Okay, starting over. Changing my post. Husband has ADHD and mood disorder issues. I have a history of mood disorder issues but no symptoms for years beyond normal responses to my environment. My symptoms were the result of living in a difficult home environment and with time away from that and focusing on healthy living the symptoms have gone away, but my reactions to some things can still be difficult.
We have been married less than three years.
I want to rely on him and I'm pissed that I can't.
Husband was supposed to take care of the rent. We usually automate this to avoid these problems, but this month there was an issue. He told me in a text he'd take care of it after therapy, comes home at bedtime saying he stopped somewhere to get the money order after visiting with friends, and they didn't have money orders, so he just came home. We are late on the rent, which I hate. And he didn't even try to go anywhere else. Nor did he call and tell me he didn't find a place that was open to see what I recommended or wanted. Nor did he keep his word that he would do this after therapy. He waited until he had play time. (But apparently also forgot that he said he'd do it after therapy because he told me that I was making it up. Thankfully I had the text to prove what he'd told me in the first place.)
I do my best to not rely on him in these matters, because the disappointment is so deep, and I get so angry and hurt, and I don't keep it to myself very well. I still have not let go of the expectation that a wife can and "should" depend on a husband, that it is a mutual caretaking experience, that I can let go and relax a little and trust him to pick up the slack. So I try to avoid situations where he will risk letting me down, but I couldn't in this case.
I spent the last 3 days reminding him about this. We cannot blend our finances because he doesn't take responsibility for fixing his finances, and I refuse to do it. So we just keep it separate. But that means I require some participation to keep the house going.
What's worse, is if I raise my voice even from a valid concern like not getting our rent after all this reminding, he shuts down and disappears and just stonewalls. "I won't talk to you like this." So what could have been resolved quickly, wasn't, because he avoids it all. Things were going well the last few days, but we don't do conflicts very smoothly. They drag out because he just wants me to stop being mad.
I don't know if he can't understand, or doesn't try, or what. His level of emotional awareness seems very small. Is that part of ADD also? If I'm happy, he is happy, and if I am unhappy with his choices, he just wants to go away, does not try to understand, often does not want to understand, so nothing changes. That's not fair. He acts emotionally like a child, and learning about ADD I start to wonder if that is actually his brain keeping him from being more mature. I don't want to say that to him because it will add to the list of excuses for why he doesn't follow through.
I am working on not enabling. That means trying to find a balance. I don't want to be demoralizing, but the level of emotion I feel when he doesn't follow through is just really intense. I don't call him names. I try to not intentionally make him feel bad. But I do think I need to be authentic or I will not be able to process my feelings. I will have sooo much resentment to carry around if I just grin and bear it. The problem is he stonewalls, so nothing gets sorted. I end up feeling resentful anyway.
Each let-down hits the same place as all the others, so in spite of my efforts to stay present, to forgive, to focus on the positive, when I do feel let down, it is so intense. It mixes with all the other moments he has let me down. I just don't know what to do with that right now.
Thank you for this space of community for me to try and understand better how to respond to this in a healthy way. He does try to treat me well, he tries to cooperate, he tries to create a happy space with me. He is learning that I am not his maid, and I am not his ex wife who stayed home and did not ask for any help in the house. I expect an equal partnership and generally he tries to give me that. He can be caring and funny and playful. But the realities of trying to navigate a new marriage with ADD symptoms are wearing on both of us. I often have thoughts of "it's not worth it" when he lets me down and I express that disappointment, only to find him disappearing. So now I'm let down and abandoned also. Yay.
This isn't easy but I hope if I educate myself it will get easier. In the meantime I am working on making myself happy regardless of what he is doing.
Yes!
Submitted by HyperBallad on
Oh yes. So sorry for your frustration. My husband has the same issues. It is so upsetting! It's definitely a challenge to be in a relationship with someone you cannot rely on!
I came across this pdf about Relationships and ADHD. It offered me some relief. Hope it helps you out too!
https://www.chadd.org/Portals/0/PDFs/Relationships_and_ADHD.pdf
Thank you! I will share this
Submitted by highestgood on
Thank you! I will share this with him when the timing seems right :)
Doing Things Differently
Submitted by kellyj on
Hi Highestgood,
I'm an ADHD (male spouse) who's been working on this for a while.....actually years! lol I've made all the mistakes you can make multiple times so I don't think there is anything you could say to me at this point that could hurt my feelings or make me extremely defensive about my ADHD. Having said that.....I still have to catch myself all the time from defaulting to old habitual behaviors and reactions simply out of years of programmed conditioning. These are almost entirely habits now but it still doesn't mean I don't do them occasionally if I'm not staying on top of myself. In order to do this.....being aware and staying that way on daily basis is not only necessary it's mandatory if you are going to manage your ADHD symptoms. This requires a lot of work and effort but it does get easier the more you work at it. Even then under stressful situations or times.....my performance level will fluctuate and I need to take a break like anyone else to recover since no one under any circumstances ADHD or not can go none stop without a break or rest and be expected to perform or be at their best.
These are the toughest times for my wife and I because she will succumb to her own weaknesses which does appear to be one of the most common ones for most people who are married to us and one of them is something that you just mentioned when you said " I often have thoughts of "it's not worth it" when he lets me down and I express that disappointment, only to find him disappearing. So now I'm let down and abandoned also. Yay.
I hesitate to call this a mistake on your part even though as an objective outsider who has ADHD....I can clearly see this as one good example of a place where you could do something differently once you understand that you actually have a missed opportunity to exert some real control into these situation by not doing what you feel is only normal and reasonable for anyone to do in this situation. The mistake is not that you are doing anything wrong or what would be considered "normal" under "normal" circumstance....it's that you are not understanding that since we are not "normal"....."normal" approaches are not going to work the same as it would for you. ( I am laughing at myself in this case just to be sure:)
I totally commend you for what you are doing and for what you said about wanting to understand better ways to respond is exactly what you should be doing and by no means do I want to criticize you by saying that you are making a mistake. I get that you are looking for answers and I am intentionally segueing into making an important point by saying it to you this way....I think spouses with us need to be open to hear what they are doing that can either make things better or make things worse which at the end of the day...will only serve both of you at the same time.
The chain reaction from the time you questioned whether it was worth it.....to you feeling let down an abandoned has everything to do with what transpired in the middle of this for you. You actually have more control of this situation than you realized if you understand what you can do differently and still not compromise yourself and be able to be heard and respected at the same time.
This is your strongest asset right now from how I see these things This isn't easy but I hope if I educate myself it will get easier. In the meantime I am working on making myself happy regardless of what he is doing. If you can maintain that attitude and not lose sight of it at the times when your husband is having his own weak moments I think it will pay off big time for you and he will not only notice but he will respond in kind.
Hyperballad included an excellent link to some good information in her comment to you that I think everyone on this forum should take a look at. (I personally got a great deal out of it at a glance.....it was really telling for me on many levels) I think most of the spouses here that have been here for a while are really struggling with more than just ADHD in their personal situations. The list given about comorbid disorders makes it pretty clear to me just where the problems really exist in many of these marriages in my opinion. For me.....it was easy to see where I fit but I am not on the level of disorder but.....my tendencies definitely fall more towards the passive aggressive category with a touch of oppositional defiant and avoidant thrown into the mix. It was also really interesting to see that actual % of these co existing conditions compared to some who has just ADHD with more of a leaning in behavior one way or the other without it being a predominant problem on the level of a disorder. As I recently read something that said that "correlations" do not imply "causality".....perfectly stated. From my understanding....this is a good way to see these things.
In your husbands case.....his behavior sound looksmore avoidant for example by your description so looking at and understanding the underlying things associated with this could be really useful to you in knowing some things not to do with him that might incite some kind of inadvertent reaction that you don't want by simply doing you would normally do (or anyone else for that matter) and not understanding why you shouldn't in the first place. I think this is the source for so many avoidable conflict by easily substituting a different response yourself to the same emotions you are having without feeling like you are losing something in the process.
If you can get past your own feelings you experiencing yourself and setting this kind of example.....I can't tell you how much I notice these things with my wife and it only makes me try harder with re-newed energy each time I see this kind of effort on her part. I think the rest of the article that Hyperballad linked to you is a good place to look at possibly but with a word of caution that I just read Melissa mention recently about trying to diagnose your partner. I've had lot of professionally help with narrowing myself down and to this day...my therapist resists diagnosing like the plague. I find it useful at this time to use to guide me to an area of understanding for myself and doing the same thing with my wife just for that reason only. In this same way....it how I am suggesting this might help you too:)
J
"If you can get past your own
Submitted by highestgood on
"If you can get past your own feelings you experiencing yourself and setting this kind of example....."
That's the key, isn't it. I am working so hard on this, and it isn't easy. This relationship is forcing me to deal with a lot of expectations I didn't know I had until they were not being met.
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Submitted by overwhelmedwife on
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Nor did he keep his word that he would do this after therapy. He waited until he had play time. (But apparently also forgot that he said he'd do it after therapy because he told me that I was making it up. Thankfully I had the text to prove what he'd told me in the first place.)
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Aren't you sooo glad that you had that text as proof! Keep that in mind in the future and text these things as much as possible.
I have learned to rely heavily on texts and emails to document what I've said and what H has said. I can't tell you how many times that has helped me show H that his claims that I didn't tell him something or that he didn't agree to do something are wrong. It's actually helped him become a little more self-aware because before he'd just go off and believe that he was right, so no need to change anything or need to believe that he could be wrong.
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is if I raise my voice even from a valid concern like not getting our rent after all this reminding, he shuts down and disappears and just stonewalls. "I won't talk to you like this." So what could have been resolved quickly, wasn't, because he avoids it all. Things were going well the last few days, but we don't do conflicts very smoothly. They drag out because he just wants me to stop being mad.
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Even tho you are completely justified for raising your voice a bit, you'll have to learn not to do that. Otherwise, he'll hang his hat on THAT (you yelled at me!!! waahhhhh!!! ), instead of dealing with the issue. Don't make it easy for him to point to that (your raised voice) as an excuse to "run away" and not deal with the issue.
It took me awhile to learn not to do that. I would feel justified, but H would just use that as an excuse to either run away from the issue or (worse) say that I'm being bitchy or that I made him "feel bad" and therefore I'm the "bad guy" and I must apologize....lol (oh wow!)
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He is learning that I am not his maid, and I am not his ex wife who stayed home and did not ask for any help in the house.
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How and why did that marriage end? Who sought the divorce?
Obviously, I don't know the ex-wife, but I easily could have been her if H and I had divorced. H filed for divorce twice.
I'm sure that if H and I had divorced, he would have found himself in a new relationship with a woman who would have been annoyed that H expects a wife-maid to take care of him. Believe me, it's not the role I wanted, but when you have no choice (H won't do any chores, won't clean up after himself, leaves messes, etc), then I became the maid. There was no way that I was going to raise our kids AND work a full time job while also being married to someone who was like a big-child himself....only worse....because he was an adult who couldn't be managed like a child. So, for much of our marriage, I was the SAHM who did way too much for my H.
The funny thing was....Until we separated the second time (the first time, H lived with his brother's family and they "took care" of him), and H was "truly on his own" (no wife-maid and no brother's wife taking care of him), then suddenly he became more aware of how much I did for him. All of his complaints about me (mostly imaginary) came crashing down once he no longer had someone to do his laundry, cook him meals, clean his home, clean his bathroom, make sure that bills were paid, help him find the many, many, many things he'd lose, etc. Before that, he thought I did nothing....lol...and he thought that he could "easily take care of himself". lol The first week, he locked his keys in his car twice, lost his keys 3 times, and couldn't find his phone for a couple of weeks.
I am definitely seeing the
Submitted by highestgood on
I am definitely seeing the value of having things in writing!
You're right about raising my voice. There was another issue and he started to use that as an excuse for why he was not talking to me about it, and I was able to point out that I was coming at him calmly in this situation so that was an excuse.
I'm really blessed in that he is willing to clean up after himself if I remind him, and we are negotiating a mutually agreeable stance on the chores. I interrupt activities to ask him to follow through on a task to completion, and he gets irritated with me, but it will probably not get done if I don't interrupt him like that. Big one is the kitchen cabinets *wink.
I even got him to sit down this weekend and go through some bill paying, personal business type stuff he'd been avoiding!
Be prepared for a "new excuse
Submitted by overwhelmedwife on
Be prepared for a "new excuse". Once you've taken the "you yelled at me" excuse away, he'll soon manufacture another, so be on your guard. It may be: "you nag too much," or "You're too bossy," or "you think you're perfect"....or something else....anything else to divert from the subject at hand. Have a calm response to the "new excuse." ( So, now that I'm keeping a calm voice, are you now going to use the, "you're a nag" excuse to avoid issues?) Calmly call him on it directly.
I saw that you're not mixing finances. That is a very good decision...and keep them separate forever, if you can.
I still cannot add my H to my credit cards. Anytime I've tried, and we've agreed to only use them for emergencies, then boom! He soon racks up $1000.00+. "oh, I forgot that I charged that and that and that."
Early last summer, H got a new credit card on his own with a low limit. Then, without him realizing it, the limit was raised a LOT. (H wasn't paying attention to notices). Suddenly, he had a few thousand charged to it. He acted completely surprised. He thought that he still had the "low limit" and thought that he could just charge, charge, charge until he'd reach his limit and be denied. He had not mentally kept a running tab of "oh I spent XXX here, and YYY there, and ZZZ there." That is too hard for an ADHD person who is also compulsive. They live in the moment.