So this is my first time on this website and forum. My husband was diagnosed with ADHD six years ago, after our son was diagnosed. It was good timing because our marriage was at breaking point at the time, but with this new diagnosis came a new understanding and reasons to forgive. However, whilst my husband is now medicated and we are both more aware over time we have allowed things to slip a little, and I guess whilst we came a long way at the time, we still have further to go.
Over recent months, I have been feeling isolated and frustrated and some of the hurts which I thought had healed from years gone by, have surfaced again in my mind, and I have been feeling the urge to flee. Not saying I was ready to act on it, but I recognise the urge. Wanting my own space, quiet calm. I am blessed that my husband travels away twice a year for 8 - 10 weeks, this is indeed a good valve and an opportunity to recharge and the last couple of years, his time away has been just that, but I missed him and longed for him to come home. But this trip, reminded me more of times gone by, when I longed for him to leave and dreaded his return.
I have contemplated my feelings over these past few weeks, and decided, I had to look back to his ADHD diagnosis to re-examine what is most likely at the root of our problems. So I ordered both of Melissa's books. I have Just read part one of " The ADHD Effect on Marriage". I realise that as a couple we have done a lot of the work in this book ourselves already, I no longer nag and he is way way better at controlling his impulses and shouting or being unkind. However, ADHD has become the elephant in the room. Some of my resentments have crept back in and I realise we haven't really had an adult conversation about how ADHD affects us both in an ongoing way, as I have been reluctant to keep referencing his ADHD (although he can happily discuss our 2 children with this diagnosis and discuss it's effects on them, but again as I write this I feel he almost see's it as their weakness, mirroring his own parenting perhaps). I also, realise that the Psychiatrist that I saw back then advised me NOT to pay his bills for him, and NOT to step in and to let him see the consequences of his own actions, as a means to help him. However, this is I think where we have gone wrong. He still doesn't pay any attention to our finances and I still feel frustrated by that.
My husband has recently asked me to help him with some invoicing, this made me angry, here I was back at square one, he still hadn't got himself organised, etc etc... Because the Psych told me not to intervene, I have resisted it and felt like a failure when he has asked me to and I did, saying "this is the last time", but knowing in my heart that this isn't and never will be.
When he returns from his trip this time, I intend to start a dialogue with him about who does what in our relationship and how to communicate with each other, making very sure I am addressing his ADHD and letting him know that I do not see these issues as a failure on his part, but something we need to navigate much better moving forward.
My biggest resentment is that I feel, I have had to adapt my own life and career because he needs me more than others in his life, and has been less able to pick up the strain if I have been focused on other things, feeling he has been controlling on occassion because he almost seemed to sabotage my efforts to progress myself, rather than help me more in other areas. This will be a big one to get over, because I think it likely is true in part. I want to work more in the area of healing ( Reiki, Reflexology etc...) but need to have quiet space to contemplate and meditate in order to be able to work in this way, which I find almost impossible when he is home due to his energy and need for my focus on him. I have to find a way to help him understand the importance of this for me without making him feel I am judging him or controlling him. He insists on working in the house, even though I have at his behest, created an office space for him in a cottage in the grounds of our home, where he also teaches from. But he feels, he needs to be around people to get the "energy" to focus on his work, so he brings it into the house where it spreads from one corner of the table, to the whole table, to the living room etc... This, as trivial as this may sound is the biggest barrier for me, as I come home from work, to another work environment and I have been unable thus far, to find a way of creating a space in which to contemplate and create for myself.
I am looking forward to reading the next part of the book, and indeed reading "The Couples Guide to Thriving with ADHD", I hope I can find the inspiration in there to foster the communication I feel I need and to help him address his ADHD in a better way, he medicates, but he has also been drinking too much of late, self medicating the anxiety that goes along with his ADHD.
Thanks for the opportunity to share, hope this isn't too much of a ramble. I wanted to ask, have many people had success with Couples Counseling? I am reluctant to try it in case we get someone who doesn't believe in ADHD (which I don't believe my Psychiatrist actually did).
Hopeful, BC Canada.
Mirroring
Submitted by triedandtrue on
Regarding your husband's insistence on having others around him while he works, you might find an article on add-dot-org helpful. In case the link (https://add.org/the-body-double/) is removed, the article's title is "The Body Double: A Unique Tool for Getting Things Done," by Linda Anderson.
ADHD people's difficulty with mirroring might be related to their problems developing empathy and accurate self-awareness. Wikipedia has a fairly good article - search under "Mirror neuron".
Russell Barkley has some videos on You Tube of speeches that were broadcast in Canada. They, too, might be useful to you. Note, as an example, his lecture "ADHD is Not a Gift."
Regarding the issue of financial responsibility which you raise: In general, ADHD people's neurological impairment sometimes prevents them from "learning from the natural consequences" of their actions. Artificial consequences work best for these patients, with consequences following at set, usually short, intervals after their actions. With the guidance of a skilled therapist or coach, the ADHD person can eventually learn to handle more things themselves - instead of turning to others (for invoicing, etc.). Gina Pera's book "Is it you, me or adult ADD" has some good info about therapists.
Reducing your professional life is very serious.
I wish you good luck.
Thanks triedandtrue, that
Submitted by Squeeze on
Thanks triedandtrue, that piece on Mirroring was very insightful, and totally what I experience with my husband and both my children with ADHD (I have two children with ADHD and one without). I have read Gina Pera's book and actually just re-ordered it to re-read as I must have loaned it to someone as I cannot find it anywhere.
I guess we both just need to do more work as having a diagnosis and getting meds is obviously not enough on it's own.
Maybe I'll look for therapists again, it's been a few years and awareness has likely increased in that community too. We live on Vancouver Island though so resources are not as abundant.
Thanks again.
Hi Squeeze....It's all about your mental and emotional health..
Submitted by c ur self on
Individualism will always be threatened when we coexist with a person who can't police or monitor themselves....A mind who does this, "Lives Everywhere", usually w/o boundaries...There seems to be no natural ability to honor or respect others feelings or lifestyle choices, that differ from what they are capable of producing.
It seems to me like it's not a choice for this type of a mind, I would say it's more of a blank spot....It's not an intentional act of punishment in my opinion...There just seems to be no regulating ability...No voice inside saying this is bad, this is intrusive, this is disrespectful of my spouse and children....Science calls it mental illness....I hope it is, the alternative would be way worse.
You will have to decide if you can accept it for the reality that it is, overlook it without being an enabler, and still keep your focus on the positive? (Your responsibilities in the relationship) Which is no small task!
If these adults were infants w/ visible birth defects, or a puppy w/ a hurt paw, it would be much easier to accept....It's just so deceiving! Adults can look so strong, and so capable. But, alas, as you have experienced, when a mind is at a level of blindness, that it's ability to monitor what it's producing (it's action) is practically non-existent in many area's of life...Then for another person to place expectations of them, to do what they have no capability to do, will only produce hell's (anxiety and strife) for the one placing the expectations. And insecurities in the one who isn't capable...
Control is Control, no matter how justified we feel in our demands to force change in another's mind (an illusion)....It's still just destroy's Peace and Unity....Acceptance may produce a relationship we would not choose, but, if it's the only way to a peaceful existence?? I have determined after so many years of demanding change and seeing the emotional damage in both lives, I will take it:).....
Good luck w/ acceptance!
C
BC resources
Submitted by triedandtrue on
Squeeze, probably you've already touched base with local social services for therapy, etc., at the Vancouer Island Health Authority (http://www.viha.ca/cyf_rehab/assessment/vican/VICAN+Resources+for+Famili...). But their resources are limited so no doubt you'll be looking beyond them.
If the Canadian ADHD Resource Alliance is too general, maybe CHADD Vancouver (http://www.vcn.bc.ca/chaddvan/) would be better? Particularly if they have a Victoria sub-chapter.
Sometimes universities are helpful, too, and UBC is the largest in terms of neuroscience and psychiatry, as I'm sure you know well. Maybe UBC's public outlets would have lists of therapists, some of whom might be on Vancouver Island:
Psychology Clinic - http://clinic.psych.ubc.ca/
Adult Assessment Clinic - http://ecps.educ.ubc.ca/school-psychology/affiliated-clinics-programs/ad...
Vancouver Program - Though its various outpatient programs might not specifically address ADHD, the neuropsychiatric staff might be able to refer you to those that do -
http://psychiatry.ubc.ca/education-programs/postgraduate-training-progra...
UBC has digitized many scholarly articles. The ones published by local researchers might be used as a source of referrals to B.C. doctors and therapists who specialize in ADHD - https://open.library.ubc.ca/.
I don't know where you live on Vancouver Island but the University of Victoria, though much smaller in scope than UBC, might be of some use.
Thank You For Sharing.....Squeeze
Submitted by kellyj on
And welcome by the way....
What you said here in your own words is so helpful for me to read as just a reminder of things I need to think about....and looking back at my past. I have ADHD and as I suspect with some a little help from people here on this forum as well as our T.....my wife also has ADHD along with many of the qualities that you mentioned here with your husband? I am still learning about all of this more too, but more so....in how to approach someone else who is dealing with discovering just how they make it harder on others without really realizing it? And more than anything else....learning how to recognize what I am seeing so I can at least know what I am up against and what I should do ( or not do maybe even more importantly ?)
Some things I recognize in the things you shared here is what I'm calling....."attached at the hip" behavior and that needing to around other people to get that "energy" you mentioned along with your own resentment. I commend you for paying attention to that part because I think this is the most important ( and telling part ) for you on your end? Remembering back.....I use to do this in my own way...and use statements like your H used to explain why "I needed something?".
As I found in finally getting to the bottom of this myself....it has more to do with being an "extrovert"....compared to the needs of an "introvert" when you put those two together? In part. The other part of this and where I really think the problems come from on your end....is when you've got an "extrovert" who gets energized by being around people ( fundamentally....this is the hallmark right there ) but doesn't realize that not everyone is like this and those who aren't are fundamentally....just the opposite of this? An introvert....fundamentally needs down time and space to be alone....to recover and charge their batteries from being around other people for too long since this has almost the opposite effect for them ie: draining and taking energy away from them with a need to be separate of by themselves for bigger chunks of time to feel like they are operating at their best? This is not something wrong with either person...it's just their fundamental make up and what works best for them? In either case I feel...it is up to each person either "extrovert" or "introvert"...to communicate their needs while at the same time....be aware of their differences with others who my or may not be the same as they are in this area? Simply being aware of this fact...seems to be the biggest challenge at first ( just knowing what you are...and recognizing what the other person is )....which is mainly the problem until you realize this which I for one...had no idea until I found this out? That in itself....is and was the main problem for me and now with my wife as well?
What I really see in my wife ( even though she displays some extroverted qualities ) is that fundamentally...she really is an introvert...but her insecurities and fears are actually driving her to be more extroverted which is actually very self sabotaging to both her and me at the same time? In essence...she wants one thing....but needs another...and they are both in conflict with each other which only makes her unhappy?
The other thing you mentioned is working from home which just throws a whole new extra curve ball into this aspect already. I've done both..and I what I really found out the hard way is....having a home or a safe environment to retreat to and recover from a busy day at work...is really a challenge when you never leave work and work is where you live? The only answer I've found in order to do both....well and successfully...is to have a separate place exactly as you mentioned doing with your H....but now theres this extrovert, introvert, insecurity thing going on working against you?
I'm not going to read in anything more than you said here...but as I remember myself in the past being an extrovert and not realizing how the needs of an introvert are just the opposite of this....I was the intruder or interloper in this case when paired with a more introverted person and really had no idea why or how I was intruding in their space which was the cause of so many problems? And in respect to an introvert ( which I have my own needs there too )...you are less likely to go to a person and tell them....."hey...you're intruding in my space".....while at the same time...they appear to be just fine with the way things are...and are actually "not wanting" to give that to you because the effect this has on them ie: is draining and insecure feeling when not around other people 24/7 which is the source for their creativity? I'm much more introverted now as I am older...but along with that I realize that their was a fair amount of insecurity thrown in there that was driving this even more as I see the same thing with my wife now? She has real issues...being alone at timesn ( abandonment issues )...but then she'll push you away ( irritated as if you're the problem...ie: blaming ) for her own inability to manage the balance here and recognize what she really needs in all of this? Her own failure to recognize this and know herself well enough to realize what she's doing...is really at the heart of this matter more than anything else I think?
If I understand this problem right from the outset....is puts the more introverted person in a position of feeling uncomfortable...but also feeling uncomfortable bringing it up...or having to remind the more extroverted person of this....because they aren't the ones feeling intruded on and therefore...feeling resentful? In fact....they possibly will only feel resentful...IF...they are getting enough people time and the person their with needs to take a break and recover themselves? When ever I think of this personally...I have to remember my own sister. ( I have two ) One is a decided introvert in no uncertain terms....the other one more like me but to an even more extreme...is all extrovert 100%. She can...and without a fair bit of asserting on your part....wear you completely out and even I get drained from being around that energy for too long before I default to being more introverted myself? The thing is....this sister is one of the nicest people you could ever meet and almost without a flaw as far as being considerate and thoughtful and we virtually never run into conflict with each other aside from me having to be pretty insistent with her when I want to stop...and she wants to go? LOL The only problem that this sister really runs into at all...is needing to "go ".....all the time!! LOL (from sun up...to sun down )...it can be pretty exhausting and this is coming from a guy with a strong case of the "H"....in ADHD. lol
So without all the marital potential for conflicts and differences between my sister ( who I suspect is ADHD as well but she has no idea and I would consider as in denial of this fact? ) other people including myself...have to break this news to her many times...that she is wearing you out and draining your batteries...because her batteries are being charged the whole time she is with people...while others are being drained at the same time without any awareness of this fact? It really is very similar to what you are saying as well? How do you break the news to someone ( which in my sisters case )...is not doing this to be disrespectful or inconsiderate....it's just the fact that they are completely unaware of any of this and now you have to tell them? My sister never, ever...gets hostile or angry....but she is extremely sensitive and easy has her feelings hurt? So with her..it's not about avoiding conflict as much as it is.....not hurting her feelings and getting her to understand at the same time? I think for the most part...she does understand this on a cognitive level.....but the level of understanding she really needs most...is to know when it's her ....getting her batteries charged at other peoples expense?
And the quandary or paradox in this much is pretty much like I said? It's the introvert in this case...who's feeling intruded on....but also feels even more intruded or put upon...to have to say anything in the first place? With my sister...the fear is not wanting to hurt her feelings and avoid that which is a touchy thing sometimes? With me now that I know all of this....it neither hurts my feelings or upsets me....because I can see this is not some disorder or something wrong with being either way. Some people are justly that way and it doesn't indicate a need to call it anything more than that. We all fall somewhere on the scale between the two so this is just part of being human...and understanding the differences pretty much?
More than anything now as I think about this.....for me, it's just not a big deal either way and I can earily adjust of do what I need to do as long as it's presented to me in a non-accusatory way and the other person is simply expressing a need of theirs? I realize in using my sister as an example here....why that doesn't work for her and why she ( and others ) run into difficulty?
Literally...if someone were to say "hey...your extroversion is getting on my nerves"....I would neither be angry or upset or take it personally and be hurt? More like "oh.....I'm glad you mentioned it....no problem"....and then I could take it from there? I also realize however....I was not like this before until I learned about all of this and understand it to be just that? It's all it is so it's really nothing to be upset about at this stage of the game?
The real culprit again is insecrity and denial and those are the most challenging part I think and why the resentment on your part? Saying....I feel resentful too....when I relate to my wife my needs in all of this and she throws that back in my face and dismisses my needs in lue of hers with hers always seeming to be more important than mine... which will definitely will make me resentful if I don't talk to her about it...even with her tendency to dismiss me when I do?
I will say...that the more I mention it in passing more as just a reminder to her without making a big deal about it...the more she responds by not getting immediately angry with me...which was why I was so hesitant to saying anything in the first place? It seems the more I just calmly, causally mention it ( repetition ) and not get into any big discussion...the more receptive she is and the more she responds? The only qualifier here as I have found is that YOU ( as in the person of the other side as in me in this case ) have to be on this constantly and consistently and timed just right....until it finally sinks in which can take a lot out of you but is the only thing I found that does any good? If anything...this is what it seems like you are asking for yourself if I'm reading what you said correctly?
J