Hi, I live in the Great Lakes area, am in a lengthy marriage with four children, and was diagnosed a few years back. Now we're in deep trouble and I just need some outside eyes.
Like so many others here, my condition, in combination with my wife's response to it, has caused serious difficulties for us and we are now on the brink of divorce. We have the typical parent-child dynamic going on where she is ultimately responsible for the big things in our household, and her (understandable) bitterness and resentment over this, along with a lack of respect for me is creating an unequal and destructive relationship. I also have not been as affectionate or attentive to her as a spouse should be, and she is (understandably) hurt by that as well.
Showing affection is impossible at this stage of our marriage (for both of us). But I am now working very hard at my ADHD treatment, having tried many different meds and doses, and having finally found a pretty good combination. I am also going to therapy/counseling about once a week. But my wife says she thinks things have gotten worse since I started my treatment and that I am now using my ADHD as an excuse. For my part, I am exasperated by her unwillingness to be the least bit empathetic or supportive of my treatment. She says that I cannot demand to be treated as an equal if I at the same time say that I am not an equal in pulling my weight at home. She says that if I were physically handicapped, I wouldn't expect to be treated as a person who can walk. She doesn't think I deserve respect, but that I must earn it. Her lack of respect for me, she says, comes from having seen me too often in a position of weakness where I am being pathetic. But when I say that I feel disrespected, demand that she stop cutting me down to size or directing her rage onto me, and when I ask her to be supportive of my treatment she accuses me of getting into a victim-mode.
I don't think that I am using my diagnosis as an excuse. From the first moment I was diagnosed, I never denied my ADHD. Instead, it has been a great relief for me to finally understand my repeated and demoralizing failures in life (despite being, on the whole, a very successful person professionally). But I haven't stopped trying to be a better person just because I got the diagnosis. I try to find workarounds for my deficiencies, using alarms, timers etc. And while I do not pull equal weight when it comes to the big things like doing bills or planning our family events etc, I have a successful career and am a loving and present father who picks up from school, takes the kids to & from activities five times a week and puts them to bed almost every night. (Of course, when I do this I am often late, stress a lot, and don't always prepare the kids' bags etc, and I know that doesn't stack up to all that she does. But I am far from a deadbeat dad or complete slacker.)
It's just that learning to do things differently as an adult, and to manage your ADHD symptoms is very very difficult, and I am far from having been entirely successful in my quest to do so as of yet. And when I get so little support from her, it's even harder. I easily fall back into self-destructive and negative spirals after she has yelled at me or we've fought. I know this is unproductive and that I can't put my possibility for improvement on her, but I guess this is one point where I'd like some input (beyond just venting):
I feel that I am making a reasonable demand that we both do our part to make things better, and for her that means that she should be understanding of my condition and supportive of my treatment and that she doesn't sabotage it with her rage and resentment. But perhaps I am just - as she claims - blaming her for my failure to improve and placing myself in a "victim mode". The latter is obviously wrong and I know I need to take responsibility for my own progress or lack thereof. But I find it difficult to determine if I am in fact standing up for myself when placing these demands on her (hence NOT being a victim), or if I am instead laying my treatment failures on her! What does it sound like to you all?
Input from both ADHD and non-ADHD spouses are welcome. (BTW, if anyone with ADHD made it through this essay of a post - you should be proud!!!)
I Had the Same Issue
Submitted by kellyj on
I too was doing the same thing that you were from the sound it and had the same thinking too. ( I have ADHD too) I think you already identified the source of the problem....getting derailed or side tracked into negative thoughts and it going down hill from there. This I've discovered is a common one for us and was a real problem for me. I had to keep telling myself over and over that here's where it starts to go wrong......and then keep on going without getting upset or angry or worse...losing my temper. As it played out....there were things that were issues on my wife's side of things that kept making me feel so self righteous about the reason's why...that this thinking in itself was creating the obstacle in my own ability to stay on track and start spiraling. I focused on what I needed to do and didn't let her get me off track no matter how hard that was to do.
Eventually...my wife began to recognize her own part in this once I stopped contributing to it on my end. Not the overall failure to do everything about my ADHD without fail....just the part about my own reaction to her. I had to be the one stop before she could see this part herself.
A wise man told me once " it pretty much doesn't matter who had the right of way in a car collision...if your dead! " It's pretty hard to argue with. lol
J
Impressive
Submitted by holegg on
Thanks JJamieson for the quick and very helpful reply! Yes, that's exactly what I do: I let myself get derailed. It's an impressive achievement to put a stop to that like you did. I'd like to but I just don't know how to get there. My problem is not liquor but it's a lot like being an alcoholic and saying that I just won't drink next time I feel the urge. Easy to say, harder to do... Do you know what it was that made it possible for you to break the vicious circle or how you were able to do it more precisely? Was it enough to just keep telling yourself to break it?
My Therapist
Submitted by kellyj on
He's been working on me for a while in our talks about being defensive. It's my nature and again...from the sound of it is a common problem. Every time I would come back with yet another reason why I had a good reason or that she has problems too so therefore...blah blah. He kept saying the same thing......."don't let ANYTHING !! you do be contingent on anything anyone else does." period. end of story. over and over.
If you think about it....this statement leaves you no room to do anything else. But the key here for me was how I felt after I would lose my temper which was always bad and I agreed with him when he asked me.."do you want to lose your temper or do you not want to lose your temper but can't? My answer of course was..."no, I don't want to lose my temper ever with anyone at anytime".
He said "there you go....that doesn't leave very many options now does it?" And then he asked me " if a baby is in the other room crying... and that's a trigger for your anger....would stab it with a pitch fork and throw into the fire? I said " errrrrrr. of course not!!" "Well, then you have some boundaries that you simply will not cross already. I just gave you an example of one. Now...make this one of those boundaries....one that you never ever will cross ever. Just like the baby and the pitch fork"
I love that ....it's why I go see him. He can make me laugh and at the same time...put you into a corner that there's just no getting out of. I think he's great because of his ability to do this with a smile. He can put a smile on my face every time with these anecdotes like throwing a baby into the fire with a pitch fork. I'm smiling right now as I am writing this just thinking about that moment. It's an art I think. He kind of reminds me of Mark Twain with his kind of back woods logic and stories like this.
FYI: the one with the car collision was actually my own father and he was actually upset because I had been driving his car and a lady ran a red light and T boned me...my comment to him in that moment was....but I had a green light..it was my right of way! And that's when he said what he said right there on the spot without thinking about. It was so perfect in the same way and I have always remembered that one. Saying it another way...too remind yourself in those moments. Which one is more important....getting angry or your relationship? Too funny.
Right back to the original goal. He actually gave this to me as an assignment to do. The one and only assignment. I had to do nothing else but just this one thing until I could find a way to do it. From that day I lost it only twice and the last time being almost 9 months ago. The beautiful thing about this is that if you can do it.....the other person really has no choice to do it unless they really don't care. It kind of shines the spot light in the other direction if you know what I mean..and all you have to do is simply not react. I had to leave the room a lot of the time to do it....and even had to get in my car and drive to the store and leave the house but...it worked. and when I stopped....she stopped too. Relatively quickly I might add.dd She also realized what she was doing too and pretty quickly saw her own part in this which there definitely was.
But no amount of talking or discussing or anything else I did made the situation change until I just stopped. No words...no discussions...no nothing. Silence. And then after a few minutes went by...i would come back and just continue like nothing ever happened. No passive aggressive shit either. Just like nothing ever happened and it happened a lot!!!
That's how I did it and it really tested me in every way possible to simply keep my pie hole shut and be angry at the same time. But I found that I really only needed 10 minutes of less to come back like I said. It got shorter and shorter until now.....we both stop, take a deep breath and move on without incident. Plus...we both learned that there are times to talk adn discuss...and there are times to shut your mouth.
It took some time to get past myself to do this but now I look back and see how well this worked. To be clear....shutting your mouth is not giving the other person the "silent treatment".....everyone knows what that is and it's passive aggressive. Your not fooling anyone when you do this so be aware of that too if you find that you are silently being hostile. That doesn't work either. lol
I hope this helps?
J
Thanks again
Submitted by holegg on
for sharing your story JJ! It does help. My problem is not losing it in anger and lashing out, but precisely the passive-aggressive silent anger that you mention at the end of your comment, coupled with self-destructive behavior. But the dynamic of it is the same as the one you describe so your therapist's solution should apply to me too. I'll try the advice.
I think it's reasonable in
Submitted by PoisonIvy on
I think it's reasonable in any relationship to have a ground rule that the partners don't yell at each other. But I also think that each partner must have the right to express his or her feelings, but without using yelling or physical or emotional abuse.
Yep.You Said It
Submitted by kellyj on
ditto :)
J