after 35+ years. I don't know what has changed in me but I have decided that I have had enough. I think that there was never a time in the past where I felt comfortable enough to move on either due to finances or family issues. We are at a crossroads with H newly retired and forging ahead with plans to sell our home and downsize. We are in a situation now with fighting, foot dragging, passive/aggressive behavior, and so forth. I told him last week I had enough so if he wants to move forward together he would have to seek help and actually commit to it otherwise we would go our separate ways. I just cannot live in the same household anymore being desired only as a housemaid and hookup, it makes me feel used. We have discussed his need for help and things never stick. There is always a gung ho start and then things peter out over time and he reverts back. I've never seen a lasting change, what will make this time different?
I'm sorry to hear that too.
Submitted by Jennifer7000 on
I'm sorry to hear that too. 35 years, what a long time, its so hard to imagine. Yes, its so recognisable, the inital start and then within such a short time it all just fizzles out and gets back to "normal". All the plans and promises just disappear.
I still have hope, as we've not been married for so long. I don't know whether that makes me naive - but I suppose you can only follow your feelings as they come, and for now its incredible desperation but also some bits of hope in between.
Wishing you lots of luck with your next steps, I hope that your husband takes your pleas seriously now. And if not then good luck and lots of strength with your important decision making. You deserve to be happy too!
Re: ADHD desperation & cancer
Submitted by Angie_H on
Hello, Jennifer,
First, in answer to your question about how others get their partners to acknowledge, take ownership, stop blaming others, I feel we can't make that happen. Our partners have to reach those conclusions on their own. After many years of me pointing out to my husband that his 'this time' excuse is his every time situation, he continues to see each event as a single instance, not as a pattern of his typical behaviors. Even though I have tried hard to stop nagging him, I just spent an entire month reminding him daily of a thing he promised to do. Every day he agreed in the morning, spent the entire day doing optional things that struck him at the moment, then every night he promised 'tomorrow'. In the end I got only part of what he committed to do. On this site, we have people posting whose partners are not taking charge of changing themselves. I would be surprised if you find 'success stories' among the public posts. I agree that Melissa is the one who can give you the best input.
Regarding your cancer, I am sorry to hear that. Several years ago I was diagnosed with a cancer that is rarely survived, and I am one of the lucky ones. Fortunately my husband was very attentive to me during chemo and recovery, actually overprotective of me. I had to push to not be treated like an invalid and not be waited on constantly. After all the times I was ignored during minor illnesses, it was an astonishing change. I hope your partner will be capable of at least that much change. I see you are very realistic and know it is not likely much change will happen. Have you considered letting some things go and seeing if your partner will pick them up without being asked? At this moment, my husband is doing some housework! I got sick and tired of so many things falling to me. In these pandemic times of no visitors, I'm letting the house get messy, and I'm finding certain things bother him enough that he does them before I reach my limit and do them. That's a nice discovery.
All the best,
Angie
Hi Jen...
Submitted by c ur self on
How did you get here? How did we all get here?
Special needs adults, and what they are capable of? The question so many men and women never ask (did not know they needed to ask) before going to the alter with their spouse...(They look normal, and they can behave normally at times)...This web site is full of men and women who's spouse's, for the most part, aren't capable of being that normal functioning thoughtful and responsible adult we all need for a marriage to work and grow long term....
When you can't trust the mind (thoughts, and behaviors) of your spouse, you better not....But, so many of us do...You, like many who post, or have posted here, mention the "good" attributes that your spouse possesses.....Which is, I know first hand, correct...My spouse has many good traits...(Traits that can be fun and entertaining, like a happy child)... Very few of which makes her a candidate for the responsibilities that are associated with adult life as a marriage partner...(Big Picture living)
The reason you are fighting and arguing with him is because you still want him to be someone he isn't capable of being (or would never choose to be)...That's what he is showing you with his living of life, and that's what he is trying to tell you when you confront and point out his lack of responsible behavior....
He, like my wife, and many more here know they need to be different...(may admit it in calm moments) They may agree with the standard (accountability as a normal spouse, the same things we expect of ourselves) we place on them...But they will fail to follow through most of the time, even if they promise not to...Why?....Like a special needs child, they have a special needs mind...This is why most of us who are some what normal thinkers, (can see and respond to the big picture of life) who place expectations on ourselves to work, be responsible, and attempt to do the right things in life, must accept our spouses handicap of mind...My spouse when judged by me is lazy, (unless its entertaining for her) she is irresponsible, she seeks to control or manipulative to get her way...Her mind isn't capable of not being self-absorbed, it 95% of the time only see's through the lens of "what is GOOD for me....Entertainment, Travel, Nice Restaurants, Family Fun,.....Any thing but the mundane things that count for responsible living....(If she wants sex or a massage, it's wonderful, If I want it, she's a complaining victim) (handicap of mind, that must be accepted, or I endure self inflicted suffering because I want something that isn't available in her mind.....
I've learned to leave her alone, so I can have a peaceful life....I've placed boundaries on myself to never allow her behaviors to cause me anguish or stress...I would never get angry and loud with a special needs child....Yet I've done it way to often over the years with my special needs wife....
I will never answer for her behaviors, if they are intentional sin, that isn't on me, or for me to judge.....But my own sinful responses or actions toward her, I am, and will be held accountable for....Praise God for Jesus, and forgiveness of Sin!...I found out when i was fighting and arguing with her, I was cutting myself slack...Justifying my actions and words, simply because they were directed at her lack of responsibility as a wife.....NOT GOOD!
What is going on here?...I've learned that living with boundaries, acceptance of her reality of mind, love, kindness, and walking away without a word has done miracles for us....I've learned my wife carries a lot of shame from her past, and her limitation of mind....So her go to (denial) should have been expected when I (the so called, good one) started pouring out what she needed to do better or differently....Adults who's minds are high on the scale of add behaviors will always live a life that is hindered by that reality (disorganization, filter-less comments, an inability to simple throw stuff in the trash can, can't get up, can't go to sleep, self absorbed thinking, forgetting things, needy one minute, highly independent the next, Hyper focus, compulsive behaviors, easily addicted....
The majority of high level add people, in my experience really aren't good marriage candidates....Their lives work for them, but, it's not one that works well for a couple attempting to have a heathy attachment....
I'm sorry about the C, My first wife (of 30 years) passed away with breast cancer at age 49...She was a Christian, and her soul and spirit are home in Paradise, she has no needs any longer...My current wife had breast C also, but, she has been C free since 2007....I can't tell you how to make your husband own his behaviors...But, I can tell you that arguing and fighting will make sure he don't.....My wife takes ownership better than she ever has, because she know's a few things...I'm not going to argue or fight with her...She know's I don't need her, that I chose to love her.....The more I allow her to be accountable for her own actions, the more respect she has for our relationship...(even if she complains about it initially) .I don't enable or mother her any longer....We have boundaries that aren't negotiable....Mutual respect for life choices...Live and Let Live....
I will pray for your marriage, and I will pray for your peace, and health...Bless you
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