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  • The greatest gift you can give another is the purity of your attention. by: Dan 15 years 4 months ago

    Hello everyone... came across this quote and I immediately reflected upon my ADHD and its problems upon my marriage.

    "The greatest gift you can give another is the purity of your attention." - Richard Moss

    ADHD, Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, is what I have.  I'm a man with ADHD and going thru a divorce because of it.  My thread is here http://www.adhdmarriage.com/content/find-volunteer-slapper-your-husband-and-reason

    Attention is the greatest gift for anyone to give.   One must simply give attention to a spouse, before a spouse will surely get one's attention with a divorce.   This concept of giving attention sounds so simple, it should be and is for most... but it's the very reason so many ADD/ADHD people and their marriages are doomed from the start.  It's an awful, cursed disorder upon a once happy, loving couple/family.  At first, it doesn't seem fair to have ADHD, but I guess life isn't fair... one can just choose to live with it.... or one can choose to live, learn and make it better for all.    Once knowing that we all already possess the greatest gift, it is so wise to start giving it to those that matter most in our lives.  

     

  • For the Non-ADD Spouse--How Are You Recovering from Misplaced Blame and Bad-Mouthing from Your ADDer? by: BreadBaker 15 years 4 months ago

    My husband was diagnosed with ADD a few months ago, just after our marriage fell apart and we separated. He thinks that a non-ADD specialist therapist and some pills are all he needs to fix his problem, and it's only a "minor" problem at that. So, you could say he's deep in denial. But this isn't exactly rare with ADD husbands, as so many of us know too well.

    As far as the implosion of the marriage is concerned, he sees the ADD as a non-issue, and has pinned everything on me. When I mean "everything" this even includes "things that never happened, "things I didn't do or say," and "things he did but doesn't remember properly, so he assumes I did them." I've also been told that all sorts of really horrible things he did (including physical injuries that occurred due to his inattention) he *didn't* do, and that I'm a liar.

    This is bad enough, but there's one more level of pain that he's added to this situation.

    I've been scapegoated and bad-mouthed by him to his therapist and family (who think he's blameless in everything and give him nothing but positive reinforcement) to the point where the former thinks I'm abusive and the latter stopped speaking to me entirely, based on what he told them. I don't care so much about the therapist, but I used to be close to my in-laws, and this situation has caused me a great deal of pain. It hurts more than I can describe to think that people I love believe I'm a horrible person because they've been handed a fictional account of our marriage. Plus, the reality is that I was the one who was abused, and I went to great lengths of work and sacrifice to try to help my husband and save our marriage (my husband--not so much). So, it's adding insult to injury.

    My own therapist, family, and friends know me very well (better than my husband does--he emotionally "checked out" a while ago), and know this situation for what it is. I've been told over and over that I am not at fault here. I've been assured by a couple of ADD specialists with whom I've spoken that his ADD *was* our marriage problem, and that I shouldn't let his spewing make me question myself. But as many of you probably know all too well, when someone very close to you tells you enough times that you're "bad," it does a real number on your psyche--even when you *know* that you're not doing anything at all to warrant the the label.

    After a few months of wrestling inwardly with the situation, and crying over the in-law family that I've lost, I've given up on my husband. I don't want to be married to this any longer. I'm actually embarrassed that I put up with as much as I did. My health has suffered tremendously because of problems brought on by my husband's condition, and I cry when I think of what I've given up over the years. But what's done is done, and I'm trying to put myself back together, set my boundaries back in place, and move on.

    But how did any of you other non-ADD spouses survive all of this blame and reality warpage? I've been so horribly wounded from being badmouthed and lied about by him, and emotionally abandoned by his family. Did any of you go through the same thing? By this I mean not just getting blamed for every little bad thing in the marriage that you didn't do (and, worse, his ADD *did*), but being abused in absentia to friends, family, and others? It's so much salt in the wound, and I'm having a horrible time healing.

  • ADHD and EQ (Emotional Intelligence/IQ) by: hope09 15 years 4 months ago

    My husband is very selfish, often misreads my actions/words, doesn't ever have empathy or sympathy for other people.  Put it this way...someone dies...he'll laugh.  He also is highly defensive and always looking to argue.  He likes it...I think he's comfortable being angry.  He's very disrespectful to me...not sure why I still stay.  Do people with ADHD have low Emotional IQ? 

    He seems to have difficulty building depth and truth in relationships...he often thinks I'm the enemy.  I'm often told I'm weak, too sensitive...its always something and never calm and miscommunication is at the 90% level.  Even when we try to talk something out, he can't control himself from being angry, mean and blaming me.  No matter how nice I try to speak and all the apologies I utter (to the point I don't even know why I'm sorry)...there is no stepping outside himself. 

    Is there something wrong with my emotions or is it him?  Someone keeps attacking you and its kind of hard not to believe whats said...I'm smarter then that but I can't help but question myself anymore.  I've taken EQ tests and have scored very high...do ADHD people have lower EQ and are they able to improve on it?  Is there any hope for someone that grew up in a pretty unstable, emotionless, abusive environment to ever really feel?  Why does it take extremes to change and why do people with ADHD forget so soon about things that they may have improved on?  

    Maybe I I'm searching for hope that it can get a little bit better.  I'm probably at the lowest point I've ever been...self esteem and confidence crushed.   I know the answers...why am I choosing to suffer and live this life?  I guess no one can answer that myself but I hope I figure it out soon.

  • How much Ritalin can I take? by: ADHD And Boxingman 15 years 4 months ago

    Hello!

    I am 41 years old and comes from Norway..I have been using ritalin for about 4-5 months. I have used 20mg 3 times a day quite sometime but know I have started to use 25 mg 3 times a day by my own choice..I have read that 60mg is the maximum dose. I wounder if 75mg ritalin is dangoures since the maximum dose now are 15mg more?

    I would also like to say hello to everybody on this forum:-)

    ADHD

     

  • ADD + Mood Swings = :( by: thebradyoudontknow 15 years 4 months ago

    My wife and I have been together for about two and a half years. We werent together for very long before we got married, as she had a three year old daughter and I wanted to quickly become her father. Many times she has told me she has ADD and has been on medication for it for many years. I never truly understood what the effect of the ADD was on our marriage.

    We have had many problems in our short marriage and until recently we have been able to get past them, but for the past few months she has had frequent mood swings and many times has become angry for what I see as nothing, and is constantly walking a string of wanting to stay in the marriage and wanting to get away. I don't know what I can do. I am in therapy myself, as is she, and we are in couples counseling. All these things are helpful to an extent, but things seem to be getting worse.

    I dread her coming home at night, I am stressed every minute of the day because I never know how she will be feeling at any given time and what her feelings will lead her to do. One day she will be so incredibly disconnected and not want to talk, the next she might want a lot of comfort and contact, the next day she could be angry at me for something I did, or it could be nothing. And it changes. Its impossible for me to comfortably give her the comfort, contact and intimacy that we both need because I am constantly on edge.

    We did finally have a talk last night and she told me that many times when she is angry or sad or whatever the extreme emotion is, she is not that emotion AT me, but at something else and it just comes out at me. It is impossible for us to relate to each other as all she sees are her feelings and what she perceives and as hard as I try to be patient and understanding and get some grip on what is going on with her, it seems to change so much that its impossible. She freely admits to having ADD and it being fairly serious, but doesn't seem to feel that she is to blame for any of the effect that has on the marriage. What do I do? How can I cope with this? It has been recommended that I give some distance, but knowing that she is walking this line of wanting to leave, or disconnecting, that makes me incredibly nervous. Has anyone else experienced these kind of swings and extreme emotions? Could it be the medications? Thanks.

  • Nearly a Year and a Half Later * Reflections of My Experiences Without ADD Spouse by: up2lisa 15 years 4 months ago

    It has been just over a year since I wrote the posts on this site.  This stie was a god sent when I was going through so very much with my ADD husband.  While I wished for a happy ending, that I did not get… it was a pleasant surprise when I received notice that someone had posted to my long ago writings; just the other day.

     

    It was kind of like, when someone sees you when at your WORSE and then years later sees you at your best.  The contact brought back to me, where I was and I was so very much at my worst.  When I left my husband it was compelled by my fear that I would continue to waste my life.  Sorry to say it so harshly, but that is what it felt like.  11 years of looking after a grown man, only to find out he had a dianisis of ADD and there is a solution to my misery…. ONLY for him to deny it.  I feared, with hypertension, high blood pressure, migraines and stress for days… I could not continue working harder at managing his ADD then I was managing my own health.  His denial, was my lifetime of despair.  So, I left and everything got worse… but because I had been his bedrock for so long and then I was gone.  I watched him crumble, not because I hated him; but because he chose to and I watched him… waiting still for him to change…. Or get a clue and take the medication.  He never did.

     

    So, here I am… a year and a half out of the marriage.  Only 3 months ago my ex asked me if I would reconcile, too much time had passed and honestly… I feel far to healthy to go back and the REALITY is, he is far to much the same.  I printed out for him, the many posts that I had written.  Proof I guess for how much I loved and wanted our relationship to work.  How much I was hurting and to show him… I am not controlling, crazy or too demanding.  I am just like all the other people on this site with a spouse with ADD.  I asked him “why now.”  He said “because I know better.”  And that was it.  So, I said:  “you know what.”  He said, “how to treat a woman.”  AND JUST LIKE THAT, I saw 10 more years flash before my eyes.  Prodding and probing a man to speak his mind, convey to me his process, and define how he will meet his objectives… beyond a flash answer.  NOPE, I saw it right there and my shoulder got tense. 

     

    If he would have said he knows now he needs counseling, knows now that he needs to get back on the medication, knows now that he is not cured from ADD and that prayer is not enough to make it through.  But, he didn’t.  He just said…”because I know now, how to treat a woman.”

     

    It certainly would have been easier to go back.  Easier financially, easier on the kids, easier to explain to my friends and family.  Easier when it is time to walk the dog and shovel the snow.  But, not 10 years easier enough.  I simply found ways to do all these things for myself, which is only HALF a burden when carrying my ADD husband on my back while doing all there was… was far to heavy.

     

    Is this all negative.  No, I hope not.  I love my husband dearly.  I love him for his frailty and the capacity that I have grown to understand is not his choice.  I simply am not in love with him enough to sacrifice myself.  So, when I go over to our family home (I moved out) and see the piles of paper EVERYWHERE and I reschedule the kids missed dental appointments, and I still budget the business finances, and I avoid the creditors for bills he did not pay… I GO TO MY HOUSE and I rest easy.  He is a grown man and he has made his choice… as have I.  I love him as he is an individual perfectly made by Christ.  I still love him dearly as I would a friend whom I have known for 13 years now, just as a friend.

     

    Every relationship has problems, some more than others.  My relationship had many and most were behind his ADD and the denial of it.  It was like being married to a man who could not walk and refuses to use a wheelchair, but who then does not recognize his weight was more than I could continue to bare to carry.

     

    If your spouse is willing to admit and get the treatment needed, you are far better off than I was and you are blessed to be in a relationship of two.

     

    My post name was UP 2 LISA because when I was in my marriage EVERYTHING was up to me.  Then my mantra was it was UP TO LISA because if I wanted to change anything in my life, it was up to me to take control of it... for myself.    I guess in that sense I was controlling from my husband's perspective, because I couldn't control him... any more than he could.  I took control of myself and I am better off for it.

     

    Lisa

     

  • first stressless vacation in 20 years! by: arwen 15 years 4 months ago

    For the last 20 years, vacations with my ADD husband have been a nightmare.  I've sworn several times that I would never take a vacation with him again.  We tried taking separate vacations, overlapping vacations, and mini-vacations in order to try to finesse this problem, but none of these were very satisfactory for various reasons.  There are a lot of things we like about vacationing together, so we'd try again to make it work.

    Several things that we've implemented in the last several years contributed to the success of this most recent vacation.

    • We've been going to the same two places each year, so we are able to establish a certain amount of familiarity with the location, lodgings, etc. -- i.e. creating a certain degree of routine and structure
    • We try not to pack the vacation full of activities -- allow enough time flexibility in the holiday so there are few, if any, time pressures -- some days are for just vegetating!
    • My husband uses his PDA to note problems that arise on vacation -- he reviews these before and during our vacation so that he is more aware of these potential problems and can work to avoid repeating them
    • Our kids are grown and so aren't with us throughout the vacation.  They sometimes join us for a couple of days, but we are not having to constantly also deal with their issues -- thus fewer demands on my husband's attention
    • We make checklists for packing, for pre-vacation preparation, for end-of-vacation departure planning.  In some cases my husband makes a list himself and then I review it for completeness, in other cases we plan together.
    • When considering activities, I come up with a "straw man" proposal, we discuss, maybe do additional investigation, and then decide how we want to proceed (i.e. if we want to do it, when and how).  My husband has a lot of trouble initiating things, and I enjoy putting the draft plan together, so this works well for us.
    • My husband changed somewhat how he addresses my proposals.  A lot of times he doesn't care one way or the other about them.  When he would say so, I'd ask him what he *would* like.  Then he'd spend a lot of time considering, and often came up with answers that weren't inherently workable -- he'd end up disappointed, and felt like he'd put in a lot of mental effort for nothing.  Now instead if he doesn't care, he just goes along with my proposal, and he finds he enjoys himself at least that much that way, without all the expenditure of the mental effort and the subsequent frustration.

    We've implemented these steps over a period of several years, and the vacations have gradually gotten better, but there have still been problems.  This year we didn't have a problem until the last 24 hours -- but since we'd had the same problem in the past, I was anticipating the possibility and was prepared to deal with it, so I wasn't stressed by it (and I think we've now dealt with it in a way that will keep it from recurring in the future).

    I love the two places we've been vacationing year after year, but I must admit I've been longing to go to a couple of new spots as well -- but I'd been dreading it as well.  Now that we've figured out many of the issues my husband's ADD generates in vacation situations, I'm hoping that we can manage a trip to a new location in the near future.  Even if that ends up not working out, I'm tickled pink that we've found ways to make our standard vacations stressless!

     

     

  • Courage to communicate by: gekkedwaas 15 years 4 months ago

    My partner and I have been together for over 12 years and she's been officially diagnosed with ADD for about 8 of those.  What I want to find out from others is how you've found the courage to confront your ADD partner about the damage that's been done in the relationship and move to a place where you can go forward.

    I've just about come to the end of my rope.  I love my partner, but I don't know that I like her all that much anymore.  I've run out of emotional energy.  I'm tired of trying to best the secret challenges set before me.  I never know from day to day what "thing" I've missed that will make her angry/upset/disappointed with me.  I'm just supposed to figure out what piece of information she's left out or thought she's already communicated.

    How do you find the fortitude to tell someone that you don't want to have sex with them because they are driving you mad?  How do you talk to them about all the resentments that have built up over years of frustration and twisted conversations?

    She's on meds, but still turns things around somehow to make it my fault or makes me feel guilty for bringing her ADD into the situation.

    How do you get through to them?  I've tried talking to her before, but get nowhere.  We've tried traditional couples therapy, but I think most of you know where that goes, same place I got on my own - nowhere.

    Right now, I'm pretty much persona non grata because I don't want to have sex.  I don't have the energy or inclination to get that emotionally involved with someone who may very well bite my head off the next morning or who won't respond to my touch until I "prove" that I intend to see it through to the end.

    Unlike some who have shared this site with their partners, I cannot.  She thinks most of my research into ADD means that I'm trying to pin blame on her for all our relationship ills, rather than to seek a means of helping us grow back together.

    I don't want to leave yet, but I don't want to end up in a living hell, well a worse one anyway. Any suggestions on how to handle confrontation?

  • should i stay or go? is there hope? by: stillwater 15 years 4 months ago

    hi everyone,

    first of all i want to say that english is not my first language so forgive me if there will be some errors. this would be quite a long post so please bear with me.

    i stumbled upon this site because i just recently thought that my boyfriend might have ADD/ADHD. my boyfriend said his sister was diagnosed with ADD when she's a kid. we've been having issues lately about communication so i approached a friend and talked to her about my problems. she mentioned that the same thing has been happening with her sister who's in a pseudo-relationship with a guy who has been diagnosed with it.

    just a brief background, we are an interracial couple; he is an american sailor and i am a filipino IT engineer. we met in japan through a friend. first year of our relationship was fine. he's a sweet, caring guy but i really find him tactless or rude sometimes. we didn't have any major problem only until i had problems with my previous job. my employer was forcing me to resign and because of that, i was unable to spend time with him doing our regular thing. he expected that everytime he comes to my place, i would drop my problems and attend to his needs. there were times that he just avoided coming to my place, but i begged him to come because i just want him to listen. i felt so alone and i thought it was selfish of him to leave me like that in times of need but i was there for him everytime he needs me. because of that, i thought i shouldn't put up with his attitude and tell him what i want in a relationship.

    he only started to see me again on a regular basis when he saw that i've been able to put my life back together without his help. reason i felt the hurdles in my life too was because he'd been staying at my place in a daily basis and bills grew bigger during his stay. as i do not want him to think i'm using him for his money, i politely asked if he could just visit me like before -- every weekend. he took offense and said he wants to see me sometimes. so i asked him if he could pay me the excess of the bills i usually account for myself. but he always expects me to pay for his food and the things in my place he wanted me to buy for his convenience. needless to say, i've been struggling with the finances. but ever since i got a new job, i told him that i need to save money for myself so we would have to go dutch.

    we've been okay again until he switched departments in his job. he moved to customer service and moved out in town to live on his own. it put a lot of stress on him and a hole in our relationship.

    one major incident was, he asked me to shop for furniture one time for his place. i can speak japanese so he thinks it would be easier if i am around. there was a sofa on sale but it's asian style so he didn't like it. i was telling him the benefits of buying the sofa now rather than buy something else later which would be a lot expensive. he got angry and demanded me to pay half of the sofa and stuffs he bought for his place. i told him he just asked me for help, i didn't want to spend my money and i am not living with him so i don't see the point of giving my share. plus, it wasn't my idea to move out. we got in a heated argument in the department store. he was raising his voice so i raised my voice. he said i was putting him on the spot. i walked out of the department store to go back to his place and get my things. i told him i am not going to help him anymore with that attitude.

    i was really furious that time because i cannot believe what he said. while we're walking i told him that i've never asked him for anything more when i was having problems of my own. he said i scarred him when i had my problem. i can't believe why he felt scarred when it was me who felt pain when he left me alone. i moved quickly and he just kept on walking like a kid, not realizing what he did wrong. when we came to his place, i got all my stuffs. he stopped me and said we would talk but i was too angry so i slapped him hard. i thought he would be angry but he said, "what have i done to you to be that mad?"

    i cannot believe he didn't know! i was crying and prepared myself for the worse. i told him i cannot take it anymore. everytime we go out shopping, i have to make sure he's not angry or moody, pissed or whatever because he'd be angry at me. it doesn't help if i approach him nicely. he'd be rude no matter what. he didn't want me to leave so he hugged me tightly, almost suffocating. he begged me not to leave him and he said he would fix it. i told him, he cannot blame me for my problems that i did not ask for in the first place. it was not my fault. i pointed out he's being selfish because he disregarded what i feel and expected me to bend backwards for him. i gave him another chance.

    here are the list of things he usually does that led me to think he might have one

    - he forgets birthdays, special occasions and appointments

    - he's always late and breaks his promises; for example he promised to come to my place, he would let me know the last minute to cancel our date. it is frustrating because i adjust my schedule for him even if i have to do something important

    - he's never late for work but he's quite OC whenever he sets his cellphone alarm; he wants me to set a backup alarm, and he checks his for 10 minutes to make sure he had set it right.

    - he's forgetful. we always fight about him forgetting something he mentioned to me. when i tell him, "this is what you said." he would argue and stick to his word. i seriously keep track of his emails to me just to prove him wrong. i have no proof when it's verbal.

    - he cannot remember small details, even shopping for a simple grocery list. one time he said he bought pasta and sloppy joe's and i should make it. when i got home, there's no meat, no buns and even plates! i can't rely on him to do the grocery while i'm still at work because he'd always miss out an ingredient or buy a different one.

    - he always imagine we are having an argument in his head. when he thinks i would get angry, he would become defensive. he knows i hate it when he leaves early on sunday. so he assumed i will get mad. he woke up early, bought the grocery and did not wait for me to decide what to eat anymore. when he came back he's mad at me for no reason.

    i'm not sure what to do and if i still should continue with this. he's really sweet but when he's moody, he gets really moody. i opened up to him and asked him if he thinks he has ADD/ADHD. he said he thought about it because he cannot think straight, he hates school and he hates dealing with customers at work. there are times he wanted to talk back to the customers but he knows he can't because of his job. it's a bit scary for me, because he thinks i'm a pyscho and i would kill him in his sleep because of my frustration on him. i tried to breakup with him a lot of times, he always say that he would fix it. he doesn't want to get married anytime soon, and he hates kids which are really giving me more reason to leave. however he tells me, he would eventually marry me but not now.

    i usually know what to do, but with him, it seems like there's no escape.

  • I am so Thankful this Thanksgiving..... by: ajr 15 years 4 months ago

    While I have always been thankful for my  life, my husband, three wonderful kids, home and friends, this Thanksgiving is different...My ADD husband came upstairs to tell me he fixed our dining room chair which needed  its legs glued to be usable again.  The chair been in the basement for 4 years, just waiting for this moment....My husband and I  laughed and celebrated together today..over a simple newly glued chair.... The chair is just a symbol of a renewed direction for our marriage and an ADD victory. The glued on this chair is analogous to  a new "cement" in our relationship.

    I admittedly havent been on the posts for the last 2 months....Ive felt all the despair many of you have with an ADD spouse. Ive had 20 +years of it...The pain, the loneliness, the agony of try and trying and getting nowhere on broken promises, just trying to be thankful but never truly happy....My husbands defensiveness was legendary and we never were able to reach great heights in out marriage as it was surrounded by low feelings of esteem over ADD, frustration of not knowing how to deal with it, and never moving forward....Together with my anger & frustration, our relationship was a cess pool of negativity...Two boats floating aimlessly in the water, never really rowing collectively in  a positive direction but more like flailing in a "Perfect storm" just trying to keep out heads above water....  Yes my husband tried, and tried, and tried, and failed and failed and was never able to move forward on things..He keeps jobs, is a good dad, but no lifes direction, goals or plans....Just floating.....Many times we  were so close to calling it quits....so close...Its amazing we are here today..together....Our kids suffered was well, seeing us argue and deal so ineffectively with each other...

    The turning point in our "ADD Storm" was when my husband went to try  a CHADD meeting  in August and I think gave himself "permission" to realize that there were so many other people like him, with the same ADD issues...Something happened with him going to those meetings.....He started responding to me differently....on a wide variety of levels...He started taking responsiblity for his actions and responses.

    For the last three months our relationship has been very different.... His defensiveness has subsided to 10 % of the time, where before it was 90%....I believe he has a new awareness of his ADD and how to deal with it....I definitely see new coping strategies and he  has learned to communicate  with me how he needs to hear information, process itm and when he is "overloaded"....This is HUGE...Its as if a "Veil of Defensiveness" has been lifted....

    Im still in some disbelief, but its stuck for the last 3 months, where before, change would last maybe 10 days max after a big argument, and we'd go right back to the same nasty behavior....

    I give hy husband ALL the credit....His defensiveness subsided and I respond differently to him.....I now LIKE being around him....rather than just tolerate him....We actually have conversations about things we never could before...There are more I love you's,Thank you's, I appreciate what you do for me...now than ever before.... When previously I couldnt get those words out of my mouth...because I didnt feel it....Our sex life has a new emotional connection and is spectacular.....It was just ok before, but now connected at a new level....Tenderness, affection and playfulness are at new heights for us in our everyday lives...

    Yes, my husband still has a cluttered garage...Papers stacked high in his dresser, and he still doesnt get all those projects fixed....but Im able to deal with those issues because we can discuss them and joke about them with out the defensiveness.. Small steps are our victory.....Ive gotten my husband a person back....I never would have believed we'd see these days....

    I see more hope  for our future on the horizon.....I know that if I unexpectedly died tomorrow, I would go happy, realizing that our relationship actually got to a level we havent seen in the last 20 years...No not perfection.....but just a nice comfortable place that we can understand his ADD, and learn to  manage it  together to a degree, and keep our family and marraige whole....We are truly counting our blessings this Thanksgiving ..I love you very much B....

     

    AJR

     

     

     

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