Some context:
We are hosting a housewarming party in two days, which has put both of us into overdrive with preparations. We are both doing a lot to prep, plan, and clean. He has a big meal planned, I am making dessert and did the shopping, and we are both cleaning. We worked together to complete our new deck and patio before the party; He built it, I just finished staining it. Since it is a backyard party, I also want to showcase our beautiful gardens. The problem is that I have been putting off tending to the backyard gardens, and they have gotten really overgrown and weedy. I started working on them on Sunday and found it would take much more effort than I anticipated. So, I began working on them every spare moment I could: waking up early, during lunch, after work, and staying up late. I feel overwhelmed by how much there is to do, and I've let that stress spill over, making me more prone to tears. I'm upset that rooms I previously cleaned and tidied are messy again. My partner has been very nice, comforting, and supportive.
Then, all of a sudden, he withdrew. We have had many discussions recently about strengthening our connection, but he barely communicated with me, saying he was burnt out. I even tried to hold his hand while we were watching TV, and he replied, "I just can't."
This hurt my feelings and triggered an anxious attachment response in me; I began to feel very unhappy with how he was pulling away without explaining why. This went on for two days (we struggled to find time to talk about it because we were both so busy and tired), and eventually, it boiled over.
I woke up on my birthday yesterday, got ready for work and waited for him to wake up for his day. I was expecting a bit of excitement, like a "Hey! Happy birthday!" followed by a big hug and kiss.
He got up, said hey, and nothing more. I didn't wait long to bring it up since I was on my way out the door. I looked at him expectantly, and he asked, "What?" I said, "I think you're forgetting something..." and he, somewhat put out, said, "Yeah... happy birthday?"
I felt so disappointed and let down. He had already been pulling away, and now, not even on my birthday, could he muster enough energy to pretend to be happy to see me.
I told him I was upset by that reaction, and he immediately jumped into defensive mode, saying, "I planned our whole night tonight, I came up with other nice birthday plans for you, what do you want? Is nothing ever good enough?"
I left, got in the car and was upset, came back into the house, and expressed that it wasn’t sitting right with me, explaining why I was disappointed (through discussing our connection, we agreed to voice our feelings when we were upset rather than swallow them). All I needed was a big hug, a kiss, a smile, and a happy birthday wish.
He capitulated but then reiterated that he felt he had already done a lot. I left feeling dejected and cried on my way to work.
I started receiving a lot of messages and love from friends and family, which lifted my spirits. As my mood improved, I felt like I might have been a bit of a birthday brat. He had done many nice things for my birthday, and I might have seemed unappreciative.
I sent a text expressing that sentiment, apologizing for making him feel unappreciated. I mentioned I was just saddened by his reaction and that we had agreed to communicate when we were upset. I said I loved and appreciated him.
He never responded.
When I got home after work, we had about an hour and a half before meeting friends for dinner and a concert (which he had planned).
He was still distant. Cordial, but distant. When I mentioned that lunch with my friend had been nice, he replied, "Oh, great."
In my mind, I was thinking, how can we SOLVE THIS? I CAN'T STAND being in each other's presence without really talking or being connected.
So I asked if he wanted to talk about this morning. He said sure.
I sought to understand, trying to use curiosity to dissuade my anger (things I'm learning in therapy). I asked what he was feeling this morning and how it felt for him, etc. We revisited much of our earlier conversation, but I mentioned how he had been withdrawn for a couple of days and that I thought it contributed to my reaction. He mentioned he had been feeling a certain way, which affected his behavior that morning. He then explained how he has been acting towards me.
He told me that when I procrastinate on something, then get stressed as it nears the deadline, it creates a sense of stress around me that makes him uneasy. This is because a) he might have to take on tasks I would normally handle while I deal with my stress, and b) he just gets stressed being around me.
Okay, fair on some points... (I haven't made him do anything extra in the recent situation involving the housewarming party and gardening issue.)
So, if I haven't made him do anything extra, it’s just that being around me when I'm stressed is stressful for him.
He then mentioned that he has told me many times how uncomfortable it makes him when I leave things to the last minute. He feels that I refuse to change, that I don't listen, and clearly don't care about how it affects him; I just continue doing what I want.
He referenced a post he saw on Reddit where a man said his wife complained often, and he started leaving the room when she did, causing her to stop complaining. I thought... this is absurd. He’s taking relationship advice from Reddit? Did this man communicate with his wife? Did he explain why he was leaving? Or did he just train her behavior out of her, thinking that was a good tactic?
So my partner decided to implement the same strategy. When I leave something to the last minute and become stressed dealing with it, he's going to "remove himself from the situation," meaning he won't talk to me, hug me, or hold my hand. He said, "even the reminder that you exist stresses me out."
I... try to respond, but I am somewhat left speechless. I ask a few more clarifying questions but struggle to provide constructive feedback. I'm basically appalled by this decision. He can see I'm grappling with how to respond, and he says, "It's not really a discussion. This is what I'm going to do. I've tried talking to you and communicating, and I’ve told you how it affects me. You don't care. You just keep doing what you want, and you clearly always will."
I'm still at a loss. I say okay and leave to process my thoughts. I go upstairs and begin to cry intensely. I have ADHD, a neurological disorder that makes it challenging to conceptualize and execute long-term projects, recognize how long something will take, or focus on the future while letting go of immediate problems. I feel immense shame, sadness, and desperation when I procrastinate and struggle to finish things on time. Additionally, I have taken the initiative to seek help, have been medicated, and have made significant progress. He is upset because I left the gardening to the last minute, but I also planned, shopped for, packed, and executed a five-day backcountry camping trip for us (including dehydrating our meals). I applied for a job and submitted the application three days before the deadline, finished staining the deck five days before our party, and did all the planning and shopping for our party three days in advance. This is all just in September. Yet because I procrastinated working on the garden, and, because it's important to me that our garden looks nice during our backyard party, I have spent every waking moment out there feeling overwhelmed, yet I am treated as if I have made no progress or effort to change that part of myself. Worst of all, I've allowed it to affect him simply by being stressed.
I can't help but feel like it's a punishment. Withholding love as a tactic to get me to change behavior he does not like. I find this extremely troubling.
I gather myself and leave the bathroom. He can tell I've been crying and prompts the conversation again. I tell him essentially what I just explained. That it feels like punishment for something with which I already struggle and feel such shame about—not something I "want to do" or "get to keep doing."
He is adamant that it doesn't matter why I do it. It affects him negatively, so he needs to withdraw. It's about protecting his sanity and peace—it's not a punishment. I can understand that; I can see his perspective. However, he continues to assert, "because you refuse to change." I tell him that if that's his core argument for this new "method," then it is unfounded. I have made significant progress, and I've worked incredibly hard to change. I have participated in therapy, received an ADHD diagnosis, and been medicated. I was content living with it when it only affected me, but I sought help because of its impact on my partner and our relationship, as well as to ensure it wasn't unfair for him to deal with these aspects of me when I had accepted them.
So, what I'm left thinking is: You've tried hard to change, you've made great progress, you work really hard, you do many things well. But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. Because if you slip up—and you will, because you're human—your partner will resent you, withdraw from you, and will not support you. In fact, he will be angry with you for doing this to yourself and him. Ultimately, the outcome of your actions affects him negatively, making it the worst thing you could do in his eyes. I don't care how many positive things there have been; if you mess up like this, you’re a bad partner who chooses not to change and simply does what she wants with no regard for his feelings.
I express my perspective to him (not in so many words). He remains unmoved. I ask if it's just self-preservation, can he please at least communicate what is happening when he feels the need to withdraw? Let me know, "I'm feeling overwhelmed by your stress, and until you have it under control, we should have some space between us." Without that information, I continue trying to talk to him, kiss him, or hold his hand, and I get rejected. My bids for connection are dismissed, and it’s incredibly painful. If he has made a conscious decision to distance himself, I deserve to know so I can accept it and suggest that we take some time apart and reconvene in a couple of days.
He thinks for a long moment, sighs, and agrees. He says, "But don't make me do anything else. Don't keep piling on things for me to do."
I tell him all I'm asking for is basic communication. He scoffs, stating that he has tried communicating and has now resorted to this because I refuse to change.
This is when I tell him that his argument is invalid and provide evidence of my progress, etc. He merely responds with a nonchalant "whatever," expressing disbelief in my progress.
It's my birthday. We go out for drinks and attend a concert. We hold hands and kiss, but I feel reluctant to be around him. I feel abandoned, unseen, and misunderstood. I fear having a child with him — how will he treat a stressed and anxious kid? How will he respond to their behavior? Will he silently withdraw and withhold love and affection? Will they grow up thinking they cannot express feelings of anxiety or stress because it means their father cannot be around them?
This is how I feel now. I worry that next time I mess up, procrastinate, and have to rush to complete something, I should hide my feelings so I do not upset him and jeopardize his love.
When things are good, I feel so at home and in love with him and our life together. I love so much about him. I am genuinely happy.
However, I think these issues might be things I cannot ignore, and they will only worsen. He already resents me. I am struggling with his reactions to certain situations. How long will we continue in this manner, and how could I possibly bring a child into this dynamic?
this sounds so difficult
Submitted by honestly on
I wrote a long and complicated reply here, but in short, the problem is that he won't talk and till you get him talking you can't fix anything, and you know this already!
But I wanted to express my sympathy. It sounds very upsetting for you and clearly you are trying to communicate and connect with him and it's very distressing that he's gone cold on you. I'm sorry.
I have been with someone with ADHD for 25 years, so I do know that burnout for the non-ADHD spouse is real, and that at times we have to employ strategies to cope, and preserve ourselves. It's making me reflect on my own coping strategies and my husband's behaviour, but I think we're rather different as my husband's ADHD is extreme inattentive, so he doesn't really notice me or how I'm feeling.
I wonder, do you notice your partner, fully? Do you register how he's feeling on a day to day basis? I mean when it's not a crisis. Because a crisis is the only time my husband becomes at all aware of how I'm feeling. I wonder if your hyperfocus - every minute spent on flowerbeds- leaves him feeling lonely and isolated himself.
I do wonder also if it might be helpful to you to reflect a little on priorities. It's interesting to me what you let yourself get stressed about. To my mind, though this may be a cultural difference, a housewarming party could happen in a half decorated shell of a building with a wilderness of a back garden; what matters is bringing friends and family into your home and celebrating that milestone and the love that makes that home real - certainly in my country / community/ amongst my friends it is more like this, rather than displaying a perfect home. I suspect the need for things to be perfect is an anguish you are causing yourself unnecessarily. It could be ADHD hyperfocus or you might have a touch of perfectionism for whatever reason (a critical or narcissistic parent perhaps?) that maybe you could get help with in counselling. This would also be something to try and get a handle on before parenthood. Rooms do get messy the minute you turn away.
But a key factor here is, IMHO, whether his lack of communication is because he can't talk or he won't talk. Neither is great, tbh, but at least if it's 'can't' then it's more about burnout than deliberate, controlling, emotional withdrawal. I know I have carried a lot and often felt overwhelmed and desperate in my relationship. If my OH had actually ever wanted to understand how I felt, and heard me, rather than just acting with RSD defensiveness to any cry for help, we would not be where we are now. So I celebrate your efforts there - it is more than I have ever received. You deserve to have your call for greater understanding met.
It is an aside but, whilst he is behaving coldly towards you, it doesn't mean he would be like this with a child with ADHD. I struggle in my relationship with my husband but not in my relationship with my kids, and I suspect inattentive ADHD in the elder (21) now we have a diagnosis for his dad. My husband has previously said that I ought to have the same patience with him that I do with my kids. I'm not at all an impatient person, but I can't extend this to him, because I need him to step up as my partner, not be dependent as my child. That's by the by though, as this kind of emotional withdrawal is not something you would want to model to a child anyway.
It is worth considering that your partner has been watching your extreme stress over small things, at what could be a simple, joyous occasion, and having similar fears to you - what happens when you put a child in this mix?
I'm afraid the only way forward is the one you are already attempting- getting him to talk.
Good luck.
x
Yeah....
Submitted by J on
walls are made to keep people out Honestly.
Unhappiness
Submitted by Swedish coast on
So sorry Bluehive. This sounds as if both you and your partner are deeply unhappy.
Your ambitions for having a rich and fun life together are impressive - in my marriage all the things you mention, parties, birthdays celebrated out, hiking trips - have been impossible. Of course we do have several children. That puts a relationship under significant stress.
I reflect on the unhappiness. It seems to me if the two of you want to feel at ease and trustful around one another, you might need to redefine your projects and have realistic expectations of what can be done without stress taking over. It might mean doing fewer things. It might mean dividing work differently. It might include a new set of standards that you can share.
My severe ADD husband of 20 years and I never could agree on standards for most things. It wasn't visible before we had children. But after, it was painful that he wanted to do almost nothing, and I always had high ambitions for everything. Nutrition, social life, exercise, experiences, travel, the lot. We were deeply unhappy too.
If I had a chance of doing this over, I'd carefully explore how to make things in the relationship work. I'd try to compromise about standards. I would let every project hang in the air unfinished (cancel the housewarming party) until I found a way for my partner and me to do it together as a team and enjoy it.
The warmth in your house will in the end only come from the two of you.
If I'd done that, it's very probable I would have given up on the relationship early on. But it would have been better than just pushing through life, trying to fulfill my own ambitions in our family without him, and having a miserable relationship, like I did.
Please don't hurt yourself by bringing children into the picture until your relationship is solid and you are both happy. Children make life so much more difficult.
I hope for the very best for you.