I have been with my fiance for 5 years now. I have stayed quiet because I do not like confrontation or conflict. But honestly, I do not always feel cherished, loved, honored or respected. Instead, there are times that I feel unappreciated, lonely, betrayed, distrustful, and angry. I have been holding in a lot of anger and hurt feelings for quite some time. I have come up with every excuse in the book not to talk about it. I can no longer not talk about it. It only makes me more resentful. I know that I have let too much go and I do feel horrible for letting so much build up. But I was trying to be patient and hopeful. I was trying to place faith in my partner and our relationship. All the while, not understanding or taking consideration of his ADD. But I hoped that in telling him how I feel, that he would understand that this is my effort in making things right. He had been open in telling me how he felt, all the while I had been holding back.
We have both made excuses for his ‘acts’ by saying that is nothing more than something that he show interest in. But in the end, it does bother me. It does make me feel insignificant. I have told him how it makes me feel when he gets online and chat. Yet, he continues to and worse yet, he talks to women. But even worse than just chatting, he has expressed and encouraged the anticipation of physical contact. I know, because I occasionally check his computer and phone. I know this is deceitful, but felt I had no other choice, as he is not truthful when I ask what he was doing or who he was chatting with. Maybe that has to do with his ADD, that he is looking for that initial excitement like we had in the beginning of our relationship. I know that he has mentioned it several times. I know that we talked about how we hoped we would never lose that. But relationships do change. Everyone gets into that comfort level. Does he realize that he has made some women feel as I did in the beginning of our relationship? Ravished with both the attention and affection, because for a woman, the attention and affection are a key component to being attracted to a man. But in his mind, it is nothing more than an ‘act’ or a game. He gets so caught up in the act, that he do not realize the hurt he causes. I feel like he is so caught up in the excitement, as well as getting them to tell secrets, that he forgets to consider their feelings or even what they must think of him. Not to mention, my feelings.
He has lied and cheated, I feel, with little effort or remorse. He tries to justify his indiscretions by saying it was a mistake, but it means so much more to me. I may can excuse the act, but I cannot forgive how easily he does it. Yes, I agree that I was and can be despondent. But he assumed the worst and just allowed himself to cheat. I know it happened more than once. But either way, no matter how many times it may have or have not happened, it indicates how easily our relationship can be disregarded for his needs over mine.
Hoffe frau,
Submitted by I'm So Exhausted on
Hoffe frau,
I surely understand your frustration.
While I have not experienced any sort of betrayal with other women from my spouse - I have felt all the feelings of the emotions you have described.
There is a wide chasm of disconnect for me. My marriage cannot be sustained on my empathy that he cannot understand - or I cannot find a way to explain - or I must be numb-to/live-with/accept his behaviors.
There seems to me to be a common thread running through lots of these forum posts: "how easily our relationship can be disregarded for his needs over mine"
My own spouse's stance for quite a long while has been that the problems we have in our marriage are just "Liz's perception." and he need take no responsibility for them.
And there is the rub. How I feel/see/want is my own responsibility. There is a world of truth in that statement. That is the commonalty in the ideals of marriage. Two random people are not just assigned to each other. We are drawn to each other by what we feel/see/want. And then we build on what we feel/see/want. And try to find the balance and harmony of placing the focus on what he feels/sees/wants and what I feel/see/want.
It is very difficult to not assign "selfish" to his behavior. I can overlook or put-up-with an occasional bit of self-centeredness - but the patterns of behavior when one spouse's needs constantly trump the other, well that right there gives this person the desire to get far away.
Liz
Hoffe frau,
Submitted by Jenna72 on
Hoffe frau,
I really feel for you. While my fiance has not cheated (that I know of), he's an unbelievable flirt. If I try to call him on it, or point out the obvious that it's kind of disrespectful to continue flirting for long periods of time right in front of me, he INSISTS he wasn't flirting, just talking, then tries to tell me I'm crazy for thinking he would ever be interested in anyone else. Um, yeah. Sooo, whether he actually believes that or honestly doesn't realize it, I don't know. I have learned to ignore it, bc at this point I feel that if he finds someone else, it might just be a blessing in disguise.
I was passive for the first 2 years, the third yr turned into a yelling match, and this year I have decided to concentrate on me and how to make my life better, since he isn't thinking of anyone but himself. I don't think he means to be selfish, I think he doesn't have the capacity to think of anyone but himself first. I am unsure if I will be able to live like this for the remainder of my life. I miss having a relationship that's truly 50/50....
Well I kind of sort of, said it/did it
Submitted by Hoffe frau on
Recently, I have confronted my fiance about all that was bothering me. I started calmly and with a simple questions. It went from 0 to 100 in less than a minute, but not on his part- but mine. I let out my frustrations it seems all at once. With every word spoken, I felt lighter and lighter. Boy, I had no idea just how much weight I had been carrying! Once I had gotten it all out. I simply said "I am done!"
Hold the applause, because this is where it gets complicated. We have done a lot of talking and I am still here! We have agreed to try and work out our problems. It seemed like we were on the right track! He actually had been making an effort, however short lived. I know that I have faults and I take ownership of them, however I am not sure that I am willing to put any further effort into this relationship. But now I feel like a big fat liar! Why do I find it so hard to just pack up and go? I know I am capable of taking care of myself, I have done it before while raising my children. But they are all grown, with families of their own. Why do I seem to find an excuse to stay? Why do I allow him to manipulate me into feeling guilty?
I know what you mean
Submitted by Jenna72 on
Congrats on being able to get it all out in the open - it is soooo healthy for you to not have to carry that around!
I completely get where you're coming from in that you are disappointed in yourself for reacting the way you did. I can't tell you how many times I was thinking (and have said) I'm DONE. Please move out. And then he gets sad and quiet and asks for another chance to make things work - tells me all the things he's been doing to try and make things better. Points out that I never notice when he's doing things to make it better. And I feel guilty bc it's true - I don't always give him credit for the things he tries to change. That's primarily because they're so small compared to the HUGE things he's done wrong... But the guilt gets me... And then the next day I am so disappointed in myself.
Like you, I don't like confrontation. I find it both difficult and intimidating to be able to continue to live with someone that I've asked to move out. I HATE having to hurt someone I love. I mean, Its not that you don't love him - it's the behavior you don't love. it's hard to walk away from someone you love when they are saying they love you, and are asking you for another shot...
Congrats on being able to get your side heard!
Submitted by overwhelmedwife on
I ahve never been able to do that. Everytime I try, H shouts me down. Even when we went to therapy together, each T promised that I would get a chance to "have my say." Ha! Within a minute of me talking, H would begin yelling, telling me to "shut up", calling me a Liar. The T would try to stop him, but get nowhere. Then the T will say that we can't come back because he/she needs to be able to manage the sessions, which H won't allow. :(
Then H blames me for "bad mouthing" him and making him look bad to the T.
Then
UGH! Is this how it is going to be?
Submitted by Hoffe frau on
I am at my wits end! While I thought we were headed in the right direction and making progress...seems like I was wrong! For the past few days, he is right back to his hyperfocus on the computer. Which makes what little bit of trust I had been trying to build, go flying right out of the window. He had suggested that I could see what he was up to when we had our first talks. But last night when I went in, he was like 'Really??' And what do you know... old dog... same tricks!!!
Have you asked him how he'd feel if YOU did that with other men?
Submitted by overwhelmedwife on
If he claims that he wouldn't mind if you did this, then "call him on it." log on and start chatting with other men and see how he reacts. Not just one time, but time and time again.
If he claims that he won't mind, that is part of the "now," and "not now" ADHd thing going on. At the moment that you ask, it hasn't happened yet, so he has no emotion about it. But, once he sees you happily doing it, then the "new Now" will occur and he'll see how he would really feel.
Right now, he can't imagine how you feel because he doesn't yet have that feeling about how he'd feel if YOU did it.
Funny thing is
Submitted by Hoffe frau on
I have tried that. But that is one of the things he constantly says is one of his fantasies. He actually suggested that we do it together, as a couple. I sat in one night just to see how he interacted. It was too much! Imagine a remote ... on steroids... hopping around... 20 conversations at once. Then, when he asked me what I wanted to say or participate, I replied that I was not interested. That made him so mad.
He has no clue and I feel really does not care to even try.
Did you actually have
Submitted by overwhelmedwife on
Did you actually have conversations with other men? If not, you should have. The REALITY is very different from the fantasy. If you actually did it, then he likely would have soon objected that night...or later in the week.
for example....my H will frequently comment about how cute other actresses are, etc. (I do NOT care at all that he does this). But, out of curiosity, I asked him how he'd feel if I did that. Of course he claimed that he wouldn't mind (because at THAT moment, he had not yet experienced it so no emotion yet).....so .....when a cute actor was on TV, I made a comment about how cute he was, how pretty his eyes were, etc. I wasn't Over the Top or anything like that....just a couple general comments. H said little/nothing at the time...certainly nothing negative. BUT.....about a week later, he made a nasty comment that I never compliment him about His Eyes. Adn then he started a fight about how I never compliment him. Yes, I do compliment him, but he claimed that I don't compliment him about things that HE wants to hear about. Ugh.
Another example......My H will spend a LOT of time working out, going to the gym, etc. I asked him how he'd feel if I were gone so much. He said that he'd be fine with that and encourged me to do that. Ha! So, I arranged to volunteer one night a week. After the first night, H told me that he'd be going with me after that. lol
Also....now that I have my business and the networking that goes along with that....H hates it! He hates that my time is now occupied with other commitments. All those times that he would tell me that I needed to get a job (instead of taking care of the kids, which he did want me to do!?!), now that I am working, he's annoyed with the time that it takes.
It's part of that "now" and "not now" stuff going on.
You may be right
Submitted by Hoffe frau on
There have been instances in the past to where I would call him out and act on mild things he said were fantasies. And they all seemed to blow up into a huge argument. I let him rant and scream, then simply called him out by reminding him that he was the one who made the request. I am sure I know his reaction would not be a pleasant one, like you said- at the time or later. But why would I want to try and instigate a confrontation, when that is what I hate the most? I am a very non-confrontational person. Not only that, that seems to be a bit vindictive as well.
My fear also is that it never seems to be enough. He always comes up with something more and more. To the point that I am completely uncomfortable!