I am a husband who lives with ADHD and I have only recently been diagnosed. I have been reading through this forum to help find some direction and strategies to help my wife.
I am the guy who throws meat wrappers in the sink, forgets ice cream on the counter, forgets to shut the gate, forgets he said he would cook dinner etc... I do all of these things and you know what, because I love my wife and I value the work she does already around the house I hate that I do it. I am all for venting frustration, but the feeling I get from a lot of these posts is that there is no accounting for husbands that genuinely care and are trying with all their might to help.
One of the reason's my wife married me is because I made her feel taken care of. When I fail in that it is an emotional disaster, and I am unwilling to accept the concept of "managing expectations" as opposed to "solutions". It is hard, very, very hard to try and remember all of the small scale things that go into managing a house but I know I have to. I know in my heart of hearts that my wife does not always feel taken care of. But with my ADHD I am able to work harder, and longer than anyone else she has ever known. I can work through exhaustion etc... I can focus my way into finishing. As a matter of necessity it falls on me to cook all the meals, go to work 50 hours a week, do the finances, fix the vehicles, fix the furniture, fix the house, and train the dog. I do all this, I do it as best I can and fail occasionally but I never miss work, I never miss rent, and I always make sure we have food. But I also get hours, and hours of discussion on how I threw something away in the wrong spot, how I forgot to put my razor away, or how I used too many coffee cups. For me to try and remember to do all of my base tasks, and remember all those little things is an immense challenge, like asking someone with dyslexia to read an engineering manual. They can do it, but it is incredibly tasking.
So that leads to my frustration from the other side of the coin. When is it enough? When has a husband with ADHD applauded for all the things he is doing and how much work it takes him? I am always exhausted, on my days off if she is ill I work for her, but on that same day I will get derided for not leaving enough coffee or misplacing the remote. It feels like the things that I do, that if I stop doing the whole system will crash, are overlooked for coffee cups. It builds an enemy thinking, she is not my enemy and I would do anything for her. I wish there was a place where its enough. She always tells me it makes more work for me, its like the work it takes me to get that little bit memorized is not even important or all that great mass of stuff I did all week to exhaustion is of no account, as long as the coffee cups are in order. I know this isn't true but all I ever hear is negativity and how I messed up again today. I can't speak for all husbands but I get tired of complements with a "but" attached. I get tired of only hearing how I messed up. It makes me feel worthless because of a condition I am working like mad to correct (read as therapists, psychiatrists, medications, meditations, lists, this forum, etc...) and then I just hear how I messed up again. Things like "Thank you for working 11 hours today and cooking for 2 hours, BUT, you have to remember to keep the blue pens in that left hand drawer". It hurts to hear that every day. When am I good enough? I fell I am getting told am a failure every time I turn around. I don't think that helps anyone move forward and get better.
If you keep telling me I am a failure I will break. This is coming from a man who was successful at everything he did before he got married. I coped, and I did rather well, but I was painfully alone. So I got married to a woman whose heart and soul I love with every fiber of my being. When she glows she is incandescent but every time that light is dimmed it is automatically my fault, or something with my condition. My condition, my bloody condition. Its not all my condition. Sometimes because you know I forget you look for things I forgot, and when all you have is a hammer you can only find a nail. What happened to all the other parts of me? I accept I have this disorder but I do not wish to accept being told I am lesser than for it. Talked down to like a child from my own wife. My wife's anxiety only makes it worse. She gets anxious when its out of place, or disorderly, when her workspace is a disaster, but me misplacing a spoon is a catastrophe. She invades are organizing everything I have as a workspace her way, not my way, but her way. Then when I can't find things I am failing her and its my condition.
I coped before by being fastidious and present. I ALWAYS put things back where I got them, and they ALWAYS lived in their spot. I feel like saying "Its a spoon, get over it, you have a roof over your head, a husband that is as loyal and obedient as a dog, home cooked meals three nights a week, the freedom to choose whatever career you want while I slave." In the end it is just a spoon. So I focus on the spoons, the spoons improve, but that means I didn't focus on the coffee pot, so I am going to hear about the coffee pot. Without fail. She leaves plenty out, as much as I do. What do I do? I put it away when I see it.
Sometimes she doesn't help. She doesn't listen to my very clear statements about how I need that to work in order for me to help her. Its how my brain works and I cant do anything about that, what I can do is restructure our world so I can help her, but she wont, she wont help me on that. I say "I need the keys by the coffee pot so I can remember to always take them in the morning" Without saying anything my key stand by the coffee pot disappears to points unknown in the house then I of course, have no idea where my keys are and don't even think to look for them. Then I get anger for losing my keys, and a justification on how it just looked bad there. Well, if it being asthetetically appealing to visitors is more important to you than what you claim to be most important, my organization, the thing that is hurting our marriage, than that is what you have chosen. Because if I move it back, with a clear explanation why, it will get moved again. This happens every week, every time I try to stage something, set something up so I can remember. It is the only way I can take care of her and she takes it away from me all of the time.
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Submitted by I'm So Exhausted on
Zanzibar1638,
I have read your post with interest, as some of the points you made hit home in the struggle I have in my own marriage.
You said: "I am all for venting frustration, but the feeling I get from a lot of these posts is that there is no accounting for husbands that genuinely care and are trying with all their might to help."
This section of the forum is for those of us dealing with Anger and Frustration. Certainly there are those spouses have accepted their ADHD wired brains, and can acknowledge the affect that certain behaviors have on their relationship - both the positive and the negative behaviors.
I personally have not got to the place where I have anything to post in most of the other sections. All my posts have been here - as that is my experience.
Zanzibar, I'm sorry that you
Submitted by PoisonIvy on
Zanzibar, I'm sorry that you are struggling in your marriage. If my husband were doing as much as you are, I would, I hope, be acknowledging his contributions. But my husband is not you. And I am not your wife. And when I come to this forum to vent my frustrations, I vent my frustrations about the husband I have and the person I am. I don't make global statements.
I apologize
Submitted by Zanzibar1638 on
For the global statement. Please accept my apology because I was in fact venting about my scenario. I did not mean any offense and had a poor choice of words.
Zanzibar, I wish my husband
Submitted by PoisonIvy on
Zanzibar, I wish my husband were more like you! And I'm sorry that your wife is not more accepting and accommodating.
I apologize for my grouchy tone. I'm cleaning the house in preparation for a visit from my daughter and one of her friends, and my husband stopped helping me clean the house almost three years ago. Most of the stuff in the house belongs to my husband and my adult children. Any spouse who is employed and also does housework or otherwise contributes to the smooth functioning of the family is a hero in my book!
Clarification is a good thing
Submitted by I'm So Exhausted on
Zanzibar1638,
I took no offense to your comment. I hope you read some of the other sections in this forum, and found there is not just one pat or global answer for every situation. We all have personalities of our own, and rejoice when we find someone we can connect with, who is walking the same walk as we are, at any given point in time.
I have been drawn here by the need and hope to find SOMETHING, even ANYTHING to help sort out the tangled situation I find myself, in my marriage to a 56 year old man who spent the first 53 years of his life not knowing he had an ADHD wired brain. He built up many defensive characteristics in his behavior patterns, which are difficult for me to choose to be around any more.
If I say that I am frustrated by our yard's untidiness, he hears, "You made a mess."
If I try to come up with a plan to organize our yard/barn, he feels I am trying to control him.
If I have an "A-Ha' moment of a great idea, he thinks I have been plotting and planning behind his back.
If I try to draw up a list of reasons for anything, he only sees that that are not all based on his specific needs.
If I try to come up with a win/win resolution, he feels I am taking something away from him.
If I try to divide up jobs/responsibilities/schedules, he feels he is at the bottom of the barrel and I am only looking for my own gain.
After spending an inordinate amount of time, money, and resources in trying to work this out, I, at this point in time, have nothing left to give. I gave it all, and I see ourselves stuck in the same place. I bent and swayed and made adjustments till I have tied myself up into a pretzel.
I am waiting to hear some how, some way, that he understands his part in this situation, and is willing to LISTEN and FOLLOW counselors, rather than trying to defend his actions.
I was asked recently by someone who I confide in and respect, 'Can't you just give a little bit more?" The answer is I honestly have not even a speck more to give, not without some indication that we are working on this together. By the response I get from him, I still feel he wants me to see that I am wrong, he is right, and he is a victim in this situation. Very sad to watch.
I very much appreciate your
Submitted by warrior93 on
I very much appreciate your openness about your struggles with ADHD. Maybe you should say to your wife, it's just a spoon...! My spouse says he works hard but I don't see it. You seem like you really are working hard, and I appreciate the honesty of hard and exhausting that is for you. If my spouse cooked, cleaned, did all the repairs, paid the bills, etc. I would hope I would be more understanding of the little things, but who knows. Because he does not do those things. This forum in particular is the anger and frustration forum and most of us are speaking about spouses that are not diagnosed or not in treatment for their ADHD. But it's always good to hear from a person with ADHD and the struggles they have.
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Submitted by Standing on
Zanzibar1638,
I am sure that you have to work very hard in order to accomplish all that you do. You've employed alot of helpful tools in your struggle and that's wonderful! Great job!!
Your wife seems to need some tools of her own. She may be just as upset with herself as she appears to be with you, over these little things. It's never really about the little things, you know? What's beneath all of that control is probably something that was planted long before your time. I am the survivor of a very controlling parent and have recognized that my husband was initially so attractive to me partly because he was so laid-back. Living with ADD is alot of work for both partners. All of this control you are seeing may well be your wife's attempt to reclaim her self in the midst of it all. It's like she's returning to the familiar. It may require an extreme effort to change the old pattern, but! Maybe next time she tries to make it about a spoon or a cup, you could gently say to her something like, "Oh, that's only a small thing in the light of my love and commitment to you." Every single time. Forgive yourself, draw your boundaries, clarify expectations, state with a smile that you know it's okay not to be perfect (recovering perfectionist here), and carry on. That is really all you can do. Thank you for stating so clearly what it can be like on the other side of the table.
thanks zanzibar
Submitted by dedelight4 on
Thank you Zanzibar for your post. It was very heartfelt and insightful. I too apologize if any of my posts were upsetting to you in any way. My ADHD husband is one of the ones who is still in denial of how much ADHD has affected his life and the lives of our family. We are supposed to start counseling soon, but getting him there is already becoming a problem. I wish he was as open as you are in talking about ADHD, because it would be SO helpful in our communication. But, he is one of the ones who won't talk about anything, so we are at a stalemate. I've never put him down, or tried to make him feel foolish, but so far, that hasn't mattered, and he's still angry and blames our daughters and myself for his unhappiness. I've learned to separate the ADHD from him as a person, and it makes it somewhat easier for me to be with him, but he must learn about ADHD for himself, like you have.
I hope you keep posting here because your insight will help the rest of us learn. And when you need to "vent", we are here for that too. Thanks so much.