My husband is DX non-medicated (by choice, he refuses meds and therapy. I've been in solo therapy myself for several years). I've commented/posted here before, but feeling quite down with recent conflicts. Separation is not an option because I do love him and I refuse to lose my kid 50% of the time. Posting here to seek fellowship and maybe some ways to consider and approach our conflicts. I also want to emphasize that he is not an abuser per-say, but his behavior is abusive, if that makes sense.
Things fell off the rails when we had our kid several years ago, which coincided with a couple year span of job changes, moving house, the stress from the pandemic, and some serious medical concerns for me (I'm doing much better now). Up until that point, we were a typical in love young married couple. Yes, his ADHD (undiagnosed at the time) caused problems (looking back able to connect all the dots). It was not as impactful prior to the kid and his issues, mistakes, etc were less high stakes.
It's hard to know where to begin. And yet it really doesn't matter in an argument, because he assigns whatever tone, meaning, blame or twist to my words that fits his false memories anyway. I take great care, tiptoe on the eggshells, situate my face into the most neutrally kind expression possible, ask in advance ("is now an ok time to chat?") do lots of gentle sandwiching (starting with drawing attention to my request to chat/asking if its a good time, emphasize that I'm not mad at his actions, but I want to address something important that happened) and he will totally lose it and DARVO me. Most recently, my attempt to address an issue of communication between us as husband and wife. Trying to stay vague for privacy, but basically the issue is that he has started to make big decisions unilaterally without first having a discussion between us. These decisions affect our money and how we spend our time. He will agree to stuff without chatting with me first (we have a kid, everyone's schedule choices directly affect everyone else). I'm usually the last to find out if we are hosting a large group of people at our house (he will invite/confirm with everyone and then tell me AFTER THE FACT). He calls what he is doing as being "decisive." It has gotten so frustrating. He will make plans to go do X, and finalize/pay for those plans prior to running it by me first. I want to be very clear: my problem is NOT WITH HIM DOING X. My problem is with him making these decisions and plans without first having a touch-base conversation with me ("Hey-I want to do X this weekend. This is what time it is. That ok?), like I ALWAYS do with him. I have had so many "surprise solo parent" moments over the years its just the norm for me now. He DARVO's this by 1) Deny - "I did nothing wrong, I can make my own choices of how to spend my time and it's not that big of a deal anyway" 2) Attack - He will then immediately begin attacking my character. Calling me names, saying I have never supported him in our marriage, I do nothing but sit around all day, I complain about being a mother, I'm actually just too sensitive and need to relax 3) Reverse Victim/Offendor - He's actually the victim here because it is really me (wife) who has treated him like a second-class citizen for years, I hate all his hobbies, I never let him do anything, I'm so controlling so it is me (wife) who is the bad guy here, he is a victim of my mistreatment of him.
He cannot/is incapable of apology or accountability. The response I would love to me (wife) saying "Hey - I'm a little upset you didn't run [major plan] by me first. I'm not mad that you agreed to it, but I would like to communicate better in the future so we're all on the same page because you agreed to something and now I'm surprise solo parenting" would be something like this: "Wife, I am so sorry that you were caught off guard by my agreement to X plan. I'll make my best effort to remember to have a preliminary convo before agreeing with others/family/large group so that we can all have our needs met on the weekend." Obviously this never happens and an apology never comes. I get attacked for having too high of standards. I get screamed at for actions I did not do and thoughts I did not have. No amount of denial will dissuade him. He goes and does the thing, we are mad, and eventually time passes.
This specifically comes out during an ADHD meltdown. It is getting worse and more mean (not physical), to the point where the attacks on my character are too much. I spend time secretly crying. There is so much more that has happened. Every medical crisis I've had I have been screamed at for being too self-centered. Every holiday or event is ruined by a meltdown from the pressure. The crazy making part is that his narrative, and truth to him, is that it is my fault. My fault for asking for communication (is it really necessary if wife was going to agree it was ok to do X anyway?) asking for kindness when I'm in the hospital when he's been so unconformable in this chair all day. Logic and reasoning goes totally out the window. One time he fought me tooth and nail that I "wouldn't let him respond" and he "couldn't get a word in edgewise" over a TEXT message conversation. Another time I "Didn't care about him because I didn't respond to a text" when I was at an appointment for our kid.
I know how this all sounds and I know it is abusive behavior. I'm no saint and had my share of mess-ups but I ALWAYS say sorry and I model this with my kid all the time. I've done loads of personal therapy work. This ADHD abuse/conflict cycle happens when he is in a "thing." I can tell by his behavior and by his stimming when he's in a phase. It can sometimes last up to a month. I speak truthfully when I say we are deeply connected but I'm feeling so much more hurt each time. I don't understand why he cannot/will not apologize for anything.
This sounds familiar
Submitted by swampyankee on
I have been there and I can only say that the connection that is there between you will slowly get eaten away if he continues this behavior. As you've correctly named it, it is verbal and emotional abuse and it is taking a toll on your mental health. You don't deserve that. And neither did I. And those things aren't because of ADHD, although they are probably exacerbated by it. They stem from other personal issues he has.
I didn't correctly name it for what it was until several years into it, so it's only been the last few years in which I've been able to put my foot down and put down firm boundaries. I also got myself to the point, emotionally, where I don't care if he leaves or if he stays. But in order to get there, I had to break that connection you have right now. It's only been in the last few months, after he realized I was serious about leaving the relationship unless major changes happened, that he's truly begun to work on his issues. But one of his biggest issues with our relationship, now, is that his wife doesn't seem to like him or trust him.
I'm struggling to get those things back. Because I do like him, at the end of the day, when he's not being a jerk. I'm not sure I'll ever be able to trust him again. He may have lost that one forever.
So my advice isn't for you, actually. It's for your husband. If you want to keep the loving connection that you have with your spouse, go to therapy and figure out a way to work out those issues without taking them out on your wife. Otherwise, eventually, both she and your kid will put up walls, and you will end up alone.
I empathize...
Submitted by Wispa on
I am a long time reader but this is my first comment. Non ADHD wife; unmedicated ADHD husband of 17 years, separated, I am currently homeless (on my best friends couch) following the mortgagee sale of our special 10 acres of land (not my doing or my choice). I want you to know that I empathize with you, that right now my heart feels and understands your pain, confusion, despair and is sending you a big bubble of pure Love that extends far beyond the length of your outstretched arms, it is a gentle, warm pink light wrapping entirely around you. Breathe the Love in because you are a wonderful, kind, loyal,caring person. You/We are special and so compassionate. Your/ Our resilience and strength is incredible. You/We are powerful,and important beyond measure, It is so freaking hard and heavy but there you stand, persevering for the good of your Others, protecting your Family, fighting for them, Your Integrity fuels the shining light that you are. You/We are wonderful.
Tonight I can only offer this message and I hope that it gives you - YOU some relief and lightens your load, even just a little.
I am so grateful for this site. To all of the amazing people who share their stories, the experiences, know that you are appreciated and loved and incredibly important..
Impossible task
Submitted by Swedish coast on
So sorry about your difficulties. It seems to me like your partner doesn't respect you. I'm sure you do love this man as you claim, but does he have any love for you?
I too am the non-ADD wife under stress and do not see separation as an option at the moment (trying to do what is best for the children). However, the abuse and disrespect you describe I wouldn't accept.
I think your husband needs to experience some pain of his own when he abuses your integrity. He should learn that if he invites guests that you haven't consented to, you will quietly leave town for the weekend. He should be allowed the embarrassment of guests arriving to an empty house, no hostess, no decorations, no food.
When he argues without logic, he shouldn't get the impression that there is any.
And when he doesn't support you in illness, I would hope for your friends and relatives to tell him off.
We tend to bend and mold to the craziness of our partner's ADHD. I've done it too much. But it's been an awakening to discover that if I truly refuse to accept something, my partner will (not in the heat of the moment, but later) acknowledge the issue.
Last time he had an awful day and lashed out I said: "This has a name. It's a syndrome. It's not my tone of voice that is the issue here." A couple of days later, he called his psychiatrist and they started out new medication.
Please don't enable his terrible behavior. Don't use your precious strength to cover for him. Let him hang high and dry when he mistreats you.
My best wishes to you. You must be such a strong person, having managed this, and so loving.
Sorry you are going through this, but you are strong.
Submitted by kosty on
My husband is the same, and I don't want a divorce either, I love him. But what I have learned in a years time are several things and I hope they will help you. 1.) You MUST take care of yourself. 2.) You must grieve your marriage, because it will never be what you expected it to be. 2.) Let go of him and trying to control him. 3.) Realize that you can't talk to him about anything, you must keep all statements/conversations short and sweet. 4.) It looks like some boundaries need to be put in place about making plans, if he doesn't ask you do you have to do it??? 5.) When I attaches your character, I would just walk away or say don't project your emotions onto me, I know who I am and what my truth is. 6.) You need to let go of him emotionally. 7.) Unfortunately he may never apologize or if he does he won't mean it. 8.) You need to try and change your mindset, on how you want your journey/life to go. 9) Get back in touch with God & 10.) Try Meditation it works wonders.
I have been on a journey of peace, happiness, letting go, not controlling, releasing, ect, and it has been wonderful.
I wish you all the luck, here if you need to talk.