I'm 44, been on Methylphenidate and Buproprion for the past couple years, and have tried to make improvements, with varying degrees of success. But, I still misremember things my wife says, or I even continue to forget conversations. I made an impulsive decision last year to quit a job where I was miserable without having my new career ready to go. Not long after that, my wife had a nervous breakdown and was hospitalized briefly. My leaving my old job was a major factor in her breakdown. My wife comes from a troubled family background with a mother who has Borderline Personality Disorder and who had attempted suicide twice. My wife, at the age of 18, found her mother after the second attempt. For our entire marriage, my wife has suffered with social anxiety and depression. She has been in counseling for a couple years now, dealing with unresolved past issues and also trying to find ways to cope with my "disorder".
Yesterday we had a highly charged conversation where she asked me why, if I truly believe that "a man should support his family", it took me almost a year to get started in my new career. I didn't have an answer--I thought long and hard about it, but I had no real answer! Today we continued the discussion, and she was able to come up with what I realized was the reason: there was so much stuff going on, I had just come away from 7 years in a miserable job, and I just needed a break. Enter procrastination and poor time management/perception, and almost a year later I'm finally starting my new career.
This incident was the last straw for my wife. She is fed up with my inability to understand her, my forgetfulness, and having to help me dig deeper into my thought processes. Because of our sleep schedules (I go to bed at 9pm and get up at 5am, she stays up late and gets up late), we have been mostly sleeping in separate bedrooms for the past couple years. Today, she gave me an ultimatum: CHANGE OR LEAVE. She said that she would rather be alone with the cats than have me around anymore.
I just finished a quick read-through of Melissa Orlov's new book and recognized that a lot of the "hot points" totally applied to our marriage. I just fear that it may be too late. My wife is tired of having to work to understand me or to make any allowances for my ADHD. In the past year, our arguments have ended with her in a RAGE. I've never raised a hand to my wife nor threatened to. She is fed up with my not being attentive enough as a husband and with my not noticing and acknowledging the improvements she has tried to make in herself. I do notice and praise her, but admittedly not enough. When I try to work things through with her during one of our arguments, I am now met with sarcasm and contempt.
I would love to change and be more consistent, and with the medication I HAVE improved. But it's just not enough for her. One thing that really ticks her off is that I have greatly improved in my focus and organization at work and at church where I do some volunteer work. And yet, in our relationship, any improvement I may have made in attentiveness, time management, and communication is minimal, from her perspective. She believes that I don't truly love her or find her important. It isn't true, but after reading through Melissa Orlov's new book, I can see why she would feel that way.
I don't want our marriage to end, and I'm definitely willing to keep working at it, but how do I keep that focus after the crisis period is over? One other thing she told me is that, with the help of her therapist, she has become a stronger person and will never let anyone ever "walk all over" her again. She applied that statement to both her mother and to me, which confuses me a bit because I've always encouraged my wife to get out and meet people and make friends outside our household and I usually don't force issues unless I feel it is necessary. I've never tried to control her.
I wonder if our marriage is a "perfect storm" of two people with the types of emotional/neurological challenges that collide with each other in a way that prevents a long-term solution? I think Dr Hallowell mentioned something about ADHD'ers marrying certain types of people who are more able to handle the challenges of being married to an ADHD spouse. I wonder if my wife and I each just married the wrong type of person. The more I think about it, the more it seems like I'm being blamed for our marital problems, and my wife is just trying to cope with a difficult spouse. One good thing is that we don't have children who have to watch their family fall apart. The way she phrases things makes me feel blamed. She'll say things like: "I'm working with my counselor trying to figure out productive ways to respond to you/things you do (etc.)".
I just don't know what I can do now that will do any good.
I'm open to suggestions.
I am the non-ADHD wife of an
Submitted by thewrongone on
I am the non-ADHD wife of an ADHDer. I am troubled that you used quote marks when you said 'disorder'. That signaled to me that you don't fully agree with your diagnosis. Is this true? If so, your behaviors towards your wife my make her feel like you're not on board with neurological disorder you were born with. That will create a lot of resentment. Have a think about that one.
Secondly, she sounds terribly hurt. I can relate. I have two kids and am ready to walk out the door. Please believe me when I say that this hurt, hurt that she has probably been suffering for many years, runs deep and doesn't go away very easily, if at all. Being married to someone with ADHD is incredibly difficult, especially if their symptoms/attitudes/abilities drag the other down. Sometimes it just can't be saved. I'm still here because I have kids.
If we had no kids, I'd be gone. There is too much hurt. Too much inaction/forgetfulness/disorganization/judge mentalness/no life skills/arrogance/LYING/harshness/no compassion/no empathy/self centered/blind to his wife/assholeness. If she feels even two or three of these things, she is hurting. She needs VALIDATION.
"Disorder"
Submitted by Searching on
The diagnosis is sound. I used the quotes because of something I read in the book, "The ADHD Effect On Marriage". If you have the book, read pages 9 and 10. You'll see what I mean. I'm almost finished with the book, and it has been enlightening. I realize I have many faults that result from this "disorder", "way of being in the world", or whatever terminology most resonates with you.
I see many, many excuses and
Submitted by lauren07 on
I see many, many excuses and quite a bit of blame in your post. I don't have any mental or past issues and add was still too hard for me to live with.
You write that it took a year to get started in your new career. Could you have just as easily written that it took you a year to find a job? Or am I missing something?
Where in my original post do
Submitted by Searching on
Where in my original post do you feel that I am making excuses or blaming my wife or others for things? Your perspective is different than mine, so you may well see things I don't.
Regarding my taking a year to get started in my new career, you asked if I could have just as easily written that it took me a year to find a job. The answer is no. A lot was happening during that year, including studying for licensing exams for my new career.
I guess I just imagined that
Submitted by lauren07 on
I guess I just imagined that my husband wrote this and it got my hackles up. He could have written a lot of it. My wife does this, because of this. I do this, because of this. Excuses. It doesn't make it wrong. Don't mind me. I'm just another angry spouse. I wish you a resolution. This thing hurts everyone involved.
You have opened up here and
Submitted by c ur self on
You have opened up here and told your story...I would like to offer you my opinion's concerning it...Your wife regardless if she works are not deserves a husband that is responsible to care for her. I think you said as much when you took your wedding vows? I know I did...I know you admitted making an impulsive decision last year to quit a job where you were miserable. So lets look at the reality of that decision...You placed your importance on your desire to be happy over your vow to God to support your wife? There is nothing wrong with changing jobs/ or career's...But there is something wrong in a man's heart that would abandon his responsibilities toward his family...I suggest you forget all the things you posted about your wife...You are not responsible for her actions, and focus on Searching...You said you have Melissa's book...Check out page 35 second bullet point about anger...Also check out page 73 the last bullet point at the bottom of the page concerning anger/ act/react...This may help you understand your wife's anger, and where it comes from...Your wife needs clarity about her own actions, just as you do...a life of excuses and blaming is a dead end that will always produce arguments, and tragic endings to God sanctioned marriages...I suggest you find a Wise Christian Counselor for you both...You need to start giving your life for your wife, just as Jesus gave his life for you...My wife and I go to bed many nights at different times...I use the foam roll up ear plugs...they are easy to get use to, and I hardly ever here her come to bed, unless she is standing at the foot of the bed bumping it because she has just got to tell me something at 3 am...(She has add to...and to borrow a phrase "Not the mild variety")...I suggest you both humble yourselves, start sleeping together. Sex want fix your problems, but you should both work toward swallowing your pride and being vulnerable with each other...Start making love to your wife regularly letting her know how much you love her, just like you told us in your post...It may take a while, but if you both will see-ur-selves...you can get there....
I did ask for advice, and I
Submitted by Searching on
I did ask for advice, and I do appreciate your thoughts. The pride thing--yep, I do have a problem with that under certain circumstances--especially when I feel that I'm being unfairly dealt with or unfairly accused. Your advice about seeking a counselor is spot-on. I actually have made my first appointment to see a therapist who deals with ADHD folks. In addition, my wife and I agree that I should discuss with my medication prescriber the possibility that my body has grown tolerant of the medications I'm currently taking.
However, while I do see some good points in your post, I do take issue with some of your observations/assumptions about me. Some of your statements seem to me to be a sideways judgment of me to the effect that there is something wrong in my heart--that my moral character is...lacking. Then you start adding Christian statements. I'm also a Christian. Have a look at Luke 6:37, which basically tells us to be wary of judging others, lest we be judged. Jesus said that. Could the situation you referred to instead be more related to my brain wiring and how I respond when I feel overwhelmed? To be fair though, what you said about my quitting my job prematurely last year does remind me of 1 Timothy 5:8, where it says that if a man doesn't provide for his household, he has disowned the (Christian) faith. I didn't really get into it with my original post, but we weren't without resources--we had savings and my wife was still working at that time. We were never destitute, or even close to it. But do I feel shame or guilt over the fact that I did make things much more difficult for my wife by my actions, including contributing to her breakdown and temporary hospitalization? Yes. Every. Day.
[For those of you who aren't comfortable with quoting scripture on these forums--don't worry, I'm not going to preach a Bible sermon or anything. I'm just pointing out what I feel are inconsistencies in the above statements.]
I re-read the portions of Mrs. Orlov's book that you suggested. Where in my original post did I say anything that indicated I'm using my wife's anger at my ADHD-influenced behaviors as an excuse not to manage my symptoms? And the page 73 reference--it's a bullet point under the heading "Believing ADHD Doesn't Matter". The bullet point you reference is making two main statements--that most of the non-ADHD spouse's anger and problems are a reflection of dealing with the ADHD symptoms in their partner; and that if the patterns in that chapter are in your relationship, then the chances are good that ADHD isn't being adequately dealt with. I'm not sure what you're trying to say with this "page 73" reference. Are you saying that, in your opinion, I don't think ADHD matters? I think that my original post indicates otherwise. If you're just trying to say that the ADHD isn't being adequately dealt with, then in that case I wholeheartedly agree with you!
And where did I give you the impression that I'm making excuses or blaming my wife for our problems? Someone else made that statement above. That certainly wasn't my intent. I DID describe actions, responses, feelings, and my/her perceptions of such. But that was only meant to describe the situation.
All in all, I do feel that you had some good advice, but other things you said came across to me as pretty condescending.
I see a lot of anger and
Submitted by ColoradoDad on
I see a lot of anger and blame at these posts that are in reply to yours, and that's unfair.
As far as the Jesus stuff goes, I guess that can be helpful if you are into Jesus(?), but I also expect Jesus would have been more forgiving than that post sounded to me.
I suggest that you next read the book "scattered", which has helped me start to understand myself.
If you are going to medicate, perhaps you can medicate better? I am trying not to go that route, but your symptoms are different than mine.
You also might need to consider therapy WITH your wife.
Yes living with ADD is not simple, and yet we don't live in a vacuum, there are behaviors and reactions, and then reactions to each others' reactions, etc.
One thing I took from Scattered:
It's not about blame, it's about understanding.
My honest feeling is that Melissa's book either misses that or doesn't address it clearly enough- same goes for a medicated response- where is the effort to understand your patterns and your abilities or inabilities?
Sorry to hear your story (I recently also posted mine).
I responded to "c ur self"'s
Submitted by Searching on
I responded to "c ur self"'s post above, but for some reason my posts are now being reviewed by moderators before being added to the thread. That hasn't happened before.
Anyway, as to your comments about therapy with my wife, I do think that would be good eventually. But first I need to do some therapy on my own to develop some coping skills and habits that will be productive, as well as investigate whether I need to adjust my meds. Additionally, my wife needs some time to get used to the idea of seeing therapist jointly. I just started working out again this week. I'm doing the Body for Life program. I'm trying to hit this thing from all angles.
I will definitely look into the book you mentioned!
I think Mrs. Orlov's book is helpful and offers a lot of good insights, especially since she is a non ADHD'er. I think that between Melissa Orlov's and Dr Hallowell's books, you can get a LOT of useful information.
Searching....
Submitted by c ur self on
Searching that happened to me also (the post went to review instead of posting)...Coloradodad made the statement that my post seemed like I was angry and blaming...I'm definitely not angry, and the responsibilities we take on as a husband to be a leader and the head of our household are appointed to us by our creator...Of course if a person is a non-believer and only lives by what makes sense to them, then it don't matter to them what the gospel say's...But, based on your post...I think you are a believer...anyway good luck in your pursuit to find healing for your marriage..and if my comments were offensive to you...I apologize...Colorado was right about one thing...Jesus is forgiving!
still hope
Submitted by mariel on
Hi Searching,
I don't know much about this but as a non ADD person married to a ADD hubby I would just say that she's still there and still talking to you about things which indicates to me that she still wants to make things work with you. Do you want to make things work with her?
Take what she says as factual. She is working with a counsellor to find ways of responding more productively. She would rather be alone with the cats than with you ( right now) - but if she really wanted that long term then presumably she would be gone now right?
If you have been able to make changes at work and church then that is good - it means you can make changes in other areas - but right now I imagine that to her that might be adding insult to injury - you have prioritised those areas of your life - possibly that's the right things to do but how might that feel to her. Talk to her about how you plan to make changes in your relationship with her. Ask her which changes would be the most important to her and then share with her your plans for making them happen. Be willing to be honest and take responsibility for the hurt which you have casued her ( hurt form other sources is nothing to do with you but it's for her to recognise that) Think carefully about whether you are willing and prepared to make changes. If not then you might both be happier separating.
Like I say I'm no expert - just saying what I think I need to say to my husband who could I think have written your post :-)
m x
Hurting
Submitted by Cougar67 on
Hi Searching,
i have just recently read your post and it bought tears to my eyes. My heart goes out to you. Your comments suggest to me that perhaps maybe you are being a little to harsh on yourself and you sound like someone whom is decent and has a level of awareness and insight to some of the issues they may have. Yet it seems like to me that at least you are willing to make self improvements if need be. Yet from what I've read it sounds like to me your wife has got her own issues going on as well which appears to me from what you have said appear to be spilling out on you instead and therefore everything's your fault. And although I appreciate she has had a very traumatic past and it must have been awful to find her Mother in that way is still not an excuse and sounds like to me she very much needs to work through her own feelings arising from that and take ownership rather than to project them on you and therefore blame you for everything that has ever happened. You sound like a very decent person whom accepts they maybe imperfect but aren't we all. But at least you are best placed and in a better position to have that insight and therefore can change or work on them if you feel it is no longer working and doing you a disservice. However I feel your wife it is not quite in that place. And I wish you well for the future.