So, my marriage has been suffering a very slow and painful death for many years. We've been together 13 years and only the first year was good because he was love bombing the hell out of me. We have been falling apart totally for about 5 or 6 years now. My husband has - in my unprofessional diagnosis - PTSD (from a traumatized family background), ADHD (disorganized, mess, lack of attention), RSD (severe, raging, irrational), and probably also a good dose of NPD (constantly talking about himself, needing ego strokes to feel okay).
He has other wonderful qualities and I have loved him and still love him. But there is no hope that I can see. He is no longer doing therapy because his therapist moved away, and that is a disaster for him because he really needs to be in therapy every week. He is dealing with a lot of personal stresses now, and he is spiraling. His behavior is really unstable and all his triggers are firing - he is like a terrain full of land mines. He is also much older than I am and dealing with health issues.
I am 48. I feel about 150 after all these years with him. I also have health issues, and menopause. But I might have a few good years left if I can salvage whatever is left of myself which is NOT MUCH to be honest. I am flat, depleted, exhausted, depressed - a wreck. So I decided to finally call it completely yesterday by taking off my wedding ring and letting my husband know that I have done it, and I am not putting it back on again.
We are now living on the same property but in different houses. Other people also live here on this property in another house. It is something of a community and I am really grateful for the presence of others here because for years it was just the two of us.
The question is how to continue living here now that we are totally separated. We built this place together, it is both of our homes. I have absolutely no other good options for living and no decent cash income right now. So I have to pull my life together and create something for myself separate from him. I am an artist and I have neglected my art for years in service of our joint projects. So I am going to see if I can revitalize that part of myself.
He has agreed to see a therapist with me to work through this divorce phase. He really desperately needs to be in therapy so I have all my fingers crossed that he gets something out of it and stays with it. But he is hyper sensitive to anything that smells like "control" right now so I can't push it.
We did the Internal Family Systems therapy for the past few years and it really helped to give a framework and narrative for his complex presentations of emotional problems. Before I discovered IFS it was clear to me, after many years, that he really had distinct personalities. There was the wonderful guy I married, the wise man, the loving man. Then there was this total asshole who would emerge and really had nothing at all in common with my husband. It was like his evil twin. I truly hated that guy. Honestly I still hate that guy. He is intolerable and I do not want to be married to him, or work with him, or hang out with him at all.
Over time I distinguished a few other parts to him, none of them good to deal with.
In IFS he encountered his totally traumatized inner child and his very angry teenager who was protecting the inner child. I definitely have to encounter those two constantly. The teenager is the slob who won't clean up after himself and treats me like his bitch of a mother instead of his beloved wife.
Anyway, I have been thinking lately more about the NPD aspect of all this. I had a NARC mom and in my experience, NPD people generally refuse any kind of therapy or anything that might lead to self awareness. That is not really my husband. He has done therapy and he can actually be totally self aware and cop to what is happening - until he is triggered and his bad parts take over completely. So I have not imagined that he is a full NARC. However, he does have some really NARC tendencies and I wonder about the connection between ADHD and the NARC behavior.
I have experienced the full nightmare of NARC personalities and maybe I just haven't been willing to see the full NARCness of my husband. Certainly other people see it. It's rather up front. He is a very brazenly egotistical person often and he takes up the full room when he expounds.
Has anyone else wrestled with the ADHD and NARC interface? Any insights?
Yesterday, after I told him my ring was off and the marriage was over, he told me that he never feels any admiration from me. ADMIRATION?! That is the thing he upset about? Meanwhile, I have very recently been making a real effort to tell him how proud I am of his work which has been successful recently and he has worked really hard. I asked him if those statements I made to him even landed in his head. He said yes they did. So here he is, telling me he never gets admiration, while admitting that I have been openly admiring him a lot lately.
It's just this kind of thing, this irrationality, that defines his emotional relationship to women.
What a sad, dreary, tangled swampy quagmire this all turned out to be. I thought I was marrying a wonderful, dynamic, loving, generous, worldly, successful, interesting, moral, brave, exciting man. But that was just one part of him - the part he showed me for the first year. He kept the rest of the parts under wraps. I feel this was a huge bait and switch.
And of course I always feel sorry for him in the end because he reminds me of my mother's old crazy dog who used to bite people and then feel horrible about it later. Hanging his head in the yard. So you bring him back in ... and he bites you again.
Diagnoses
Submitted by Swedish coast on
I'm seeing so much possible neurodiversity in people nowadays, since the concept's been revealed to me with my ex husband's diagnosis. I think we are all somewhere on spectra, ADHD, autism or other. Each unique personality is complex, with talent and dysfunction mixed, and I guess I'll never quite get the whole picture even of those closest to me. I've given up trying to categorize people into diagnoses, thinking it's impossible for a non-professional. The furthest I'll go is to describe people as having even or uneven capacity. It took me a long time to realize I can't expect something from a person just because I've seen them perform well with something else. They might be geniuses in one area and completely lost in another.
You have many good years in front of you, I'm sure, many more than you've spent with him. I hope you will get some rest from him now, and feel your strength return.
ADHD and NPD
Submitted by LnC on
Hi there,
I'm pretty burned out with my ADHD husband, too, and I did wonder if the NPD was involved as well because of his strong focus on himself (his agenda ahead of those of the family). When I looked up, I found an article about the relevance:
(edited - link removed)
In the excerpt, it says:
"We found that a significant proportion of ADHD patients suffered from NPD, and that both narcissistic grandiosity and vulnerability were associated with ADHD hyperactivity and impulsivity symptoms, but not with inattentive symptoms"
I feel you. I'm also very close to your age and experiencing perimenopause symptoms. This relationship is much harder to handle especially when I don't feel well. In fact, I felt exhausted and starting to feel down today with muscle pain around neck ans shoulders, so I used all my energy to just get up and ran a punch bag exercise (I bought a punch bag and gloves during Covid and found a good YouTube video for a 20 min session) because I heard that our emotions and muscle pain are so closely related that if we want to release negative emotions, moving muscles (aka exercise) bring quick results. So even though I didn't feel like it initially, I did my best to try it and boy, it helped greatly. Once my muscles felt lighter, I also ran a Zoomba session on YouTube as well. Now that I feel much better, I came to this site to check out the couple training options in the near future. I still wanna try that because I trust Dr.Orlov's ways. Then I saw your post and I found that article pretty recently, I thought I would share it with you. It is both surprising and not so surprising in a way that those two have something in common...phew...
I wanna say that I respect your decision. I am sending you my prayers and warm thoughts. You are the most important and beloved person in your life and I hope you will regain joy very soon!
Oh lastly, to enhance your mental health since you mentioned your burnout, if you haven't done it yet, reading a book that explains about the amygdala and mPFC in our brains (such as The Body Keeps the Score) might help as it helped me. Also "Dance of Anger" helped me as well. I saw it from the back of Dr. Orlov's book, "ADHD Effect in Marriage" as an anger management tool, and it changed my life. Only if you feel like, of course...just wanted to share what helped me in case they help you as well...
Wishing you well BOLady
Submitted by c ur self on
I've noticed things about myself and others when it comes to the multiple personality dynamic....In simple terms, if a right spirit isn't driving me (or others) vs a carnal mind, then the presence of these personalities (deep moods) easily move in....
Bless you in this difficult time, I'm dealing with a lot of the same this summer....
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Hope you’re feeling better
Submitted by Peacefull111 on
Your post is definitely relatable I think many of us have been there feeling the adhder is actually also a narcissist. I feel your pain on this... I hope you're doing ok and taking care of yourself. Being in these relationships is definitely very hard and emotionally and physically draining. I think when my partner appears like a narcissist he may be demonstrating autism possibly . It's like he has no idea how to connect or see things from my perspective.
keep us updated on what you end up doing. Since we can't control them maybe we can take a little time to pause between interactions and catch our breath and balance. Sometimes separation is the best thing to do and you will feel relief to no longer struggle .
Burned Out Lady
Submitted by curiouscat on
Hey, I just wanted to encourage you to stay separate. I separated from my husband three months ago and it has helped our relationship immensely! I feel much better, no longer volatile and defensive in relation to him, I feel peaceful and happy and centered. I feel normal again, and I no longer believe that I was 50% responsible for the issues in our marriage. As my therapist says: I am a reasonable person. It was a great relief to hear her say that. You sound like a reasonable person too. The first week or two apart from my husband was difficult. I was very sad, missed him (we have been together for 29 years, and it is our anniversary today) but then, as the days went on and my peace and well-being rose to the surface, I became proud of myself and I was so glad I had the courage to leave. Our marital status is unclear right now, we may or may not stay married, and it feels like it will take a long time to decide which way to go, but the primacy of having my own space to heal and rest has been so very important. I want to encourage you to find your peace and get back to your art, this will probably have the most impact on you recovering your self. Good luck. Also, your description of your husband was so similar to mine: narcissistic tendencies, multiple personalities: an a**hole (edited), and also a really interesting person. But it was too much intensity, volatility, and self-centeredness.