Just got blanked again....
This is a living-with-someone-with ADHD question. I doubt it's dealt with in the process of formal diagnosis. I'm not angry or frustrated, just curious to learn a factual answer about the gesture of blanking.
A person living with someone with ADHD on another site once used the term "getting blanked" by her spouse to describe the response of blank, when something was said, or shown by the other partner. I took that to mean that ordinarily in that kind of exchange, there's something that comes back, in response, and that nothing at all comes back. For example:
(Factual, but has implications for both spouses) "My boss told me that I might get a raise."
Or another example "Sorry I'm later than I said I'd be. The grocery lines were long and I ran into some road construction"
Some usual kinds of answers
"Hm."
"Good. Can't talk now."
"Yikes"
"I'm busy. Tell me more later"
"Where was the road construction?" ... "Interstate 72".... (that's it. No more talk intended or needed.)
.....not much needs to come back, to satisfy me in these ordinary exchanges. In a situation like this, to me I'm bringing factual news that in some way relates to my partner, not looking to start a conversation.
About 15% of the time, not in any regular pattern that I've been able to discern, the response is....blank. Blank face. Not a syllable back. No pantomimed response with the body. It's as if what I said....was a dead piano key.
Has anyone who has lived with this pattern in the household for a long time figured out what's going on, when what comes back is blank, not even "uh-huh"
I can tell when he's in hyperfocus, totally immersed. These just living together sentences to him that get blank back (but only under 15% of the time...what's up with that?) are not attempted when he's quite clearly in his own in hyperfocus, I don't try to get his attention for anything, then. You'll have to take it on faith frm me no we haven't had a tiff, no the topic isn't in the past or in the present a stressy topic in itself.... and the response is......nothing. Not even a throwaway that signifies back that the communication, or even the sound of my voice... has been heard at ALL, like "That's interesting" or "Yikes" or "Hm"
Like I say, it's like the sentence I said was a dead piano key, giving off no sound.
I also have learned that if he doesn't hear that what I'm talking about has to do with him (as he defines what has to do with him), he either won't pay attention or gets out of the conversation as soon as he can. OK. I've got that. That took some adjustment of expectation, but I'm pretty well adjusted to that...that if I need his help for a problem that I'm having, that doesn't involve him or want to show him something that I've done that I'm proud of, that again doesn't involve him or his insterests, it's going to have to be a well timed request with a very large headline, or he won't lock attention on me very well or very often. I really have the lesson learned that he has a different attention, and that I needed to scale back my expectation that he would attend to anything he found unrelated to him.
So in our house, I'd say I've pruned out a lot of "life just going on" sociability talk if it's talk about what the neighbors are doing, what the weather is, what my own day's plans are....he doesn't care about those things ordinarily, so I don't waste our time or his with remarks about them. In my examples above both had to do with him. I tend to select in my mind, does this in anyway have to do with him, that I'm going ot mention? In the first, our family income was going to increase, an obvious benefit to him; in the second, he had been waiting for me to get back. He does indeed get alarmed if things occur that are not on the clock that he has set for himself, including my return at a certain time.
I know that my partner has the repertoire to "hm" and "good; can't talk now" because he does do that about 90% of the time, if he doesn't have something concrete to say back or doesn't want to talk at the moment.
Blanking, and the need to repeat
Whether I ever understand better what's going on with these sometimes total blanks instead of responses, I already know that that means that if there is content of what I said that has to do with him, I'm possibly going to have to repeat it later. There are already a whole lot of things that I now understand that I'll patiently have to repeat later, and some times repeat multiple times, if there's a necessary to us or necessary to him fact to get across to him...and sometimes there are.
I will not make anyone with ADHD happy to read this next, because it will be easy to presume from waht I'm saying that I think the ADHD memory and attention issues are advanced old age, but that is not what I'm saying here.
But here I go, liable to set off aDHD readers or overdefenders of people with ADHD: I spent about a decade in high interface with very elderly people, two of whom were my parents. With that group, the very elderly, a lot of mental function remains all the way to the end, but short term memory goes, and some other kinds of memory too, in time, and the only way forward in that situation (whether you're the elderly or as I was, a middle aged caregiver) is to have the patience to repeat....and repeat....and repeat.... and repeat....and hear the same question again and again and again and again....lol and the same anecdote again and again and again. That's where I learned and I think learned pretty well, to relax, and patiently repeat, patiently answer the same question asked a dozen times, patiently hear the story again, again, again. I use that patience a LOT in my relationship. I GET it that a person can be apparently present in a conversation but somewhere else in their head. I'm a dreamer myself. I already have the patience to start over with the sentence later, at a time that might register with my partner, if the topic has any ongoing impact on him. Dealing with the elderly schooled me in patience.
But I don't know what's up with these blanks and can't figure out whether or not they're some kind of a social signal or....are...blank. I've never seen them before. Even my 95 year old parents didn't totally blank with their faces, bodies and words, when they didn't have the wherewithall to take in what was being said to them.
I'd especially appreciate it if whoever tackles this who has ADHD or is a therapist or who assumes the authority mantle of a therapist, doesn't tell me that the problem of my husband randomly blanking lies in me. I'm asking a good faith question about blanking itself in communication moments that are so low octane, and ordinary. I'll never be able to grow in the ways I deal with my husband's ADHD generated behavior patterns if I don't learn more about ADHD.
Over on his side, he's a constant flow of chatter about what he's thinking, what he plans to do, what he's done, what road construction he's run into, what frustrates him and how he's feeling Lol and he gets a little bent if I don't at least "Good" "Glad to hear it" "I want to hear about that later" or "hm" or touch him or..... he actually gets a little out of whack if he doesn't get something back.
So what's with him blanking....sometimes?
Re: Blanking
Submitted by Zapp10 on
Not sure myself either what this is about. Have come to the conclusion it is because his mind is in a "whirl" at the moment I spoke and he has no clue what I said and doesn't have the capacity to say so and therefore .....blank. Reciprocal conversation is something I sooo long for with my H.
You are doing far better with applying all you can to having a relationship with your spouse. He is a very blessed man. I have recently decided to take the words of so many experts on this topic and put it at the top of the "to do" list. This being..........unless the non add spouse AND the add spouse BOTH agree to address the ADD you are not going to have anywhere near the "normalcy" of marriage.
There is NOTHING wrong with the intelligence of those with ADD.....so CHOOSING to believe it isn't the ADD and instead is the SPOUSE they are married to goes to immaturity and I am not waiting for him to grow up any longer. My H has made a conscious decision in treating this lightly.
I have been "blanked" so many times......
my best wishes to you!
You said the bottom line, Zapp
Submitted by NowOrNever (not verified) on
To me it is: both in the couple need to be willing to address the impact of ADD on the relationship. One of the two can't do both ends of the relationship.
Thanks for confirming that what I asked about is familiar to you. 99% of the time it's not a problem to me when it happens, although I'm still getting over never knowing when it's going to happen, and so when it does I'm still getting a hit of feeling like inexplicably I've been "blocked from his Facebook page".
Zapp, as I remember you and I are in the same general age range. Maybe I'm a few years older than you. We have a difference that means that I respect bigtime whatever you work out in your life, and always attend to what you say: I'm in the early stage of not a December marriage, but let's say, an October one. You on the other hand have lived a very long time in your relationship. From what I generally remember about your age, you and your husband began things before the diagnosis of ADD/ADHD existed? Let alone attention paid to adult ADD? I respect and take seriously what you've been through, and where you are on matters. You, Zapp, have made it this far. I haven't. I'm starting out....late in life.
I'm far enough along in age that for me (and I think for me and my husband) it truly is Now.... Or...Never.
This is my one shot at a marriage that is more than a title....that will benefit us and me, as well as him, as we age. : ) If I don't, if we don't get, pronto, to a workable core way of relating, I'm pretty sure that I won't bear up under the load, rolling on into old age.
: ) So I'm making a run for the money. judging from what I've read described on this site, I'm lucky that I'm with someone who non negotiably had to fend for himself, with no parents to cover for him or give him a safety net, and lacking other safety nets. Yes indeed, folks with ADHD are fully capable in mental tool kits. and I couldn't agree with you more that they're as able, if they can do it in their ways that fit them, and benefit them, of modifying their own understanding, attitudes and behavior.
My husband doesn't notice some of his consistent behaviors; others he knows he does. I have the good luck that when I do manage to get it across to him....sometimes it takes a lot of repeating before he attends....that something is harmful to me or not working for us that he does...once he finally takes that in....and then thinks it over on his own terms....he'll do something to change his behavior. He learned this on his own, fending for himself.
Zapp, I'm not asking my husband to change a lot of things. I want us both to be who we are, daily. But if I was with someone who denied and refused, denied and refused, promised and then didn't deliver....for years.....I don't know what I'd do. I think that situation, in which there's so much denial and refusal to tackle any modification, would be a kind of an ultimatum for me. I don't know what I'd do. : ) We'll see how my husband and I do. We have a long road ahead of us, and he and I are aging. How will it be?
I do passionately believe that no matter WHAT gets decided about a long term relationship, that you and I will never be wasting our time taking care of our own well being as best we can.
: ) thanks for the confirmation that blanking does go on.
Now and C both in the know....
Submitted by Zapp10 on
Now, you stated very well where I am at. While our marriage has had it's ups and downs(unknown ADD and not) the last 7 years has been a truly mind boggling experience.
In hindsight I knew broaching the possibility of ADD to my H was not going to go over well. He is what I call "borderline unreasonable"(now I know why). How ever, I think I was more caught off guard by his lack of care that I was at my wit's end. Of course since he can't "see" himself there has to be something wrong with me.
I should have calmly and firmly insisted he get educated, therapy and meds IF he wanted to end his days with me. There should have been a TIME LIMIT as to initiating this!!! Interestingly enough I did tell him that my greatest fear was his relationship with our only surviving child, who was beyond frazzled with him. I was blunt about treating her with respect and love and blunt in telling him some of the things he had done to her by words and actions(of course it was ADD but HE isn't going to admit it). He did a 180 and has done a phenomenal job restoring that relationship. He just can't do the same for me. My daughter notices this.
My H is very GOOD GUY. I would not have stayed all these years if he weren't. This ADD is insanity for me BECAUSE it is not being addressed by him. I miss who he was because now he is at the very extreme of it and I am ....tired of feeling ....nothing... in order to keep the peace. Our best times now are when I don't talk.....and H is happy and I haven't said a word.....sigh. I also suspect that there is something more than ADD going on but I will never know as suggesting the ADD blew his world apart so anything more......
I am not being down here, just find that when I take a step back to being at peace with me......I am more inclined.....to let the marriage go. And here is a very selfish thought.....I don't want to die living a life with a huge LIE in it.......
Yep Zapp....I hear you!
Submitted by c ur self on
I am not being down here, just find that when I take a step back to being at peace with me......I am more inclined.....to let the marriage go. And here is a very selfish thought.....I don't want to die living a life with a huge LIE in it.......
Hi Zapp, I'd like to address this statement....(In order to have peace in my life; I am more inclined to let the marriage go)....This was and is absolutely the most difficult part for me ...It wasn't to hard to come to the realization (after 4.5 years of chaos) that for me to experience a peaceful existence, my concept of MY MARRIAGE, had to change. The hard part was to accept it, and understand it...
I finally realized and accepted that I'm doing the RIGHT thing for the marriage by moving away from my desires to communicate and experience closeness....
We still have many good moments. But, they can only be experienced when awareness is present for us both. You can't get blood out of a turnip; and you can't have healthy loving interactions when there isn't two peaceful spirited people both aware and accountable concerning their own thoughts; words, and actions...I wrote a post a while back entitled "When words are the worst kind of communication"....That post is part of the light coming on for me concerning this reality....
It is so easy to feel victimized when we would love for our realities to be different....(You don't have to read long on this site to see it's the prevailing emotion for many of us who post here).
Talking just about myself here, for me, with in my own strength, (it's taking the Holy Spirit) I could never move past that uncomfortable feeling that I should be trying harder, doing more, saying the right things, beating myself up for not having all the answers and gifts to make it better...I guess it was just my own selfishness and desire to control that was prompting it....(I sure haven't arrived either, but, I am starting to become aware).....
The hardest thing in the world for me has been, and is, to accept doing nothing, (except managing my own life) and, come to understand that, that was the perfect thing to do.....
Blessings Zapp
Proverbs 28:26 ESV.....
C
A heart after....
Submitted by Zapp10 on
God.
I am familiar with that particular proverb and thank you for bringing it back to my mind.
I find Proverbs both resourceful and intriguing(?).
May I offer up Proverbs 2:9-11
And may I add that when I reference being "alone" in the marriage I do this only in context to my spouse. I KNOW God is with me...always. I am NEVER alone in this life.
My view of God creating marriage is it was a precursor to Jesus coming and bringing the final commandment....that we love one another. Who would EVER think it would be so hard? And yet, there in lies the journey of discovering Jesus and ourselves. "Love" itself ENCOMPASSES an amazing, unending, unparalleled sojourn uniquely ours.....similar to others but NEVER exactly the same.
So for ALL my faith I am so disappointed in myself. Hence.....my perhaps extreme need to focus on peace...God's peace.
Me too....Zapp....
Submitted by c ur self on
That disappointment in myself happen's when I'm floundering, looking for something to say or do, to save my life....It's would be better if I was able every time to just accept my propensity to do it....And just say in the begininig, "Jesus Save Me"!! Kind of like Peter did; when he took his eye's off the Christ and focused on the storm....
Yes you may:)..."Discretion will guard you"...that spoke to me; I need more discretion going on in my decisions ....But, what the writer is telling me for that to happen in vs 9...(discretion to guard me)....Verses 1-8 must be going on in my life...
Thank you Zapp; I love to be encouraged and pointed to the only place I believe can produce the peace and abundant life I desire....
When I get to dependent of my own thinking (as I often do) I love to remind myself of a few scriptures...Proverbs 28:26, Genesis 8: 21, and Romans 8-6-8...It brings me back to the reality of who actually is mapping this journey, and who's hands or on the wheel. And why I get off course; when I seek to take over the controls....
C
I don't think that's selfish
Submitted by NowOrNever (not verified) on
Good morning, Zapp
I've come back to think about the ending of your post more than once. Your very ending of it is
And here is a very selfish thought.....I don't want to die living a life with a huge LIE in it.......
Perhaps I have a sense of why you might call that selfish. Just guessing, it might have to do with after so many years, turning new lenses of attention on your husband, the habitual relation of the two, and asking yourself what at this point in life you really see about those. Selfish to disrupt a longterm relation with new views and potentially behavior? If so, I can sympathize with that word selfish. My husband and I have enough challenges from the outside, health challenges, and ongoing work fitting together into our best days possible, that any way that we can get things done in which one or both of us aren't stirred up, leaves me grateful for any quiet between us (....there are pretty persistent crises of things being dropped, lost, forgotten, benignly misunderstood, regardless of whether there's another big strain going on, that to me things are in a constant state of rattle at our house. I need some quiet, SOMEtime, here! Plus.I see the strain on my husband of dropping, losing, dealing with news of things going out of whack, too. We both need as much peace and order between us as we can get). Thinking about your word, selfish, remembering our own need for more calm than we seem to get, I can see thinking that stirring up the relation with new views of it and possibly new behavior pattern on my part would feel like selfishness. We have a tough enough time. It would be selfish for me to stir things up more...
...and I have an and....I've come back to that last sentence of yours over and over. I dont think that not wanting to live a lie is selfish. It doesnt resolve any problems immediately to recognize participation in untruthfulness, or to get a better look at one's own or one's partner's denials. In fact to me these kinds of recognitions can be very deeply unsettling. (And being a Recovering SelfCastigator, in the face of new truth that I cant rationalize away or hide from, I usually go through the internal strain of either having to tell my selfcastigator to go away...my best option.... or if I fail in that and that castigator starts chattering on seeing truth after long defense against it attempts to beat me up for not having seen the truth before, or as clearly. So either a quick tussle with th castigator that I win, or a longer tussle with it. Hope you're not doing that, Z. Lol leave the mano a mano with the Self Castigator to me : ). But forging on, Zapp, yes times ten that newly recognizing living a lie is terribly disruptive and lays down challenges, yes...but it's the only way I know to begin change for the better. I
I dont think it's selfish not to want to live in a lie. ...I think new understanding of truth is a different, and to me deeper matter than whether or not it's time to release your past definition of marriage, although I agree with C that it's not good to cling to insistence that a relation has to work this way but not that.
Truth is not expectation. I dont think it's ever selfish to recognise new truth... I wish you so much well.
NowOr......
Submitted by Zapp10 on
Thank you for your response and your words...." it would be selfish for me to stir things up more...."
I am mulling this thought over and over also......and will let you know what conclusion I come to......
I always thought "home" was a safe place to be. I wanted that for my kids(and I failed many times myself there) but I believe I also succeeded there more than I realize.
I wanted my "home" to be a refuge from the "world" where you gained rest, strength and love. This was a struggle I can see now caused by undiagnosed ADD.
Well NOW I know the why...NOW I know what I did to contribute, NOW that I KNOW better....I can do better.....and I am sad that I may be going the rest of the journey....solo.
The NEED for my "home" to be "peaceful" I can see.....is instrumental to me......and that's where the possibly I have too high of expectations, I have no "right" to have needs....yada yada...yada......aauuugggghhhh!
Now....
Submitted by c ur self on
For many years I battled the pressure of Self Castigation; until one day....The revelation of Roman's 1-1 came a live in me! And I knew! I knew the gift of his redemptive work would cover all that I lacked...PTL!!!
C
Indeed
Submitted by NowOrNever (not verified) on
... : D
The ace of hearts
Not much to add Now...
Submitted by c ur self on
You really did a good job of reasoning about this question...I do experience this; and I also can do it to her....For me I only do it intentionally for two reason's....If what she is asking has been thoroughly covered and I was clear with her on my feelings. (I usually blank her if it's just pressure she wants to apply, to keep it from leading to an argument). And I will blank her direct statements about her actions some times...(words have proven to not be our friends) But, more times than not I may add, OK, or, If I think it's a mistake, I may add, your choice....or, if you think it's wise......
I can do it unintentionally if I'm in deep thought, and lets say she starts her question or comment from another room and finishes it about the time she breaks my concentration, and I've heard only a small part if any of what she was saying....But, usually at that point my response is; I'm sorry, can you repeat that, I didn't get it?
The things I've learned about my wife's add that I feel causes blanking is....1) She struggles to follow me in conversation; (to listen), which leads to agitation for her; so if she is lost, I thinks she feels blanking is nicer than showing frustration.
She like your husband; is full of chatter; the continuously speaking of her thoughts; which along with her schedule and the struggle w/ time management. (she is always rushing, and the times she does stop to hear me and respond to my questions, she will quit what she is doing; ie...getting ready etc, and her countenance will turn to frustration, and blame. (I've distracted her and it's my fault even though what I was saying had every thing to do with her....And like you said, I usually hear about later....Why didn't you tell me? LOL...No memory of my effort :)....She will also blank me if the question is painful or means accountability.
So, I don't know why blanking happen's for sure; But, my thought is it's a learned survival technic for certain minds; and I also think it can be both intentional as well as unintentional....
C