I found this site via the NY Times article. I am the person with the ADD. I struggle with it, and have had some small help from Adderall, but now I'm taking a drug holiday. Clutter sickens and paralyzes me. I've hired an organizer to help me clean up the mess, but recently I had an unexpected catastrophe and lost half my income, so I can't afford much help any more. I know that I need structure in my environment, by which I mean places to go and things to do which punctuate my time. But I'm having a lot of trouble finding that structure.
Yes, I know that the Non-ADD person is frustrated when the ADD person gets stuck playing a computer game. I saw a response on one of the blogs here from a wife who was pained at her husband's playing Freecell on and on. For me, getting lost in a computer game is like putting a leash on and keeping myself from running all over. And it's a painkiller and anti-depressant that works better than any pill I've ever taken.
I'm almost 69 now, and it seems to me that things that are open to a younger person are not as open to me. I'm not asking people to "help" me by suggesting that I volunteer, that I go to church, that I take classes at the local community college. I'm well aware of those things.
I'm tired and depressed. I know from experience that being depressed for me comes from feeling disempowered.
My partner has pretty severe Borderline Personality Disorder. He's paid lip service to having it, but he claims he's cured now (he read a book) and that maybe he never had it anyway. I feel as if we're in an uneven situation. I'm making an effort, as well as I can, to take responsibility for my ADD and to cope as well as I can. My partner doesn't address his Borderline at all.
I take the blame. It's my ADD, and I know better than to say anything about the Borderline.
I've been reading some of the blogs here, and I'm pained and distressed. The way the ADD person is described sounds like my BPD partner. Doing something hurtful and forgetting it, leaving the Non-BPD person hurt and carrying the pain all day. Zoning out and not listening. Promising to do something, claiming to "try", but doing nothing. (About that trying, nothing is being done in the form of action, but inside the person is struggling. I respect my partner's "trying" because I know how it is. I'm sitting on my butt in front of the computer, but internally I'm at war with myself. My partner spends hours in front of the TV. He struggles, too.)
Sometimes my partner rages at me for not being "fixed". He thinks I should just stop having ADD, just like that. He thinks I don't care because I can't simply get well on demand.
My partner's Borderline was discovered when he was being tested for ADD. The psychologists didn't find any ADD, but they did find the Borderline. He has all nine characteristics.
I'm venting. That's really all I'm doing right now. I don't want to go to a 12-step group, I don't want to contact any agencies. I've been that route and been there for a long time. A friend was chiding women who ask for help but don't take the advice. I said, "But what if the help isn't helpful?" I have asked for help, help, and more help, but the help I've found isn't helpful at all. So now I've stopped asking for help.
In "Games People Play", Eric Berne described the game, "Why Don't You? Yes, But". I have to be careful to explain that I'm not fishing for advice, because friends will try to fix me if I need to talk about a problem I'm having. I'm not asking to be fixed here.
I do have a therapist whom I see once a month. I don't expect him to get me to make any changes. Rather, I see him as a kind of Hospice, a kind of palliative care to help relieve the pain of a stressful situation.
I have to keep from getting depressed at reading these blogs, though. As I said, the description of the ADD person sounds more like my BPD partner and less like me. Please don't accuse me of being in denial. I've lived with myself almost 69 years, and I know what does fit and what doesn't. I had a psychiatrist insist that ADD people are always late, even though I'm conscientious about being on time, for instance. Not all ADD people have all the ADD symptoms.
I saw that when there are two ADD people, one of them will often get better and will start doing the things that need to be done, will take on the role of the Non-ADD person. I think that can also happen in the case of an ADD person and a person with another disorder.
Thanks for letting me vent.
Are you here?
Submitted by icdsx25 on
I'm surprised nobody commented on your post in over 3 years!!!
Are you still around? We could correspond as I also have ADD and my girlfriend BPD I believe.
Sincerely
Pete
Marriage with ADD partner and BPD partner
Submitted by Diana on
I'm BPD. He is ADD. We are both dependent. Not a fun mix. We are older and married 3 3/4 yrs, and it has been volatile and unhappy. I lose hope. If anyone out there is in a similar boat, maybe we can share ideas and resources.
Same boat and taking on water
Submitted by Slfranco on
Diana
This is 4 years later, and I hope you were able to find some support and a resolution that was healthy for both of you! (Ideally together, but maybe not). My husband (of 12 years tomorrow) has BPD and I have ADHD. We are clinging to a thread of hope that seems to be thinning faster than we can strengthen it.
We struggled, increasingly, for the first 10 years of our marriage, but things started to really boil after birth of our (only) son and then erupt after my husband's knee replacement and complicating PTSD flashbacks this spring.
I have wondered through the years if I had ADHD, but finally accepted/believed it this summer--almost, if not already, a little too late. What held me back for so long was my resistance to my husband's insistence that my way of communicating was horribly wrong and surely no one could understand me. My resistance was strengthened by the fact that only with my husband did I struggle--leaving me to conclude that it was his complicated myriad of psych issues and not I to blame.
Now we both realize we have behaviors that contribute. Unfortunately, we are struggling to believe that we can overcome our vast differences as well as our painful past.
We are talking--sometimes without resulting in hurt feelings--and fighting a little less. We have each found books on our own disorders to help the other and ourselves better understand. The big conundrum, however, is how to process all this new material in the context of our seemingly unique situation. These texts discuss how the affected spouse and unaffected spouse should and shouldn't interact. One text even addresses how two spouses who both have ADHD can thrive together. The trouble we are finding comes with trying to combine information about the individual disorders and find cohesive solutions. I am feeling quite overwhelmed!
I hope you are on a journey of hope toward a joyful and peaceful relationship!
Sarah....
Submitted by c ur self on
I've found most of the problems in situations like your's and your H's....Is the unwillingness by both parties to accept the inability to communicate....We are very similar....It's so difficult to not speak at the same time (inattention, and can't retain thought patterns, but both are long-winded) and discipline ourselves to listen, even when we are lost, or burning up to stress a point....
I suggest you both AGREE to do some extreme things....Take a trial week, where you only speak to one another setting down face to face, and AGREE to keep it to 5 minutes or less...Any other things that must be shared do it by kind text messages (emotionless information swapping)....(Barring emergencies of course)....See how the week goes....
What makes conflict for us, has always revolved around Selfishness, pointing it out, and justification of it...(of course selfishness leads to many other things, like disrespect etc..).....When we live in denial of our problems, we are hopeless to correct them....Focus on quietness...It's difficult to fight when you refuse to judge, make accusations, or even talk verbally....
If you start the 5 minute talks w/ prayer (if you pray) a long embrace and a soft kiss....And end it the same way....You may find out a high percentage of your conflict is found in two things....Selfishness and the inability to communicate properly and respectfully....
Blessings
c
Thank you
Submitted by Slfranco on
Thank you
These sound like uncomplicated but marriage saving strategies. I will be sure to discus this with my husband and commit to sit-down, face to face and brief communication for a period of time ( at present a week seems like quite a while... But maybe once were on board it will fly by). We will also work to suspend judgement and identify selfishness!
Again, thank you!
ADHD and BPD
Submitted by Resigned2B on
Dear Diana and a number of others who have posted on this subject,
For all of those who may be suffering with borderline personality disorder, take heart. According to BorderlinePersonalitDisorder.org BPD generally starts in the early 20s and over 80% grow out of it in 10 years. In addition, few of those recovered 80% will rarely ever have setbacks.
All those who have ADHD who have married BDP it’s a terrible combination since they feed off each other. The one with ADHD, who naturally has the tendency to ignore their partner will trigger, even further BDP symptoms in their partner. A true recipe for suicide on the part of the Borderline partner.
Since there is no effective medication for BPD the best thing you can do is to get counseling from somebody who specializes in it that area who doesn’t have a hatred and a predisposition to cast-type a Borderline. This diagnosis tends to upset therapists and brings out the worst in a therapist who already suffers from their own issues. And as we all know many, if not most, of them do. Many people go into the field of therapy to satisfy their own need to understand their personal issues. I found this out the hard way after 30 years of therapists.
One of my therapists actually suggested that he and I have an affair so we could find out what the ‘true problem’ was. That man lost his license.
Hugs to everyone on this site. And all of those visitors who come to read and desperately are searching for answers to what is happening in their lives. The pain is horrible and after 35 years of being married to ADHD and having three birth children together, two with ADHD, in addition to three previous children from other marriages, we are now getting divorced due to financial infidelity.
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My wife has BPD/Histrionic Personality Disorder and I have ADHD
Submitted by Cx3 on
My wife has BPD and Histrionic Personality Disorder and I have ADHD. We've been married for 4 years and are thinking about getting a separation. It's a hard pill to swallow. We were both diagnosed this year. We been through 4 marriage counselors. I think we're just too tired to go on. We know we love each other we just can't get along long enough to enjoy the love we share. Very sad. Just venting
Sometimes..
Submitted by sunlight on
... marriage ruins a relationship, you know?
Perhaps separation, or staying married but living apart, for a while or forever, will give you each space to enjoy each other. Nothing wrong with being 'unconventional' if it works. Best of luck to you both.
I like this sunlight...
Submitted by c ur self on
I've always been stringent, closeness at all cost...Funny though, some of us are so lacking in the ability or desire in some cases to be flexible. (I mean to move toward one another, to be remolded to fit each other).
So, if this reality belongs to one or both parties in a marriage because of fear, how our minds work, past unresolved emotional damage, or just whatever. When faced with this kind of reality, At this point love and trust may take on an unfamiliar face called:
Adapt for survival....
BPD and Histrionic Personality Disorder
Submitted by Resigned2B on
Dear Cx3,
I am so sorry. I know your post is old and you were just venting. But anybody that understands these two combinations knows the pain you are in and the pain your wife is in.
All my best.
add/bpd relationship
Submitted by myfather'sson on
I too am in this boat (i wonder how many others are too). I'Ve been in this relationship for 16 1/2 years now (could this be a record in such a toxic relationship (and please pardon my grammar and punctuation)), I'm the ADD half and even though I am taking adderol and going to therapy, my partner's BPD makes my symptoms worse (and I suspect that I make her symptoms worse as well). I suppose our saving grace is that I have difficulty with memory and feel like i live in a bubble which extends only a short distance into the past or future. I'm not good with communication' so I'm going to stop here.
My fiancé is ADHD I’m BPD
Submitted by Ashleyw on
I haven’t been diagnosed but based off symptoms I’m 99% sure. I don’t believe I’m bipolar or depressed. My fiancé has been diagnosed withADHD and refuses to get help. It’s been making our relationship difficult. I don’t even know if we’ll make it to marriage.
Resources
Submitted by Slfranco on
I have the ADHD and my husband, the BPD. Please refer ro my other post. Just adding a note to share a few books we are working through now:
Loving someone with Borderline personality disorder http://a.co/bVMYmOs
I hate you don't leave me http://a.co/i8We4SU
The ADHD effect on marriage http://a.co/1YfaOQS
Your life can be better http://a.co/agqup9G
Thank you!
Submitted by MelissaOrlov on
Sarah - thanks for posting these resources for those interested in BPD. I am not an expert in BPD, however I have sent a request to Dr. Hallowell to write something on the topic. I don't know if he will, but if he does, I will link to it from my blog. He would be able to provide an excellent overview.
In the meantime I will also try to get more upt to speed on the topic to see what, if any, insights I might also be able to offer.
And thank you
Submitted by Slfranco on
Melissa,
In addition to hearing what information Dr. Hallowell might provide, I believe I speak for many when I say I look forward with gratitude toward hearing your insights. Thank you for your compassion and commitment!
Thank you
See also
Submitted by bowlofpetunias on
See also
Randi Kreger at https://www.bpdcentral.com/
and
https://www.bpdfamily.com/
Not all ADD people have all the ADD symptoms.
Submitted by AdeleS6845 on
Right on. My fiancee has ADHD. He is extremely punctual, rarely late. He is an excellent cook, and very organized most of the time.
Congrats!?
Submitted by 1Melody1 on
Hey Adele,
I get that this is off-topic, but did you get recently engaged? I feel like you recently went from saying "boyfriend" to "fiancee." So happy for you if that's the case!! Now more on-topic, I love reading your posts because you are with someone who seems to take his ADHD seriously. It is an underrepresented viewpoint on these forums and I appreciate it.
Congrats!
Thank you 1Melody1
Submitted by AdeleS6845 on
Yes...Engaged at 54.
He surprised me on a horse drawn carriage ride in a scenic town that we like to visit every year...I said when we met: "I'm never getting married again." Happy to say I changed my mind. : )
Wonderful!
Submitted by 1Melody1 on
That's amazing, Adele! :) :) :)
BPD Mil Wifey and ADHD Husband
Submitted by Gypsy-Sunflower on
I have recently been diagnosed with BPD and have been trying to work alongside my therapist to unlearn maladaptive behaviors. For me, it was a click to finally begin to address underlying issues. I also take medication to manage depression, anxiety and have undergone inpatient treatment. I work in my workbook, do my therapeutic homework, and try to use positive coping mechanisms like yoga to develop mindfulness.
However, much to my husband's denial I think he does have adult ADHD. Our marriage is already faltering and I usually get blamed for all the issues. When it takes two to work on a marriage.
He has a higher-up who has ADHD and according to their own account, they think alike.
"Do you sometimes in the middle of the conversation lose track of what someone is saying?" He told me once at a party.
"Yes! All the time." My husband responded.
"I just tell people 'that's really cool' when I forget what they were saying." His NCO said.
He has some signs like hyper-focus (he explode if I distract him during a video game), time management issues, disorganization, forgetfulness when I ask him something, interrupting people in the middle of a conversation, restlessness, and procrastination.
Maybe it just me looking too hard...I just wish he would work on himself too in our marriage. Can't work on we without you and me. Because it isn't just me. I don't know what to do.
This, this, this, this, and
Submitted by basedhd on
This, this, this, this, and this.
I have ADHD and my wife has the BPD. She doesn't quite acknowledge it. She said a psychiatrist diagnosed it provisionally 20 years ago then withdrew it. I think the psych diagnosed it plain and simple, and she's preserving deniability which is a key factor in her behavior. However, she freely admits and discusses all the symptoms, using the same wording as the literature. She is a therapist herself, a mid-career change. There's so much detail I won't even get into. With my characteristics it's a novel, or very little. But -- this is out there. This, this, this, and this. For me, our conflicts make my work a daily struggle. Having the child brought out so many dimensions of the conflict.
This, this, this, and this.
I bet it's a novel...LOL....Same for many of us....
Submitted by c ur self on
Well, the way I see it (try to live it)...If we can own it (our tendencies and behaviors) we do well, if we can never judge each other, or lose site of what is truly important, love and mutual respect, we do even better....But, it takes acceptance of each others reality for that to happen....
Bless you friend...
c