I'm so glad to have found this site. I'm at wit's end! I've been married for 21 years and I don't know how much longer I can take living this way. My husband is a good man, I firmly believe he has good intentions and I believe that he loves me as best he can. He has severe ADD (not so much the HD part, thank the Lord) and has known he has this diagnosis for most of his life, but he refuses medication and he refuses to admit that it's an issue. He is so defensive, I never know when any comment is going to trigger anger and a huge defensive reaction. He turns everything around and makes it my fault, to the point that I learned to preface every request I have with an apology that I probably do whatever it is worse than he does but...(fill in the blank). It's like he has a force field around him that won't let in any sort of acceptance that he's done something wrong. Anything he does admit to, he says I drove him to do. I've spent so much time blaming myself, going to therapy trying to figure out what's wrong with me, and trying to accept that I have to take responsibility for all the little things that he doesn't notice or see or those things just won't get done. We have tried couples therapy but any time he feels threatened (which can just mean that someone politely suggests he needs to change something) he antagonizes the counselor and we end up quitting. He says we need to find a counselor who is smarter than the 4 we've already tried, because none of them can see through to the real problem. Which I've come to realize in his mind means that they don't see that the real problem is always me, which (believe me I know I'm not perfect) after years of therapy I know is not the truth.
The hardest thing is, he just seems to entirely lack empathy. He has no ability to put himself in another person's shoes, and he will simply ignore even the most serious situation if it threatens his own comfort or requires his attention. I honestly don't know sometimes if I'm dealing with a narcissist or if it's just the ADD. His parenting mirrors all of this and it's often like having an extra child. He takes everything his teenagers say or do personally, like it's an attack on him, and then he fights with them as though he's the same age (actually, now that my oldest is 20, he's more mature than my husband when they argue...despite the fact that my son also has ADD). He demands respect but he doesn't listen, pay attention, or understand what others are going through and he doesn't do the daily hard work it takes to truly earn that respect. It's hard to respect someone who doesn't listen to or respect you. It's hard to feel loved by someone who ignores your pain and your real needs.
Our son went through a major depression a few years ago, and he simply ignored what was going on. It was very scary, very serious and it lasted years. My husband checked out entirely, dealt with it by yelling at my son or ignoring him, and left me to deal with it alone. He fought me on getting any kind of help for him and I made the mistake of respecting that for far too long, and our son suffered for it. I spent years on alert, up all night with a depressed kid who I was worried would hurt himself, dealing with escalating issues that involved self-harm and suicidal thoughts. Before long, I had exhausted all my own resources and ended up with major depression myself! He ignored this, too. He ridiculed me. He minimized my pain and refused to take it seriously. He refused to help even when I begged him to stay up with me at night because I was afraid I'd hurt myself. He told me not to go on medication and made me feel awful for considering it. He took my depression as a personal attack on him when he considered it at all, and most of the time he pretended everything was fine.
After years of this suffering and misery I finally went against his wishes and got help for both of us. Both of us were in counseling and both of us are on medication, and thankfully that has gotten it under control. We are stable now, but the root of the issue is still there...I really can't pretend any more that this is OK or that I'm at fault for all of it. I can't pretend that if I'm depressed or sick or in need of help again, the man I am married to will be responsive to my needs. And honestly I'm dealing with some PTSD because of the scary and prolonged situation with my son. I don't like the person I've become and I hate the fact that right now I honestly have turned off my own empathy and compassion where my husband is concerned. I'm just so tired of his needs being more important than all of the rest of ours. And I hate it that we wasted years trying to make him happy by not facing what was going on and getting help...those are years we won't ever get back. When I try to discuss this with him, he tells me it was awful living with depressed people and wants me to feel sorry for him for having to go through that. I have a really hard time feeling sorry for him, although (since I was the one dealing with our son's illness) I do know how hard that is. Then I feel bad that I don't feel bad.
I'm committed to staying married and doing everything I can to make this work. But I am starting to think that it's going to depend on whether or not he can face the fact that his issues...whether they are ADD or some other, larger problem...need to be addressed and worked on. I've told him that I want him to go to therapy himself, but he's not done it so far. I really don't think that couples therapy will help until he starts to work on his problems as well, but I'm willing to try it again in hopes that maybe a marriage therapist can help him see that he needs help. I don't know what else to try.
Welcome, paper tiger
Submitted by Chevron on
Welcome, paper tiger
Yes, if he's known he has ADHD and doesn't want to deal with medication or deal with the fact that his ADHD affects relations, change in him DOES depend on him to pull change off. You cant waltz with someone who insists that cha cha is the only dance that exists. Either you give up on waltzing with him and see if chacha is even possible for you to do, or you can't dance with him at all.
So sorry you've been through so much emotional pain. Glad you're here, and hope visiting the site helps you sort through what you need to sort through.
What about not doing marital counseling, for the reasons that you say, and for now not pressing about him getting therapy since he's not motivated for that, but you get a coach and professional talking partner for you? Help for you right now. Sounds like you could use someone in your corner, who would take you seriously and not act as if you werent going through a hard time
welcome to the group,
Chevron
Your story is painful for me
Submitted by Hopeful Heart on
Your story is painful for me to read because it's so very similar to my story. ADHD, narcissistic tendencies, lack of empathy, lack of support with children, blaming me for all the problems. I've lived through all of it.
However, there is one big difference between your story and mine. My husband and son's ADHD was undiagnosed for the first 21 of our marriage. When my husband read the first few chapters of The ADHD Effect on Marriage, he couldn't deny the situation. At that point we started working together to improve our situation. It's been two years and the progress has been slow, but there has been a significant amount of progress.
By the time we started making improvements, my physical and emotional health were in great decline. I'm still not my old self and I don't know if I ever will be.
From your description, your husband's narcissistic tendencies sound very strong. i realized that my husband isn't an actual narcissist because he does have empathy after the fact. He is able to see that his actions are hurtful if I explain the situation to him and he's remorseful and wants to do better in the future. His narcissistic tendencies are a result of his inward thinking and hyperfocus due to ADHD. My parents, on the other hand, are full blown narcissists. They would never validate another persons feelings. They would never admit to being anything less than perfect. They would never apologize for their actions. They will never change, in my opinion. Maybe you can consider if your husband falls into one of these categories.
I wish I had solutions to offer you. I sincerely hope you can continue to improve your situation.
I am so glad you found this site....
Submitted by c ur self on
I think if you will spend some time reading here you will find support and learn new things to help you....There are many spouses who post here who deal with many, if not all, the same things you are dealing with...
To be honest, your husband sounds like a male version of my wife in many ways....Based on your post, it sounds like he is in full blown denial....
Blame and denial creates a closed mind that for the most part is incapable of showing empathy. When you attempt to point out anything to this type of mind, you will most always meet w/ defensiveness...They will hardly ever show the capacity to discuss their own behaviors, but will freely pile on you, if you humbly want to admit guilt in area's of a conflict....
Just to observe someone living life with this type of mind...You will notice these characteristics....Selfishness at a high level, little or no empathy, a limited ability to show or regulate emotions (Goggle Alexithymia, if you haven't heard of it, they show many of the same symptoms). Quick to make accusations, and/or judge others...Rarely will confess wrong doing of any type...The more pressure they are put under, the worse the symptoms manifest... They are usually at their calmest and happiest when they are getting their way, or the environment is low pressure, situations like staring at a TV, computer or iPhone or personal hobbies...(much like a child).. Many will seek to control the environment and the people around them, if they are allowed too. If they can't, or are confronted, they will pout or not participate many times. (like a child)... No matter how outlandish there comments are, they will usually fight you over it, as being absolute truth. For all practical purposes there is almost no ability to communicate with an individual who is locked in a mind of denial....Unless, it's low pressure things like meals, games, simple dialog, etc...Some are classically lazy, and will use you up, if you allow them to...Most live in a victim mind....
The effects of trying to communicate and pursue an individual who is locked in a mind of denial, is fools gold, and will cause you much pain and anguish...It is very detrimental to your mental and physical health.
What has helped here over the past 4 years is just coming to Accept the reality of what this mind is going to produce, and not allow my emotions to be affected my it...Easier said than done, but, that's the goal, and I've been successful enough to know it works...
When I learned to (was able to by God's Grace) turn my attention back onto my own needs and my own life, my physical and mental health improved immediately...It takes firm boundaries in the areas that are vital to sustainable life and living....Some of our things may not be problems for you two...But taking a stand for your own rights in vital....Never allow yourself to be stressed out because you submit to unwise living....If he goes late, go separate, If is terrible w/ finances, have separate finances. If he hoards up things on his side of the bedroom, keep your side clean, safe and tidy. On and On...Be You!
Never allow yourself to over focus on his life, when you should be managing your own...When we have partners that we can't communicate with, the tendency is to worry about it. and try to change it...Worry will make you sick, mentally, physically and spiritually...Worry will steal your attention and focus...It will rob you of your peace!...You have to be conscience of it, and recognize it when it's happening, and tell yourself, It's OK to be me, to live, to breathe...Never be a victim. And no matter how different you and your spouse are, don't assign blame....Life will absolutely pass us by while our focus has been stolen, and we are seeking to change another adult human...(We only get the hells of this life, when attempt to press into a closed mind of denial)
Peace be with you...Paper Tiger....I will pray for your family....
C