I have had a long standing issue secondary to my ADHD which I have literally no clue how to solve. Often (far more often than I am aware of, apparently, according to my husband) he tells me that when he brings up a concern to me, my "default mode" is to immediately bring up how that issue or his proposed solutions will affect ME. :( Ugh. He is right, but I do not know how to stop this. It happens before I can even process the entirety of whatever issue is at hand. I'm not a linear thinker and do not always see the big picture as he does. He sees the world in an organized way, sees the problems and multiple solutions at the same time in a way I probably never will. He considers everything and tries to make the best, most logical choice that will have the least negative impact on those around him. He puts our kids and me first.
Tonight, he brought up a situation with our kids that needed solving, and proposed a reasonable solution. I did not comprehend the problem the same way that he did at the time, either. With that in mind, my immediate response was to say I didn't want to do it, because I didn't know how to manage it, due to my executive functioning issues. This is the damn truth. I had a concern because I know myself, feared I would not be able to follow through, and I articulated my fear. I did not feel his proposal was reasonable at that moment as I hadn't really thought it out, so I was sincerely responding to what I DID see as an issue. I see the needle in the haystack without noticing the haystack at times. In my mind, I was just having a give-and-take conversation with him. He saw me as arguing, and the more I tried to explain my thinking, the worse it got.
I do take medication, am seeing a therapist who truly understands ADHD, and do regularly meditate. However, there's no cure for ADHD, and one second I think I am having a conversation, and the next, I'm scratching my head wondering why he is angry again. I do see his frustration. He is trying to be proactive, anticipate, and do the right thing. He told me tonight he doesn't even mind that doing this stuff, but it's the arguing that gets to him and inherent selfishness that he says I have, of putting me first. He does not consider that once I do process things, I do often reconsider, because by that point, he's furious and spent. This is a big improvement, y'all, that I can shift gears and change my opinion once I give consideration to "new" information, but he doesn't care, and I get it. He doesn't want to be the one who has to anticipate so many things, propose solutions, AND get grief for it. I have no idea how to stop myself, as impulsivity by definition, is something that happens quickly and my perception of the conversation is often wildly different from his (honestly, this is super frustrating for both of us). If I could change my processing to see the entire picture, the impulsivity would be much less of a factor, because I would not be triggered as easily, if that makes any sense.
Is there anything I can do to change how I react, or buy a little time before I respond? Is there a way I can try to look at his perspective first, and to try to understand the big picture and what he means before I word vomit a response? I was thinking that maybe asking clarifying questions might help slow me down, but need to be careful so he doesn't think that is another way of fighting, too. Maybe I could ask myself some questions before responding? Any ideas?
I know that being a distracted navel gazer is a real issue for people with ADHD and their spouses. Whether it's due to selfishness or an "interest-based nervous system," I could use some help with the solution.
Thank you all so very much.
Hi Adhdmomof2....
Submitted by c ur self on
This is an excellently written post (Your awareness is great, compared to what I am use to, even if it's after fact)...And it's also about a dynamic that effects so many of us...Here is what I think....(It's a little painful, but, worth it)...Your reactions to your husbands shared thoughts are turning negative quickly for a reason....And you say it's a fear based reaction based on your thinking that you would not be able to follow through...He hears immediate negativity, and gets frustrated...And with in just a few moments no one is calm enough to ask why? Why can't we have a simple conversation? Vomiting up our true feelings can be difficult...Because sadly, many times we don't even know why....But you are ahead of the game in that respect.....Fear isn't an excuse, it's a reason...So you and him need to drop back and start there....The reason arguments ensue in these moments is simply because Fear creates heightened emotions...And you may not even realize it, but, the moment he approaches you for one of these type conversations...You are already pushing back out of fear....(it's your history and its the comfort and discomfort these different realities have on your minds) (my wife and I are one flesh, but, our minds are a different story, our thinking and processing isn't even on the same planet).
So both of you need to set down and have a Pre-qualifying conversation (take just a moment) concerning what is fixing to be shared....Example:...Him...I want to share a thought with you for us to kick around and consider together, but, I don't want you to feel any pressure....Whether we do it or not is not as important as you calming hearing me out...Then us talking about the content without quick judgment...You...Fine, and thank you for considering my tendencies and allowing me this moment to relax and get into a listening and comprehension mode vs. a fear driven quick response mode....
This may seem like to much trouble for some....But because of our different realities it is necessary many times when what he wants to talk about (or you) may cause added work or routine change....
I've read your posts for years...I live w/ your twin...So I know how much both of you hate conflict that just seems to spring from no where at times...But it happens because we are not wise enough to understand how different we process things....(And our baggage) There is a lot that plays into it...
My wife is smarter than I am in many area's...But she works her butt off to stay on task, and avoid distractions...So there is always fear and push back there when I start communicating stuff that seems simple enough to me....We have to understand each other's tendencies and accept them so we don't fall into the traps you pointed out in your post....
I don't know if this is helpful, but I hope you can find a way to engage in every type conversation w/o fear...Also work on letting him finish, even if you are lost, tense and wanting to inturrupt....It's hard, I know:)
Blessings
c
C ur self, you nailed it!
Submitted by ADHDMomof2 on
C ur self,
Yep. Yep. Yep. You definitely get my thinking process, that is for sure! Thank you! :) I believe you are correct. He is hearing my fear coming through as negativity: complaining, not listening, criticism, and lack of appreciation, all rolled into one. Incidentally, these are NOT "a few of his favorite things." LOLOL! They may, in fact, be on the short list of crap he can't stand. Even though I don't mean it that way, it's the end result.
I totally agree that processing between ADHD/non-ADHD partners take place on different planets. And baggage. I could go on for days. I don't think that helps the old amygdala not to respond with fear. I do believe meditation is helping, but I have many more layers of anxiety to get through, I have learned. My running watch has been eye-opening. I have a low pulse from being in good shape, but I've noticed my pulse shoots up 30 to 50 beats like nothing while I'm not running, and I think I'm not that stressed. I am WAY more stressed than I think. I believe I have a strong parasympathetic response. I talked to my doctor about it, and she agrees.
And the pushback from your wife when you think you are having what really, honestly *should* be a simple conversation. Oh, things like this are never simple to the ADHD brain. As Ned Hallowell says, we see complexity in things that others don't. It would be nice to be a linear thinking in these situations, but I'm just not.
I would love to have the "pre-qualifying conversation" with my husband. I fear we are so disconnected, the mere suggestion would send him over the edge. Like, as in, he would view it as "I have to do something ELSE to cater to your whims," when all I want is to have a productive conversation and stop fighting. Any thoughts there?
ADHD mom...
Submitted by Zapp10 on
I am speechless after reading your posts. You so very well explained how you think and feel in the "communication" issue that drives us nons nuts. A huge thank you!
is there any chance you can show your H these posts? Your articulation is so sincere and clear.
Thanks for the feedback, Zapp10
Submitted by ADHDMomof2 on
Thank you, Zapp10, for the kind words. I don't think he would benefit from the words. It's actions he cares about, but thank you for your thoughts. :)
What do you mean by the communication issues that drive nons nuts? Asking because the more feedback I receive, the better I hope to understand my role and improve my situation.
ADHDmom,
Submitted by Zapp10 on
I am sorry that I did not reference your H's frustration with this particular occurrence (conversations...from simple to pressing) that happen through out the day. My view on this(not necessarily right here) ....communication verbally between ANYONE can have misunderstandings. My comprehension is no better than my H's and I have lots of oops moments. However, Adhd does add a bit more spice to the ease of conversing and it is not going to improve unless both parties AGREE not to go frustrated and this is a difficult habit for both parties to see and CHANGE. I, myself have walked away knowing I contributed but didn't see it in time to stop. UGH! This is what drives me crazy with my H as he is not medicated or instituting anything to ease ADHD symptoms on his end. Asking him a yes or no question can send him into the 'deer in headlight' stance. The lack of ease in conversing is my biggest heartache. It is lonely. That is why I appreciated your post. My desire to understand his actions and what I need to do in response.
I hope your H can take a deep breath......you are obviously in tune to Adhd being a part of you and I personally.....am envious of him.
Deer in headlights...I do this...
Submitted by ADHDMomof2 on
Sometimes, it is because he starts talking to me because my attention has not yet turned to him. I have a time delay sometimes. ;) I have learned to make him back up when this happens. He doesn't love it, but too bad. I tell him that I hadn't turned my attention yet when he had started talking. Other times, my brain turns the simplest question into the construction of Rome, and I answer the wrong thing. I have no idea how to stop this one. Definitely worse when I am stressed, and when we are fighting, but can still happen at other times. It's a negative feedback loop because I see him getting stressed because he can't ask me a simple question, then I get stressed, then my cognition flat lines. And finally, I can be asked a yes or no question, and I can visualize the answer in the distance, but I have to verbally navigate to it, when all he wanted was a simple yes or no. He thinks I do that on purpose, but it's how I process some questions. I wonder what the common denominator is, because it's not something that happens every time. He can't stand this, either. I'm not a fan, but what is the solution?
I did send him my original post amended for pronouns because I was talking to him. It did seem to calm him down quite a bit, and as usual, I'm surprised in his response, just as I am surprised when I say something he interprets as fighting. Arg.
I'm glad you sent him the post.....
Submitted by c ur self on
At some point we have to refuse to fight about our differences....All we are doing is robbing ourselves of beautiful days and loving interactions, when we keep having pissing contests about he said, she said..REALLY! WOW! (talking to myself here) All of us really..LOL....There is no hope if both parties don't lay down the ax, learn humility, and how to ask for forgiveness...And forgive....It's not difficult to tell if someone cares!....And if someone is trying!...If selfishness is going to rule the day for one or both of us....We should not be in the same house...(IMO)
The reason I understand you so well isn't just my wife...It's me also....I've been told I have adhd by many people, I think I probably do....my daughter is diagnosed mild to moderate, she is much like me... It's difficult for me to answer yes or no questions...I'm a detail guy....I do it some what unintentional at times, but, I also do it intentionally a lot of the time....I hate to have some one come back to me at a later date, and say "Why didn't you tell me that"? or "You should of told me that"....It helped me be good manager on the job.....If you want to know something I know, and you ask me, and a quick answer is only going to cause more confusion later...Then you are going to get the details...If you don't want to be fully informed, and be asked if you understand, (no return trips of, "why didn't you tell me") then don't ask....
My wife talks a lot and doesn't manage talk time...And usually don't realize how long she has actually been talking....(but is quick to defend herself if I point it out) And because she doesn't follow well, she will blurt out interruptions when lost.....I need to focus on not rambling or repeating myself....I will say the same thing two or three times if you don't respond and let me know you understand...(my brain will have me pushing out information faster then my wife can comprehend it)...We are the perfect storm!...She has ADD NO H...I'm the H...Her ADD should have a S on the end for Slow....She needs to hear one thing at a time process it, then respond....She stays frustrated w/ me in conversations because she gets lost...My monologue tendencies....I have to draw the full picture for understanding....Which is fine, but, I want to draw it in 30 seconds and two paragraphs....And she needs bits and pieces at a time, and then time to put it all together...This is just one of our differences that limit peaceful communication....
I like organization (everything in its place), and she is super messy, if something is put up, it doesn't exist in her mind....She is a hoarder type also, can't throw things away and gets emotionally attached to every old item....So many of these things has to be accepted...It's just who we are...I don't mean not recognize our tendencies and work on them....I mean acceptance to the point we aren't being ugly to each other for unintentional traits, that cause us a limited ability to stay on the same page or hinders clear communication...
Me and wife....Just cannot live comfortably when verbally sharing...Comfortably meaning being who we are (just blurting it out there) in communication attempts, and expecting my wife to always get it...Every time I let my guard down...(meaning: not being intentional to be understanding of her needs when we communicate, and also, to be aware of my tendencies, which make it double bad when I go long)....No caffeine fo me!...It turns me into a machine LOL....
Yep...ADD and ADHD is no problem as long as we NEVER use it as excuse for irresponsibility and hurting others....Yep we are the perfect storm!...But, it's OK, life has few dual moments here...Just need to be nice all the time;)
c
Time delay
Submitted by jennalemone on
ADHDMomof2 Thank you for sharing this about "time delay". My H has long pauses between his sentences. Where sometimes he pauses and 30 seconds will go by before the next sentence comes out. Sometimes I will interject within the 30 seconds and he, angrily, yells at me like "Can I finish?". And sometimes 30 seconds go by and I give a verbal cue (as I am still waiting for him to complete his thought) and he will say something like, "What?" "That's all." when clearly he was in the middle of a thought and it just dropped. Over the years I have become aware of this. If this is a case of ADD, then I would really like some verbal acknowledgment that it is happening and that I am not an interrupter nor am I the wall that can be "dropped" without reason. It makes me feel so invisible and on guard. I would like it if he would say, "Sorry, my brain stopped for a moment. What were we talking about?" rather than..."Geeeez, Jenna, what is it now?" We don't talk much anymore because of this. I am not a big talker anyhow but he shuts me up and shuts me out with this difficult time delay in his thinking and talking. I would just like him to acknowledge that there is a human being who has been trying to converse back and forth with him and if he has problems, that he would acknowledge it rather than yell at me when I attempt to converse.
Oh, wow, Jenna. That would
Submitted by ADHDMomof2 on
Oh, wow, Jenna. That would drive me nuts (what your husband does). I'm not that severe. It sounds like he has ADHD without hyperactivity, possibly? I have seen that in other people. Do you think he is a bit on the spectrum or has a learning disability? Does this frequently happen, or more often when he is emotional, trying to process something in an area of weakness, or when you ask an open-ended question?
I need more information (teacher here), but if he's not aware of what's going on or how it appears to the outside observer. If he emailed you, are his thoughts clearer? Has he always been this way? Are there others in his family like this? Do you think he knows what he wants to say, but just can't find the words?
I can understand why you would be frustrated, Jenna. If only he was self-aware enough to realize what he is doing.
I'm usually aware of when I need more time, and ask people what I was just saying if I get derailed (it can be from a door slamming, me sneezing, or me taking the winding path and realizing I've gotten side-tracked. And I definitely relate to forgetting what I was saying in the middle of saying it. It's awesome. Lol.
That time delay thing
Submitted by jennalemone on
To try to answer your questions, ADHDMomof2, H does these long pauses most often if I ask a question about his thought/feelings. He does not ask questions EVER of me...like how are you? What's up? What do you think about....? He does not begin conversations. He has isolated himself with a few diversions and that seems to be the extent of his efforts at life....diversions. TV, puzzle games, public radio, national politics, cigars, beer, garden tractor....all solo activities. When I want to talk about money, the future, suggestions for home improvement, our relationship, what we are doing over the weekend, ... he walks away or gets angry or stares mutely at something in front of him....seemingly angry.
H does not email or message me when I message him other than quick quips. Just "yup", "nope" or a sarcastic joke answer.
Your question about "open ended" question is making me think. Yes, I ask mostly open-ended questions believing that I should not "manipulate" a conversation but rather open up a subject and let him say what he thinks and feels about a subject. Ugh....I would hate to think that I have to edit and phrase and form my questions and responses to achieve what I want....a conversation. Ugh...I don't think I have the patience nor the verbal and neural ability/willingness to do that long term. If I was getting paid as a health provider and doing that as a full time job, I would do it, but to consciously construct our interactions so that he has no open-ended questions coming from me as a partner seems fake and unwifely.
Does he not know what he wants to say or can't find his words? I just don't know. It FEELS to ME like he is crafting a short (sometimes aggressive) response to "get me off of his back" so he can go back to his diversions. I do see him frowning when he tries to respond verbally, so I will take that into account more often that he has difficulty putting thoughts into words. That makes me sad on one hand. But it makes me suspicious on the other hand because it seems to me he is crafting a response that is not "real" but written by a little attorney in his head in order to get what he wants (his own agenda) rather than to let me know who he really is inside.
Maybe, as a hint from you, I could say to him, "Do you want to think about it and get back to me?" I will try that. I am pretty sure he would never get back to me however. But I will try that.
Thanks ADHDMomof2, I wish the best for you and your situation. One of my own diversions is reading and writing on this site. We all have our ways of dealing with stress and confusion.
You ask if he always had the time delay thing or his family has it. His family does not do it that I am aware of but we are always light and humorous when we get together. I am never there when serious issues are discussed. I will keep this in mind when and if I am around them. Did he do this when we were young? Possibly. I remember LOOOOOONNNNNGGGG silences on the phone with him when we talked on the phone when he was in the service....long distance in those days. I remember because I was paying for the calls as a poor college student. Otherwise, I don't remember because I would "help him through" conversations and ignore his bad habits rather than watch/listen/judge our conversations and his actions. Love is blind when you are young.
This is good stuff....
Submitted by c ur self on
These reality (factual) posts concerning communication and conversation is very good stuff... (For me anyway)...Daily interaction is so important, and much of our conflict and arguments start so innocently in conversation...Some conversation attempts are just doomed to fail from the start...
Couple of Examples: (Interruptions are not only rude, but, they cause my wife to loose her thoughts..and that creates immediate frustration, and immediate unfiltered comments, so I don't need to interrupt her... She interrupts because she is more focused on my grammer, than the content of what I am sharing, not good..lol...I've learned to ignore it and keep on talking)
Also when the person starting the conversation is looking for something... (seeking to coax's approval of what they have already made their mind up about anyway)...This isn't respectful sharing of thoughts, feelings and opinions....It's manipulation attempts....There's an agenda and the conversation cannot end peacefully if the approval seeker don't get what they are looking for....
When I post quiet is good, which I do from time to time this is why....If we are wise enough to see our own limitations, and recognize manipulation attempts...It will bring us to the understanding that a lot of what is said or discussed, has no hope of ending well....
c
He sounds a bit like my dad used to
Submitted by ADHDMomof2 on
He sounds a bit dad used to be. My dad is on the high functioning end of the spectrum. Decades of AA have toned down the sarcasm, but he's never been much of a conversational talker, unless he was monologuing on areas of Aspy interest. But the conversational difficulties (which are more severe than mine, and I'm SUPER ADHD) sound like there are more things going on than just ADHD (though it does sound like that's definitely a factor, as well). The isolating behavior. The difficulty with basic conversation. The anti-social interests. The brevity of speech. Man, does that sound like my dad. He and I get along GREAT now. We have a very unique understanding of each other. I accepted his issues as quirks (don't take this as judgment, Jenna; I'd have long since murdered him if I was my mom-haha), and we're cool now. And fortunately, we share some of the same nerdy interests, though I'm not even remotely on the spectrum.
Incidentally, there is no shortage of people on the spectrum who have EXTREME difficulty with open-ended questions. When I experience this difficulty, it's because I'm trying to determine the questioner's motivations (not a particularly Aspy trait), what they are asking, all while trying to organize my thoughts and hold on them while I decide my answer. If I feel strongly about a subject or have a great depth of knowledge on the topic, I have little to no trouble, because I'm not relying on my short-term memory. But the spectrum is truly that; you have people with enviable organizational skills and others (some with ADHD) who are quite disorganized.
I agree, crafting all of your questions to suit his brain is a preposterous suggestion; definitely not where I was going there. More that if you could do your own private experiment (hehe) and see what kinds of questions he struggles with the most, and what his emotional state is at the time. I wouldn't bother to say to have him get back to you if he's not even being treated. That would be an exercise in futility. I guarantee the idea would go *poof* as soon as he felt the relief of not having to answer now. Not sure there's a solution for that if he refuses to be involved. And maybe if he is so earnest to get back to his own dopamine-seeking activities, he may well be trying to put you off and give you the answer you want. It took me a long time to accept that I did that to my husband. He has asked me to close the computer, and stop what I was doing to look at him so we could have a conversation. That used to be a big trigger for me, because I thought I was being treated like a child. Turns out, I can't multi-task, and as he has reminded me, we are wired differently. But he gives me that respect, so I can set a good example for our kids and do the same, right?
This type of odd
Submitted by dvance on
This type of odd communication happens in my house too--long pauses, abrupt endings, like it seems the story wasn't over but it just ends. My DH must have a processing issue--he is incredibly slow to respond to information, not only verbal but visual as well. If I show him something in print or on a computer screen it takes him much longer than me to read over whatever it is. He takes so long to tell a story that I often forget where the story started. If I text him more than one question in the same text I only get an answer to one of the questions. He often does not answer texts and I stopped emailing because those never got answered at all. If I had to guess, I would bet 3 out of every five questions I ask him get an "I don't know" response and they are things about him. Last week I said that I had some items to take to the dry cleaners and did he want me to take his sport coat. The way he looked at me I'm not sure he understood and then he said he didn't know and that was the end of it. I would not think that was a question that needed much thought--he had worn the sport coat a few times, I was going to the cleaners anyway. I have tried to give him information and say "think about this and I will ask you tomorrow" and then when I ask tomorrow he says he didn't have time to think about it. That baffles me. What floats around in your head when you are sitting at a stop light, for example, or on hold on the phone--all those little nothing details of life. That's when I would think you might give whatever small thing I asked some thought. I used to be a big talker but I am not any more. It took me a long time to train myself to shut up. The withering looks and sighs from DH whenever I tried to tell him something or ask him something got to be too much so I really don't talk much at all, mostly just bare minimum housekeeping stuff-what time this or that is, where I'll be on a given late night, if I am working late, something like that. Nuts and bolts, nothing about ME any more.
Mostly I have stopped asking him things at all. It isn't worth it. Either he doesn't know or if I press him for some reason he gets irritated and tells me to stop interrogating him (his word-interrogating).
In the case of my DH, given what I have observed of his MO in life in general, he is a gigantic avoider of all things adult, so I think his "I don't know" response to so many things is an unwillingness to make any kind of decision or be held accountable for pretty much anything at all. He's like a ghost in our house-sits in his chair with headphones on and watches you tube videos on his iPad pretty much the entire time he is home. If not that, then he is on the couch watching movies. Either way, not present in our lives.
dvance....Present but absent....
Submitted by c ur self on
When people see us out...(Church, Family visits, walking or most any activity) they think every thing between us must be just peachy...(Two active talkative type A's)....But, when we walk in the door, she disappears...The guest room bed and the TV remote...Absolutely little to no concern about fellowship at home....It's not my place to constantly remind her about her responsibilities in the marriage....I'm a very engaging guy and it's been very hard on me....This is probably one of my biggest faults, trying to remind her, shame her and push her to care....
I shame her by telling her things like...(three of our four children or happily married) Just treat me like you expect our daughter in law to treat our Son....If he confided in you that his wife pushes him away and goes into another room and watches TV for hours every night they are home...With no concern for his needs at all....And if he approaches her about it, she just gets angry and looks for something to blame him for......If the advice you would give him is;... "just leave her alone, do all your own cooking and find a good book or something....And just wait for her to let you know when she has time for you."...Then just keep living like I don't exist....But don't be a hypocrite....If you would tell him...It's not suppose to be that way!...."Then you start living as my wife, the way you expect her to live has his wife" ....
She struggles much more than I do with the mundane, with focus, memory and organization....So I try to be understanding and do what I can without mothering....It's a slippery slope!
Stuff like that usually brings her around a bit...But, it don't last....In 10 years she's shown no sustained interest to be close...(Selfish Interests)...Even our sex life is like making a dentist appointment...There are a few reason's I continue to encourage and remind her we should be growing closer instead of ignoring each other.....One) we both vowed it to God and each other to be there for each other....Two) I'm not going to live like her Sister and brother in law....Separate bedrooms, Sex once or twice a year, talking negative about each other, little to no respect....Migraine's from the stress....Why would anyone be so hard hearted, and so filled w/ pride, that they would spend the precious time (their lives) God has allowed them being so selfish and miserable?? Not me!
A heart that can't be touched, No repentance, No humility, No ability SEE their the cause of all their own pain....People can't understand this dynamic unless they live it dvance....
People say the silent killer is high blood pressure....I say it's indifference!
c
This is marriage with ADD in a nutshell
Submitted by adhd32 on
A heart that can't be touched, No repentance, No humility, No ability SEE their the cause of all their own pain....People can't understand this dynamic unless they live it
These words are an excellent description of marriage with an under/untreated ADDer. Cut straight to the bottom line. So profound to me.
Hi adhd32....
Submitted by c ur self on
The last thing I ever wanted to do when I went to the alter, was to learn to live a contented and peaceful life alone, when I wasn't suppose to have to....But, as I continue to come to accept the reality of what our two heart and minds are capable of....I know (up to this point) I must persevere in life, in mostly singular efforts....And find contentment and peace with it....The alternative is (denial of the facts before me, pressing an adult to see, over focus and non -acceptance, which only produces stress and anxiety in us both) unhealthy and dysfunctional.....
When I share this with my wife....She said you need friends....I told her I have friends...But my friends can't feel the void that God has reserved for the person I am one with... If I seek out that kind of friendship, that is called something else!
c
That processing you are
Submitted by Libby on
That processing you are talking about is possibly Auditory Processing Disorder. I am sure my DH has it. I deal with much the same as you do. I have very few expectations anymore when it comes to communication with my DH. It is so lonely.
momof2...This is so me....
Submitted by c ur self on
I tell him that I hadn't turned my attention yet when he had started talking...
My Mom use to get louder and louder...Boy I'm going to have your hearing checked....My first wife (I was widower at 50) use to start talking before she entered the room, and be talking when she walked up to me...Never breaking my focus or train of thought...When I finally realized she was in the middle or just finished asking me something...I would look up like "What?"....She would just storm off, Never mind!...I was like What?...I had no interest in not answering her...But you can't answer what you never heard?? :)...
PS, you also said something about trying to determine the speakers motivation for a question (Work on not doing this, please?...that's what is causing you the building Rome issue) My wife does this and it is so disrespectful...None of us could ever know the heart of another..(.It must be full trust)
I could understand it with someone you don't really know or you think is trying to take advantage of you...But we have to have complete openness and trust w/our spouses....So if he asks you a personal or open ended question, try to relax and channel your thinking to just an honest answer....We don't have to have the perfect answer...It don't matter if he even likes the answer...As long as it's honest....It will help!
c
I get the "Never mind" or
Submitted by ADHDMomof2 on
I get the "Never mind" or "Forget it" huffiness,too. I've learned to say, "Okay, I just didn't hear you because you started talking before you got my attention." I then refuse to pursue it further, because it is clearly a martyrdom game I'll never win. :/ If he then backtracks later and says something (usually with a bit of sarcasm, like he's doing me a favor by repeating without further solicitation, because he's being magnanimous-yes, that was full on sass there), I know it is important. Again, I respond by not feeding into his BS, because I recognize it as childish. I'm really doing a great job in these scenarios, because it's so patently obvious that he's being ridiculous. Even though I can externally behave by taking the high road, most of the time in this particular type of instance, it still very much wears on my heart. It's these type of unnecessary dynamics that make it more difficult for me to trust and respond with an open heart and mind, c, but this does not mean you are not 100% right. He says I'm always defensive. Maybe not always, but often enough. This is my thought behind meditation, taking GMP's suggestion to repeat back what he says (like it or not-haha), and a fidget ring. Just because I FEEL something so acutely and viscerally, doesn't mean I'm always right. I'm not. I just need to buy myself some time before I pop off and destroy whatever progress we make. :D
LOL...Your honesty makes me smile...It's so refreshing....
Submitted by c ur self on
Some times us husbands (ok maybe often) can be butt holes, and lack empathy and patients...You should not live defensive!...It makes communication almost impossible....Because you start looking for any little cue (that thing I asked you to not do in the last post..lol) to help you justify shutting down his attempt to communicate.....Should he use sarcasm or have a butt hole type tone ....Well H no...LOL....But he is human to, and you also can't forget that he loves you, and that you are on the same team....(that is real important in a marriage where differences are very apparent...
Your somebody who wants to be your best, and who isn't afraid to do the little things to help that happen...Your awesome!...But don't think Mr. Perfect has it all together either...LOL....Like I said earlier (but in a different way) we are human...No matter how smart we think we are...And we all need to show compassion....And we all need to experience it...And we should never not respect and accept each other just like they are...(even if you can't live with them, don't mean you shouldn't love and respect them)....
It's easy for add people to wag around a load of baggage about their view of themselves...That's a devils lie....And it creates defensiveness....I like the repeat thing GMP was talking about....When your husband approaches you about something (and you can tell by his expression it's one of those I'm fixing to point out something speech's) and you feel your mind click into that...Oh No what is it now mode...(defensive) Do something to break that feeling....Make a Joke...."Smile or Kiss him right in the mouth or both....Then look him in the eyes with a big smile and say...Ok fix me :)....We all have to remember, we don't have to agree, and the world isn't likely to change after our little talks....So there is no need in getting your panties in a wade (stressed out) because the **Gentlemen** of the house feels the need to make life better for everyone...Especially himself..LOL...(talking about me here)....When there is no fear attached to communicating....It's so much easier to listen and think constructively about what is being verbally laid out there....Instead of fearfully flipping the the Oh no switch...Or at my house the denial switch....Which sadly destroys our efforts before we start....
c
I'm working on it, but it's
Submitted by ADHDMomof2 on
I'm working on it, but it's definitely not one of my finer qualities. I am very stubborn. I come from a LONG line of stubborn people. I at least recognize it. The other people in my family and my husband do not recognize the extent of their stubborn. :D My nature is to still want to be that two year old yelling, NOOOOOOOOO, I don't wanna and you can't make meeeeeeeeeeeeee! LOLOL! I definitely relate to "What is it NOW?" thinking. Difficult when your partner views you as a project not to think that way. But like I said, if I can just work to buy myself some time before I respond, and train myself to see the entire situation, that would be exceedingly helpful. But being who I am (stubborn) and also being one who feels, thinks, and reacts all at once when in real or perceived emotionally-charged situations, this will not be an easy task. But I am up for the challenge. Yesterday I meditated twice, and it helped.
adhdmomof2...
Submitted by c ur self on
Presentation is everything...I can't think for your husband...But if my wife approaches me calmly, respectfully I will do my best to hear her out....Because I love her, and she deserve it!...If she approaches me disrepectfully (demanding or controlling,) I know it's time to walk away because I deserve it!...
At some point your husband will have to decide what is selfish concession seeking, (not saying you ever do this, but, based on your comment, he may see it that way) and what is wisdom...
The most important thing is **Ownership**....You must own your limitations w/o emotion, without blame and without denial....Your husband is human and has his own issues....Patients (the desire to get it as right as possible) and honesty has to be present when different realities of mind or trying to shared....
Any time I have an agenda that I want to press her with, or her me....No matter how right we think we are, if I get emotional when I don't get my way (get her to see it my way)...Then I've traded Love and Respect for....Disrepect and Selfishness....
When you and your husband HATE the product bad enough....You will have brokenness of heart, humility and desire to Understand each other, and acceptance of those differences.....I know you have personally made great strides..And I admire you!...But boundaries and an awareness of our tendencies and our spouses is paramont if we are going to have a peaceful existence as one....
PS...Those sessions on utube by the guy that libby and I were discussing has great content....He see's communication and mutual respect so clearly if you get the time to listen....
I second Zapp's suggestion
Submitted by SweetandSour on
I think you should send your husband your initial post at least. Reading something allows one to concentrate on the content without having to process the delivery at the same time. And you did a very good job expressing yourself. Please, reconsider - I think it could be very helpful to him and thus to both of you.
He emailed me to let me know he wants a divorce.
Submitted by ADHDMomof2 on
I'm not sure it will help, but I'm going do do my best. I have an appointment with my therapist tomorrow. I'm going to see what she has to say about this. This is not the first time he has threatened this, by far. However, he is depressed, and is making some bad decisions.
He was also very specific
Submitted by ADHDMomof2 on
He was also very specific with his plans. :( I'm so sad, but I'm going to do my best.
Oh no! I'm so sorry.
Submitted by SweetandSour on
Oh no! I'm so sorry.
I'm sorry Momof2...It happens here also....
Submitted by c ur self on
I've asked my wife to leave twice this past year...Not because of add!...Because of denial, blame....Self blindness...Living like she is Single and like she could care less about her vows...And calling me names when I point it out to her....If God allows, I will continue to live and age, until I don't....But, I'm not going to do it with someone who isn't content being my wife, and doing the work of a wife....I'm worth more than that....And she is just as miserable, if she hates her vows as much as her life style says she does....We are our actions, never our words!
If a person's heart is so far away from commitment and being fully investing as a husband or wife....They are just persecuting their spouse w/ their presents....It's abandonment at best...
There has to be effort, there has to be love and respect being lived out toward one another (not talked about)....Wives have real needs...They should a priority to us!....Husbands have real needs they should be a priority to his wife... No excuses, No options....Just love and commitment and being fully invested in one another....It's not that difficult to discipline ourselves and have those healthy attachments...But, we must make it a priority...And we should be thankful for the opportunity we are granted to love and be loved....I can't put my children, job, hobbies, self entertainment (TV, Facebook, Computer time) ahead of my wife or her me....Not and expect to have a healthy and satisfying relationship...Just doesn't happen!
I wish you the best! All of you!
c
What do you mean by not respecting her vows?
Submitted by ADHDMomof2 on
If you mean she is unfaithful, I don't blame you if you abandon ship, c. You have every right to do that.
If you mean that she is just doing her own thing, participating in her own hobbies, and the like, I have to admit, this describes the first several years of my marriage. :( I had NO CLUE what it meant to be married. I kept on keeping on without any regard to my husband's needs. I REALLY was blind. I had NO IDEA how selfish I was being. I think about it now and CRINGE!!! But I was super young, in my twenties, and God knows we ADHD people do NOT mature as quickly. I feel like my brain really matured when I hit 30, and could handle more executive functions. And then again when I hit 40, but I suspect that is because of my diet and other changes I made. I just brought down the inflammation in my brain.
Is she medicated, and does she do anything else for her ADHD? As the saying goes, pills don't teach skills!
I could write a book here to answer your questions.....momof2
Submitted by c ur self on
But I don't need to....You are my wife!...Just a teacher, instead of Lab. Scientist...Your feelings, Your thinking, Your actions, Your struggles, Your strengths.... Ya'll may even look a like 5' 8 blonde w/ a little bottle help lol..., That is why it has meant so much to me, to have exchanges with you, you get it, you live it...) ....And some where along the line you have reformed from the blindness of selfishness....And can talk openly about your life experiences...(She cannot w/ me anyway, not w/ out a chip and emotion)
She takes juice plus, and she sporadically goes to the gym or walks...She also takes adderall most days esp...for work focus....She will not take it when she is off most of the time...Kind of moves around in a lazy like somber state when off of it....Unless she is doing some thrill seeking adventure...She is an adrenaline junkie and the adderall helps speed her up....Real High or Real Low...Maybe u understand this concept? And No she does not get help or have a sounding board for her struggles, but me, and that is part of the problem in marriage...I can't be that person, I can't counsel or mother my wife....
No sleeping around (as for as I know), but, I just have to trust her on this one...Because if I lived as (independent) absent as she is doing, I would have a couple of girl friends and wouldn't even care if she knew it....
Imagine yourself at age 46...Single and a happy go luck Independent w/ severe add, and no reason to discipline yourself to the needs of another....So a man comes along (50 years old) who has raised his children and buried his late wife of 30 years... And all he wanted was to repeat those 30 years w/ 30 more ( or as many as God allows) side by side loving each other, and being there for each other?...We are so different in some ways, and sadly the same in others.....Could you do it? Could you release your single minded thinking and behaviors at the alter, and walk hand in hand w/him being one? Could you trust him to love you, after many disappointments? Could you accept your new role to be Interdependent, and live a life of sharing and considering his feelings in all things? Could you?
I had a wife who thought the Sun rose and set in her husband, Someone who's favorite spot was being tuck in right beside the man who would give his life for her.....When Jesus took her hand out of mine about a mile from where I'm setting this morning...(Hospice)....I knew she was home!....I knew her life on this earth had been completed...Mine had not...Although I missed her...I knew God did not want me to live my life looking back...But to look ahead, to live, to love...To experience his presents and share him.....When I met my wife...I was like a kid again, and sadly ignored many warning signs that said this may be very difficult....Here house was a maze...Mine was sterile LOL...She hadn't had a date or sex in several years...I am highly sexual, even now at 61...She carried a lot of shame from her past, but, I was going to be the man who showed her so much love and honor, that that baggage was going to just eventually drop off, as she learned to see herself the way God see's her...The precious Angel that she is!....I failed miserably, I got caught up in the dream world (and what I thought it should look like)....And reality crashed the party!
It's been 10 years now....I'm more in love w/ her today than ever before...But my love want and can't cause her to STOP and say "Hey self...Are you going to embrace your role? Or you going to learn thankfulness for the blessing of the life God has by his mercy presented you with....Or are you going to continue to go your own way?"
No, change only comes from inside each of us...And that is more about a conscience, and a heart that can be touched....
I appreciate you for asking these questions, more than you could ever know...It's like talking to my wife who has just been given the gift of awareness....The ability to hear!
c
Thank you, c. I do try very
Submitted by ADHDMomof2 on
Thank you, c. I do try very hard, even though I fall flat on my face more often than I would like in some areas. My dad set a very good example by showing me that you are never too old to change, and that you should always be trying to learn something new and accomplish something difficult, but interesting. He also instilled in me a questioning mind. (jury's still out on whether or not this is a good thing, but I think perseverance and stubbornness are two sides of the same coin). Finally, he gave me a deep appreciation for the scientific method, and science has gotten me to where I am today with my knowledge of ADHD biochemistry, so bravo, Dad! He did this by just being him, and when I think about his struggle to sobriety, his high functioning autism, and his own difficult childhood, well, you can imagine how very much I admire his example. Those are the greatest lessons he has taught me.
I imagine the fact your wife does not choose to medicate when it would benefit your relationship must be quite the challenge. I take medication 3 times a day (twice if I forget the last dose, and I know it would keep me awake) because my liver doubles as a wood chipper, I swear. I liken my medication wearing off to being Cinderella at the ball when the coach turns back into a pumpkin. I wonder what the reservation is with taking medication when she needs it. You always need your brain. You wouldn't not wear glasses if needed because you are not at work, if needed. I guess I do not understand that thinking. But then again, I do not have average ADHD, and cannot be complacent with average solutions. And as a teacher with a family full of ADHD, I am continually reminded of ADHD behaviors, how they appear to others unmanaged, and the like. I do think that this works in my favor. Anytime I see a student display an unfavorable behavior, I ask myself what is driving it, and of course, it makes me think of my own ADHD.
Totally get the zombie analogy. I'm either a zombie or a tornado, and there is NOTHING in between. My daughter giggled at me on one occasion when she realized I had not yet taken my medication. I was walking back and forth and not accomplishing a thing. She loves her Mama, but knows she NEEDS her medication to be a functional human being.
I would imagine it to be particularly difficult to be married for the first time at 46, and that much more so when you are settled in your ways AND have ADHD. So it appears the first 10 years of your marriage are playing out like mine. I'm sorry. :( The interdependence thing was EXTREMELY difficult for me, and sometimes, still is, though far less so than before. When you're Id-driven and impulsive, more difficult to keep others in mind, but it's worth the effort.
Many people in marriage, whether impacted by ADHD or not, think they will change their partner's behavior through their love for them. I think our society says you can't change another person, but movies, TV, and societal beliefs contradict this in the same breath. I find that focusing on myself and how I can improve has helped me cement this lesson pretty well. Maybe, some day, my husband will learn this truism, but that's on him to figure out. ;)
Ditto jenna,
Submitted by Zapp10 on
EXACTLY my thoughts and experience. The lack of ease in just talking with my H has me exhausted. I find myself thinking if Helen Keller could be reached with her impediments........Hats off to Annie Sullivan and her determined belief that Helen was worth it. I am finally accepting where I fit in all this and it isn't on me my H's choices. They are his to make. I had my own denial there. What a weight has been lifted.
You Give Me SO MUCH HOPE, ADHDMom of 2!
Submitted by GiveMePatience on
You give me SO MUCH HOPE, ADHDMomof2! Your 'understanding' of yourself, your ability to 'EFFECTIVELY COMMUNICATE' your thought process (in a "linear" way!) ;) and your 'command' over the situation are MORE THAN IMPRESSIVE. Again, you give me HOPE!
I want to take a shot a ATTEMPTING to 'answer' a question that you had asked in your initial post here. You asked, "Is there anything I can do to change how I react, or buy a little time before I respond?"
Let me start my 'answer' by stating that I am the Non-ADHDer' in my marriage. I have read as much about ADHD as I can get my hands on. Thus, this answer is not an 'opinion' of mine, but is a 'suggestion' of things that I have read, from MANY different sources. The 'suggestion' is, to 'buy yourself some time' and to NOT be so 'reactive', it is 'recommended' that you REPEAT THE ACTUAL WORDS THAT YOUR HUSBAND SAYS TO YOU, AS HE IS SAYING THEM.
Many ADHDers, (like my husband), as you most likely know, have what is referred to as Central Auditory Processing Disorder (CAPD). Simply put, those with ADHD don't always HEAR what is ACTUALLY BEING SAID to them. Often times, these 'out of the blue' "OVER-REACTIONS" are simply REACTIONS to what was PERCEIVED, and NOT to WHAT WAS ACTUALLY SAID. SOOOO..... it is 'suggested' by the experts in this field that those with ADHD REPEAT the words that were SAID to them. This gives you time to 'process' what was said, as well as make the other person FEEL HEARD.
I PRAY that this helps you, ADHDMomof2. Just from this post, YOU have helped many of us.
Thank you,
~GMP
First of all, thank you for
Submitted by ADHDMomof2 on
First of all, thank you for the kind words. The acting of writing down my thoughts allows me to see if they are coherent, make sure I am staying on track, and for some reason, the linear reasoning flows through my fingers to the page very quickly, more often than not, when I type. There is also the backspace button, which is exceedingly helpful. Wish this existed in real life when I word vomit, but alas, it is not to be. ;)
I'm a teacher, and have read about CAPD, and do not meet the diagnostic criteria. I can process sound, but I'm not always paying attention, and when I am, my anxiety level doesn't allow me to FULLY attend, or I am overcomplicating things or misunderstanding. HOWEVER, I thought your suggestion was a very good one, and I revisited it again tonight. Much like when I force my husband to repeat his words when I have not turned my attention, he also doesn't care for it when I repeat back to him. He is annoyed. I've decided tonight after reading your suggestion, that this too, was his bleeping problem, and not mine. He readily concedes he is impatient, and wtf else am I supposed to do, when my working memory is poor and I often misinterpret what he says? So I did it, and it worked. It really helped that I was calm when I repeated after him and then offered my interpretation. Helps with accuracy for me! I immediately asked him out of curiosity whether it bothered him; I had been relying on body language and tone of voice to make that initial interpretation. He confirmed he was not a fan ;). But perhaps if it works and we can communicate better, he will become more accepting of it? I think the key is for me to control my anxiety. If I do this, I will be able to do the repeat/interpret process more accurately.
By the way, per the suggestion of my therapist, I am also getting something to help me fidget to buy me some time before responding in a general sense. I sometimes play with these magnetic stones I have while we have protracted (the WORST/most ineffectual of all-sigh) or heated discussions, but I don't always remember to use them. She suggested a rubber band, but as I am an adult, I decided I needed some adult woman jewelry. Just ordered a spinner ring on Etsy. I hope it comes soon. I got a plain one so it will go with everything I wear and I will wear it 24-7. No point in having something I don't have when I really, really need it! :D
I think I also need to up my meditation to twice a day. I believe between repeating what my husband says, meditating more often, and a spinner ring, we might be onto something? :) Thank you, GMP. I needed the push to realize this was something I HAD to do, even if my husband is not thrilled. Let's face it; he needs to choose his poison. ;)
What a WONDERFUL Teacher You Must Be, ADHDMomof2!
Submitted by GiveMePatience on
What a WONDERFUL teacher you must be, ADHDMomof2! I truly cannot tell you how HELPFUL it is for me (and I'm sure TONS of people here) that you are able to ARTICULATE SO WELL, the thought processes of the 'neurodiverse brain'. My ADHD husband is VERY self-UNaware and has EXTREME difficulty expressing HOW HE FEELS, physically, even when he is sick, for example.
ADHDMomof2, I HATE hearing some of these things that you have expressed about your husband... and his 'lack of patience' and understanding. If I may offer an opinion that will hopefully help your situation... perhaps, if you EXPLAINED things to him in a SCIENTIFIC WAY... For example, if you SHOWED him information as to WHY it is more 'difficult' for a 'hyperfocused', neurodiverse brain to 'switch gears'... and then simply explain that BEFORE he just 'starts talking' to you, NO MATTER WHAT YOU ARE DOING, he should START EVERY CONVERSATION WITH, "Can I have your attention please?" I have ACTUALLY COUNTED how long it takes my husband to 'switch gears' and it is usually around 20 seconds. If I were 'talking' THAT WHOLE TIME, there is A LOT that he would 'MISS'. This, obviously, is not by his CHOICE. This is just the way that he is 'wired'. Thus, I NEED to 'accommodate' for that, as your husband should for you, as well.
Along these same lines... when I sense that our conversation is 'getting sort of heated', I have also LEARNED to ASK him, KINDLY AND GENTLY, "What do you think I just said?'' Often times, he will say THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT I ACTUALLY SAID... Unlike you, my husband DOES have CAPD. I can usually tell when he heard something 'wrong', simply by THE WAY that he 'answers' me. If he answers me with what I perceive to be an "OVER-REACTION'', then I pretty much KNOW that he DID NOT HEAR what I ACTUALLY SAID. Often times, he gets SO QUICKLY 'AMPED UP' from his 'misperception'... that I have to let him 'cool down' before I can continue the conversation ON THE CORRECT PATH. (It helps SO MUCH, ADHDMomof2 that you explained this in your original post, stating that when your husband brought a 'concern' to you, that your 'immediate response' was to say that you did NOT want to do what he had proposed, simply because you did not know how to 'manage' it.) As an aside, I ended up 'printing out' that original post of yours to give to my husband, as it really seems to 'help him', when he sees that 'other people' can EXPRESS AND ARTICULATE HOW HE FEELS. I do this, too, so he UNDERSTANDS that I UNDERSTAND 'what' and 'how' he feels and thinks. (Selfishly... I wish that he could do the same for me... but we just haven't gotten there yet... )
But, if I can 'pull back' here... this DOES NOT HAVE TO BE YOUR "HUSBAND'S BLEEPING PROBLEM"! This does not have to be A "PROBLEM", AT ALL. IF your husband 'does not have the patience' to accommodate your need to 'repeat' what he is saying... I have read it 'suggested' that you simply do it like, "So... what I am hearing you say is... (blah, blah, blah). Is that correct?" This CANNOT BE "FRUSTRATING'' to him! I would think it would be THE EXACT OPPOSITE, as it would REINFORCE THAT YOU HEAR HIM! EVERYBODY JUST WANTS TO BE HEARD! THAT is THE BIGGEST PART OF WHY SO MANY OF US FIGHT, IN THIS DYNAMIC OF THE 'HAVES' AND THE 'HAVE-NOTS', as in, THOSE WHO HAVE ADHD AND THOSE WHO DO NOT! ;)
Also ADHDMomof2, you buy yourself that spinner ring and you WEAR IT PROUDLY!!! It is TRULY INSPIRING to see someone SO PROACTIVE and TAKING CHARGE to BETTER THEIR LIFE! And, because of your inspiration, I am going to buy a nice 'spinner ring' for my husband! This is something that I read about probably a year ago... but, for some reason, never got him one... Thank you for this! :)
And, thank you for EVERYTHING!
~GMP
Okay, time for some nerdy science ;) !
Submitted by ADHDMomof2 on
Okay, so I think that in addition to the CAPD and ADHD which your husband clearly has, here are a few other thoughts. Boys and men do not process language in the same region of the brain as emotions. This is why it is often more difficult for them to express how they are feeling. We women have language and emotions in the same region. Also, meditation, over time, thickens an area of the brain called the insula. This region helps people both process emotions AND body sensation as well as develop empathy. Think about people with autism. They are often socially awkward AND physically awkward at times, so that's the connection (I picked an even more obvious example than ADHD). I have developed more empathy and ability to consider someone else's perspective from my meditation practice, and it's only been 8 months or so. Of course, I am nowhere near an expert level meditator. If your husband is interested, The Mindful Geek is a great book to learn about the benefits of meditation that are not covered in your typical online article about ADHD. I NEEDED to see this, as I love science, this was the book that convinced me I needed to meditate for so many reasons, I HAD TO do it. Not sure if he's a reader or not. Meditation has been an extremely difficult habit for me to develop; a million times worse than changing my diet. I finally "gave up," and realized I needed to use an app, because muscling through it was NOT working. I no longer consider this to be giving up; I'm getting it done, and it tracks how many hours I have meditated, and that number gives me the motivation to continue. The best part is, I don't have to document anything. If he's not interested, or does not see the value, you won't get anywhere with that, though. He has to want it, and he will need to start slowly to build his endurance. I started with 3 minutes a day, because I have noticed that people in our society go to extremes; extreme diets, extreme exercise, get all crazily enthusiastic about it, and then...quit. I thought I didn't have time for it (who has time to sit still?), but I quickly realized my days never went quite as well when I missed it. This continues to be true.
I think women are more willing to accommodate sometimes, than men. That may not be true of all men, particularly for the nons- on this site, but women are taught to adapt to others, for better or for worse. He does adapt to me, more than I am sharing here, as I am mostly problem/solution-focused here, but yeah, he would say it's one of his faults. I would, too, lol. I say my purpose on this Earth is to teach him more patience :D! You're welcome, DH. He's going to have to adapt, because I can only manipulate my brain through diet, exercise, medication, supplements, and meditation so much. I have intrinsic wiring differences. I think the baggage is the part that makes this more difficult for him. Perhaps if we gain some forward momentum, he will be more willing to accommodate my requests? Crossing fingers...
I do not think your husband will be able to empathize with your thought process until he gets a better handle on his body sensations and emotions. He does not realize what is going on his own mind or body, so I think he will have a more difficult time comprehending that there is a whole world outside the periphery of his mind and body. But it's definitely NOT hopeless. He needs to take control of this, though.
I totally agree that me repeating SHOULD be helpful. He often complains that he is not heard. This is certainly true, as I have not been repeating back to him. Even so, I think he's just got his own issues that have nothing to do with me. I finally came to that conclusion a few months ago, and boy, was it liberating. I took the time to tell him I was concerned about his mental health and I thought his reactions to things were so disproportionate to certain situations. I told him he's depressed, and that he needs help. He (shockingly) seemed to hear me, and acknowledge it was true. He seems to be in the beginning stages of getting help, so I guess I need to cross my fingers, and continue on my path.
I know a bunch of people with ADHD, and I do not know anyone who has taken treatment to the level I have; not even close. Obviously, I need it, so I will continue to do my thing. It does sound like your husband is on my level-lol. I have SPD as well, so I understand the additional layer a dual diagnosis can provide. :D
I think that sometimes, upon re-reading your paragraph about wanting to be heard, that he unwittingly sabotages us because he is SO AFRAID I will fail and disappoint him again. I do not think he has a clue that he does this. For example, I have often asked the kids to help me by not leaving crap on the kitchen counter. He has told me (sometimes, in front of them) that until I do this myself, I have no right to ask them (he hates hypocrisy above all things). Then, he blew up at the kids and me for this very issue, and guess what, the kids now pick up the counter consistently. As much as I was annoyed by his outburst, as I have tried again and again to do this with their help, I'm not about to thwart him just because his delivery was rough. He's going to credit himself later on, no doubt, but in my mind, he's finally not undermining my flawed efforts. If you try to undermine an ADHD person's flawed efforts, that is the ULTIMATE sabotage. It's not like I enjoy cleaning in the first place; don't make it more difficult for me to do something which I despise. Maybe when we have a few clean months under our belt, I should bring this up to him. I truly do not believe he gets HIS role in this; he is too busy focused on mine. It may or may not register, but I think it is probably good that I express it. If he doesn't recognize/accept it in this situation, perhaps, he may do a double-take in the future in another parallel situation.
momof2....This is a great lesson for us all....
Submitted by c ur self on
If you try to undermine an ADHD person's flawed efforts, that is the ULTIMATE sabotage. It's not like I enjoy cleaning in the first place; don't make it more difficult for me to do something which I despise. Maybe when we have a few clean months under our belt, I should bring this up to him. I truly do not believe he gets HIS role in this; he is too busy focused on mine. It may or may not register, but I think it is probably good that I express it. If he doesn't recognize/accept it in this situation, perhaps, he may do a double-take in the future in another parallel situation. )
This happens because of non-acceptance and judging others by our own thinking and abilities...My wife's main love language is affirmation for a reason....Sadly it has taken me years to understand this...
c
THIS.
Submitted by ADHDMomof2 on
Affirmation is my primary love language as well. My husband's is, by his actions, acts of service. It's also taken me years to realize he SHOWS me he loves me (even now, in this mess), and I say nice things, and we both wonder why we don't feel supported properly. I'm noticing more and more what he does compared to the things he sometimes says. This can sometimes provide me with a better barometer of what's going on.
Once Again, I Thank You, ADHDMomof2!
Submitted by GiveMePatience on
And, once again, you are obviously AN AMAZING teacher! I learned SO MUCH, just from this reply of yours! I SO WISH that I had more time to respond today, but I have to get going. I just wanted to tell you that I looked into "The Mindful Geek" and ordered a copy for my husband, as per YOUR recommendation! If this is a 'tool' that helped you so much, it is certainly worth a try! My 'options' are somewhat 'limited'... as my husband is NOT 'medicated'. He does, however, take 'supplements', which HAS helped to 'lessen the degree' of some of our 'challenges'...
I hope you start a Youtube channel, or something, ADHDMomof2, as you have A LOT OF INSIGHT AND WISDOM to offer!
My Sincerest Thank You,
GMP