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Hi, I have high functioning ASD (I just got myself diagnosed a few years ago) and my wife has self-diagnosed ADD (but officially undiagnosed). We just got married a few years ago.
We couldn’t be more opposite in nearly everything. Personality. Interests. Hobbies. Lifestyle. Parenting. Finances. Time. Sleep. Expectations. Organisation. Food. It seems like our brains are wired so differently and our preferences are so different that we clash on the tiniest things, we get so frustrated at each other, and then our ways of dealing with conflict are so different that we get even more hurt & offended whenever we try to talk about the problems. At first she would yell at me loudly and storm off like a child, and I would retreat in shock or try to calmly listen & understand.
Eventually I got frustrated at her constantly ignoring me & never listening, so I started to stand up for myself more. Then we started to have giant shouting matches, and it seemed like i couldn’t say one thing different to her opinion/way of doing things without it leading to a giant argument. A lot of our dates were ruined by the same old arguments over and over. Often it was over miscommunications and trivial issues. I’ve never liked conflict & grew up in a peaceful home, and the only other time I experienced this kind of toxic arguing was once with an ADHD friend. But I found myself more and more drawn into this unhealthy pattern, and I think I contributed because I never knew how to handle intense conflict before in my life, so as I learnt how to stand up for myself, I sometimes didn’t know how to express my anger appropriately. Often I was ashamed of how we argued. But she would tell me that everything is fine, it wasn’t arguing, it just felt normal to her.
She also would never express empathy if I was trying to communicate that she had hurt me. Instead she’d always find a way to twist it around to be all about her, and say I’m jusging and accusing her - all the while being very free to make everything my fault and never admit any responsibility for any problems. But she would DEMAND that I say sorry for things! No apologies, no admitting when she’s wrong, though she is slowly improving in this. She started saying sorry this year. And for the first time in our whole marriage she was the first one to say sorry a few weeks ago!
Thankfully we’re getting somewhat better at stopping arguments now and we switch to talk about something positive instead. But it seems like we can just never see eye to eye. Differences get avoided if i do things her way. But it’s slowly killing me having my needs and wants constantly ignored over time. I’ve stopped doing all the hobbies i love. I feel emotionally numbed and can’t really feel anything, except sometimes a terrible, sick in the stomach feeling. I have been very careful to keep issues private and not publicly say anything bad about her, the only chance I’ve had to unburden and get help was to share in private with a few close trusted friends. But she was super offended by that and she thinks I was spreading lies about her to everyone. I found out she was paranoid, secretly checking all my emails and messages and everything. Now I feel trapped, unable to get help for either of us. She forces me to be fake to my friends and family and pretend everything is okay. But she feels free to frequently say all kinds of bad things about my parents behind their back, even though they’ve been incredibly generous to her too.
I still keep trying to be kind and gracious to her. I thought maybe she needs a good role model to learn how to say sorry and understand, empathise and encourage others. She has experienced too much rejection & conflict in life. So I resolved a few times to just hold my perspective inside and try to affirm her. But it seems like unless I make a lot of noise than nothing changes. I tried encouraging her to Get her ADD diagnosed (she first told me about it) but she said it doesn’t affect her much and she wishes she’d never mentioned it to me.
I also try to help her understand the perspective of others when she concludes that they are judging or attacking her just based on some unrelated neutral statement. It’s like anything which ‘can’ be interpreted negatively, even in the slightest way, is taken automatically as a huge offence. It doesn’t matter if someone explains that they didn’t mean it that way. Sometimes SHE tries to explain to ME what I really meant or what I really said or what my real motives are. And claims that I think I’m always right because I know what I said and she misheard/misunderstood it.
I really feel confused. She is normally a very kind, respectful, peaceful, social person in public and with other people. And I know she has good character traits like being gracious, quick to forgive, loyal, generous, hard working. I don’t know if this is RSD / extreme sensitivity to rejection. Is it emotional abuse? Am I being manipulated? Or is it just a symptom of ADD and she just isn’t able to understand empathy and other people’s perspectives? Maybe it’s all a reaction to her perception that I’ve broken her trust. She had told me that she is incapable of feeling empathy or even learning it. How is that possible? Even with my autistic struggles with emotions, I can still feel very strong empathy at times and my close friends consider me to be a very supportive person.
Now I know that autism can often cause problems in marriage too. So to be fair, I don’t always get humour (but i can still crack a hilarious joke sometimes), I’m slow to learn social norms (but have many strong friendships), and I struggle with multitasking (but I’m still organised enough to keep a full time career). I have poor fashion sense and I have a few weird quirks. I can be indecisive and forgetful. But I am aware of my issues and actively trying to improve them. And I’m open to receive feedback and advice about these things so I can improve myself.
Please help me understand what’s going on! And how to improve things. The one thing she’s said she’s open to is seeing a marriage counsellor together.
Welcome
Submitted by Quercus McGurkus on
Hi GentleMan,
I'm sorry for the pain you are having in your relationship. I don't struggle with ASD but can imagine it makes life and relating to others very stressful.
I have ADHD and am bi-polar and can relate to your post. At times I've responded like your partner and at others like you say you've responded.
What I've been told by my counselor and my therapist is to focus on my actions, attitude, and words. For me that has meant owning my actions etc., and trying to see how they affect my wife and how the years of undiagnosed and unmedicated mental illness can hurt another person.
I'm
very tempted to say "But she did/said XYZ" to justify my own actions. A lot of times her words or actions that are hurtful are driven by something I've done and she is at her wits end. It doesn't make those things ok but it does mean that I can learn to empathize with her and not automatically defend myself.
I've had to learn to set boundaries and be ok with her boundaries as well. That is very hard for me and I don't do it well but I'm getting there.
It's great she will go to couples counseling with you. We just started and having a third party is very slowly helping us see each other's point and hear each other.
For me, owning my problems, being humble, learning to listen, and working on my own change has helped move us out of the bad spot we were in. It's taken about 2 years to do so; it took 23 years to get there so things won't get better overnight.
I'd say take a deep breath, read Melissa's book(s) and see if your partner would do the couple's seminar this fall. Our counselor told us that marriages can survive mental illness and ADHD as long as both people were willing to work to grow and change. It sounds like you are doing that and that your partner wants to,perhaps, if she is willing to do couples counseling with you.
This is a great community to be a part of. I've learned quite a bit from the wise people on here,
QM
Read "Stop Walking on
Submitted by AlleyOop23 on
Read "Stop Walking on Eggshells" by Mason and Kreger and see if it resonates. Also read "the Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans and see what you think about that.
Everyone has the right to be treated with Kindness and Respect.
Afraid I don’t really have
Submitted by GentleMan on
Afraid I don’t really have time to read these days (I would love to), but I did google those topics and I relate to nearly all of it. I’m just not sure what to do about it now.
In one of the books
Submitted by AlleyOop23 on
They say you go through the grieving pattern - denial anger sadness bargaining and acceptance. Somewhere in there I believe you'll come to clarity of action. Reading this thread it seems you have.
Thanks for the comments &
Submitted by GentleMan on
Thanks for the comments & encouragements. Thanks for listening! I have not said everything yet. What is hugely complicating things is that she has teenage kids too, and she is a very dedicated, caring and hard working mum. She’s done an admirable job raising them all by herself. But the problem is she has little to no boundaries with them. No discipline, no house rules, they don’t respect her and definitely not me, and they demand 90% of her time. They won’t take no for an answer and always get their way or it’s a big drama. We have very different ideas of parenting, and I have learnt that I can’t just come in and suddenly change everything, so I try to gently nudge things in new directions but at the same time adapt myself a lot to fit into my new family dynamic. But I feel like for our marriage to work, some things need to change. But she fights against me and sides with the kids any time I try to change these dynamics. Every time that happens it makes me feel hopeless, like nothing is going to change for the better.
I feel like I mentally and
Submitted by GentleMan on
I feel like I mentally and emotionally can’t take this anymore. I have been very patient with her, changed a lot of things for her, and given her years to change and grow, and been careful to speak well of her to friends and family to not hurt her relationships because of all this. But I find myself not even really believing if she truly wants to change or if it’s all just another show. Last time I felt this bad it led to depression. My self esteem & emotion is just crushed when I’m around her, but I feel back to normal if I’m around other people.
All my friends consider me one of the most caring, listening and understanding people they know. Friends trust me with their problems. I just can’t believe my wife when she makes comments like I am the cause of 100% of our problems, then a few minutes later denies that she ever said that. I don’t think I can keep my sanity any longer without telling someone what we’re going through and not being fearful that she will blow up at me for trying to get us help! Maybe for some people, they only learn through tough love. I’m feeling like my only option left is to make myself heard through actions now, not words.
Actions not words
Submitted by adhd32 on
Yes, it's another way of saying boundaries. When she makes excuses (words) you need boundaries (actions). Hold her accountable regardless of what you think her reaction will be. From my experience, promises to change are meaningless, my actions (like walking away from abusive language or rude behavior in public) get through loud and clear. Buckle up, it's a bumpy ride in the beginning when you stop enabling their behavior by enforcing your boundaries.
Empathy
Submitted by 1Melody1 on
I feel like when dealing with someone else's condition impacts YOUR own health wellbeing to the degree you describe, you're not wrong to wonder if you can go on like this. Having said that, if you still feel like you want to improve things and she's willing to go to a counsellor (and do the work!), it's worth a try.
Of all the ADHD symptoms my ex had, lack of empathy was the one that made everything extra hard to deal with. No matter the situation, he simply could not put himself in my shoes (or someone else's). As a result, no perspective but his could ever matter or get through to him. This stark lack of empathy contributed to his inability to see his impact on others around him. Whether it was the impulsive remarks, the constant mess, the broken promises, crossing boundaries repeatedly... etc., etc., ... without empathy, he had no care about how any of it affected me, our daughter or our extended circle. I really feel like working on empathy if it's lacking is a key to improving ADHD relationships.
Yes the lack of empathy is
Submitted by GentleMan on
Yes the lack of empathy is just slowly eating away at me. I continually try my best to show her empathy, hoping she will learn. But it’s like she’s incapable of understanding another persons perspective. And so when I have something to communicate that’s different to her point of view, she takes it as a personal rejection. How do we make any progress with that ?