Does anyone else feel like their ADHD partner really just doesn't fundamentally understand the emotional impact of their actions and behaviors on others? Like there's almost some kind of real, mental barrier that actually prevents the connections from being made?
My partner is very well-managed and fully acknowledges his ADHD in terms of its impact on his personal, organizational, and work life. He has outstanding systems in place and functions honestly more highly than I do in terms of overall productivity. He does not, however, seem willing at all to acknowledge that ADHD impacts our relationship, communication, and indeed even his ability to understand or empathize with my feelings.
We deal with a LOT of semantic, splitting-hairs type of discussions. Counseling has helped somewhat, but we keep returning to different iterations of the same pattern:
Behavior X on his part. (Lately it is immediately changing demeanor and affect when I have to get out of bed in the morning before he wants me to. Sweetness one minute, sullen and withdrawn the next second).
Feeling Y from me. (Lately, hurt and frustrated that he is treating me completely differently from one minute to the next)
Discussion:
Me: "This behavior is causing me to feel hurt."
Him: "Well, that's not what I'm doing. I wouldn't do that to you."
Me: "I know that you would not intentionally cause me to feel hurt. But regardless of your intention, this behavior is causing me to feel hurt."
Him: "Well I've explained that I am not doing that."
Me: "OK. How would you feel in my place?"
Him: "I would understand that once you've told me you're not intending this, I need to stop feeling that way."
End discussion.
How can I explain and help him see that taking out your feelings on your partner in this way is emotional manipulation? My counselor calls him an emotional abuser, because of this clear pattern of expectation-disappointment-punishment. But he denies that it IS punishment. And I think he really beleves that. To him, it's just him and his feelings. No concept of how they impact me. They just shouldn't because he doesn't "mean" for them to.
And...he wouldn't "stop feeling that way". He doesn't actually have the emotional control to do so. And I think that he knows this deep down, but it's an area where ADHD is defeating him, so he can't admit or address it.
He thinks that he behaves rationally, that he exercises empathy and puts himself in my place, etc. But he doesn't see himself and his actions through the same lens I do. He focuses only on his perception of himself. If I question this perception, or even insinuate that maybe his behavior needs to change (nevermind that his behavior might be either related to ADHD, or the cause of a conflict), then he becomes defensive and combative, and tells me that it's my REACTIONS to his behavior, and the way I INTERPRET things that needs to change. Not the initial behavior itself. Quote: "how can you expect me to let you feel hurt over something when I can prove that it doesn't make sense?" He feels that he has no choice about his behavior, because when his feelings change, his behavior changes.
How can you explain to someone that they are being emotionally immature and self-involved? That other people also experience frustration and disappointment, but don't take it out on their partners? That all compromise can't come from the other side? That just because you're feeling something doesn't mean you change your entire demeanor towards your partner? And that your partner has a right to say "this hurts me" and have that accepted at face value, not be argued with and told that they're just misinterpreting and their feeling is wrong?
Silence is Golden in these situations.....
Submitted by c ur self on
How can I explain and help him see that taking out your feelings on your partner in this way is emotional manipulation?...By climbing out of bed and starting your day being the happy productive person you are; Then if he spits out a hurtful remark; expect it! and ignore it! It's just a petty attempts to control you....Never give it one thought; it's mental illness and denial and until you recognize it you will always be asking this question...
If you don't walk away and let him own his own crap, it will continue, because he has you right where he wants you....Be bigger than him!...It may take months of this not engaging his manipulation for him to see you can't be used and manipulated....
I'm speaking from experience; I can't tell you how many times I've done what you do...Bale right in there with a heart of love thinking this can fixed verbally....She; and probably your husband would die before they would see and hear when we tell them what kind of effect their having on our emotions....Why do think so many people w/ mind and personality disorders hate to go to counselors and therapist? They want fall for their manipulation, they see it, and have no emotional connection to them...So they are naked and disarmed when they can't control the situation...
You've got to walk away; And let the echo of their own voice be the last thing they hear; Most everyone can learn; when I finally withdrew verbally and let the echo of her own voice be the last words....She started hating her last statements; with me quiet; she had to hear, so she started running me down and apologizing; this never use to happen when I would try and get her to verbally confront it....I always got what you're getting....Blind Denial....
C
Yes, my H is a lot that way.
Submitted by overwhelmedwife on
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Him: "I would understand that once you've told me you're not intending this, I need to stop feeling that way."
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When you have to get out of bed before he wants you to, and his mood changes, have you tried saying something like:
"I'm not intending to make you feel hurt, so as you've advised me, you need to stop feeling that way."