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  • New ADD'er by: ADDMAN 11 years 3 months ago
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  • Running away by: crossingfingers... 11 years 3 months ago

    My probably-ADHD bf (we both think he has ADHD but he has not been evaluated) is having a breakdown. He is withdrawing and running away, which is his usual reaction when he gets overwhelmed, but this time it's pretty extreme. He is "driving west" for an undetermined amount of time!

    He just graduated law school and does not have a job, which weighs on him as his loans kick in soon. He lives at home with an ADHD dad, and his mother and sister, who have their own kind of idiosyncrasies (including being controlling and manipulative). He has two older brothers (that do not live with them), one with ADHD and one with aspergers. The brother with aspergers works with computers, and he has been fired from his last three jobs. He was most recently fired on Monday, and my bf is the only person responsible enough to give him advice and calm everyone down. On Monday and Tuesday he barely spoke to me and was so overwhelmed with the situation at home. Things had been going well with us--we actually had a great conversation about our relationship last week--but the stress was deeply affecting him. He has been living at home for the past two years.

    On Wednesday night he got drunk at his band rehearsal, and then told me he was going on a road trip to see the country with his sister, and that they were to leave today (Friday). He has no money, but she has some money and it was her idea. She has been trying to drive a wedge between him and I for years. I know this isn't about me, but her jealousy towards me doesn't help how I feel. I got upset for a number of reasons, in fact I felt heartbroken, and he was snarky and told me I "can't" go with him because I have a job and an apartment. He didn't even act like he would want me to go. This is the complete opposite of the person who was sweet and loving to me just days before. He never plans trips for us, but this is like the 7th trip he has gone on this year (which he rationalized by saying they were for job interviews or to visit family, which not all of them were). He is tired of "answering to me," which I don't understand, because that's the dynamic he has with his family, not with me. He announced to me that he can do whatever he wants. He said he is tired of listening to his parents and being stuck at home, so he "just has to go." Later in the conversation, he had walked to a convenience store because his parents had no food in the house, and he suddenly turned sweet when I changed the topic to his rehearsal and my pet bunny. He was very drunk, and I have never heard him oscillate between petulance and sweetness like that. I asked him to come over last night to talk. He said he would, but not much to my surprise, haven't heard a word from him since our conversation on Wednesday. (Also, last Friday he was supposed to come over, but instead he didn't tell me he wasn't coming and went to bed without eating because he was sad. He said he didn't know why he was sad. He came the next day and we had a great weekend.)

    He said he isn't running away from me, he doesn't want to break up, and he still loves me. I believe him, but that doesn't change the fact that his decisions impact me, even if he wishes they didn't. When I was upset, he angrily was like "would you really miss me?" because he thinks we fight all the time (we don't, he was just feeling overwhelmed). I said I would miss him, and asked if he wouldn't miss me, and he said he would miss me. 

    I know I can only control myself, and I just need to detach and let go. I could hear from him today or in 4 weeks. My heart is hurting for what he is going through and for myself. I want to know why he is reacting this way, because I can't imagine displacing things on the person I love in such a hurtful way, and then leaving. I know he has a low tolerance for frustration and for feeling bad about himself. I don't understand why everything looks dark to him when he is overwhelmed, including our relationship. I don't know how he can become a completely different person under stress and treat me like this. And I don't know why fight or flight seem to be his primary coping skills. I am tired of this rollercoaster, I'm tired of being told "our patterns" are nothing new when it's mostly his patterns, and I'm tired of how embarrassing it is for me to tell my family and friends. I don't understand why he doesn't let me be there for him, and why he starts treating me like an enemy. I want a supportive partnership. I know I might be collateral damage to his current situation, but how is he okay with letting that happen?

    Edit: I thought this post was relevant because of low-frustration tolerance, not talking about feelings, placing blame, etc. I'm in a position that a lot of other posters on these boards seem to be in, which is one of being left to deal with my feelings by myself, and dealing with a lot of unpredictable behavior on his part. He lets us unravel to a certain point and then doesn't want to address anything. I basically wanted some advice on how to deal with this, and was wondering if this is typical of ADHD. If this isn't relevant enough, I will stop posting, but I thought I would clarify my rant first. 

  • lack of empathy drives me to my wits end by: terrasig 11 years 3 months ago

    I'm a non-ADHD partner and my boyfriend was diagnosed as a young child with a severe case of ADHD. He was on Ritalin and Adderall as a child, which helped tremendously when he was young, but he went off medication as a teenager and has basically asserted that he no longer has it. 

    We've been dating for almost three years and in my opinion, he very much has ADHD symptoms. The most notable manifestation is that he routinely cuts people off, seconds or even milliseconds after they start talking. We have very much fallen into the parent-child paradigm, where i nag him about things and i feel ignored when he cuts me off sarcastically. He also loses things all the time and is incredibly disorganized. In the past few years, he has lost 2 expensive fleece jackets from his parents, his backpack with all of his cycling gear in it, his $200 headphones on the plane, his phone, two baseball caps that he treasured, one expensive sleeping bag, and two expensive sleeping pads for camping. Before we started dating, his room was covered entirely in old beer cans and one time he drank from the wrong one, and took in a whole mouthful of mold.

    The biggest problem for me is his general lack of empathy and concern for my feelings. I come from a culture where people are trained to notice other people's feeling or at least learn a pattern of behavior that is generally respectful and mindful of others' needs. Partly because of my background, I think i am particularly sensitive to his lack of empathy. However, I also think that it makes me less willing to be firm about the things that bother me, repressing hurt feelings until I explode in anger.

    He is also very sarcastic. Whenever something makes him feel judged or criticized, he immediately starts making sarcastic jabs at me. Even when I am not being critical, he uses sarcasm against me. For example, rather than asking me if I want dinner, he says "I guess you don't want any dinner," and then storms off and starts cooking. Or if I take a long time to think about where to go for lunch, he will scoff and say "I guess YOU'RE not going to make decisions so I'LL have to."

    We've been going to couples therapy and we've learned a lot about his insecurities. What gets me the most, is that not only is he incredibly rude and sarcastic but that this also stems from his insecurities. So he can dish it out but he can't take it. These kinds of interactions makes me mad and resentful and unable to be empathetic to him, and I find myself treating him the same way he's been treating me. And he knows that's the case, so he gets angry and say s "why can't you just be nice to me and eventually i'll learn from your example?,"which i find to be bullshit since I've already tried doing that for a year, but to no avail.

    Today I confronted him about a bowl of mine that he broke (also, he doesn't own or buy anything in the house; all the furniture, household supplies, utensils, etc were contributed by me), to which he said "That's not your bowl," I replied "yes it is, it was given to me by a friend." Then he said "Why would you expect me to tell you about it?" and then "It's not like I meant to break it" and then "I'm sorry?" as a question as if he were filling out a multiple choice exam. 

    I'm totally at my wits end and I am really wondering whether it's best to get out. His parents are actually in the process of getting divorced, because his mom is the same way. Thanks for letting me rant.

  • What do you do when you can't rely on your spouse? by: 20YrVet 11 years 3 months ago

    I've been asking myself this for years (even before we knew he had ADHD), but I go through periods when I am obsessed with it, and now is one of them. I try to find advice to single moms, because I figure I am almost (but not entirely) like one. I search for every possible way I can set my life up so that when I get sick or super busy/stressed, I can have everything under control without having to turn to my husband for help, because he won't be there for me. For several years now, he has been responsible for providing dinner two nights a week, and lately, he keeps flaking out on one of those nights, but I don't know until the last minute, so I've started searching for recipes for freezer-to-oven meals (no time to thaw when you find out at dinnertime that your spouse isn't making dinner!) or super-easy but healthy meals (our family is tired of fast food and Lean Cuisines -- sad, isn't it?).

    I fear falling into a serious situation like cancer, because I know he won't be there for me.

    It's not that he is evil. He just can't be relied on, and when I have complained, he has gotten upset. So, I've stopped complaining. I have done my best to give friendly reminders, but even they don't seem to work. Case in point, this past Sunday (a night when he is supposed to provide dinner -- this has been his chore for YEARS): He left for an event around mid-afternoon. Before he left, I asked, "Are you still making dinner tonight?" He said, "Yes." As it got closer and closer to 6, I wondered at what point I should call him and remind him he said he was going to provide dinner. I was poaching chicken for one of those freezer meals I mentioned. He walked in, and I said something to him about the fact that I wasn't making dinner, I was cooking ahead for another night. He said something like "Okay," and went into the garage. A short while later, I heard him using the circular saw. I gave him a while, and then stuck my head in the garage and asked, "When are you making dinner?" "Oh!" he said, "I'm sorry. You must be hungry. What sort of Lean Cuisine would you like?" So, he was sorry, but honestly, what am I supposed to do? Chant "dinner dinner dinner" constantly at him? 

    He is obsessed, completely obsessed with the project he is working on in the garage. He will be in there for hours. He asked me to order drapes for our windows, and they have been sitting there for months, waiting for him to put them up. He tells me not to wash the dishes, he will do them (they are another chore of his), but they will be all over the counter, in my way, or we will run out of spoons, and I will go ahead and wash them, because otherwise who knows WHEN they will be washed. If I am stressed or sick, he isn't going to step in and pick up the slack for me. He might tell me not to do things, but he won't actually do them for me -- and I don't mean things like dusting (I hardly ever get around to dusting; I don't have time and it isn't a high priority), but things like laundry or taking out trash (actually, when he SEES me taking out trash, he'll jump up and say, "I'll do it," but if the can is overflowing, he will just ignore it). Speaking of trash, we have talked about how I would like him to throw his trash away, but he will make himself a microwave popcorn every night and INVARIABLY leave the plastic outer wrapper on the counter. I was recently on vacation with my mother and child (without him -- he doesn't like to travel), and he had a cold while I was gone. When I came home, there was a used Kleenax on the bedroom floor next to the wastepaper basket -- he had missed and not bothered to pick it up. Ewww.

    Earlier this year, he had a minor medical crisis. After it was over, he thanked me for being by his side, and I appreciate that, but I was hurt (especially because he knows my love language is words of affirmation) when, a few days later, we were with some of his friends, and he told about his crisis, and instead of saying something like, "And my lovely wife was there for me," he said, "And when she drove me to the ER, she drove up to the wrong door, and I was in SOOOO much pain, but I didn't get mad at her." Gee, thanks, honey. A few weeks later, I had a cold (and yes, it was just a cold), and I had to work despite the cold, and I'd come home from work, and he didn't offer to do a thing to make the evenings easier for me, like make dinner that night. I know I should have ASKED him to do it when he didn't volunteer, but I get so TIRED of always having to the initiator (and then having to follow up and follow up and follow up if my request is actually going to be taken care of). Can't he just once see a need and actually offer to meet it on his own? 

    He takes Adderall, and that helps, but he refuses to get counseling, either couples counseling or for himself. He also won't acknowledge that his ADHD has a negative effect on me. My problems are all supposed to be because I am depressed (and I am, and I'm being treated for it, and the treatment is helping me, but it doesn't change my overall situation with my husband or desire to be cared for as well as being the one who does the caring).

    I periodically throw myself pity parties, wishing I had someone who had my back. I can't afford regular household help, and anyway, what I really need is someone to pick up after my husband or keep on top of the dishes or deliver a last-minute healthy meal (where we live, you can't order restaurant meals for delivery, like you could in, say, NYC). My mother, who lives nearby, is entirely unsupportive. She thinks I need to be firmed with him. What she doesn't know (because I haven't told her -- I don't think telling her would help the situation) is how close we have come to divorce, because I am a "nag" who "always wants my way." I don't want a divorce (well, the sane part of me that realizes that (1) life wouldn't exactly be a party without my husband, no matter how unhelpful he can be, and (2) I'd feel like I'd cut off a leg if I divorced him -- we've been together so long, and I do believe I still love him, even when I think I want a divorce), so I just take care of things myself now. Single moms are told to have a support network they can rely on, but who would that be? Am I the only person whose friends are frankly busy enough with their own families that they don't make much of a support network? They are emotionally supportive, but really -- my closest friend, geographically speaking, is disabled, so I can't count on her for practical help, and my other friends live half an hour or more away. I just have to do for myself.

    I confess that I fantasize sometimes that my husband and I won't be together any more someday, and I'll meet a man who cherishes me and whom I can lean on in tough times. Someone I can truly trust. I know that isn't good for my marriage, but I am having a very hard time not going there mentally. (This someone is not an actual man I know, but that doesn't make my thoughts good.)

    Has anyone successfully managed the "I wish someone had my back" issue? How did you do it? 

  • Wife says ADHD is garbage by: rambleon123 11 years 3 months ago

    Hi all. I am new to the forum. It has been 1 1/2 years since my now 16 year old son was diagnosed and about a year for me. Still going through the "oh, so that's why..." of the things in my past. And of course, my wife of 20 years and I are room mates. We have our son, 16 and daughter 20 living at home. Both professionally employed and both kids in school.

    My wife and I had our first counseling session about a two weeks ago. During the session, she "laundry listed" everything that has happend "to her" that was the result of something I did starting from before we were married. I have apologized a month earlier for everything I did put her through. Didn't realize I was doing it until I knew why. I want to get a handle on all of this and work together. She told my in the session to quit using the ADHD as an excuse. I told her that I was not using it as an excuse, but as a reason why.

    Towards the end of the session, she was talking to the counselor and said that the ADHD was garbage. Kind of puts a damper on things especially since our son is truly ADHD, still trying to dial in the meds and learning new ways to do things. I am 54 and on meds  and have had a long time to develop a lots of "work arounds", but still willing to learn.

    My concern is if she doesn't think the ADHD is real, how can we work on our relationship?  I know she has lots of anger and un-forgiveness that has been built up. She does not try to understand what ADHD is and how people with it just do things differently. She still talks at us and calls our 16 year old son, "lazy" "you just won't try" "it's not up to MY standards". Both my son and I are creatives (big surprise). I have been a commercial photographer and cameraman in the film and video industry ( as well as advertising, music, producer, etc.) and my son has won awards for his art work and he plays several styles of music on the guitar (self-taught). My wife works with a doctor and is very precise and excellent at what she does (and she will tell you she is). I described our relationship to the counselor as "She is linear and black & white and I am oblique and technicolor".  We driver her crazy.

    Since being on the meds, I have not "avoided" interaction with her when she starts barking orders and criticizing (son and I). I have studied as much as I can. I share with my son. I have listen the "The ADHD Marriage four times so far along with Driven to Distraction.

    Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

     

     

  • Is gullible an ADHD trait? by: I'm So Exhausted 11 years 3 months ago

         Gullible?  Easily deceived?  Taken advantage of?  Cheated?         

  • Husband of an Undiagnosed ADD Wife by: timallen 11 years 3 months ago

    We've been married for 20 years but just now beginning to realize that the reasons I feel miserable about our marriage and unloved may have more to do with my wife's undiagnosed ADD than anything else. On one hand its a relief - offers hope that something can be done - on the other anxiety about failure.

    We have a high school age daughter who has just been diagnosed with inattentive type ADD. She is extremely bright and smart and seems to have coped well till her high school years. In researching ADD and its lifetime consequences I came to this site. Melissa's blog about introduction to adhd and marriage just hit me over the head. It EXACTLY describes our marriage. However, looking at the site bothers me as most of the comments I see on this site are from women discussing their ADHD husbands. I see very little about men with adhd wives. Perhaps its because men tend to be less open about their feelings? Or perhaps there is a forum or blog that I have not seen.

    I have started reading the Melissa Orlov's book but still unsure how to approach this with my wife. We are at a point of essentially no companionship, minimal intimacy, strictly business discussions (chores, grocery etc - most of which essentially I have to do) and the only thing holding us together is kids and my resolve to make this work. Every problem has got to have a solution, its a matter of finding it.

    Sorry for the disorganized rumbling of thoughts here but I felt like venting somewhere and asking for support. Did not mention that we have been in marital counseling for over a year now and my wife just suddenly pulled the plug and declined to go anymore. I am not sure if the counseling helped and I don't think the marriage counselor realized the ADD issue before I bought it up recently - makes me think that I need to go somewhere else for help.

    Would greatly appreciate to hear any suggestions. Feel very lonely and out there by myself. I really love my wife, despite everything, and really want to make this work. I think the first thing will be to make a diagnosis and seek care but I don't even know how to approach the topic with her.

  • Sad & Angry, the changes never came by: Toad39 11 years 3 months ago

     

    I.m a non-add spouse, been married 18 years.  Despair is the only word that describes how I feel.  He was diagnosed 2 months after we married -  I thought 'ok, we can do this.  Lot.s to learn we.ll work together'.   He is a very kind & sweet man, is good father, a really good guy.  Nothing could have ever prepared me for living this way.  I have read everything, tried to help, organize, plan, ignore, let natural consequences happen, I.ve been direct, I.ve been accommodating.  I tried to be encouraging & patient (not good at this at all)   I begged, asked, screamed for him to do something differently.  To get help [more than medication alone, not enough].  The 'help' we got dismissed his Add/inattention & basically said 'You just need to lighten up, he.s a good guy.  You.ve got it pretty good'. I was always very open about the fact that at some point I wouldn.t keep living this way.  Then about 3.5 years ago - I. Gave. Up.   The pain I feel is not because I love him or want his companionship it is because of the rage I feel for being tricked/lied to/deceived because he said 'I know I have some things to work on, I understand, I.m going to start making changes, you wait & see'.  I foolishly believed him & that was sick.  No more.

  • Still trying despite lack of Trust by: Grrr 11 years 3 months ago

    My bf of four years cheated on me twice. Once while drunk(although he was texting while not drunk too) and once online(he was telling her he loved her and texting her behind my back as well) we have split up and gotten back together many, many times. I keep giving him chances that he probably doesn't deserve. I feel like I am his mother more than his common law wife. He tells me he loves me and that I am his world. He says he doesn't love those other girls. He is an alcoholic and ends up drinking when he is around his brothers and seems to not be able to last a week without drinking behind my back at work. I talked to our doctor who prescribed Effexor which he has been taking to try and regulate his moods. He has a lightning quick temper and gets frustrated easily. Gives up a lot. I managed to get him to a two day training session to become a flagger. He goes for periods where he is ok and works. Other times, he seems to not want to work and ends up getting fired. His boss needs flaggers and so gives him chances too with increasing amounts of time in between 'firings'. I have a full time job and support us most of the time. When he gets angry, he has called me terrible names; later apologizing, saying he won't do it again. He always does. I try hard to not enable him; I have never tried to cover for him or lie about his drinking to anyone but I guess constantly taking him back is enabling behavior. He now has a job in the next village(7 minutes away) which I am happy about. We are low on gas due to a financial set back and his mother called me at work asking if he can spend the night to save on gas until we get more gas money to drive him back and forth after next payday. I thought he had his phone turned off and was going to check his messages at lunchtime. I asked him to not ask his mother to ask if he can spend the night anymore; that we are adults and our gas is fine for now. He blew up and got mad saying he didn't tell her to do that and he knows better to ask because the answer is always NO! He continued saying she only asked to save us gas and then said fuck you I'm giving you your cell back(I pay the bills and technically own it) and that he was leaving me and staying at his mothers. (He says this a lot when he gets mad) I have told him(previously) many times that it takes a long time to build trust back up once it's broken. He doesn't understand that I have trouble trusting him (the girl he was saying I love you to knows his mothers number and he probably has her number memorized from god knows how long he was texting and calling that girl). Many people who care about me have told me to dump him and I have considered it but end up missing the good stuff and have my own abandonment issues. The only time he seems truly happy is when he smokes pot(daily). God help me if he doesn't have pot for one day! I don't pay for his drugs because they are so expensive but will shoot him five or ten bucks here and there. I feel so stuck. Angry. And frustrated beyond belief. 

  • Lost and Broken by: Anonymous (not verified) 11 years 3 months ago

    I don't know where to start. Maybe I am hoping that my husband will stumble upon this and read it and a light bulb will go off.

    I have read many of your posts and am convinced that there is something wrong with my DH. I think ADHD describes him, but yet I also see a little bit of narcissism as well. Unfortunately this is all undiagnosed as it is clearly "my issue that is affecting the marriage". My husband refuses to believe anything is wrong with him and I am so lost. We have been together for nine years and married for seven. We share kids from previous relationships, but have none of our own.

    A little background about my husband is that he has very strained relationships with most people in his life, yet it has always been someone else's fault because he is never wrong. He believes that once everyone gets on board with that the world will be a better place. So all of you free thinking women who want to stand up for themselves are just stupid and crazy in his eyes. His parents tossed him out when he was 14 and he spent the majority of his childhood involved in bouncing around, petty crimes, etc. When he was 21 he hit and killed a woman who was in the middle of the road. Technically it wasn't his fault, though he didn't have insurance so he shall pay dearly the rest of his life. This has affected most of what goes on in his decision making. He believes that he has and holds a "stable job" for me and the kids. It's like he doesn't feel the need to grow up and have responsibilities on his own accord.

    On the eve of our wedding we had a huge fight . It was actually just him screaming at me for some unknown reason. I should have known right from the start. He is the type of person who is either very excited and happy (singing and being silly around the house), drawing attention towards himself or he is a force to be reckoned with. He has never physically hurt me though he has threatened me several times. The kids are scared of him when he is like this and I am just ...tired. I am not scared because I think he is weak. I want to help him. When we argue it will escalate very quickly to the point where he will say "I'm not responsible for what happens when you push me too far". He has almost no self control as well. We don't go for family dinners and have a glass of wine. We go for dinners and he has three beers. Then a six pack at home. He is far more aggressive when he drinks. He has actually refused to go places with me if there will not be alcohol there. He refuses to go places in general, such as my work Christmas party because he thinks they are all "idiots and wetback weak minded c*nts". And the language is pretty typical. At my sister's wedding I missed the first dance because he got drunk and started an altercation with my father, so I had to take my husband out of there. He left me and I spent the night alone.

    Throughout the years situation like this have happened over and over. At the start he kept saying that he would try to be better, be less mad, etc. Now I have lost quite a bit of weight since we got married whereas he has put at least 50lbs on. He works a 9-5 shift and does the cooking for the kids. That's it. He forces the kids (teenagers) to do the chores. I get home from the gym and walk the dog, do the laundry, run errands, etc. He sits in front of the TV until bedtime in which he commands to me "should I come to bed because you haven't sucked my d*ck in weeks". That's the sweet romantic side. Nothing is below him in what he says. I have been called every name in the book. And we fight like this in front of the kids.

    We had previously split in 2007 due to the fact that his drinking and staying away from home had become too much for me. His best friend had died and he suck into a depression. After eight months we got back together because I was stupid enough to believe things were different. Then it started again and has gotten progressively worse. He used to get mad at me because I didn't want to get "sh*tfaced with him" (I'm not a big drinker). Now he just does it on his own. He can polish off a case of beer NO PROBLEM. He goes out and drinks and stays at his friends house. He justifies it because we have had a fight and thought we were over. Last year I told him we needed to see a counselor. He stated that only "Weak idiots see doctors and that he wasn't wasting his money. You are going to have to pay for it yourself!!" Six months later I tried again and he said that nothing was wrong with him, "I was the crazy one who needed medication so maybe I should consider checking myself into a mental institution!".

    Yesterday his cell phone was acting up so he suggested that we go look at getting it fixed. He went off at the poor kid in the store for about a half an hour and pretty much threatened him and all of the employees. He said it was worth taking an assault charge. We left (of course I am always embarrassed) and went home and a fight with us started. he told me that I was getting all "c*nt eyed on him" and I forced him to get his phone fixed????????? After all of these years I am so used to the crazy making, gaslighting, blame twisting that I pretty much block it out. Then he said to me "YOU HAVE NEVER DONE ANYTHING TO MAKE OUR MARRIAGE BETTER BECAUSE YOU DON'T WORK AT IT".

    Needless to say a light went off in my head. No matter what I do or say it will always be butting heads with him. He is my best friend but I refuse to let him treat me this way anymore. I am so sad that he feels that he can do so much better than me.  I am a good wife and a great mother. I cannot change him. I tried to make boundaries for myself so that I wouldn't allow him to manipulate me or walk all over me, but he doesn't respect them. I told him this morning that I am not willing to accept this any longer and we need help. He said that I am the one with the problem and he refuses to take medication or see a therapist. I guess he has made my decision for me. I feel so broken and worthless.

     

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