New to posting here. My husband has ADD, I do not. I could ramble on for hours/days/months about the issues in our marriage, but frankly, you know them. You live them too. So I won't ramble on, even if I'd like to.
I am currious if others with ADD partners find that they can be over helpful at times? In the completely wrong ways?
I can ask/beg/yell/cry for his help with the day-to-day tasks/chores and nothing changes. Yet, when I'm in the middle of doing something and have it under control, he wants to be in my space helping. Example: Yesterday we stopped at the store to pick up a few things. We didn't have much, so we used a self checkout. Those kiosks are small. We had about 5 - 7 items, so I was just going to grab them from the cart, scan, bag, pay, leave. No big deal. Yet, he physically inserted himself. I almost smacked him on accident because he shoved himself between me and the kiosk and I didn' t know he was there (I was in front of the computer, reaching into the cart, when I turned to scan, he was RIGHT there.) I asked him to move over, then he throws his hands in the air: "I'm just trying to be helpful" and plays the "I can't do anything right" game. I'm tired of the "I can't do anything right" game, so I just asked him to please stop.
When we got to the car, I was calm and tried to explain that he is often overly helpful in the wrong ways. What I need his help with are things like chores, going to work on time every day, and him going to therapy. We have had the same discussion about these 3 things I need from him for 7 years. (he is taking medications, but not going to therapy and he NEEDS the therapy. I even had my therapist help me find someone for him, he says they are playing phone tag. That's another story for another time.). I don't need his help when I have things under control, and he knows I will ask him if I do need help. Yet when I ask, he ignores me. When I don't ask it's like he's just putzing around in my way.
I think it has really just dawned on me that he does this. I'm already frustrated with him, so, while this is truly a very small thing, it's just feeding my own frustration.
I don't want/mean to be a b***h. I can state very simply, "I am overwhelmed, I need your help" and tell him what I need help with. Offer to help him get more organized, gvie suggestions of using the calendar on the wall or on his phone, etc. And it goes ignored. But man, when there's something small that I'm doing that requires zero assstance... he's RIGHT THERE. I just wonder if others have this experience as well?
I know this is a small thing. I guess I'm just at my wits end right now, overly frustrated by the lack of help with the big picture, you know?
Short answer: yes. But I
Submitted by PoisonIvy on
Hotmess, EXACTLY!
Submitted by jennalemone on
Every word....same here!
"I'm just trying to be helpful" and plays the "I can't do anything right" game.
THIS for 40 years! What is that about? It FEELS manipulative, doesn't it?
I get "I can't do anything right' all the time!
Submitted by ICanSeeClearlyNow on
Can't Say I Didn't Try
Submitted by vabeachgal on
Responsibility Diffusion...Dependent Personality Symptoms
Submitted by kellyj on
From the list of symptoms here....I looked up dependent personality and here's the set of criteria used to make that kind of diagnosis. I'm not diagnosing here....I just putting in the ball park. It sound similar if not exactly the same.
For what it's worth....to help explain this behavior. It's seems to relate to an inability to "defer"...in a general sense. Instead of "deferring things to others or themselves".....things get "diffused" and assumed without asking or getting/giving permission. It's a sign of a co-dependent person who lacks personal autonomy.
Symptoms of Dependent Personality Disorder
Dependent personality disorder is characterized by overwhelming fear that leads to “clinging behavior”. It can be diagnosed in early adulthood. It includes a majority of the following:
Avoids being alone; will tolerate abuse to avoid aloneness
Unable to make everyday decisions without an excessive amount of advice and reassurance from others
Needs others to assume responsibility for most major areas of his or her life
Has difficulty expressing disagreement with others; over-sensitive to criticism
Pessimism and lack of self-confidence, including belief in their personal inability to take care of themselves
Has difficulty doing things alone, without ongoing reassurances
Intense fear of abandonment; unable to be without a primary relationship,
Urgently seeks another relationship as a source of care and support when a close relationship ends
Goes to excessive lengths to obtain nurturance and support from others, to the point of offering to do unpleasant things
Preoccupied with fears of being left to take care of him or herself
Lives in fantasy and remain naïve
J - thanks for this! I can
Submitted by SpaceyStacey197... on
J - thanks for this! I can really see how I have a couple of those issues that I am struggling to correct. I think in general, its very easy to fall into those traps when dealing with a spouse who has disorders or illness of any kind, because that love you have for them becomes your focus, and because you want them to be OK, succeed, recover... what ever... and when that disorder is mental, and a facet of it is denial... ohhhh boy do things get complicated, painful and codependent REALLLY quick.
I am feeling more confident and better every day to be honest. I am glad that I can see where I falter (some point blank headshot boom in your face accuracy in that list for me :-) ) and I am glad that I do NOT live in denial.
I can let that tidal wave of pain hit me - KNOWING that I will lean in, let it wash away the crap and be stronger, leaner, tougher when it dissapates. I do NOT want to spend my life running from that wave... that is exhausting, painful and never ending!
Victim minds always produce Victim statements and actions.....
Submitted by c ur self on
I can't do anything right!
If you loved me you would do this or that!
Walks into a messy house after a trip or event where they've been wide open, full of energy, the life of the party....Then the minute real life hits them in the face... Their health just falls apart!!...it amazing!
Blaming everyone at work when things go bad for them...
Pointing out every little thing they do, with a desperate need for affirmation...When in reality they don't take responsibility for a fraction of what you do....
There is so much we must recognize that really is only a losing proposition to address...It's hard for some of us, but, if your like me, you only end up kicking yourself when you address this victim stuff, like they really have any ability to hear you and see themselves...Not happening, or it doesn't with us, all that refusing to walk away get me is an argument....
C
Oh my stars... I am so
Submitted by hotmess on
Oh my stars... I am so shocked by the responses here. I honestly wasn't sure I'd get any. THANK YOU all for posting, I feel MUCH less alone. But I'm so sorry you all are struggling with the same thing.
So I just got home. I had to go out of town for new job orientation. Let me give you a little back story here. I'll try to give you the cliff notes version...
I'm a nurse. I'm the one who knew he had ADD and begged him to go get diagnosed. After seeing his primary care doc and going to see the psychiatrist a few times, he did the testing and YEP, he has ADD.
My last job was EXTREMELY stressful. I worked for a large company that has clinics nation wide. I was the only clinical trainer for over 40 clinics in the company. Traveld A LOT (sometimes on the road up to 5 weeks in a row, only home on weekends, and then just doing laundry & repacking for Monday). Working 60+ hours EVERY week.
That job was a promotion. Before I accepted, we had multiple discussions about the housework. I sat down with him, let him know that if I was going to be traveling (it was supposed to be 50% of the time, ended up being way more), I would need him to pick up the slack around the apartment because I wouldn't be home as much. When those weeks turned into multiple weeks, ugh. Do you think I want to clean up after him all weekend long? NO.
My apartment is in C.H.A.O.S. (Can't Have Anyone Over Syndrome) right now. And frankly, I REFUSE to do it by myself. It can stay a damn pig stye until he decides to start helping me CONSISTENTLY.
But yeah, my last job burnt me out so I just started my new job today. Again, had to travel 3 hours away for orientation, which meant I left last night, sat through 6 hours orientation today, and then drove back home.
I have been asking him for 2 weeks to cut the grass in our tiny back yard. Yes, we live in an apartment, but our yard is our responsibility. We have had a LOT of rain, so I know it has been hard for him to get out there and do it. I asked him yesterday before I left, "It's supposed to be nice tomorrow, can you please cut the grass before you go to work?" (he works afternoons).
Come home, grass not cut. BUT, he vacuumed, did some of the dishes (we don't have a dishwasher... and it seems beyond him to do ALL of the dishes) and he even scooped the cat boxes.
I'm not surprised he did some things because we had to discuss the need for him to help, again, this weekend. Every time we have this discussion, he improves slightly for a short amount of time (Sounds like you guys are dealing with that, too). But, I really only wanted him to focus on cutting the damn grass! I shouldn't be mad, right? Because he DID some stuff. Again, feeling like a confused mega b***h. So I text him that I made it home, thanked him for doing what he did and left if at that. I will leave him a friendly (no really) note tonight asking him, again, to cut the grass before he goes to work tomorrow. I won't see him because I'll be in bed before he gets off work.
It's just mind blowing. I literally wanted him to do one thing today. He ignored that thing and did 3 others. How am I supposed to feel? If I bring it up, I am sure I'm just going to get, "I can't do anything right!"
So since he did actually do some stuff, I too will work on some stuff around this C.H.A.O.S. zone tonight. But I'm not cutting that grass.
Yeah, I know. I'm stubborn.
Thanks again everyone. I am so very grateful for all of your feedback!
Be at peace hotmess:)
Submitted by c ur self on
Try to live and let live, make an effort to ignore his reality and focus on yourself, (your peace)...Allowing your mind to be dominated by his living of life is very bad....And it's so easy to start mothering your husband vs desiring him in a respectful and healthy way...Try to not attach your expectations to what he is unable to give you...Acceptance of reality!
Blessings
C
mega bitch is worse than CHAOS
Submitted by dancermom on
At the beginning of my journey with my husband, I was focused on the lateness, the "saying but not doing", the million chores that all fell on me (no matter what the joint agreement was). And the failed therapy. And I got angrier and angrier. Later, though, what was much worse for me was how I became a different person. One I couldn't even recognize.
It was as if I had mistakenly joined the Mafia and become a hit man, and then one day just hated who I had become. Now I am reclaiming me. Being me. Really being who I am and not allowing myself to become the mega bitch NAGGING MOM has become the most important thing to me. From there I can be a real mom to my actual kids.
I love my husband. I do not negotiate about anything any more with him. I look reality in the face, decide to stay, and then figure out what is realistic and possible with zero negotiation. He is only capable of what he is capable of. I take responsibility for choosing to stay. I work with reality. He really does love me. He is a big sweetie pie, who just cannot see farther than his nose, most of the time.
Every one's situation is their own. Everyone has to make their own choices. But I sure wish I could have understood the consequences of going down the mega bitch road years ago. Some people do need to separate and move on, their own peace of mind demands a level of predictability and order that the ADD spouse cannot quickly enough provide at a realistic rate of change for the ADD spouse. Sad and frustrating for all.