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  • Crazy Making Morning by: irrelephant 11 years 2 months ago

    A little bit of back story, I'll try to be brief... DH and I separated at the beginning of this month, by my request. I told him a minimum of 6 months, that we neede this time to figure things out before making any big decisions. Because of the car situation (see the other thread I made) we are still working out the logistics of things and he has had to take my car some days for work, which leaves me without transportation for my 4 kids and I.

    Last nite he came over after work to read with our oldest daughter before bed, then told me he was going to tow his truck that night to where he's staying. It was past 10pm and pouring rain, but I didn't say a word. He tried to get ahold of my brother to help him, but that didn't work out, so he said he would be towing it this morning at 9. He was out in the carport until 2 am doing stuff (who knows what?!), then came in and told me he was going to sleep on the couch and get up in the AM to tow the truck. This morning comes around, it gets to be 9, 10, 11, 12, he's still asleep on the couch, snoring away. He has to be at work at 2, so I knew that at this point it wasn't going to happen. I woke him up and asked him if he would please go, as it was obvious he wasn't going to be towing the truck today, and that it was making me angry having to have everyone work around him and tiptoe thru the living room so as to not disturb his sleep.

    He gets up in a huff, saying I'm on a power trip, etc etc. He starts to gather his stuff, then comes into the room where I am and announces that he is taking the car today, and will bring it back before he goes to work. I said that I needed to run to the grocery store before that and would be right back. He said NO, that I was (again) pulling a power trip, that he was leaving RIGHT NOW, and walked out and took the car.

    I sat down and thought about the situation and why I continue to allow him to have the rights/benefits of certain relationship dynamics, without having the responsibilities that come with those rights. I'm in the process of re-establishing boundaries, and every time I try to do that, he seems to throw fits and I have to push them back even more. I wrote up this to give to him when he dropped the car off before work.

     

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    Since you refuse to talk to me and continue to walk away, I have no choice but to communicate my feelings to you this way.


    This is the 2nd day in a row that you have been here, caused chaos, and then left. The whole point of this separation is to avoid these situations and stop the cycle of damage it does.  I am trying to get into a healthy emotional state so that I can take care of the kids and I, and every time these situations come up, I am knocked back a few steps in the process. 


    I am having a hard enough time dealing with my own stress level, anxiety and emotional state to add on the turmoil that results every time these situations happen.  I refuse to allow these situations to continue to happen, where I have no control, recourse, or way to address what is coming up.


    The only way I can see to totally avoid these situations is to limit and structure the interaction that we have and thus avoid the possibility for conflict.


    These are my thoughts/needs:
    - You need to get your truck towed by Monday. If you can’t/won’t, I can get it done, in  which case you will need to move all of the tools/etc in the carport so that it can be moved


    - I am not willing to be without a vehicle when I have the kids. I will figure out my own transportation on your weekends when you have them, but you will have to either get your truck fixed or figure out how to get to/from work without taking the car


    - Your debit card will be here within 7 days, as soon as it arrives I will cancel the other card. You need to let me know how much $$ you need on there for the rest of the month and I will transfer it over. After this month, I will put the agreed upon amount in each paycheck.


    - I need to know if you will be here Monday after work or what time on Tuesday morning you will be here for your weekend, so that I can plan accordingly. I will be at the house at 12 on Thursday morning.


    - On your weekends I won’t be available to watch the kids. If you need to go to appointments/etc, you will need to find someone to watch them. I will not expect/ask you to watch the kids during the week, and will figure out my own arrangements during that time.


    - The girls need to be to school on time on your weekends.


    - I am creating a schedule for the kids and I, and will go over it with you this weekend.  If you have input on how that needs to be structured for when you’re here, let me know.  In order to keep their schedule/routines stable, I’ll need your agreement to stick to the schedule and hold the kids responsible for their tasks/etc.


    - If you are going to be doing your weekends here (and at the new house when we move), there will need to be an agreement on the state of the house before and after your weekends. I will not clean up 3 days worth of mess after each of your weekends.  I can get a list of basic things that need to be done daily, if you need.


    - If you want to have input in the bill paying/money process, we will need to decide on a time to meet and do that, otherwise I will assume you are fine with whatever I decide.
    - Until we are in a place where disagreements don’t lead to an escalation, we need to minimize contact between us. I need to know which nights you would like to be here to read with Lilly, and/or any other time besides your weekends that you will be coming over. 


    If you want to figure out some of the logistics of this stuff together, let me know, otherwise I will assume that you’re okay with whatever I figure out for the schedule/etc. If you have a problem, question, input, whatever on any of this, let me know, otherwise I’ll assume that you’re in agreement and we will go with this plan.

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    I wanted to say much much more, but I know it wasn't constructive, so I printed it out and left it by his cell phone. He got back and came huffing thru the house, found the note and read it, then crumpled it up and threw it in the trash, saying, "You never were any good at writing" (What the heck does that mean anyway???, I'm assuming it was an attempt at an insult??)

    He proceeded to storm thru the house, I asked him once as he walked by if he was in agreement with what I had said, he laughed and mumbled something about me not getting to hold all the cards. He then said that he WAS taking the car to work, that he didn't have a ride otherwise. I said that's not my problem, he proceeded to argue and basically said screw you, I'm taking the car. At this point I accepted the fact that unless I really wanted to escalate things to a huge level, I would have to let him take the car today. I said that I'm assuming he's in agreement  with me about everything, unless he lets me know otherwise and would he be brining the car back tonite. He said nothing, then left the house.

    I am so tempted to get a ride out to his work and take the car, leaving him to find a ride home, but he is a totally reactive person, and will BLOW UP if that happens and it will get ugly, I'm sure. I am going to get the note and give it back to him tonite and reiterate that unless I hear from him otherwise, I am assuming that he's okay with everything I said.

    I've gotten to a point that I think the only way to deal with him right now is to minimize and remove any and all situations where he has the power to disrupt my day/emotions. I am an emotional wreck every time we go thru these dramas, and it leaves me unable to cope with things, which is not acceptable, as I have 4 kids that need my attention. I have been trying to be accomodating and allowing him to come back to the house to get things, see the kids, helping out if he needs to use the car, etc, but I think that's just more of my old pattern of enabling him and not allowing him to feel the weight of his choices and deal with the consequences without rescuing him.

    I am half determined and half terrified at this point. Determined to fix myself so that my kids have at least one stable parent that will not allow their world to be in constant chaos, and terrified that, in the end, he really won't fix anything, and will choose to allow his ADHD/etc to override everything else and destroy our family. He has multiple people willing to help and support him in any way he needs, but if he doesn't reach out he will just continue to sink. I think I've finally realized, though, that I don't have to let myself and my kids sink along with him. I can't make him save himself, but I can choose to not drown with him.

    Thank you for reading this far if you have made it through. I just needed a safe place to express these thoughts so I can move on with the day.

  • Self-Esteem is sure a conundrum by: I'm So Exhausted 11 years 2 months ago

    I had such high hopes, yet it appears he would rather be alone with his ADHD wired brain than admit it is causing problems for our relationship. Now that I got that firmly planted in my brain. . . . I must go forward.  The reality I have come to understand in the past few months - I gotta find a way to allow myself to get past my anger and mourn this fact: I am disappointed he did not choose me.  

  • 10 years of marriage, feeling lonely and confused by: lonelyandconfused 11 years 2 months ago

    I was born in India, and now I am in US (I thank God everyday for that), my parents decided to arrange a marriage for me with my current husband. I am (or at least I must say at this point, I was) an independent and brave person. At the time of getting married I was not aware of "adhd" and that my husband is adhd. His family was weird - his father was bossy and verbally abusive to me, so was his mother, sister and brother; and they all claimed to be "traditional". After a month into my marriage, I was upset, emotionally shattered inside, and crying all the time.I called my parents, and  explained everything. My parents were willing to start the divource proceedings, but my husband literally begged them to offer him another chance. Being soft at heart, me and my parents agreed to his request, and offered a chance to my husband. God now I wish I should not have done that. After that we came to US (thankfully) and verbal abuse got worse. Since I was under a dependent visa, I can't work, and he is the single source of income. My self esteem, confidence, intrinsic motivation, self respect, my WILL, everything was brought down single handedly by my spouse's constant demotivation, negative attitude towards everything, and most of all sarcasm and "I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO IT". Also we are having 10 years of sexless marriage - I asked him straightforward once: are you planning to have sex with me at all? he always throw tantrums or stares at his electronics long enough to change the subject. I feel lonely, hopeless, and I don't have courage to leave him. I am confused. I don't know whether to divource him or not - I don't know whether I love him, care for him, or just feel sorry for him. He says he is changing, but he never follows through with anything. I can't possibly share this with anyone, as no one could possibly under the situation. Hence I find this forum comforting and soothing. Anyone has any suggestion or thoughts....please help me. I need to bring my confidence and courage and self esteem up... and it is very hard.

  • Divorce is going to be final next month; looking for hope for reconciliation. by: competentfake 11 years 2 months ago

    Greetings.  

    I have ADHD.  I was diagnosed very early, and it pretty much screwed any chance at a wholesome family dynamic; everything got twisted, and I know now that as a result, my emotional dependency needs were insufficiently met, which left me filled with shame, anger, pain, resentment, contempt, and more shame.  By the time I was 25 I had accumulated layers and layers of defense mechanisms built to ward off anyone trying to hassle me, and I spent my days playing video games, moving back home when life got too hard, and generally aiming for contentment and relief over genuine happiness in the firm belief that it was the absolute best I could hope for.

    Then I met an amazing girl who I fell madly in love with, things went well, and we got married.  She didn't care that I was mostly unemployed, because she had a very good job, and I took care of her emotional well-being, which had been severely traumatized by a childhood spent in a pentecostal cult and a five-year stilted relationship with a controlling asshole.  

    Our relationship thrived because we so completely filled in each others' gaps, or as Jackson Browne so beautifully put it, "We filled in the missing colors in each others' paint-by-number dreams."

    There were ups and downs, but we were solid.  We made our friends sick by how in love we were.  

    Then, in the spring of 2011, my wife became pregnant, and since my wife was the breadwinner, it fell to me to be the 'stay-at-home dad' (I hate that term, nobody ever talks about stay-at-home moms).  As the reality of the situation sank in, I started to panic.

    I've never been functional enough to hold a job down more than six months.  I was barely able to keep the house from becoming a disaster area, so how could I take it on 'faith' that I would have it in me to care for a baby?!  It was time to fix my life (though, as it turned out, taking care of the baby was something that was seemingly built-in.  I never felt heavy about changing a diaper, but I still had trouble doing stuff for my wife.  That pissed her off to no end).  

    I got a therapist and a psychiatrist, started taking meds again, and it started off well.  My therapist helped me work through a lot of the emotional baggage I was carrying around with me from my troubled childhood, and I improved my relationship with my parents, which was amazing.  Getting through that took about four months, give or take.

    At this point, looking back, I have surmised that every day that brought the due date nearer brought my wife closer to what was (to her) an awful truth:  The best person to be the primary caregiver for her baby was her, but it wasn't going to be her, it was going to be her amiable stumblebum husband.  That's not how it should be!!  Sure, I was trying to get my act together, but what guarantee was there?  Slowly, a white-hot resentment began to form beneath her consciousness (her mother is the queen of denial, and my wife has inherited the unfortunate habit of pretending things are other than they are without really realizing it until a crisis is looming).  

    I was, of course, COMPLETELY OBLIVIOUS to this.  I'm sure there were warning signs that she was distancing herself, but I was digging deeper and deeper into my own head, trying to find some sense of clarity that would allow me to get past the stumbling blocks I had always struggled with, and this had the unfortunate side effect of shifting my focus away from 'us', and onto 'me'.  Months later, my wife's favorite line to stick me with was, "It's not all about YOU!"  Bleh.

    Unfortunately, once my therapist had helped me deal with my emotional problems, and the focus shifted to helping me become functional, she wasn't effective.  At all.  As Dr. Russell Barkley said in a lecture on ADHD (paraphrased), "Conventional psychotherapy doesn't work!  Once they leave your office, whatever you told them to do is gone!"  I remained oblivious, going further and further down the rabbit hole of introspection, while my wife distanced herself emotionally.  We began to fight, and the weekly therapy went on for another year, with very little return for the investment.

    After our son was born, the fighting worsened, and she began to lean on me, hard.  She made it clear that she believed that I was capable of being functional, I just didn't want to try, didn't want to do the 'hard work', didn't care enough, blah blah blah.  So our fights became about either her being pissed that her needs weren't being met, or me trying to convince her that she was wrong about what I was capable of, that personal growth on the scale of what I was attempting was difficult, and time consuming, blah blah blah.  And all the while, that knot of resentment and anger that she was denied the opportunity to care for her baby grew and grew.

    For my part, looking back I realize that the only effect the therapy had was to help me shove my head firmly up my own ass.  Being severely ADHD, I had very little control over my reactions to her barbs, and my defense mechanisms were working overtime, but they were really working against me, because my defense mechanisms aren't interested in my thoughts or my desires.  They are only interested in deflecting blame, manipulating conversations, throwing up smokescreens, applying liberal amounts of repression and denial, and displacing my inner frustration onto external targets (of which there was exactly one).  For the year and a half that our marriage slowly ground to a halt, I think it's fair to say that I spent fourteen months of that time not knowing what the problem was, being ruled by my unconscious defenses, and trying to pull my head out of my ass.  I also think it's fair to say that the constant bickering and fighting was a constant distraction, more noise in my head, making it harder for me to focus on self-improvement.

    For my wife's part, and this is cobbled together from things she said and things I keenly suspect, her contribution to the downfall of our marriage was thus:

    1.  She was absolutely positively certain that I had been sandbagging for our entire marriage, that I could do so much more but didn't want to, and she would not be convinced otherwise, no matter how many times I carefully explained what I thought she already knew about ADHD.  She would say things like, "Why can't you be more considerate?" which made me want to tear my hair out in frustration.  All the emotional baggage from my family that I dumped in therapy I gained back during the last year of my marriage.  But no matter what I said, she could always stop me cold by saying something to the effect of, "you're all words and no action, it's actions that matter."  I had no actions, and my defenses were working overtime to drown her in words.  She was wrong, dead wrong, but my wife is one of those 'black or white, all or nothing' people, and she would not be moved.

    2.  I think her certainty that I was sandbagging stemmed largely from the resentment and anger and hurt feelings she built up and repressed over me being the primary caregiver instead of her.  She had a clear picture of what life 'should' be like, and it was inordinately unfair and crass of me to force her into such a position.  I think in her mind it became not 'why can't you improve?', but rather 'you are my husband, so you SHOULD be functional, you SHOULD be supporting us financially, you SHOULD have a better handle on your ADHD than you do, therefore YOU AREN'T TRYING HARD ENOUGH, YOU DON'T WANT IT ENOUGH, blah blah blah.  If her go-to catchphrase was 'it's not all about YOU', mine became, "I don't know from 'should'.  I deal in what 'is'."  All those negative emotions mixed together and suppressed turned toxic, and poisoned her image of who I was.  That's what makes sense to me.

    3.  My wife is an accountant, and so her ire was greatly increased at the thought of all the money she'd doled out for therapy with nothing to show for it.  After I realized what was going on and quit going to therapy, she was completely burned on therapy of any stripe, so even when I found a kind of therapy that I knew would be effective, she refused to throw good money after bad.  I didn't know what I was doing.  Let that be engraved upon my tombstone.

    4.  It took me a VERY LONG TIME to come to terms with the 'maternal instinct'.  She would say some damn fool thing like, "be sure you use a different sponge to clean off the bottles than you do to clean off the regular dishes," which might make sense if I didn't also zap everything in the microwave for ten minutes in a steam bath, which would kill anything that might have been clinging to the sponge, so I protested.  She would not be moved, and repeated her instructions, which made me crazy because it didn't make a damn bit of sense, so we'd have a fight.  There were lots of little things like that, that anyone could plainly see were just asinine, but my wife would break down and cry and make me feel bad for her not getting to care for her baby during the day, so I'd grumblingly do it (forgetting when I knew she wouldn't know).  I know that my constant backbiting in the face of these NECESSARY things increased her resentment.  "Not only is this jackass responsible for my not being able to raise my own baby, but he's refusing to do it the right way (that being the way I would do it, of course)."

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    Just for the edification of any guy out there who doesn't yet have kids:  the 'maternal instinct' is a little red light buried deep inside the mother's nervous system, and when it detects a 'risk' to the baby, the red light goes on, and screams AAAAAAHHHH, YOUR BABY IS IN TERRIBLE DANGER!!!  After that red light goes on, guys, it will not go off again until the 'threat' is addressed, no matter how stupid or pointless it seems to you, and until that light goes off again, you will have no peace.  Your usual ADHD knee-jerk response of, "What?  I will not, that's stupid and pointless!" will get you nothing but an enraged mama bear leaning on your windpipe.
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    5.(I'll get into this towards the end, just letting you know there's a fifth item.)

    So, where was I?  Oh yes.  As I said, I didn't figure out what the problem was until it was far too late.  The problem (on my end) was my defense mechanisms, which are sort of like the maternal instinct in that when they detect a possible source of anxiety, they act immediately, automatically, and unconsciously to get rid of the source of the anxiety (someone making you feel ashamed, trying to get you to do stuff when you just can't, someone repeatedly interrupting your focus, etc.).  By the time I was starting to become aware of when they were triggering, I was still helpless to stop myself from acting.  As someone put it on another forum, 'it was like watching the slow-motion car crash of my life'.  

    I would promise myself that I wasn't going to talk to her anymore on a given night, and five minutes later, there was something I just couldn't live without saying to her.  And it was usually a load of bullshit, but it was coming out of my mouth, and only when I'd look back and think about what I'd said did I realize hey, that was manipulative.  I'd go back and say, "Hey, I'm sorry for that shit I just said, I didn't mean it," but my credibility was shot by that point, and taking back the words can't take back the emotions they engender.

    So she left.  She did it matter-of-factly, and set her plans in motion as if she'd had them already prepared.  She was gone two weeks later, leaving me alone, in our apartment, with the majority of our stuff, bills paid through the end of the month, and a $30 a week allowance to help me get on my feet.  I sank into a black depression, and didn't rouse from it for two weeks, most likely because I couldn't afford my exhorbitantly-priced meds, and my wife steadfastly refused to pay for them.

    I couldn't make myself find work.  I tried as hard as I could to best my old enemy, 'job hunting', but he wore me down with heaviness and the compulsion to find distraction, and I was stuck, with no marketable skills and a five-year gap on my resume.  The end of the month arrived, and there was no escaping the inevitable:  I moved back home.  There was no place else for me to go.  My folks were pissed (even now, they have a better relationship with my soon-to-be ex wife than they do with me), but what could they do?  The real bitch of the situation was that now I live 360 miles away from my little boy, who I cared for every day for a year and a half.  I see him three or four times a week on video chat, and he gets the odd weekend vacation at my place, but it's a damn far cry from how it used to be, and I know that has to be stressing him out, and probably hurting his development.

    For a long time, I was so angry with her.  How dare she excise me from her life and consign me to this fate (she maintains that I could have found work and stayed near my son, if I had wanted to enough.  RAGERAGERAGE).  Ever seen 'Saved'?  "So everything that doesn't fit into some stupid idea of what life should be like you just try to ignore (denial) or fix (pressuring me to live up to her expectations) or get rid of?"  So now she has her perfect life, her perfect baby, and her perfect clean apartment, and everything in her life that was messy or inconvenient is just gone.  Must be nice to just give up on your marriage, and since you hold all the cards, you get to have it all your way!  I was so angry.

    But now I have some clarity.  Since I've moved back home, I have worked hard to better myself and continue down the path of personal growth I set for myself initially, and its amazing what you can accomplish when no one is constantly telling you that you are 'capable of more than you give yourself credit for', whatever that is supposed to mean (it seems vaguely insulting to me).  I am much more functional now, and more importantly, I am slowly becoming the master of my unconscious mind.  Disarming my entrenched defense mechanisms is not pleasant, but I lean into the pain.  It's worth it to not constantly mouth off without thinking.  I don't leave messes around the house, I do housework and cook, and I am much better about keeping my commitments and my promises.  I've taken my grandmother to her hair appointment and picked her up on time seven weeks running (HUGE accomplishment for me- time was I would have been totally incapable of such a feat).  I am confident that I am now able to meet most of my wife's needs that I was not meeting before, due to constantly running back and forth from trying to fix myself to trying to fix my relationship (youc an't do both at once, it will make you crazy, don't try).

    Which brings me to point number 5 from before.  This last piece of information I learned from a class I had to take called 'Helping Children Cope with Divorce'.  It concerns the nature of love.

    Love is an extension of what psychologists call the 'Arousal-Relaxation Cycle'.  It goes like this:

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    "Husband dear, would you please fix dinner tonight, my dawgs are barking!"  (A NEED is expressed)
    The husband hears his wife's need, and he immediately responds to the need (because he loves her, he will do his utmost to meet every need she expresses).  "I'd be happy to."  (The NEED provokes AROUSAL (not that kind))
    The husband starts working in the kitchen, and a delicious smell wafts into the living room.  (The AROUSAL produces the motivation to see that the NEED is MET)
     The wife smiles to herself.  One less thing to worry about!  (Now that the NEED is MET, she who expressed the NEED experiences a sense of RELAXATION)

    Any break in the cycle causes she who expressed the need to suffer anxiety.  If the husband doesn't hear her, or doesn't respond, then her NEED did not produce the desired AROUSAL, and the cycle is broken.  If the husband for some reason refuses to MEET the NEED, then the cycle is broken.
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    It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to see how ADHD can cause havoc with this simple process.  Let's look at the cycle again, this time with the husband having ADHD:

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    "Husband dear, would you please fix dinner tonight, my dawgs are barking!"  (A NEED is expressed)
    The husband, while plainly within earshot, does not respond because he is concentrating on writing a letter to the housing authority and her plea doesn't penetrate his awareness.  (The NEED does not provoke AROUSAL, therefore she who expressed the need suffers anxiety)  How could he not have heard me?  Is he ignoring me?  Why would he ignore me?  The lazy bastard must not want to make dinner.
    After calling his name several times, the wife finally manages to get her husband's attention by throwing a shoe at him.  She repeats her request, although now her tone is snippy.  "What is wrong with you?  I asked if you would go make dinner."  (AROUSAL is finally provoked after several failed attempts, each one causing the wife to feel more and more anxious)
    The husband shoots back a knee-jerk reaction to her snippy tone that doesn't get filtered through his brain.  "What's wrong with me?  What's wrong with you?  Why did you hit me with a shoe, for chrissakes?  Just because you had a crappy day doesn't mean you get to take it out on me."  The husband didn't really mean to come across the way he did, but he might as well have thrown the shoe back at her.  The fact that she had asked him to cook dinner is gone from his mind, all he's focused on is how bitchy she's being, and how unfair that is.  They bicker for several more minutes, and finally the wife yells, "FINE!  I'll make dinner.  You just sit there and write your stupid letter, I don't care!"  The wife storms into the kitchen.  (The NEED is not MET, so instead of feeling relaxed, the wife is highly pissed, and her husband is confused about why they were arguing in the first place)
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    Even though the wife probably isn't consciously thinking it, somewhere in her unconscious, a little voice is saying, "He doesn't really love me, or he would have agreed to make dinner the first time I asked."  That little voice doesn't know from logic or reason, all it knows is what feels true.  When your wife looks at you uncomprehendingly when you say something like, "Baby, I would do anything for you, but sometimes I just can't," that little voice is why she doesn't understand.  This underlines a point that has been written about a lot on this site:  If marriage between an ADHDer and a non-ADHDer is going to work, it's going to require effort on both parts-  the ADHDer has to make an effort to find ways to cope with his condition, and the non-ADHDer has to find a way to empathize with the plight of the ADHDer, so that when something like the scenario up above happens, they can understand what's going on and not get upset at the ADHDer for something that isn't his fault.  Above all else, both parties have to be on the same page.

    So when I looked at the smoking ruin of my marriage in these terms, it is evident to me that neither of us maligned the other intentionally, we were victims of our defense mechanisms- mine tried to get me out of my responsibilities and hers buried her head in layers of denial, painting a picture of how life should be, and justifying her negative emotions stemming from the fact that life wasn't how it ought to be.  We were both unreasonable in our expectations, and neither of us would back down from our respective points of view.  Perception is reality, guys.  It sucks, but it's true.  She shut me out because she gave up hope that our relationship would ever recover, and it was bad for our son to be around such conflict, and she was right to do so, however much I cringe to say it.  She did the right thing.

    So now I am not angry at her, because she didn't know what she was doing either.  I know she still loves me, I can see it in her eyes when she looks at me; I can feel it in my bones.  She can tell herself she doesn't love me anymore, but I have to believe that she's lying to herself- she tends to deny reality when she can't deal with it.  She was trapped in a corner and she had to escape, and I understand that, and I hold no grudges.  I was out of control.  Now I want to set the record straight and try to rebuild upon the foundation of our relationship, which has always been strong, even when times were bad we found ways to connect meaningfully.  I just have no idea how to go about it, and I'm terrified I'll screw up this scrap of a chance, if it even exists.

    It's late, and I'm tired, so I'm just gonna send this out without much proofreading, so my apologies if some of it doesn't make any sense.  If anyone out there has come back from a similar predicament, or has any insight into how I should go about attempting reconciliation, please share it with me.  You have my unbounded gratitude in advance.  ~Fake

  • Silent Divorce by: jennalemon 11 years 2 months ago

    I have come to accept that dh has not been really talking to me for decades.  He has given me "yups" and "nopes" and one word answers to my questions.  He lies 50% of the time just to get me to stop trying to "pry" into his secret world. He walks away from discussions. The only communication he wants from me is sex or play. I have been very lonely in my marriage.  It used to lead me to believe he must be doing SOMETHING with his emotions SOMEWHERE and with SOMEONE because who lives like that?  Totally unconcerned or not wanting ANY connection?  

    But then, I have a sister who I believe may have some ADD.  She totally does not need her husband and tells me so.  He is just an annoyance to her. She is very independent. Maybe this is why I have put up with dh's emotional absence for so long....it is somewhat normalizing when others around you are the same way.  But I am lonely!  I need/want to connect and to be loved. I want to partner in life.  I am always doing things alone.  I yearn for community and belonging.  There is a thing, I Googled it, called silent divorce.  When couples stay living together but don't do things together. I realize dh has been treating me like we are in a silent divorce for decades and I have been trying, crying, working to make a relationship around him.  So he has been getting my attention (even though it is not always good attention). But I have not been getting any attention at all.  I feel like an annoyance to him.  

    I used to engage him in conversations and call him when he left yet again without saying goodbye or where he was going.  He does not work at a job...he has two sheds where he warehouses junk and services and sells it.  He has not called me other than to respond to my calls for decades.

    So a few weeks ago, I started to treat him the way he has been treating me.  We don't talk.  We don't say hello or goodbye or where we are going (like he has been doing for decades...one of my requests he ignored all these years). I sleep alone. I eat alone. I go to church alone. I work alone. I pay the bills alone. I do the taxes alone. I realize that this is incredibly self centered way to live.  All alone among other people.  He seem VERY gregarious to OTHER people. but with other people, he does not have to "partner", just joke and LOOK like a great guy.

    I am realizing that I have needs that have not been filled for a LONG time.  He must not have the need other than sex from me.  I am just a thing to him (a thing that was paying the bills).  Even that, he is not aware that I pay the bills....he thinks he does beacuse he pays for the health insurance.

    I am now joining everything I can think of for community.  So staved and frustrated by not getting it here.  This winter will be filled with activity and people and a LIFE.  He will be sitting in the garage smoking and drinking by himself.....where he likes to be.....no responsibility, no expectations of himself, no effort. 

     

     

  • My wife hates me. I feel hopeless and depressed. I don't know what to do... by: rsteele 11 years 2 months ago

    Quick summary:

    Early on in marriage, lost job. Not because of ADHD, but because market tanked in recession and had to move. Wife didn't want to move but we had to in order to survive.

    Since she didn't like area, I spent more time trying to fix situation and not paying attention to my wife. We finally moved again. Made another job change to defense contractor and that went under two weeks before son was born. Luckily had a back-up and was unemployed for 5 min.

    At that point at the age of 29, was diagnosed with ADHD. My wife still resents me for making her give up original job. On the plus side, we had moved into same area as her parents. Plus it's the nicest area we've lived in.

    This current job I had lost because of my adhd. I was working close to 75 hour weeks, and I was constantly stressed because my wife was even more resentful towards me. I also had to travel about 40% and I was trying to manage projects and repair my marriage because of my lack of emotional connection, attention, and emotional presence. I was relieved when I had lost that job. But the stress of unemployment was harder on her because she was dependent on me and she had no control whatsoever.

    Luckily, being a good engineer, I wasn't unemployed for long. Now, finally after years of bouncing around, I've had the best position for the past year. Economy is improving, I am finally in a stable position, and I can provide for us and our family steadily. In this economy, that is a blessing.

    Now (30 years old):

    But over the past year, my wife has resented me more and more. I've been reading books on how to become a better husband,  but it seems like anything that i try is never good enough. I've been on medication and I see a psychiatrist every three months to help with me with my medication. I've found a good balance of dosage and I think that it helps. Although, my wife refuses to give me any feedback whatsoever. I ask her what I can do to make things better and she refuses to say anything because she says she's been telling me for three years now. 

    She snaps anytime I make an ADHD mistake. She yells at me, sometimes hits me, tells me I'm stupid, retarded, and that I don't deserve a family. When I grab her arms just to get her to stop hitting me, she says things like I hope i get bruises so I can call the police and have them take you away. She said that everyone in my life has had to put up with me and that I don't deserve to have any relationships. 

    I love her, and I love my son. But it seems like everything that I do is wrong.  I want her to understand that I'm human and I'm going to make mistakes. I'm not perfect. I am trying, but it always seems like I do something that causes her to loose control.

    She refuses to come to therapy. She says that therapist don't work. I try the 5 love languages, I try to do things pertaining her love language. When an argument arises, I say I'm trying to do things pertaining to her love language and she replies that the test she took was not long enough and that wasn't really her love language. I'm keeping a journal and so I can track what works and what doesn't. I'm trying to plan date nights and it seems that I always manage to mess something up just before and she hates me for the entire evening. 

    Something always makes her upset. Today I had to reschedule a mini-vacation because I had an important meeting at work. I'm the cognizant engineer and I have to be there. But her anger and hatred overtakes her. It's not that I want to cause her stress, but I'm not missing a meeting that is very important to the company. It's not that I value work over our family. I just want to be secure in my employment. That's more valuable. We can always reschedule the vacation (which we did). Plus management was happy and they even gave me an extra half day to take off. 

    But it's seems that she can never take any change to a future schedule because of something that is out of our control. Go with the flow and reschedule, it's not the end of the world. She could not. She was so angry and upset. I'm confused because management understood, and that they knew they were causing us to change our plans. But that one thing that was not in our control, she took all of her anger and resentment out on me, in front of our son, doing the things I said in a previous paragraph.  When I cry, she says that she feels nothing. She says very hurtful things. She says that I'm only worth a paycheck to her.

    Now I'm believing that I deserve all of this. Maybe I do. I don't know anymore. I hug my 2 year old son and tell him I love him. I want to do the same to my wife. But I'm afraid that she'll take the only things I have in this world away from me: herself and my son.

    I feel so lonely...

     

  • Fish tank woes..... by: Suda 11 years 2 months ago

    UPDATE 6/24/2014 - see update below

    I am the non-ADD spouse. Our family has had pets over the years and I am always the main caretaker. A few years ago my husband decided that our family needed a fish tank. He spent a couple thousand dollars on all of the supplies and fish. I was not happy about the purchase for several reasons 1) expense and 2) maintenance - who is going to take care of it - I refused  to do anything for the fish.  My husband assured me that he would take care of the tank which he did for about 3 months.

    For the past three years, the fish tank goes uncleaned for 8 or 9 months and most of the fish die off.  Our young daughter eventually asks for new fish and then the two of them will make a trip to the pet store to buy more supplies and fish. He cleans up the tank - only to have the cycle start over again.

    A few weeks ago the filter died so now the tank is not just dirty, but everything is covered in green mold and it looks disgusting. I don't see any signs of life in the tank.

    I need help with the best way to communicate to my husband that I would like him to drain the tank. It pains me to look at it any longer and unfortunately, it is in our family room where we spend a lot of time.

    Please help me with how I can communicate this need without causing a fight between my husband and me.   Thank you!!!

    UPDATE 6/24/2014

    Since my original post, the fish tank has had a complete revamp with a new filter, rocks and fish back. For a few days after that, my husband was obsessing over ph levels, cleaning the sides etc. Then, he loses interest and the fish get nothing except for food (our daughter's job).  Now fast-forward 6 months to the present. I noticed the tank was getting green again and losing water. The fish seemed to be lifeless. So, one night I casually said to my husband, "Hey, the fish tank seems to be dirty. Do you think you could clean it soon? If not, maybe I will see if I can find a company to do it for us?" He said yes and did a quick cleaning of the sides and added more water. He asked what I thought of it and I praised him for his efforts - although probably not enough. I have a hard time giving him words of affirmation (something I need to work on).  Anyways, I mentioned how the mold was still on the bottom and the rocks needed to be vacuumed. Anyways, another week went by and I reminded him again of it. He took care of it, but it always comes with a price. He just can't clean it and be done with it. He had to go out and spend $75 on more supplies and fish. I get it that he needs a reward at the end of it so he likes to get more fish. I just wonder if maybe it would be easier and cheaper to higher someone else to do it for us.  Thoughts?

  • He is always controlling...!!!!!! by: lovehurtsalotwi... 11 years 2 months ago

    Every time i try to spend time with my kids and mother he gets upset or mad or controlling! he would have gotten invited before but he always picks fights with me in front of my kids so i NEVER take him to certain dinners or functions with us anymore,i mean how cool is it that my kids always sees me upset,hurt,mad,or angry.Well there is a dinner coming up this Saturday that i told him i would like to attend for 3 hours...he got mad so i left his house,i am home and we have not spoken since yesterday.I let him be,i gave him allllll his space and spaces...to hoots with him..i am going to spend the time with my kids regardless to how mad he his..he could stay leave whatever,,i love him but i really dont give a damn anymore...soo had it with the narcissism being.

    lovehurts....

  • NOW I see... :) by: ChaosConfused 11 years 2 months ago

    So, I have a horrible memory.  I'm not sure if it comes with the ADHD, or if it is something else, but I've always been perplexed when other people get angry or frustrated with me for forgetting something... when I forget something, it's not because I don't find it important- I forget important, trivial, long term, and short term stuff seemingly at random, so despite trying my best, stuff slips my mind.  So I try my best not to let people down, but I get sad and confused when other people get angry at me anyway.

    Well, my husband normally has a great memory.  However, I have reminded him at least 7 times now to either order my new ipod or transfer the funds so that I can order it.  I need a new camera after mine broke, and we decided it'd be worthwhile for me to get an ipod for its other useful features like a portable calendar, shopping list, directions, etc... so that I don't have to carry around a ton of notes and lists that I inevitably lose.  (We don't have cell phones so we need something portable.)  Anyway, he keeps forgetting!  It's been over a week and he still hasn't done it.  Up until yesterday it had not annoyed me at all, I just keep reminding him whenever I think of it.  But last night, the thought popped into my head, "This is ridiculous.  Does he just not care?"  It was only a momentary initial reaction, but I was surprised that I had that thought.

    And a light bulb went on.  HEY!  Maybe this is how memory lapses look to other people.  They have "automatic thoughts" (yes I've been reading books on cognitive behavioral therapy so I'm learning how to recognize my automatic thoughts) that I forget because I don't care, not because my brain shorts out.  Even though I am trying my best, it doesn't SEEM like I'm trying my best.

    Not sure I can DO anything about my memory lapses, which is what makes me frustrated at myself and helpless... like my husband and everyone else expects me to have some superhuman ability to remember lots of stuff and then pull up that memory whenever I want to remember it... I really, really wish I could because I am SWAMPED with things I need to organize.  But at least I understand now that other people who don't understand how my brain works might get the impression that I don't care.  

    I don't really need my ipod "right now."  :)  I can wait until he's got enough time and memory to get around to it.  And now I know how he feels some of the time.

  • Need language on how to better communicate about our personal finances by: Suda 11 years 2 months ago

    I am in the non-ADD spouse. I do all of the finances in our household. My husband was tired of all the fights we would have when I would see charges on our family credit card and I had no idea of what they are. Before I pay the bill, I would question him about the charges and it would start a huge argument about why he needed to make the purchases to begin with. Somehow in our couples counseling we came up with the "bright idea" for my husband to get his own credit card and checking account to manage and pay himself.  I can't believe I agreed to this! I don't even know why I did other than to say that I was hopeless and tired in our current situation that I thought maybe there was some hope that this new way could work.  The way I understood it to work is that a portion of our income would go to fund his "fun" account. Unfortunately, we did not define the rules properly and he has never once asked me to deposit any money into his account yet I KNOW he is making purchases.  I am sure the credit card has racked up and he is not paying it on-time.  Unfortunately, I have no visibility at all to his new credit card and checking account.  I suspect he has been putting his bonus/commission checks in his personal account, but we have always relied on that money for our day to day expenses.

    Now we are running low on cash for our personal expenses. Please help me with some language I can use to start a conversation with him about this. I want to communicate that we need money. I also want to communicate that I am not comfortable with his personal credit card and checking account. I don't want to make him "shut down and retreat" or get defensive.

    Anyone have any thoughts on how I can bring up this very delicate topic???

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