I feel as if I have lived in my husband's warped reality for so long, that I can't even imagine another world out there. Since my son was born nearly 3 years ago, it has become painfully obvious just how much of my attention and energy my husband was demanding of me. I could no longer live my life as a zombie, waiting for yet another one of his needs demanding attention - such as finding his phone for the 16th time that day or identifying the butter for him. I could no longer live having him interrupt me in anything and everything I did, because there was a baby who really needed me.
It became worse over those years. My husband could never be bothered getting out of bed on the weekends to care for the baby while I did much needed organization and cleaning. He wouldn't bathe our son for the first two years of his life because, my husband claimed he "didn't know how". My husband "doesn't know how" to do most things that don't involve a computer - either working or playing at one. He "doesn't know how" to go to bed at a reasonable hour in order to get up in the mornings. He "doesn't know how" to cook anything except hot dogs and steak. For everything he takes on that is out of his comfort zone - which is every task inclusive of walking from room-to-room - he asks me a million questions. He couldn't be sure if, when filling the baby's sippy cup, if there was too much milk or not enough or whether it should be warmed, and if so how much. We're talking about a cup that cannot hold more than 4 ounces at a time. He "doesn't know how" to put things away in our home because he can't remember where anything goes. For this reason, he cannot pick up our son's toys (no idea where they go in our son's room), cannot put laundry away (no idea where it goes), cannot put pots away - provided he ever washes them, etc. This is actually a vast improvement over when I first met him when he "didn't know how" to distinguish a washing machine from a dryer and "didn't know how" to turn the finally identified washing machine on.
But that wasn't all that served to solidify my feelings of abandonment. I could not count on his parents for help when they were here. My mother-in-law "doesn't know how" to sort flatware and "doesn't know how" to change a diaper and "doesn't know how" to make a bottle of formula, despite the instructions for measurement being on the can. She was unable to make toast in my toaster oven, because she could not figure it out. My father-in-law "doesn't know how" to do most of anything that involves going outside his own comfort zone, so he "doesn't know how" to mop a floor or "doesn't know how" to dust a surface. They can't work the straps on any baby item. They can't change my son's clothing. My mother-in-law, at least, would adjust her thought processes down to a baby's or toddler's method of play. My father-in-law "doesn't know how" to do anything with a baby or toddler except demand that he watch cartoons with him.
They're not much worse than my own mother, who is unable to find my home at all. I am from New York City and moved to a suburb north of it. My mother, who has lived in New York City for all of her life, is unable to comprehend the area in which I live. She also "can't" locate Grand Central Terminal - despite working two blocks from it for nearly 20 years - which is where she would have to go to get a train to my town. For my mother to come here, I have to travel to Manhattan to show her how to do it. We're talking about finding a famous landmark and boarding a train within it.
My closest friend in this neighborhood once watched my son while I decorated for Christmas - another thing I must do alone because my husband "doesn't know how" to erect a Christmas tree. My friend had only to play with my then 8 month old son at the time and feed him lunch. She "didn't know how" to feed him. She had to ask me every 30 seconds if each baby spoonful of mashed plums was "too much" or "too little". She had to ask me what to do if my son got the plums on his lips, chin or cheeks and ask me if the way she was wiping his face was the "right" way.
It seems as no surprise that I might be an ADHD/ADD magnet, since those people must find others to take care of them, and think very little of living their lives in this kind of intellectual dependence. However, all of this has changed my perception of reality to that of a very distorted view of others. I find myself not being able to reach out for help, such as hiring a babysitter. In my area, babysitters and nannies are 15-20 dollars per hour. All I can imagine in hiring one is dealing with someone who will ask me if they should play with my son's trains this way or that way and where are my drinking glasses again and if this water is too cold for my son, or how about now, is this water too cold? I imagine having stand over this person, talking them through every diaper change and having to find every toy for them when it's right in their plain view. All of that spent over hours of my not doing what I needed to do and then handing her 60 dollars for the pleasure. I won't leave my son in a daycare, even if I could find one right now. I can only imagine caretakers like my in-laws who never notice when my son wanders off or touches something dangerous. I know only my experiences when I'm at their home and I must protect my son every step of the way while they're supposedly watching him.
I won't hire a housekeeper, because despite experiences to the contrary in the past, I can only imagine one who will ask me if the wood cleaner can be used on glass and vice-versa and ask me to identify which one is the mop again. Or one who is unable to place my flatware back in its container because they can't sort it. Or, perhaps, like my husband does, they will need to ask me if they should move all of the chairs from the dining room floor at the same time while they mop and, if so, have me examine which spot to which they temporarily moved them.
This is what someone else's ADHD has done to me. I have battled two viruses in the past month - this being the season for it and all. Both times were severe enough to keep me bedridden for 4 days and 2 days, respectively. Chaos reigned in the house because I was not there to direct the simplest of tasks. I wanted to die - for emotional reasons, not a physical illness metaphor. I wanted to die because I envision that this is the rest of my life. I fear that the whole world is loaded with people who cannot figure out how to walk somewhere or fill a glass of water, never mind ever be there when I need them. I am tormented by feelings of wanting to die, because if I did die, who would ever be there for my son. It seems that in a world of 6 billion people, there is no one but me who is able to do it. That makes no logical sense, of course, but it is the way I see the world now.
When I leave my husband, I will not ever become involved with anyone ever again. I can only picture now that all men are like this, demanding an intellectual subsidy that is beyond reason; unable to even wake themselves up in the morning without repeated aid. I don't want friends, because I can only picture that they are all need and no support. I don't want family members near me, because I cannot spend much more energy directing them how to use a toaster oven.
I just don't know how I'm going to be able to survive the years of my son's reasonable dependence without sinking into an abyss of despair from which I may never emerge.
I don't know why I even wrote this. I guess because I have nowhere else to turn for listening except the people on this board who are among the few hundred individuals on the whole planet who are able to use a toaster oven with ease, but who find themselves also having to carry their portion of the incompetent people out there.
Thanks for reading.
Time Heals All
Submitted by Almost Over Now on
Most of us on this forum who were in a relationship with someone with ADHD can really relate to your exhaustion, lack of trust, frustration and despondent perspective. Thanks for venting your feelings here - you're right, we do understand and you're very welcome. Many of us are here struggling to make sense of what happened in our relationships and find some way to move forward. You're still in the middle of it all but I'm sure once you leave your husband, you will slowly regain a happier, more hopeful outlook. You'll have a beautiful relationship with your son and maybe as your over-depleted energy and drained heart start to patch up and refill, you'll find someone new to love. You have many years ahead of you and so many beautiful experiences await you in life. You've just been anchored to a man who preoccupied so much of your energy that you couldn't enjoy any of that the way you should. Once you're free, it will all become available to you again.
Hang in there. Try to remember who you were before you met this man, or before any man started having power over your feelings like this. Maybe by reading other posts on this forum, the sharpest part of the sting you're feeling now will begin to wear away.
To Fabtemp
Submitted by Steph on
Fab, I would have laughed out loud if this post wasn't so darn sad and true! I too wonder what the "other world" is like since I have been stuck in the black hole of the ADHD world for so long. Trust me that it doesn't take very long at all to feel this way either. ADHD has this ability to morph the non ADHD person into a whole other being.
My husband "doesn't know how to ____ "( fill in the blank) as well. The simplest of tasks turns into the most frustrating thing for me. While I was making dinner the other night, he asked "what can I do to help?" Startling enough as that question was, I thought I would actually capitalize on it and asked him to set the table. In the middle of cooking our meal, I glanced over at the table. He was sitting in the den watching tv now, so I assumed he was done. I noticed that there were plates on the table. I asked if he was done with the table and he said yes. I asked him to put out the utensils and finish the table because he forgot them. He was all annoyed with this so guess what? He put out the utensils. Not even in the proper place -"I don't know where they go". What? You are 43 years old....have eaten at least 3 meals a day for most of those years and you don't know where the utensils go??? But of course I didn't say this, for fear of hurting his feelings. SO, I told him that we need glasses too, and water, and napkins and etc etc. until I told him exactly what should be on the table for a meal and where everything goes! So, it really wasn't worth MY effort for him to "help" me set the table. This is the same man who has multiple college degrees so he's no moron. Oh, and he hung up on my boss the other morning when she called because he "didn't know how to answer the phone." I kid you not. You pick it up! You pick the freakin thing up. Apparently he picked it up and hit "a" button, why would you hit a button , I don't know? So, now I have to answer the phone all the time AND set the table and do everything else. Maybe I should have married a monkey instead. I think monkeys can set the table and answer the phone.
Thank you Steph
Submitted by FabTemp on
I knew there would be those here who understand. One of the harder things to do in trying to normalize this situation is finding what "normal" is to begin with. I read a lot of posts on this board that have to do with how much the non-ADHD is to change their standards of performance expected out of the ADHD spouse. Those posts often come from a point of experience that is far more controlling and perfectionistic than I haev ever been. I'm not talking about a spouse who forgets items at the supermarket. I mean, he does forget items in every trip, but so what? I've done it too. I don't care unless the item is very important on that particular day. In those instances, he volunteers to go back out and get it anyway, because those days are usually extraordinary, like a holiday or a party or something. I'm usually swamped with other things anyway.
I really am talking about a man who will ask, in all seriousness, "Tell me what to do" when the request was "Can you clean the bathroom this weekend." Tell you what to do?? Um...it's the bathroom. It gets a lot of lint and hair collected on the surfaces. Take a paper towel and a cleaning solution to wipe those surfaces so that that stuff isn't on the surfaces any longer. After that, I got comments, objections, questions and interjections like these:
- "When you say 'lint and hair', that doesn't mean this white film on the sink shelf, right? Because you didn't mention that. So, I should leave that alone."
- "Come look at the tub, because it feels like it has a film on it. I cleaned the lint and hair out of the tub, but you didn't say to clean this."
- "So you don't want the laundry in the hamper done, right? You didn't mention it."
- "When you say 'cleaning solution', is that the Fantastik or the Scrubbing Bubbles, because neither of them say 'cleaning solution' on the containers".
Just like your table setting situation (which, BTW, is also the way my MIL sets a table), how is this NOT, in part, passive-aggression? How is my exasperation with this stuff in any part controlling or "demanding too much"?? If anything, what my husband is doing is demanding an unreasonable amount of micro-management from me. This sort of thing is not "inattention". If any of this was true "inability", then we're talking about an intellectual disability so profound that it should require institutionalization. But yet, it's not truly an intellectual disability is it? Because after one such go-around about what constitutes "lint and hair", replaced by the word "dirt", (which to him was not to be found in the bathroom because "dirt" means "soil"), I finally brought up to him that persons with Down Syndrome or other forms of mental retardation often take janitorial jobs if they're high-functioning enough to hold jobs. In those situations, did he really think that those people - with their IQs of 65 or 70 - had to ask these types of questions over the course of 12 years and still not get it? Or, did he think it was far more likely the case, that when developmentally challenged people take these kinds of jobs that they actually get quite proud of themselves for it and show a great deal of desire to acquire new skills?
He knew the answer. When he was a teen, he worked at a camp for mentally retarded teens in which the games and projects were designed to help them acquire skills. He knew how proud they were of improving skills and independence.
My point to him was that he is not "unable" to acquire these skills. He is UNWILLING to acquire these skills because he considers the task too beneath him to apply any effort to learn it. What's most maddening is that he refuses to accept any responsibility for his constant assignation of whatever is important to me to the "Not now" pile. He wants to keep insisting that he is truly "unable" to do these tasks without excessive management and supervision.
HA!
Submitted by Steph on
Made me think of the time he offered to do a load of laundry. I was thrilled. I went out to finish my errands and when I came home I was surprised to see him folding it all and putting it all away! Then I turned around and saw another full laundry basket...with all of my clothes in it still. I asked about that, he said "Oh, I didn't think you wanted your laundry done too!" He sorted through all the laundry and removed anything that belonged to me!
Tit-for-tat and passive-aggressive
Submitted by Almost Over Now on
My soon-to-be-ex was the same way. He would clean the things that were his but leave mine. He had a VERY strong 'tit-for-tat' mentality where he would often object to doing something I asked him because he had "just done" something around the house (he limited himself to taking out the trash or vacuuming once a month or so). The only reason we were able to get along at all and made the marriage last as long as it did was because I *didn't* keep score and let the inequalities build up by taking on the tasks he didn't step up to manage - but according to Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus this is more a male/female thing. It's just that much more aggravating when the man has ADHD and is hardly doing anything at all to help out with household responsibilities begin with.
My ADHD-er would swing between aggressive (screaming, bullying, verbal abuse), passive but above all passive-aggressive. One time I asked him to clean the bathroom, and after all his questions (much like yours), he went to it while I went out to run errands. When I came back, he was out somewhere, but the bathroom was only spot-cleaned and I found a cigarette butt floating in the toilet bowl. It was my apartment and I'd made it clear that if he had to smoke, he had to go outdoors. That butt in the toilet was his little "f*** you" for having asked him to contribute his share to our joint responsibilities.
Steph...Mine did the same
Submitted by Jeannie on
Steph...Mine did the same thing. Also, if I did my laundry first and my clothes were still in the drier but not quite dry, he would remove them, squish them into a laundry basket, and dry his own clothes, leaving mine in the basket to wrinkle and mildew. Or if mine happened to be dry, he would remove them, squish them in the basket, and I would find them all wrinkled and nasty. On the other hand, if I found his clothes in the drier that weren't dry, I would finish drying them and fold them up before I put mine in. I do have to confess, I really didn't want him to do my laundry because he would wash the darks with the whites in an overloaded tub filled with hot water. I know some of that is just a "guy" thing, not necessarily ADHD.
Steph, you made me laugh out loud
Submitted by BreadBaker on
Been there, done that, and you wrote it up so very well. It is horrible, it is sad, but sometimes, as heartbreaking as it is for us to endure, there's a certain comedy aspect, of the "WTF???" variety.
I've been separated for a number of months now. A few weeks ago, I noticed that the coffee coming out of the maker tasted "off." I cleaned the thing out with vinegar, scrubbed everything in it within an inch of its life, etc., but the coffee still tasted weird. Now, I'm not a coffee drinker (albeit I've been one since he left), but my husband is, and the maker was "his," since he drank 95% of it. He put the machine together, he cleaned it most of the time, maintained it . . . sort of. Since it was something that really *mattered* to him, it was pretty well taken care of (if it were something that was important to me, it wouldn't have been--and we all know what it's like when something of ours doesn't "register" because of their ADD, even though they don't mean to be neglectful--but I digress).
At any rate, the coffee tasted bad, and I couldn't figure out why.
In desperation, I looked up the instructions for any insights, thinking that perhaps there was something I missed. They mentioned that the coffee may taste "off" if the water filter wasn't replaced. "This thing has a water filter???" I thought. "My husband never mentioned it. Hmm. It needs to be replaced every six months."
And when was the last time this one had been replaced?
Over four YEARS ago! Or, more accurately, it was the one that came with the machine!
With a little bit of effort, I was able to locate it and dislodge it from the bottom of the maker. Do you know those little fabric/paper water filters that contain charcoal? They feel a little bit like bean bag pillows--they "give" when you squeeze them.
This one was so filled with minerals that it was SOLID! Like a rock!
I was angry for about 30 seconds, and then I laughed myself silly looking at this nasty little coal-like lump of a water filter that had been spewing who-knows-what into our coffee for years.
I dried it out and have kept it in a prominent place in the kitchen. Whenever I hear (again) that my husband thinks that his ADD is responsible for just a few, random, endearing personality quirks (yes, he really does think that), I look at it, shake my head, roll my eyes, and smile--maybe even laugh. Because if I don't--and I start thinking of everything else in our lives that was like that little, neglected water filter--I'll curl up into a ball and cry.
I love my Mr. Destructo, but I really wish he'd get help.
((((FabTemp))))
Submitted by Flower Lady on
Before I can even commiserate with you, I must say that you should seek out a therapist immediately to address the deep depression you're feeling. That's the most important thing right now. You cannot move past your husband/family problems and take good care of your son until you have the "tools" to do so...whether those tools be medication, counseling or a combination of both. Please find someone asap...ask your doctor or a trusted friend for a referral in your area. You must take care of YOU.
That said, for years n' years I felt that I had four children instead of three....my husband is a man-child. What's so obvious to you, me and most others isn't even a blip on the radar screen of my husband or yours...that helplessness, to me, is just an excuse to avoid responsibility and put the burden of every decision...no matter how small...on our shoulders. I've already cracked under the weight of this lunacy and you are cracking now. I made the decision to separate from my husband...it sounds like you have too as you say "when I leave my husband." Personally, just making any decision made me feel better. Perhaps when you sit down with a counselor you can discuss your options and come up with a game plan to help you... whatever that entails.
I wish I could give you a big hug, but just know that I can certainly empathize with you...most of us can. Keep us posted, k?
Thank you Flower Lady
Submitted by FabTemp on
First thank you for your strong compassion and sense of urgency to help me. I do have a therapist and weekly sessions. He's well aware of how my husband's behavior is a continual set-back in my progress towards ditching despair. He keeps urging that my husband also seek out psycho-dynamic counseling. He has loosely formed opinions on what he sees as my husband's strong identification with his mother's helplessness and incompetence. He doesn't dismiss the existence of ADHD. He just doesn't agree that it is the end all to be all behind my husband's behavior.
My husband also has a counselor. Surprisingly, it's the MD monitoring his medication who is engaging in psychodynamic therapy. My apologies to psychiatrists out there everywhere, but I've never had high expectations of their skills in psychodynamic therapy. From what my husband reports, however, this guy has gone off the rigid medio-biological block to get into it. My husband is happy with this guy and he seems to be making progress.
I'd be lying if I said that my husband has shown no changes since his diagnosis last year. He has. It's just that his improvement has gone from 1% effort to 5% effort. Yet, he didn't seek help until I was so depleted that I was in utter despair. I don't have it in me to give the 95% any longer, so our home is falling apart.
I'll accept your hug eagerly. I feel like there are so few people out there who can even understand this. My expectations of others are so diminished that, as I said in my first post, I won't reach out to anyone to help me. All "help" from adults around me has been nothing but more burden.
(As I described in my first post; this behavior is in my MIL, my FIL, my own mother and the one close friend I have in my current neighborhood.)
Incidentally to Flower Lady
Submitted by FabTemp on
I actually do have a plan of which my therapist is aware. I just formulated it at a point when I was carrying 99% of the burden around here and had zero expectations of my husband ever caring enough to improve further. In a way, it was more of a relief to know that I just could not count on him for anything, because I just didn't. These days, of his insistence of doing more, have been a battering of let-downs, dashed hopes and every other soul crushing experience I had to live before I had finally just cut him out of our day-to-day lives.
If I were to leave my husband right now, I would have to abandon yet another career plan because of my husband's disability. I would have to use daycare for about 11-12 hours a day (due to the nature of employment and commutation in my area). Both my son and I would be in utter misery compared to what we'd known or expected. I CAN earn enough in short order to support my son and I, but under very stressful conditions. Those conditions would mean no real change in the quality of my life, but would mean a devastation of my son's quality of life. If I get too far down, I will have to do it sooner than I expected to. If that comes to pass, however, my husband will find himself despised rather than just a divorced co-parent. It's not like he'd ever send child-support on time without my telling him exactly what to do. And it's not like he'd ever show up for visitations as he should without my directing his every move. I know he'd show up, but hours late every time.
would he talk & listen to a guy getting divorced over adhd?
Submitted by Dan on
As I read all these stories of non-ADHD spouses struggling with their still-blinded ADHD husbands... I'm thinking to myself... Gee, I'm getting divorced because of my ADHD, so I sit alone on a Sunday evening at a Barnes&Noble because it's not my week with the kids... yet there are all these still-lucky SOB's that haven't had their wife file for divorce yet... hmm?! If I could slap-them-upside their heads to wake 'em up, I would. My adhd thread: http://www.adhdmarriage.com/content/find-volunteer-slapper-your-husband-and-reason
I'm a techy, it's my business, I've always been busy with my career, 60 hour weeks and use to say to my wife something like, "You want me to scrub the toilet? I'm busy making money now, can't you hire a cleaner?" which led to her saying blah, blah, which led to me saying blah, blah,.... long story short, she hired a lawyer. Shock! I was then finally diagnosed with this "thing" called ADHD within a month. Hey, no wonder I could always think inventive and outside the box! Yeah, so you are thinking 'whatever?' Well, it's late and my Adderall has worn off. ;-) So getting on to my point...
What if there was an anonymous phone service, where the wives of the "still clueless ADHD'ers" can have their husbands dial-in to talk and/or listen to "clued-in ADHD'ers" so we can give them straight, honest talk, guy to guy? If I can save one-marriage, especially with children, the program is a success to me. The technology is quite straight-forward to set-up, just wonder if people would use it? What do you think? I wish my soon-to-be ex-wife gave me a phone-number to call, instead of giving me divorce papers. But she didn't even know I had ADHD... at least the spouses on this site are informed. Again, your husbands are lucky SOB's, I'd like to tell them how lucky they are.
Sign me up
Submitted by BreadBaker on
Although I doubt my husband would listen to anyone. He'd rather blame me--it's much simpler than confronting his disorder and what it did to us. The fact that I blame his disorder and not him means nothing.
Fabtemp..your not alone
Submitted by mom2three on
I'm so sorry for what your going through. It is hard to trust again. I will tell you battling ADD for 23 years has made me doubt everything, everyone in my life. I finally reached out a few months ago to a counselor and tried to get help and she never called me back to schedule an appointment. It took so much just to pick up the phone and call for help. I was so hurt. It made me think I deserved what I was dealing with. A few months went by and I knew I had to try again. I really needed the help. I found another counselor and she has been wonderful. I don't know why the other counselor did what she did, but I'm glad she didn't call back because I wouldn't have met my new counselor. Things in my life are already changing. Please don't give up.. there are competent people out there who can help. I can understand with all that you have been dealing with it is hard to have faith in anyone but please try...it will be worth it.
mom2three