My husband has this thing about making jokes at all the wrong places and times. And, so many of you know how this goes, if I tell him that what he just said or did was rude or interrupting what I’m trying to accomplish, he doesn’t own it. Instead, there are a few things he might do. He might just ignore the entire scenario, he might make more jokes and have the attitude of “what are you going to do about it, huh?!”, or he might get irritated. There have been maybe ten times when he laughs and says, “you’re right; that wasn’t helpful,” but then he continues to laugh to himself or smirk.
It gets even more frustrating if this happens when we are in a group with others. I will see people exchange glances when he interrupts me to make a joke. And certainly, that’s not the moment to say anything to him. It would make a scene.
I have a theory that a lot of it is because his trying to stimulate himself. I can see that, but he cannot. He doesn’t know all that much about adhd and the many ways it can manifest. What little he had learned about it has already faded to the background for him. And pointing it out, “I wonder if you interrupting me with a joke on something unrelated is an adhd symptom for you?” would not go over well. And these days, I don’t care too much about educating him. He doesn’t care about personal growth and has said so.
Me being frustrated in the moment doesn’t change his reaction. He doesn’t show empathy or remorse. So saying, “when you interrupt with a joke, I feel like you see this conversation with me as a bother,” will not change anything. In fact, he will play it off like I’m being too sensitive or making a big deal about a little joke. But this happens enough that it isn’t me. It’s frustrating to not just me, but others as well who also try to talk to him.
I could respond to his deflection and minimization by calling them what they are, but that will bring more anger on his end and more turning it around to me. There is no way to get through because he doesn’t want to change.
And I’m tired of trying to open his eyes.
So what should my response be? I’m ready to draw a boundary on this for my own sake, but mostly for myself. I expect no change whatsoever on his end. So “boundary” is a loose term here. I mostly want to take some sort of purposeful action that validates my experience with him, but also shows that I won’t be walked all over.
So I could just silently stare at him and give a long pause to the point of awkwardness, but that doesn’t feel satisfactory to me. Too passive. Any ideas?
I wish I had ideas for this
Submitted by PoisonIvy on
I wish I had ideas for this but I don't. I do feel much sympathy and empathy for you.
Thanks, PoisonIvy. Your
Submitted by Brindle on
Thanks, PoisonIvy. Your support means a lot.
Inappropriate jokes and interruptions
Submitted by 1Melody1 on
Wow. Did I write this post?? I read this and thought I was reading about my own life! Like you, I have tried a lot of strategies and there is no change in his behavior. If anything, he doubles down intentionally sometimes! My current strategy is kind of working and that is to let the interruption or comment pass as though I did not hear it and continue with what I was saying. He still does it just as much and it still annoys me, but now I don't let him derail my conversations with him or with others in the house. Sometimes he loves his joke so much that he will ask if I heard it. If he is not interrupting when he asks me that I simply respond that I did not because I was on the phone ordering flowers for my uncle's funeral/talking to our daughter about her day at her friend's house/in the middle of telling him about the quote I got for the roof.
Like you said, it is a boundary for me. I doubt it will have a lot of impact on his behavior but it makes me feel like I have the power not to give every interruption or rudeness of his an audience. Of course, outside of our home with groups of people, I may or may not act differently depending on the situation. I am not one to make a scene either!
Yes! My husband sometimes
Submitted by Brindle on
Yes! My husband sometimes doubles down, too. I think our husbands just really don’t want to grow up.
So Jokey it's weird and not funny
Submitted by jennalemone on
Exactly Brindle! I never thought of this as ADD but it seems to be here on this board for a few of us! ADD? I'm not seeing the connection. But this is VERY MUCH something that happens here too.....CONSTANTLY. Day after day, year after year. It was one of the biggest pains to me that exist from H. He is ALWAYS "on" with the joking and many times about/to me. I am often the "butt" of his funniness.
There is no changing him, I accept. I however have changed. Instead of feeling offended or hurt or off guard, I have ways of responding. I don't want to be constantly having a battle of wits with this man who can easily out-gross me and out creepily, inanely spar endlessly. But lately I have realized that he LIKES to be put in his place. (which, if I "put him in his place" he likes to play verbal volleyball). I put him in his place with a zinger, sternly, and then I drop it. When he tries to keep it going I am gone or mute. He smiles when I do that. It's creepy to me but its a concession I make. I used to be witty and funny. His inappropriate funniness made my funniness in collaboration with him weird and uncomfortable and I didn't like "our" funniness. He has to have the last laugh and there is a dirty dominance to his humor.
The hard part about this is that I have had to accept that I cannot trust my partner to "have my back" or that we cannot have the intimate conversations and life that I would have expected a husband and wife to have. H is a child, a clown, an imp. That is sad to me to have to accept that this is who is my partner. But I stopped being angry and sad. My responses to him are mechanical to protect my self respect and my sanity. That is how it has to be. I have to live with myself.
I’m also the butt of many of
Submitted by Brindle on
I’m also the butt of many of his jokes. Actually, whoever he’s talking to is also fair game to be the butt of his jokes. Basically, I guess the only kind of funny he knows how to be is the cheap and easy kind.
Bullying insults in those jokes
Submitted by sickandtired on
Jenna’s description of the “dirty dominance” in the jokes is very similar to my experience. My exBF did the same thing. He barely had a high school education, and I’m not sure if he actually graduated since I met him in his late 40’s. I have a Master’s degree. He would constantly attempt to put me down with jokes about my abilities and education. This was a popular topic for him any time we were around other people. For example, my best friend went on a big driving trip with us. During the long distance driving, among other topics, she and I would talk about our fun college days. My ex would blurt out things like, “To have sooooo much education, you don’t have much common sense, ha ha ha ha”.
It was like he resented me because I had an advanced degree from a university, and I had a lot of friends, and he did not, so his only way to feel better about himself was to put me down. In addition to his anger issues, this sarcastic verbal abuse was another major reason that he is out of my life now.
I remember when my new husband and I met a group of my friends for drinks. I was amazed that he said nice things about me to my friends. Why is that surprising? Because I had been previously programmed to expect insults from a mate like my ex had done.
If it is any consolation,
Submitted by Sollertiae on
If it is any consolation, most men I have dated have done this to me - ADHD or not. I have a PhD and am the expert in my field and employ and have no qualms about it. This is apparently, very intimidating. An ex partner of mine would continuously try to correct me on dates (history) and argue theology with me because proving me wrong in public made him feel better. Another spent a lot of time putting down the field I work in as pointless, compared to what he did (this lasted all of a week). I've had people dump me because I couldn't be more 'girly' and less 'intellectual' - implying that I undermined their masculinity. The only difference I find is... well none. I was going to say that ADHD lowers inhibitions and let's happen in public more, but one of my junior (male, non ADHD'ers) staff demanded in public to know my qualifications on my first day. Whereas my current partner who has ADHD utterly respects my skills and mind with absolute joy.
My take home is people are exhausting, and never stay with anyone who doesn't respect your achievements. There is absolutely no excuse.
I’m sorry that he did that to
Submitted by Brindle on
I’m sorry that he did that to you. What an insecure person he was! I’m sure he’d be upset if he knew that his insecure response made it clear to everyone that he was insecure. Tell me - do you think this is also insecurity: my guy will brag about me when I’m not around, but he won’t tell me if I’ve done a good job. Seems like it’s all about him, but is that insecurity or just selfishness, to only say I’ve done well when I’m not around to hear it?
I know what you mean about being programmed to expect insults. When a man I don’t know is nice to me, I marvel. It makes me sad that I’m so used to a lack of genuine care. I don’t care if it is couched in humor or if he’s just trying to be funny but hasn’t got the skills to really be funny. It still shows only thinking about their own amusement or desires instead of us.
Exactly this
Submitted by 1Melody1 on
Oh my goodness, do I every know what you mean. I am quite scared of stinging insects and one day when I was unloading my groceries from the cart to the trunk, a bunch of bees swarmed my grocery bags - maybe 8 or 9. There was definitely a smell or something that they wanted. I was terrified and really struggling to grab the bags and get them in my car, while keeping the bees out. A man came along with his wife and he came over and just grabbed the bags for me and got them in the car. He fought the bees away, closed my trunk and returned my cart. Unbelievable. I was blown away. My husband would have watched me without helping, laughed at me and told me how ridiculous my fear is.
Just last week a driver ahead of me "paid it forward" at the drive through and bought the strawberry lemonade drink I was ordering as a treat for my daughter. I actually cried because my day had been so busy and so awful and I had had absolutely no help from my husband. That kind gesture was everything.
But honestly, someone merely holds a door for me and I am surprised and almost moved to tears. My husband lets me open them all because he's a germaphobe and would rather me touch the handle than him. Truly.
I was just thinking yesterday how low my standards are. Why? Because I thought, "If I could just be with someone who had a stable job...". Really? That's where my bar is now? The very basic thing virtually every adult should do and I am longing for that... just that? When I am out of this marriage, I will need a LOT of time to get my standards up and focus on what I actually need and want in a person. If I ever trust myself again.
Understanding his mind.....
Submitted by c ur self on
I'm much like your husband...But, not a joke guy....So is my wife....Yep...It's not good...LOL...I can tell you why it happens, but, I can't tell you how to stop it....It happen's because of deep thinking, (his internal thought process is over powering his ability to listen in the moment) he isn't attached (hearing a noise, but not listening for understanding) to what ever you are saying...For me, I only realize the mistake (the interruption) after I've talked on top of you...I usually just say, excuse me, what were you saying?...I am more aware of this w/ others...But it's no excuse, I need to be the same w/ her...She is a big talker, (she has a hard time tracking in conversations) and it's because she is more comfortable talking that trying to listen....I don't feel like I am that away, but, I am much like her to a degree..I just have better recall and comprehension, when I am locked into what is being said.....I tell myself internally to not speak up (at family gatherings, Sunday school, group meetings,) as therapy for my own listening skills...But I usually disappoint myself :(....It's easy to make excuses for this...But, no matter if you are a type A, adder, who is intelligent w/ much to offer (well studied) on certain subjects....We all should work to be quiet...Share talk time, and be good listeners...It just takes much more awareness for some of us....
Many things are unintentional...But, they don't need to be excused, it's still rude...No matter why it's happening.....
Share my post w/ your husband...Maybe it will ring a bell....
c
C, I don’t have a problem
Submitted by Brindle on
C, I don’t have a problem with the interruption so much as the response. Yes, I find the interruption annoying because it’s obvious I’m talking but he isn’t listening. And yes, I can take a second and remind myself that adhd does that to him whether he wants it to or not. But the bigger picture to me is how he won’t just have the humility to own it. Instead, let’s avoid it, dig in deeper, or act like the wife is the one with the problem. I’m tired of the childish response. I want an adult response. Even my kids would say, “sorry.” Why are my kids more developed than he is?
"But the bigger picture to me
Submitted by 1Melody1 on
"But the bigger picture to me is how he won’t just have the humility to own it. Instead, let’s avoid it, dig in deeper, or act like the wife is the one with the problem. I’m tired of the childish response. I want an adult response."
I want this in poster-size. Or on one of those giant banners pulled by an airplane. Absolutely right, Brindle.
Your frustration is the prime example of the "PROBLEM".....
Submitted by c ur self on
It's not about adhd...It's about what happens to our attempted relationships when there is justification, and denial instead of humility and ownership.....This web site probably wouldn't exist...(or would be used as only a learning site) if it wasn't for denial of destructive behaviors......The only reason there can be hope is ownership and seeing our needs....(for both spouses)....There has to be something (someone) that brings us to our knees, and allows us to see our selfishness, and what our actions are doing to the person and people we claim to love....
There is no hope for me (my peace) as long as my eyes are on her, vs the Christ, who died for me, loves me, and abides with me.......I have no idea how anyone experience's any real peace, w/o a right relationship with the Christ....
I truly understand your pain Brin....
c
Embarrassing situations
Submitted by AdeleS6845 on
When I find myself in embarrassing/uncomfortable discussions with my fiance, whether we are with other people or alone, I walk away. If I am with others (with or without him) and someone makes a comment I will remove myself physically. I say absolutely nothing, turn on my heel and walk away. That makes more of a statement than anything I could possibly say.
And in some of those situations I'm really not thinking about whether that person is a deep thinker, isn't attached or whatever. No one would accept that behavior if it came from me so why should I accept it from others?
There's no excuse for humiliating or embarrassing someone else in front of others, whether that person saying the embarrassing thing has ADHD or not. ( even my abusive ex-husband didn't embarrass me like that in front of other people.)
I agree...
Submitted by c ur self on
I wasn't speaking about the content....Just the actual working of the mind...Walking away from filthy, embarrassing and disrespectful dialog is like you said, the perfect action for sending a right message about what is unacceptable....
c
Alas I am of little use here.
Submitted by Sollertiae on
Alas I am of little use here. I have an identical sense of humour to him, so mostly I laugh and make the joke worse, because the chances are very high that he set the entire thing up for me to appreciate. However, if he is hyperactive/bored and trying to stir me into being offended for the sake of it, it is usually pretty obvious and I roll my eyes and deploy a sarcastic 'sure' so he knows he is caught out.* Then walk away, or maybe get him to do something actually stimulating.
Sometimes, though, I've noticed he can't cope with me complimenting him about something he is insecure about and tries to jokingly undermine the compliment for the next ever ... to which I have been known to play along in the most deadpan fashion until he begs me to stop and realises I was right. He truly regretted the time he tried to prove he was not feminist. Otherwise, I've slowly learned that what appears to be mocking me (my accent, things I do) ... turn out to be things he actually really likes about me even if sometimes I am horrified that I do them. For me it seems to be the most unflattering reflection ever, but they are the things he misses when we are apart and he echoes in a lonely way down the phone. Coz he is strange.
*I let other people call him out, not my job if it isn't about me. He is aware enough when he is being a dick and simply stirring, and when someone does pull him up, he will then try to remember to think twice before engaging mouth or keyboard. Impulse control is something he very much struggles with and that translates into inappropriate joking. I realise I am lucky in the fact that he isn't a bully and won't knowingly humiliate people.
I’m guessing impulse control
Submitted by Brindle on
I’m guessing impulse control is another part of it over here, too. I’m really glad your fella doesn’t purposefully humiliate people. I don’t even know if mine purposefully tries to humiliate people so much as he just wants to be funny without caring about what he says. It seems to be a self-absorption. So if I try to break through that... yeah, doesn’t work very often so far. And if I do, he doesn’t appreciate it.
I think you are right - lack
Submitted by Sollertiae on
I think you are right - lack of impulse control and over commitment to being funny (and therefore feeling more engaging and part of the group) often sound like self absorption, because basically means they are getting no social cues or input outside of their head. Tone deaf and not listening. Breaking through is only going to get a bad reaction because you've either stopped the flow and focus, or shamed him in public. If you aren't enjoying it then... I don't have many suggestions other than removing yourself as best you can so he is embarrassing himself and not you, or simply starting a different conversation with others around so eventually things move on and, it is clear that you don't condone what he is saying, and he is forced to catchup. Neither are great options. Sorry :/
After a lifetime of being humiliated, mine would rather not do that to anyone else I think. That is one reason why I will deal with bigger issues, because of his determination to treat people equally and value them. Not easy to find.