The first and last time I posted here was four years ago. My ADHD-husband wasn't on medication at the time, but had finally agreed to go on Adderall. That seems like an entire lifetime ago.
We've now been together for 16 years, and when I read my original post, I can't believe how little has changed in our relationship dynamic. He wasn't diagnosed until about five years ago, refused to go on medication for a while, and once he did get on it, he then quit after about a year and a half. During the time he was on it, he refused to get counseling, so while his behavior in every day life improved (as far as work and managing home tasks was concerned), his anger, frustration and lashing out in our arguments didn't. We became better friends, but we never truly re-established a loving and mutually supportive relationship.
Then, he stopped taking Adderall for almost a year, and that was a very destructive time in our marriage. I was anxious all the time, I couldn't talk to him at all, and I pulled away even more and became closed off in an effort to protect myself from his rollercoaster moods. I begged him the entire year to get back on medication, but he refused and it would cause nasty fights. He would take my requests as a "sign" that I don't like him and want him to change himself as a person. To top it off, against my gut instinct, I got pregnant. I wanted a baby though, so it was my choice, even though I had a feeling what would happen. My pregnancy was utter chaos, as he was not equipped to handle preparing for a baby while not being on meds, and he definitely wasn't prepared to handle my needs. I ended up taking off and spending a few days at my mom's when I was six months pregnant. Not an easy or fun thing to do.
I returned home, but things still didn't improve, and our fights got more intense as I was pushed more and more. He got back on medication finally, Vyvanse, and again, his daily life improved, but our relationship didn't. As it got closer to my due date, I actually had to ask him not to start conflict with me so that I could be emotionally prepared for the labor. And then my labor ended up being over 60 hours, and ended with a traumatic C-section.
Once our son was born, things improved a little. He was still impatient and got easily flustered during the long nights with a newborn, but he was loving and attentive. That didn't last long. He went on a business trip when the baby was 5 weeks old, and while I know that he missed us greatly, I was hurt that as the week went on, he didn't call or check in as much. He was out at party events drinking and seemed to forget about me. I was still recovering from surgery, and was emotional and sleep-deprived, and when he got home I told him my feelings were hurt. I wasn't angry and I didn't want anything other than a hug and some understanding. He lost his cool immediately (my guess is because he felt guilty) and got angry with me, and it started a days-long fight. Ever since then, things have been steadily down-hill.
We realized after some hideous outbursts that Vyvanse was causing him to go into fits of rage, so he switched back to Adderall about two months ago, but the damage is done. He crossed lines he'd never crossed before with name-calling and blaming and storming around the house. He doesn't understand that my trust has been broken and that it would take time to heal, and that our intimacy goes hand-in-hand with that. Instead, he is bitter and resentful that I don't trust him or feel closer to him, and lashes out instead of trying to understand my feelings. During the time he was on Vyvanse, he also saw a therapist a couple of times, but the problem was that she didn't specialize in ADHD. So enabled him to feel entitled to his emotions, and supported his statements that it was because of our relationship that he never "felt like a real person" (as opposed to the fact that he had a late ADHD diagnosis). Having that kind of reinforcement made the anger 10x worse, and helped him push all personal responsibility on to me and our marriage. Anytime he feels lonely or hurt or angry, or upset for any reason really, he finds a way to lash out at me. And it doesn't matter what I say or how I say it, or if I try not to say anything at all. I'm damned if I do and I'm damned if I don't.
Basically for the past three months, any time we talk about our relationship, it ends in destruction. He loses his temper almost immediately, and starts throwing me and our marriage under the bus. Last week I had to leave for 5 days with my son because the tensions were too high. I decided at that time that if my husband didn't want to seek help to better express his anger and frustration, that I was going to leave. I don't want my son growing up with that as an example of a marital relationship, and I just don't have the emotional capacity anymore to untangle this mess. And of course, my husband doesn't want to seek help because he claims it's compromising himself, and he just wants to be who he is. He doesn't see that this pattern will repeat itself whether he's with me or not, because it's not about our relationship...it's about the host of things going on in his head and his inability to articulate what he wants and needs in a productive way.
This week, we've been in a holding pattern. I've essentially made up my mind and there's little that can be done to change it. We have a counseling appointment on Thursday where we're going to talk about some of these things, and I'm nervous about how it will go. The last couple's appt I went to was with his therapist 3 months ago. And we spent almost the whole time talking about how I need to respect the fact that my driving makes him anxious, and basically no time talking about how his anger and rage are deal-breakers for me. He keeps oscillating between loving me and not wanting to lose me, and hating me and wanting this relationship to be over. He's so confused, and I don't think the reality of the situation has hit him at all. I'm just trying my best to keep the peace until Thursday when we can talk more freely in the presence of a third party.
I have a few ideas for what I will do after separation. It's just so frustrating and such a shame. But in the end, I realized that you can't help someone know themselves better. He has to see it, and want it. I know how he feels about me on the inside, and I know how he feels about our son. I have a feeling it will hit him like a ton of bricks when we're not there anymore.
If you made it this far, sorry this turned out so long. I'm just looking for support and needed a place to tell my story to people who might understand it. Thanks for reading.
It's interesting (and sad)
Submitted by MFrances on
It's interesting (and sad) that you have that perspective of reading your post from 4 years ago and how not much has changed. I've only been on the forum for about 6 months, I wonder what I will think a year or more from now. My husband is similar. On Adderall, you put it so perfectly-it helps with the day to day stuff but not the anger or emotions. And he does not get that I have been hurt and I'm angry and that has been years in the making and won't go away overnight. My husband is in therapy and I too think he (the therapist) does not specialize in ADHD and I'm not sure how helpful he is. I often feel like I am being attacked during his sessions (I don't attend-this is from what my husband tells me they talk about)-I feel my husband blames me and the therapist believes him. Like they are meeting to try to change my behavior when they should be meeting to change his behavior. Very damaging-especially with an ADHD individual who already blames everything on everyone else-the therapist is feeding right into that. I hope that your separation is the rock bottom that will make your husband seek help and really work on your relationship.
Hi vbug2010
Submitted by c ur self on
Reading your post, I want to say I am sorry your marriage has gotten to this point...I hear many similarities to my and my wife's past...So I want to leave one thought with you based on my experiences. It was impossible for me to see my self...due to my bitterness....Counseling and time apart did allow me some peaceful days so I could deal with my own issues...but as a couple we could never go forward until we stopped using each other as our excuses to blame and be angry. My wife will probably always have behaviors that leave me in shock from time to time...But I realized I don't have to own them, nor she mine...But until the interruptions, bitterness, anger and desire to control ended or least was faced and owned...There was no hope...I hope your counseling is productive...and I hope both of you go there with humble hearts and a deep desire to puke up your own stuff...
Thanks for your comment, c ur
Submitted by vbug2010 on
Thanks for your comment, c ur self. What you're saying is absolutely true...I realized many times along the way that I needed to let go of my resentment and anger with him in order to receive him as he would like to be received. I went to him several times with olive branches, apologizing for shutting him out. I even apologized for holding a grudge against him after the business trip, because I realized my residual anger over the way he behaved was burdening me and our relationship. I've told him over and over again that I want to understand him better, that I want to listen, and that I want to give him what he needs. I truly felt that my heart was open to reconciliation and to accepting him as he wants to seen.
But each time I made myself vulnerable, once he lost his temper again, all of my efforts were for nothing. In his angry state, he claims that I don't try, I can't do anything right and I never have, despite the fact that I've been his biggest supporter for 16 years. When calm, he's said that he's a better person because of our relationship, but when he's mad, he just blindly lashes out. He has no filter and says and does hurtful things.
As much as I've tried to let go of the resentment, it keeps renewing because of his behavior. I feel so taken advantage of when he spends hours complaining about work to me, and I try to help him through it, and then literally that same night, he randomly gets angry and says, "You don't care about me, you never listen to me and you don't understand me!" I do take responsibility for my own actions and feelings, and I understand that's the best way to handle it. But I can't control what he does and I can't keep putting myself out there to get hurt over and over again.
This time, being true to myself is realizing that I don't have to accept being treated in this way, or be the doormat for someone's emotional baggage. I love him very much and hope that he can overcome his emotional burdens. I just can't keep doing the rollercoaster.
vbug2010...Your comment was key in my marriage...
Submitted by c ur self on
(When calm, he's said that he's a better person because of our relationship, but when he's mad, he just blindly lashes out. He has no filter and says and does hurtful things.) For me, this is where the battle has to be won...If I say I love my wife and I know this kind of behavior will show its ugly face from time to time...Am I going to be ready for it and just walk away so she has to own it? Or am I going to engage it and get emotional? I spent 4 years doing the later...No matter which one of us won the argument our marriage was always the loser...So after 10 months of counseling and 11 months a part... I had a lot of time to pray...I was so bitter...I would walk around the house talking to myself...giving her lectures...It was sad :(....So, I prayed for God to deliver me from the state I was in, and Praise the Lord he did...I never want to go back that way...So I purposed in my heart to never engage negativity and emotionally charged outbursts...And never be to proud to ask for forgiveness when I've been a butt hole... If my marriage ends for some reason, I just don't want to be mad, angry, bitter, or blaming when it does...Here's a little story: The first time I went to the counselor he ask me all about my marriage, so I opened up and told him...His comment to me was: "Man you haven't got a marriage, what you have needs took out in the back yard and shot". Well I got to thinking about that and it never did set just right in my heart...And finally after about 10 months of reading and praying....I realized he was wrong...When two people that are free to be married, vow to God to honor each other all there days they are in a perfect state of oneness and there marriage at that point is in a perfect state...What God does doesn't change...What changes is the heart of man... What had to die was me....
Don't die
Submitted by jennalemon on
c ur self, please re-think the stance of your last sentence. "What had to die was me..." I can tell you from experience that the noble effort of sacrifice will not do you well. It is what I did for decades. I grew up believing that sacrifice was love and was what I was supposed to do according to scripture. And I gave and gave and gave. What I gave was my self...to someone who didn't care or give back. You don't do anyone any good by letting go of self respect, sanity and pride.
Don't give your self away to someone who seems not to care.
Hi gennalemon thank you for your post...
Submitted by c ur self on
"What had to die was me..." This statement isn't about giving up my rights or my self respect...It's about where I was living, it was about my misguided trust in my thinking :-)....romans 8:6- For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
been there, done that
Submitted by vbug2010 on
Hi c ur self, thanks for the follow-up message. Trust me, I've been where you are now. Turning off my feelings and reactions so that I just don't engage the negativity; thinking that if I ignore what he's doing and tell myself that he can't help it, I'll be able to live with it. It didn't help me, and it didn't help him. He didn't own his behavior, he lashed out at me for ignoring him. He would provoke me for DAYS at a time, trying to get a rise out of me. He would claim that I don't understand him, and that I'm not trying to fix our relationship if I don't engage.
It's impossible to live like that for very long. I still do my very best to remain objective and calm, but I'm a person with feelings too, and they can't always be suppressed at the expense of myself. That's not what a marriage is to me. It should be a partnership where both people can hear each other and respect each other's feelings, not a situation where one person is always forced to deny their feelings in order to keep the peace. Both partners should take responsibility for their own behavior.
If your wife is the type to apologize and understand her actions later, then what you have might work. But my husband isn't. He gives a superficial apology and then justifies his behavior by pointing to things I did to "cause" it. His perception is frequently extremely skewed by his negative perception of himself, so he blames me for things I never did, said, or implied. To top it off, he doesn't see the positive things I try to do or appreciate how I make his life easier. That's an impossible situation for me to be in, because like I said originally, I'm damned if I do, and I'm damned if I don't.
If you don't get what you need from a relationship, the approach you have simply won't last very long or be very fulfilling. Trust me on this...after 16 years, I understand the dynamic. Best of luck to you.
"It Should be"
Submitted by c ur self on
"It Should be" This little statement has been the trouble maker all along...we all have a view of life (we can't help it, it's the product of the original sin from the garden, the knowledge of good and evil) that we adamantly proclaim..."This is how it should be" and we will fight you over it:)....Just read these posts awhile to see if I'm telling the truth..(I'm a person with feelings too, and they can't always be suppressed at the expense of myself.) Here is another of your statements I agree with...But, I had to ask myself this question..."How many times and much pain and hurt and the resulting bitterness am I willing to take on and endure in this futile attempt at trying to get this person I love to here me? How long? One year? Ten?"...someone who can do everything they desire...but can't set down with me and hear me, and show me they care in a way I think it should be, in my mind ;)..How long? What does God want for my life as a husband?...to beg her? to judge her? Fight for my rights? Or if I just love her (in the only way she may allow much of the time) and live in the realization that as a husband that is what I am called and vowed to do...Will he give me his peace regardless of what she does? Thank you for your post, and your kindness, but I'm not in a bad place or a place that want last...I have finally found a place where the circumstance's of this life is not what keeps me smiling and gives me my peace...It's not and never was the behaviors of add/adhd that was causing me such a miserable existence...It was my view of "How it should be"
My heart aches for you
Submitted by NJTWINMOM on
My story is similar. I look at all the years I have tried and tried and tried and all the time I have wasted, and I see others are going through it too, and it is heartbreaking. I am ALL FOR trying everything to make a marriage work. I have been to Melissa's workshop with my ADHD husband, I diagnosed him and got him to go on Adderall. I ask that he continue with seeing his Psychologist weekly and yet, so much damage has been done, I'm starting to see it's never going to be what it could have been...NEVER. I just won't live long enough with the baby steps (if that) that he is making.
I want MY LIFE. I love and adore my children, but they are 20. They are more mature, more "together", and more grown up already, than he will ever be. I am sad, then angry, then sad. This is what my life is and always will be unless I too, decide that "enough is enough"
Sometimes love just isn't enough :(
I wish you happiness and peace dear friend.
thank you
Submitted by vbug2010 on
Hi NJTWINMOM, thank you so much for your comment and support. I hope that you find happiness with your situation too.
Today is our counseling appointment, and we had a peaceful night last night. Of course, that was a sign in his eyes that everything can work, but what he doesn't see is how closed off I have to be to keep the peace. I would like to believe that he will see the light today in our session, but I don't have a lot of hope for that. He has told me in recent days that he doesn't trust himself to not act out and that he isn't willing to try cognitive behavior therapy or anything else because he thinks it's just "common sense."
The sad part is that he's such a good man and he deserves to be happy. I've struggled so much with my decision, but you're right, love isn't enough. In many ways, how you treat someone when you're mad at them is a more true test of how you feel about them. And having ADD isn't an excuse for bad behavior, especially when he simply tries to excuse it later rather than understand how actions have consequences.
Best of luck, friend.
Very, very similar situation
Submitted by lauren07 on
Very, very similar situation here too. So much rang true like the pregnancy and the "bad" counselor. I thought my leaving might change him, but six months later, not a darn thing had changed. He's a good man too. I just can't partner with him. It's too unfair to me.
Good luck!!