Guys,
I am married to someone who might have ADD, but has never been diagnosed (to my knowledge). His mother passed away and I suspect that there may have been some psychological assessments early in my husband's life (based on things my mother in law said), but my husband doesn't know what his diagnoses were. In the meantime, he is not very keen on getting tested for anything and we cannot afford counseling. I've looked for counseling on a sliding scale in my area, but we cannot make the hours work and my husband doesn't want to go anyway.
I've read some of the posts on here when I've had time to lurk, and so many folks are describing my husband's behaviors. 6 years into this marriage, though, and I'm about to lose my mind. I've gone from being a loving, fun to be around person, to someone who is ornery and angry nearly all the time. I feel like my husband is a gaping black hole of needs. We met rather late in life and about 2 years into the marriage, I figured out that I could never have kids with him. I simply couldn't take care of him and children. Now it's too late. I know that a lot of the stuff that goes on is not his fault, but still, I cannot stop myself from being angry and from flying off the handle all the time. Little, dumb stuff will set me off just as much as the big, not-dumb stuff. It's depressing as all get out. I know it's awful for him and I feel bad for him, too. It's just that I feel pecked to absolute death by his needs 24/7. He tries, but I'm starting to think that he just is what he is and nothing is ever going to get any better. In the meantime, I have my own problems. My job is extremely demanding and not all that well-paid. Well, it sort of pays well, but who would know since all of the money I make goes to support our household of 8 pets, me, and my husband who is chronically unemployed or underemployed. I would change jobs to something more stable and less demanding, but long story short, due to identity theft, very few employers would consider hiring me. I'm currently self employed and have been for 14 years. Self-employment has it's own demands, though, all of which the self-employed person is responsible for.
In addition to whatever psychological stuff that may be at work with my husband - he was an only child - sort of a miracle baby - to the nicest most patient school-teacher parents (older) that I've ever known and so he was not raised with any expectations or even any irritation with him and his issues. He was just indulged and coddled and generally looked after. He tricked me into thinking he was a responsible person with steady, decent employment and savings, who looked after a home and himself, but of course, all of that has been proved a lie - his parents provided everything or his first wife. I do not think he deceived me on purpose - I think he genuinely believes he is those things. Consequently, when job hunting and at new jobs, he thinks he's better than the stuff he can be hired for and rarely lasts anywhere. He thinks he should be employed in an office-type position wearing suits and stuff to work, but he has no skills in this arena. He usually ends up working in a warehouse or some such. It's very degrading for him, but he has no qualifications that would enable him to get an office job. Nor does he have the aptitude. He simply cannot learn new stuff. He's 45, anyway, so time is running out on that stuff.
So, we're broke, we're troubled, and I'm exhausted from trying to hold it all together. I never get down time, I live in ways I do not wish - tired, messy, overrun with animals, pecked to death with questions and the need for attention, the need for assistance, instructions to be given, lists to be given, constant fighting about all the things that didn't get done, need to be done, will never be done. Battling his need to hoard stuff and his failure to even recognize the basics about me needing space and quiet and peace and cleanliness. It's awful.
But he's sweet and funny and kind and I love him. I just don't know if I can stay with him.
What the heck do I do if I can't afford to get us into counseling? Can you point me to some reading materials or relevant threads or anything? In my fantasies, we would separate for a little while. I would clean the house and put some order to it and get a break from him, then we could start over. But he would be absolutely crushed, and I'll be honest, I'm not sure he would be entirely faithful. He hasn't cheated on me, because he afraid of what I would do (leave him, etc), but I think he would do so if he knew he wouldn't be caught.
Thank you for reading.
-hazel
Hope?
Submitted by mariel on
oh Hazel, I feel for you, I really do. You sound hopeless and I think lots of us feel that or have felt it. My husband is recently diagnosed and I am just working my way through Melissa's books and advice here and elsewhere. I am feeling some hope. I wouldn't like to advise anyone else but I have been trying these things for a month or so and I think it's making things better for us.
My husband is keen to try and make changes although he is resistant to taking advice (even his own :-)) but things are better as I have ( or am) learning to draw some lines. It;s up to him to make or not make changes in himself and it;s up to me how I behave. Like you I didn't like the way I was behaving.
I am trying to allow him to feel the natural consequences of his actions (inactions) without stepping in to resolve things (am manging that) or by chipping in with "well if you';d put it away int he cupboard then you wouldn't be locked out now" and thereby focusing his anger at the troublesme situation on me rather than the problem ( I'm yet to crack this one). I am trying to stop managing him and just take more of an approach that the things I want taken care of I will have to take care of myself and the things that I am not bothered about I can let slide or let him do them in his own time or in the way that he chooses. i.e. stopping nagging and mothering.
I am making a big effort to notice for myself and let him know I notice the things he DOES do as I had become oblivious to them in the huge maelstrom of stuff he had forgotten or messed up. We have pretty much separated our finances so he has a small allowance from the work he does (when it's gone it's gone) and I meet all household expenses - that may not be fair but at least it's controlled and I can budget and nopt have to feel responsible or resentful when he breaks something or buys something. As much as possible I make sure that my social activities and things like meditation and exercise are planned and protected and happen, they can't be messed up or scuppered by things he does or doesn't do.
I'm not sure counseling will work for us either. but we might be able to get some as we live in the UK.
We certainly don't have it all sorted (like your vision of a period of separation I have a vision of oneday living in adjoinign flats or houses and having a lovely relationship with no shared responsibilities) but I feel we might be on the first step of a long road to somewhere better. How do you think your husband would feel if you wrote him a letter like the post you have done above? m x
hello hazlnutt :)
Submitted by c ur self on
( I never get down time, I live in ways I do not wish - tired, messy, overrun with animals, pecked to death with questions and the need for attention, the need for assistance, instructions to be given, lists to be given, constant fighting about all the things that didn't get done, need to be done, will never be done. Battling his need to hoard stuff and his failure to even recognize the basics about me needing space and quiet and peace and cleanliness. It's awful.) This statement of yours is the way my marriage was until 11 months of separation and 10 months of counseling...(I feel like my husband is a gaping black hole of needs.) This statement about the black hole is the way it seems for most of us who has a spouse who if they say 20 things to us in a day half or more is asking us if we will do something for them... (I've gone from being a loving, fun to be around person, to someone who is ornery and angry nearly all the time.) Awe! and this statement is who I was when we separated :)....Now how do you get past it...Here is a few tips that helped us....If you are not going to counseling it will be much harder...But, you can't be scared to set down with him and set some boundaries...Write down on paper before your session a few things that must change or feel is the worst things...Do not let your anger get involved or you are wasting your time...I don't care if it takes 20 attempts until you can communicate without interrupting each other...Remember the limitations....distractibility, hard to follow, keep your comments short and to the point and wait on a response...If you don't get one and he heard you...Do not push him...Kiss him and walk away, thank him for listening...He's an adult and he gets it...You need to get some counseling for your own anger even if its from a wise friend for free:) And I don't mean a pity party about all HIS problems YOU MUST SEE YOURSELF!....You must loose the bitterness and anger...It pushes you into the cycle of act and react....Its just a downward spiral...Here are two simple boundaries we set...timeliness...I go on time, if she don't care about time, she can come when she wants...I had to learn if she is happy showing up to church when its half over...I'm fine with it, its her life...Secondly...I will not live in a house that I can't pick up and the extra bedrooms are going to stay clean for children and grand children guest etc...She can have one room in the house to put her bins and boxes,, junk etc...We must respect our mates...They think they are fine and they like the way they live hoarding etc...for the most part...Also my wife is a sweet heart...BUT, she will take advantage of me if I let her...So we must have boundaries...So, good luck with it all...God is good and he loves you both...Remember you are not responsible for him...only to him, to be a faithful loving wife...If he choose's to face responsibilities like they don't exist...Do not point it out, you will suffer. My wife and I have separate bank accounts...and we do our taxes separately, we tried to doing them together, that's divorce material :) I wish I was kidding...You just can't depend on someone that's not dependable, I don't care how much you love them...If you love them you see them as they are, and do your best to live with them as understanding as possible...
Trying hard!!
Submitted by Tweetybird on
Wow....sounds like my life!! My husband was diagnosed ADHD a few years ago. At first with the medicine AND the counseling it was wonderful....not perfect by any means, but so much better than before. After 6 months he stopped the counseling and is just taking the medicine. Seems like he has slipped back into the same old ways. He has so many unfinished projects....and continues to keep getting new ones. We live in a house that he has been building for 15 years and is still far from done. I have learned to accept those things....I don't like it, but I can live with it. The problem that I am not sure that I can EVER learn to live with is his anger! He feels that he has the right to yell at me whenever the mood hits.....of course it always my fault that he HAD to do it. He is all about himself....I don't think he's capable of caring about anyone else's wants, needs or feelings. He always critiques. I even stopped cleaning house, making phone calls, or even washing my car when he's around. I wait until he's gone somewhere then hurry to do it so that I don't have to listen to him tell me how I should do , or say it!! He is extremely unthoughtful, uncaring and at times a downright jerk. He's always sorry and he's always going to change. I am trying to figure out how to deal with the yelling, unthoughtful, uncaring part of this man...without losing myself in the process. I do love him and he does have some good qualities....but it's getting harder and harder to see the good through all the bad :( I'm open for any ideas....you all may know something new that I haven't thought of and tried!
Deb
Thoughtful advice
Submitted by NLKohlenberger on
There is some very thoughtful advice here about setting boundaries, and about taking responsibility for one's own life. It can be very challenging to do that when there's a lot of anger and negativity coming in your direction. It is important at those times to dis-engage and do your best not to perpetuate the negativity. A simple statement that sounds like "I can't interact with you when you are in this state. I'm happy to talk to you when you are calmer," is called for at times like that. It can take a lot of self-control and self-respect to be able to hold that kind of boundary, but it also tells your spouse that you are not willing to be treated poorly. If he's apologizing all the time then he knows he's behaving badly. When he's calm, you may even want to let him know that you are not willing to be treated poorly, and that you will leave the room if he starts criticizing and talking down to you. You want your interactions to move in a positive direction.
On the other hand, when you catch him doing caring things, it is very important to pay attention to those things, and point them out and appreciate him for them. And you might want to consider modeling for him the kind of behavior you would like to see in him. Sometimes when we've been treated poorly for awhile, we get into a reactive mode, and don't even realize we are doing so. If you can do your best not to be reactive, but to just keep in mind that you are going to take care of yourself no matter what he does, that could change the dynamic between the two of you. It will take perseverance to keep your focus on moving the interactions away from the negative, but the important thing is to do your best at confrontational times to not engage.
There is also an excellent chapter on Anger in our book, The Couple's Guide to Thriving with ADHD. You might want to pick up a copy. It's a lot less expensive then counseling.
I wish you the best.
Awareness...
Submitted by c ur self on
I'm trying to live a life of of awareness thanks to all the things I've done wrong in trying deal with my wife's behaviors. Behaviors I never should have engaged, because I have found out the hard way ;) there can never be a soft landing for the conflict, when the person is living in denial, and has built there life around control...
I feel you should try to patiently listen to his instruction's/dialog about the why's and how's...Then say thanks for the tip or let him know you appreciate him... And then continue on with your chore's, phone calls etc...If he interjects again with a desire to control...Just say I've already thanked for your advice...But, I like the way I do things...Then walk away and leave him talking if he can't respect your kind answer...
I know what you are saying here, it's very frustrating to not be able to have a mutual respectful relationship where you can engage him at times when you need to...Without feeding the control monster and running a risk of encouraging more his control syndrome... When in most things in life we really are content with our own abilities and how we tackle day to day life issues....Blessings.
DO NOT FORGET ABOUT YOU
Submitted by Grrr on
I have been in an ADHD relationship for about five years. Do not forget about yourself. You must hold yourself together because no one else will. It can get depressing and I find the weekends are the worst for me. while he is at work, he has a routine: work, lunch, home, dinner, tv sleep. this goes on all week and when the weekend comes, no structure, no routine, which usually ends in chaos and bickering. Routine, a place for everything, matter of fact reminding(even though you want to yell and wring his neck for reminding for the umpteenth time to _____(fill in the blank)____.
I have not mastered the "find time for yourself no matter what" yet. I have fallen into a bit of a rut called "I have swam an ocean dealing with this and am going to lie on the beach and rest so leave me alone" kind of apathy. One day i hope he stops drinking Coca Cola. I read somewhere that it helped to not be ingesting artificial chemicals and preservatives.He can't stop drinking the stuff so whatever, one day maybe we will see if that will come. Luckily, mine is on ADHD medications and it helps. it is not a miracle cure, i wish it was, but it does help. It took four years for me to get him to try them(and he still tries to deny he is ADHD!) but i quickly remind him that he is and that the dr. wouldn't give him meds like that unless he were ADHD. That usually ends that discussion. lol Many stories on this site are extremely similar to mine; if not exact duplicates. Often,(not always) they are coupled with addictions of some sort (or another disorder) and mine seems to be addicted to pot. it seems to be the only thing that calms him(but if he doesn't have it, grouchy! which is a major bummer).
I have also heard that Omega 3 and 6 help if he is resistant to actual ADHD medications; maybe you could tout a health kick or maybe he won't be offended by a vitamin as much as being diagnosed with adhd and having to take meds.....Either way, I empathize with you and understand and validate everything you have said. I know how exhausting it all is and keep telling yourself that you are doing the best you can and focus on the positive. Heavy praise for the things he does right can do wonders. Visual reminders or calendars and lists that can be seen daily can also help at times. Breaking jobs down into smaller jobs; one step at a time may help. We have not conquered anger yet, that is still quick unfortunately a problem but less since the meds.
I wish you luck and don't lose hope! Your pets all love you no matter what!
A.
Thank you for responding to
Submitted by hazlnutt on
Thank you for responding to my plea! You and everyone else who responded. I find it is hardest for me when I'm super busy at work and that happened to coincide with my husband's latest round of unemployment, which was a recipe for disaster. He has gotten a job since then and it helps, although this one happens to be so close to home that he comes home for lunch and is home within 5 minutes of getting off of work, which means he is still encroaching a lot on times that I would normally have to myself. It's kind of depressing that I wish he had longer hours so I could have a little more quiet time, but it is what it is.
In the meantime, I'm reading everything on this website as a primer (LOL)! I'm also pushing back a lot on stuff. It makes me feel like an ogre, but what can I do? Sometimes I feel like it's either him or me and I simply can't do it like this any longer. I'm sure not everything I try will be successful, but if I don't try them, I'll never know. I just hope not to make him feel too bad or too hemmed in, in the process. I will try harder to praise him, though, for the things that he is able to accomplish and for the efforts that he makes. I don't want to push for a break from him, so instead I'll just fight for some space in our lives for me, both physically and emotionally. I do know that I like him a lot more when I'm not as busy, myself. That's a super hard thing to deal with, though, because if I'm not busy, I'm not making much money and if I am busy, I can't stand my situation. And since I'm the primary earner... sigh.
Oh well, no one said marriage was easy. We still love each other so that's good. Maybe I'm recognizing the problems in time to steer us in a better direction.
And thanks everyone for your insights. I have read your messages and will continue to review them and try to incorporate your wisdom into my life. xo
Another post that sounds like
Submitted by lauren07 on
Another post that sounds like my husband. It's too late for my marriage, but it sounds like yours still has hope. Whew, it's hard;)