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  • "He who cares the least wins." by: jennalemone 8 years 5 months ago

    "He who cares the least wins."  I think of this quote quite often in my own relationship with H. He seems to need his independence and control and "self" more than he needs a relationship with his marriage and wife. That seems to be the mode of the day ..... boundaries and self-hood and self-pampering.   I DO feel needy often.  I WANT to care and have connection.  Does that make me co-dependent?  Or does the fact that our needs are not being met mean that our needs are not being met?  Does our society believe that caring more is linked to desperation? 

    Playing "games" of control and distance (avoidance) seems immature and maddening in a long term marriage with family.  When two people are constantly competing (for their ego), nobody wins. 

    The neuro-wishing and "A Course in Miracles" and "creating your own reality" only goes so far.  I believe in positive attitude, gratitude and prayer but educational psychology and organizational behavior has proven that a teacher, manager, dictator, parent CAN control the beliefs and thoughts of others.   Like was said on this thread before, a child cannot "conjur" up how they are raised and treated.  Neither can many people without resources or entitlement have "mind control" about how they are treated.  If a person has no recourse, no options, they must endure what is. And how you are taught and treated DO have an effect on quality of life unless you are delusional.

    I like the quote J said from Yoda...."Your Jedi mind tricks will not work on me." which would be a good mind set to keep your sanity when you MUST ENDURE GASLIGHTING.  

     I am co-dependent. How do you separate good co-dependence with bad co-dependence?  Do not partners as a wife and husband need to depend on each other to work together?  Is LOVE nothing more than an illusion and something to protect yourself from being too vulnerable?  How much ego does a SELF need to have before we are all independent of each other and all play the "power over" games which results in winners and losers and the game of WAR?

    Some people fight.  It is in their nature. Some people serve.  It is in their nature. Those of us who serve are at the mercy of those who fight.  It is best to know this when young so that choices can be made that are based on mutual trust and comitttment rather than sex appeal.

    I do know of happy couples who appreciate and love each other.  They are both co-dependent.  Not one of them is co-dependent and the other a warrior who is constantly protecting himself from any intrusion into an isolated world of his own.

  • so beaten down today by: dvance 8 years 5 months ago

    I feel so beaten down today.  Today I could walk out my front door and never look back.  Everything is a project.  Nothing is smooth or easy.  I have gained 25+ pounds for a grand total weight of 170 pounds.  That is in the last year.  Oldest son, turning 17 tomorrow, OD'd in January and got out of rehab in late February.  He has been clean for 138 days.  Youngest son, 14-freshman, has Asperger's and is doing terribly in school.  We had a family session with me, DH and oldest son today as part of his recovery.  Oldest son is pretty astute and  says we should have gotten a divorce four years ago--that would be when DH had a suicide plan and three other women on the side, none of which oldest son knows.  Then 4 years ago after that he moved out for 6 months, 4 of which I didn't even know where he was living.  Then there is all the medical bills that are in my name because I hold our insurance because DH has been unemployed so many times.  My credit is somewhere in the 500s but his is great.  You know how I know?  He now has not one, not two but FOUR credit cards.  Every once in a while I snoop because I always find out stuff and sure enough--testosterone and muscle building supplements.  And we have had sex two times in the past 12 months.  And a brand new silver watch in his dop kit.  He has been saying he wants a new watch but that we cannot afford it right now.  I googled this one--$200.  So not a ton, but still.  Then there are the bills from rehab and now the follow up counseling which is $175 a session not covered by insurance.  There is just no letting up.  Ever.  I am exhausted all the time.  Overweight.  I have a bulging disc and spinal stenosis that makes walking or working out impossible.  I am 45 years old and OLD and worn out.  If I have to have back surgery that is just more bills we cannot afford, but I cannot NOT have the outlet of working out and the self confidence of looking decent.  Two years ago I was 140.  Right now the only things that keep me going are cookies and tea.  And DH maintains that his ADHD is under control.  He is the most inefficient person I have ever seen.  He is neither on meds nor seeing a counselor despite how many times I say I think he needs it.  In the family session today oldest son said is so quiet in the house.  How do I tell him it's because I cannot think of a single thing to say to his dad any more.  How do I tell him that I feel trapped and lonely and like my life has been a waste.  That I made a bad choice 21 years ago and now we are all stuck with it.  How do I tell him that if I had any self respect left I would ask his father to leave and never contact me again.  How do I tell him that I am not the person I used to be any longer, that I don't care about anything except getting him and his brother raised and out so they can have a more satisfying life than I have.  The irony is we are not actually fighting, it's pretty calm.  Because I don't care enough to fight about anything any more.  DH goes out of town often for work.  I wonder if he has someone on the side, with the testosterone and all.  It's not for me after all.  I would be so happy if he found someone.  I could stop feeling so damn guilty all the time about not caring what he does.  I could stop feeling so damn terrified all the time that he is going to have another break down and leave.  And so secretly hopeful that if he did decide to leave again I could justifiably say WE'RE DONE because no one would think poorly of me for putting my foot down after a second time.  The first time it was poor him-depression, exhaustion, PTSD from the war and childhood abuse.  No one knew about the other women.  What kind of monster kicks her husband out under those circumstances??  I am just unrecognizable to myself at this point and there is no way out and I am not entirely sure it's all ADHD.  What if he's just a bad guy?  Too damaged by his abusive childhood to be an adult?  I almost don't even care any more.  I just want to be alone.

  • Pregnant and dealing with partners lies by: Skasen2014 8 years 5 months ago

    im not married, but my partner and I have been together for just over 3 years. I am 20 and he is 22. We have been living together for a year and we are expecting our first child in October. He was diagnosed with ADHD very early in life and was on medication for it until high school, but is no longer on it. I'm struggling to find a way to deal with and put an end to his pattern of lying. He has never cheated on me (that I know or) but he will lie about EVERYTHING, even if there is no reason to lie. Sometimes it's flat out lying to my face, other times it's lying by omission. The current issue in dealing with is him lying about what he does when he hangs out with his friends. I can sometimes be controlling because I struggle with anxiety as well as a host of other mental health issues, but I very rarely ask him not to hang out with someone, or go do something he wants to do. I hope that after we have the child he will stop spending the night at his best friends house but I don't have a problem with him doing it now. However, 

     

    He knows that I don't want him smoking weed. It's just something that I need out of my partner, and I don't really know why, I just don't want it in my life. Granted, I don't care if other people do it, I'm not one to judge, I used to smoke it myself, but I experienced severe psychosis when smoking it and haven't done it since. He does not use it for medical purposes (he's told me himself it makes him feel slow and dumb) yet I found out yesterday that he has been smoking it when I'm not around. I don't really think it is the fact that he was smoking that bothers me the most, I don't like it, but it isn't what gets me upset. Him hiding it from me and lying about it to me when we would talk about what he does with his friends makes me upset. He refuses to have his friend over at our place ever. He hangs out with his friend more than he hangs out with me so I've asked him several times if they could hang out here more and he says no. Now I know why. He told me that his best friend and him have only smoked it a few times together. He also promised that he wouldn't smoke it anymore because he respects my wishes. Yes, my trust in him is lacking so tonight after he fell asleep I looked at his texts messages and his friend was making me out to be the bad guy because I asked him to spend some of the day with me instead of spending it all with him (I said he could go over there after dinner, not like I said they couldn't hang out). His friend asked him if they were still going to get stoned and my boyfriend said not this time. When I read that I got sick to my stomach. He basically told his friend that they can't do it this time but whenever he can get home before me and shower or spend the night at his friends they can do it because I won't find out. He doesn't respond my needs and wishes. We have had several conversations about what I need from him in our relationship but he never does anything differently. He avoids any important conversation. I am going to confront him tomorrow when he gets home from work and we are going to have a very serious conversation. 

     

    I think part of the reason it makes me so upset that he doesn't show me the respect I want is because this entire past year we have lived on our own, I have paid all our bills by myself and he never seems to have any money to help out, even though he makes as much as I do each month, because he "doesn't know where his money is going". I just feel like he is hiding so much from me and it is very hurtful and hard to deal with. I'm honestly at the point that if we weren't expecting a baby I would tell him I can't do this anymore and leave. I would pay the bills so that my rental history isn't shot but after our lease is up that would be it. Also, I bought him a car a year ago. I bought it from my dad who sold it to me for a good price under the conditions that when the title got switched over it would be in my name. I found out last week that he went and put it in his name so if something did happen I wouldn't get the car that I paid for. I just am not sure what to do anymore. I love him, but I'm so tired of being lied to. Any advice? He doesn't want to be on meds. He's very stubborn and doesn't think he needs therapy. I just feel very alone and stuck. Any help is appreciated. 

  • I now feel hope by: PoisonIvy 8 years 5 months ago
    My divorce was finalized this morning. I still like my former husband. But I have no regrets about no longer being married to him. I'll always be an anxious person but now I won't have the concealed dangers resulting from his and his family's dishonesty and denial weighing me down.
  • Nightmares and Flashbacks by: CosmicJoke 8 years 5 months ago

    We wake up with so much to do, and often, with a few crises to solve...but that's hard when a memory surfaces that resists shaking off.

    Years ago, before his diagnosis, when one kid was a toddler and the other an infant, this happened...

    Our friends invited us to their wedding. She was a single mom who had found love again. Her daughter and my oldest were nursery school best friends. (Over time, we would share much, off and on because of all the times DH would make us move out of state...I thought they were the kind of pals couples make together, sharing much as we watch all our kids grow...but after much upheaval on our end, I have not seen them in years.)

    An invitation to a wedding! This is exciting, but what will I wear? My body is still recovering from giving birth to my second 10 lb. baby. I don't even know what size I am. Husband is in what I will eventually come to label, "magnanimous mode". He reminds me that my career and his are doing well, I need a better wardrobe anyway, I deserve nice things, and BTW I am sometimes too frugal for my own good. (Of course I am, he has already caused us to lose thousands of dollars, but this ADHD marriage is moving faster than the speed of light, and I am so busy with babies and career that a lot of the causes of this chaos have yet to sink in...)

    So, nervously, I allow myself to go to the hip shopping district with the elegant boutiques and sit on the leather settee as the charming sales clerk assembles an outfit of flowing silks for me to try on. I walk out of Eileen Fisher hundreds of dollars poorer, but amazing looking. I rationalize that this outfit's versatility will let me wear some of the separates for business meetings, and my husband has promised adventures together (never to materialize) in which some nice clothes will come in handy.

    The big day comes. We drive several hours to get to an elegant mansion, a garden full of topiary, a banquet room of chandeliers and exquisite floral arrangements and French doors flung open to let in the sunshine and the birdsongs. My son's little friend is a vision in her party dress and bouquet, and he happily toddles off to romp with her. We don't know most of the guests, but like the happy couple, they are warm and open folks, and conversation flows. We are seated next to a mutual friend, an organic farmer from our area I have been looking forward to getting to know better.

    Ten minutes into our finding our table, DH excuses himself to eye the copious buffet . He returns to our table to interrupt the conversation I am having with the other guests. He is in a state of agitation usually reserved for movie scenes where a friend storms into a room to announce that zombies are breaking through the barricades. He is twitching. He can barely talk. He mumbles that there s nothing here for our kids to eat!!! Nothing!!! What will they eat! They're kids! They need to eat!

    Only years later will I start to understand that, when he would get like this, the tension would be so great, that a part of my brain would shut down. I could not reason with him. His twitching would not stop until he got what he felt he needed. And, at that point (though this would change over the course of our marriage) he would couch these desperate/weird demands in the language of caring for/doing right by others. So here I was, confronted by a man in desperate need to see children nourished--what kind of mother would I be to question that?

    Five minutes later, we have rounded up our son and made some kind of hasty goodbye to the bride and groom.

    Fifteen minutes later, we are sitting in a Denny's feeding our toddler French fries.

    I feel it is safe to say I am the most expensively dressed women to have ever sipped a soda there. My husband is now "Super Daddy", making jokes with our son and playing peek-a-boo with the baby, and showing his evolved ability to live fully in the moment, and even smiling at strangers at other booths. I am in a daze. I feel I've been shot out of a cannon to land there.

    Why did I wake up to this memory? Well, yesterday, I did see a production of "The Taming of the Shrew" and couldn't believe how much Petrucchio reminded me of my husband as he carted Kate away from her family, starved her, made a mockery of her wedding day, and "tamed" her into calling the sun the moon because he said so...

    Having wasted the first hour of my day to write this down...I feel purged..better than when I awoke at least. We carry so much within us...those experiences we can hardly believe happened. Put yours here, too, if it brings relief. This is a place that gets it.

  • Adversarial Relationship With Adversarial Relathionships by: kellyj 8 years 5 months ago

    I just had an epiphany of sorts...not that this is anything knew...but coming to a speculation I've had for years in an understanding of it better.  The epiphany...is within this possible new understanding.

    I'm posing this as a possible answer to something that I have been aware of for many years that is a real stumbling block to understanding between myself and most women I've known including my own immediate family.  The key that helped me figure this out was from Brene Brown and her discussion of shame and vulnerability and how there is definite schism that is created by this defined "difference" that seems apparent between men and women.  Not all....but in varying degrees from one to the other depending on many things I believe.  And from that schism....comes a different language and each one has a different meaning or understanding of the same word as it is used.  I've been testing this theory with my wife...and so far...it seems to be playing out as my theory seems to holds true to a certain degree.  This is speculative mind you and is only my personal theory based on what I have observed.  I'm saying that to make sure I establish my own objective stance in order to see this and there is no judgment, opinion or personal feelings attached to it in a more scientific approach as a researcher...not a participant.  Just the facts maam....as I see them.

    Observations:

    The word adversary can be seen from two different perspectives:

    1)  As the enemy

    2) As an opponent

    Depending on which one you see this...will change your relationship to it.

    From a possibly more male way of seeing this as the first pick of the two.  An opponent...is just someone who is on the opposing side of any game, sport or challenge when the objective is to win.  In a game or sporting event....that is the objective.  But your opponent is not your enemy.....it could be...they might even be your best friend.

    In my own life....this was exactly the case.  My best friend growing up....was on my sports team.  In fact....most of all my friends growing up were on sporting teams of some kind.  Off the field, pool, or gym.....they were my friends.  On several occasions and one in particular.....my very best friend was doing something that mad me so angry....that I punched him in the face so hard...it rang his bell for a moment and stunned him to the point of almost going unconscious.  Within minute of this event....we were right back to being best of friends.   Even after this event...he wasn't my enemy...and I wasn't his almost immediately after.

    The same thing with all my friends who were involved in the same way.  As soon as we were side by side playing against each other as opponents.  Our friendship had nothing to do with the fact that I was going to try my best to win and beat them as best I could and no holds were barred to get there.  There is politeness or courtesy involved when you are playing to win.  Your opponent...could be your best friend or even someone you hated...and it doesn't make a difference.  You separate them from any personal feeling you have....and you pour everything you have against them in order to win as your opponent.  It is the very nature of competition and the competition itself...is what you Love and enjoy about it.  This is a competitive mind set...that is clearly separate from any personal feelings you have for the other person. 

    And as soon as the game ends and is over....you go right back to being best friends whether they beat you or not.  Winning and losing...is part of competition and this you learn from a very early age when you learn to play sport or in the world of growing up as a boy.  It's just part of it and you learn this from a very early age and .....for some like myself....you learn to love this relationship and enjoy engaging in it as often as you can because you Love being in this kind of adversarial relationship.

    As I thought about this....I went yes.....I Love adversarial relationships like this and seek them out when ever I can.  I love competition and I love playing because....this is where I find the most rewarding experiences that make my life complete in the world of recreation and play.  Winning or losing is irrelevant....it's being in this kind of adversarial relationship itself is what is the best part of it.

    So to say I have an adverse reaction to being adversarial is completely false.  Looking at it from this perspective.....I Love being adversarial in terms of recreation and fun.  I don't mind losing at all...since losing is part of the game.  In fact....there can only one winner in each event....which means...mostly....you lose more than you win anyway....it's just part of it if you want to play.

    But what if?

    You hate to lose. And don't have any drive to win anything?  You don't like competition.  You aren't competitive and get nothing out it...in fact....you don't like it at all?  You don't like to be adversarial at any time even for recreation. You don't like the feeling or idea of trying to beat your best friend and win at all costs.  And you certainly don't like the fact that your best friend has this thinking about you that they will beat you as soon as you slip up or make a mistake at your own expense and they are purposely trying to beat you...not be your friend that you can trust to let you win just to be a good friend if your down.  Of course not.  You're an opponent silly.  And their your opponent in turn. 

    As I'm seeing this....there is difference between playing a game for fun and recreation....and serious competition.  Serious competition....is a mind set that you learn in how to separate yourself....from your any friendship and loyalties you have off the field.  As soon as you walk of the field....no loyalty or courtesies extended you by your friends exist any more.

    And you learn the only way to beat your opponent....is your ability to see them as your adversary with no personal feelings extended to them what so ever.  In the world of serious competitive sports it's always 'Kill or be Killed" whether it's your best friend or not.

    So in that what if scenario....and this all sound horrible to you and you cannot understand why anyone would even want to do this or get anything out of it...and how could you want to willing go against your best and closest friend in this way and then just forget about what just happened...... and be perfect friends again in a matter of moments after they or you just did their best...to not be your friend in any way possible and do everything in their power to go directly against you in every way?

    And if... you cannot understand the difference between recreational sports for fun and enjoyment.....and serious competition like I just described where it is not fun and games and serious business?

    The I think....you might have a completely different relationship with the word adversarial and opponent....and the word competition.

    And if that's the case.....these words and how you feel about them....will have a completely different meaning.

    Like I said.....I Love competition....both for fun and in serious competition in sports and in recreation.  Love it...Love it...Love it

    I hate to be competitive otherwise especially in personal relationships.  I hate it....hate it....hate it

    Competition only has one acceptable place as far as I can see it......business and sports.  No other place.

    Adversarial relationship however....happens in personal relationships all the time, every where you go....but it's not competitive in the same way as it is with serious competition.  The goal is not to win...the goal is for resolution.  This seems to get very confusing for some as far as I can?  I might say  win/win  win/lose or use those terms....but it's not a competition...it's a way to describe whether something is good for you or bad for you or to describe whether it good for both people by using those definitions to make those determinations.

    The only reason I'm even including this at all...is from what I have discovered more recently with my wife.

    I have a clear and well understanding about everything I've just read.  Each one different....and each one has there own specific place and there are no over laps or confusing them.  The are all completely separate concepts and within them .....a completely different set of well defined and understood rules to follow.  There is no confusion in my mind what so ever between each distinct category.

    Yet....the words to describe all the categories....are exactly the same.  Yet each word....having multiple meanings and understandings.

    And as I am coming to better understand with my wife and how she sees the word adversarial....it only has one meaning to her.....enemy.  And you can't Love or even like....your enemy...let alone...have one as your best friend.

    Where that leaves me in all of this....is trying to find a completely different word or way to say the same thing I know...to have the very well defined specific meaning that I know....but my wife can't understand how a word like adversarial can mean anything other than associated with all things bad, evil and no good and completely negative.

    How could anyone Love to be adversarial?  There must be something wrong with you?  You must be of evil mind and the enemy?

    I don't know how to give someone my experience to tell them they're wrong?

    Conclusions  (based on my own personal witness to this schism? )

    As I see the difference between men and women in society...the most defining thing that stands out to me is.....women are in competition 24/7 with each other.  This is a sociologic phenomenon due to the inherent place or order in which they are born and where they see their value as an individual and even within society.  As seen as a commodity....a woman's inherent value lies heavily on their appearance outwardly.  Not just physical appearance...but appearance in relationship to their environment as a home maker, as a wife and their desirability to men.  These are all things external rather than internal.

    If I draw from this conclusion...one would associate competition as either being wanted or unwanted due to this kind of class distinction or "case" system that is created by this.  In other words right from the get go.....comparisons are being made as to physical appearance and sexual desirability right from the get go.  Look at those kiddie beauty pageants for an example of this. (my personal opinion for what it's worth?  yuck!! ) But it does fit the model and to each their own.

    And for that matter....look at the big girl beauty pageants:

      bathing suit competition:....gotta get a good look at that body you know. (and those hooters...don't kid yourself )lol

      talent competition:...singing, dancing, and musical instruments mostly.  Hey...if your going parade yourself around naked....lets add some entertainment while we're at it boys.

     compulsory competition: "All I want is world peace" Sounds good to me....next!!! lol

    enough said there...lol

    Back to the topic.  So I see this....woman are born into competition with each other whether they like it or not.....and with being born into it....they are born with "talent" as used in a derogatory demeaning kind of way.

    I think they say that the % of woman born to be Super Models is like 4-5% or all woman.  Where does that leave the other 95%....in shame for the rest of their lives?  I think so.  Which is not something that you can just overlook or ignore.  This is not by choice


    This is either something that the 95% who are not Super Models to sort out and contend with on their own.  Even if you don't buy this or join into it....it's still there whether you like it or not.

    I see this.....woman...are their own worst enemies not as individuals....but to each other.  And if I didn't make it clear that I can see this or understand it....you'll just have to take my word for it.

    So now if you apply what I said about a possibly more male perspective as they experience competition and being adversarial?  This does take on a different meaning.  Not all men like sports or were serious competitors like I was and there's nothing wrong with that.  But there's also nothing wrong with enjoying it and liking to be adversarial and aggressive like this either.  As I've said....by nature....I'm more passive....but not in competition and in the arena of sports or being adversarial.  Nature does not automatically trump  nurture and they can co-exist splendidly and are not in competition with each other as defined. 

    You can be both or neither and it makes no difference at all.

    But as I am saying all of this.....if you disagree or it doesn't sound right?  I'm wondering if the reason why you feel that way has anything to do with not being able to see the difference or even realize that this exist?

    Men for the most part....are pretty equal from the get go.  Not until you get older and start having to prove things like this on the playing field or in your job or business do the same kind of things really start coming into play as they do for a woman but....as soon as you walk off the playing field or return home from your job.  That competition between men...pretty much disappears completely.

    And because I can see all of this pretty clearly....I've also experienced weird times my life where I had this feeling like someone was trying to compete with me...where it didn't seem to fit one of these defined categories and following those well defined rules that boys learn early in life especially in the world of sports and competition.  It's like...."why are you competing with me?  Where's the goal post?"

    In my theory.....I think what I'm saying is the reason why?

    J

     

  • Advise For Everyone....How To Be the Ball by: kellyj 8 years 5 months ago

    I remembered something, that was passed along to me from a friend who was an athlete and competitor, as a means to focus during a sporting event to perform at your best and not let you mind get the better of you and "play tricks one you". If you've read any of the struggles I've had with my wife (who is not ADHD)...what I have really discovered mostly....and what I have had to face personally, is getting past those "distortions" or distorted perceptions....while having to deal with someone else who is really struggling in this area themselves at the same time.

    "Distortions" ...as I have now come to understand term....are these very "tricks" that your mind plays on you and if you believe them or don't find a way past them....they will really screw you up and make dealing with all the challenges you face even more difficult.

    The BIG LIE.....as I'm calling it....is when any person, ADHD or non-ADHD ....actually believes these distortions and is fooled or tricked into believing what their mind is telling them. And what one will conclude from this as a consequence....is also not not true. And finally..... the behaviors and actions that follow suit....will go according to this mis-belief. Simple enough to understand I think?

    So speaking for myself now....the one with ADHD. It really did take a third party (my Therapist) to help me resolve all those distortions I had about myself...which simply came from not knowing I had ADHD....which is at the source of many of those distortions in the first place. If you don't have that one piece of the puzzle to make a complete picture that you can see in it's entirety....all you can do is rationalize your behavior and try and fill in the blanks with those distortions again. I think this a common phenomenon with a person who might be diagnosed later in life like myself....until you get the right cause...and then go right to the source of these distorted perceptions .....so you can do something about them which is reason for all those behaviors in the first place. I know for myself...it took some work to figure this all out but I can also give hope to anyone reading this who is with someone in this kind of denial.....that as soon as you do this....those distortions will eventually disappear as well. At least the ones that are ADHD related.

    Having said that.....distortions and denial are not limited to ADHD and everyone has them to some degree or another. Even for someone not in denial and you don't think you have distortions or your reality.......read this exerpt from NFL Football Coach Jimmy Johnson about distorted perceptions....

    Focus on the 2x4 ( How to Be the Ball ).... excerpt from Jimmy Johnson talking about how he prepared his team for the Super Bowl in 1993:

    "I told them: if I laid a two-by-four across the room, everybody there could walk across it and not fall, because our focus would be that we were going to walk that two-by-four.

    But if I put that same two-by-four ten stories high between two buildings, only a few would make it, because the focus would be on falling.

    Then I said, your focus right now has to be as if we're playing on the practice field in front of nobody.

    If you let it overwhelm you that it'll be the most watched sporting event in the world, that there will be 3,000 media people here - if you make it bigger than life it will be a distraction. ( adding here....and your perceptions will become distorted )

    And that's the crux of this game. ( Or being successful in your relationship...that's the game in this case. The big picture and the forest from the trees )

    Focus on the two-by-four. Be the Ball (focus on yourself and what you should be doing....instead of what your partner is doing and the problems they appear to cause you in trying to achieve your own personal goals of success. You can't be successful in your relationship...if you are putting all your focus on another person while trying to do that at the same time )

    Ultimately....you do have to do both....but you can't get there by not being the Ball and focusing on the two-by-four at all. It won't work if you are doing just one or the other so staying focused on the job at hand....will get you to the place where you will have this ability....once you come to terms with this is exactly what you need to do first.

    Becoming overwhelmed with this process....is what causes those distortions for everyone....not just for the person who has ADHD.

    The problem or challenge for a person with ADHD right from the start as I am now seeing this.....is they have two things they have to be focusing on. Getting their symptoms under control......and getting out of any kind of denial and getting rid of those distortions directly related to this experience. That's just the personal goal or obstacle you have to overcome.

    The second challenge....is doing that while trying to focus on your relationship and your partner at the same time. This addition to the first challenges....leads to becoming overwhelmed and becoming ineffective at doing anything well after a while.

    Going along with this same way of seeing this.....

    For the partner who doesn't have ADHD......the challenges and the process for someone ADHD in doing this for themselves....and if they are not focusing on you at the same time along the way....will lead you to the same place as they are. Feeling neglected and dismissed and then focusing on them and how to fix them or change them in order to eliminate the problems associated with their ADHD partners inabilities in over coming their own personal challenges.

    When this happens.....the ADHD partners ability to focus on what they are doing, leads them to become overwhelmed and ineffective in achieving their own personal goals and what they really need to be focusing on instead....because that is getting hijacked by their ADHD partners inability in the same way.

    If both people are so focused on each other.....neither one is focusing on the job at hand which is your relationship itself. When this happens.....both people become overwhelmed and begin to have those distortions or perception for exactly the same reason as I am now seeing this ....and I hope I am seeing this clearly enough to say this.

    You have the Forest. And you have the Trees. In order for the Forest to be healthy.....you have to make sure the Trees are too. And in order to do this....you have to take care of both at the same time or neither one will remain healthy and the Forest will die.

    However....the wrong way to get their is to focus entirely on the Forest....or entirely on the trees.

    The one sure fire way to fail in every case without exception.....is to be focusing all your attention on either one tree or the other. Either your tree....or the other persons. When you do this one fatal mistake......the Forest will die.

    And as Coach Jimmy Johnson pointed out to his players before winning the Super Bowl.....the only way to win the game, keep for Forest Healthy and have a successful relationship.....you have to Be the Ball and focus on the two-by-four in order to do this.

    I think this is the way to keep those distorted perceptions to a minimum and to keep from becoming overwhelmed yourself. If you're going to be the Captain of your own ship......the Captains physical and mental health is imperative to make it to your destination.

    Being the Ball, focusing on the two-by-four is the only way to get there for each person. That's your responsibility to your relationship...not just to yourself. You are a team remember....and you've got a job and responsible to the team to do that for yourself whether you have ADHD or not.

    This is how I'm seeing it......you don't have to agree with me. I'm just a guy who trying to figure all of this out and who has my own personal opinion about this and just giving the same advise I give to myself:)

  • Loop 'Da' Loop ? by: ADH9er 8 years 5 months ago

    Anyone Here, familiar with the posted relational wariness of ADH9er & I'm so exhausted, willing to offer their impartial, outside-looking-in observation of our dizzying flatlining cycle ?  (Your honesty and 'shorter winded-ness' would be much appreciated by the guy asking the question) Thanks

  • Multiple problems: accusations, misinterpretations, blame always on me, EXTREME name calling, constant "joking" putting me down by: Moon_N_Back12.21.12 8 years 5 months ago

    I'm so overwhelmed I don't know where to begin. My husband and I have been married for 3 years in July. When we first started dating, he was only concerned about himself and didn't give any thought or consideration to me or to his kids. From day 1 I became the caretaker to his children taking them to school and back since I had a car. Giving baths, doing homework etc. on top of taking care of my own priorities and job (he didn't work when we met). He would randomly leave during the day or in the middle of the night without me knowing going to see his exes  (2 previous relationships resulting in 4 children) and stay gone for days while I looked after his kids..then come back when he felt like it and act as if nothing had happened and refuse to give me an explanation.  Needless to say things were very very rocky in the first year, but he drastically changed fairly quickly and we got married within that first year and were expecting our first child together. Near the end of my pregnancy I had to quit working because my body just wouldn't let me be very active with chronic back pain and heartburn. Fast forward to today and we have two gorgeous babies and I've been a stay at home mom for 2 1/2 years since my first was born. I'd love to go back to work, but my husband has told me numerous times that he would rather I stay at home and take care of the kids and house so that's what I did. However, anytime a fight rises, he's extremely fast to call me a lazy worthless b**** because I don't have a job and all I do is take care of kids. (He obviously doesn't know what it takes to be a 24/7/365 parent.) If I try to voice my opinion or express how I'm feeling and what's on my mind and he doesn't feel like hearing it, I get told that all I do is complain and that I'm an unappreciative spoiled brat. If a real argument arises, rather than attempt to take the time to work it out like an adult, he starts being as hateful and hurtful as possible trying to destroy me with the most horrible name calling you could imagine. Bringing up things from the past and throwing them in my face, anything he can do to hurt me as much as possible and watch me cry. Then once we go our separate ways and cool off he comes back to me sometimes as soon as 10 minutes later and apologizes for the way he is and says he's sorry and was wrong and expects me to just forget about it, never trying to talk out the source of the problem.  And this is almost every single argument.  Then there's the accusations. Today for example, I spent an hour and a half cleaning ours and the kids bedrooms while also watching my 2 year old and 8 month old so he could play his video game. I asked him to watch the baby for a second so I could put the clothes and hangers away. After I put the clothes away, I sat on the bed to rest a minute and check my notifications on my phone.  All of a sudden I hear him hollering for me like he needed me so I jumped up real quick and tossed my phone down to see what was wrong but instead he starts questioning me about what I was doing on my phone when I said all I had to do was put clothes away and why I "suspiciously" jumped up in a hurry and threw my phone down. I guess the obvious reason wasn't what he wanted to hear so he starts saying "what were you really doing on your phone? Who were you talking to" I got up and showed him my phone and that I was checking my Facebook but he still insists that I was up to no good. I just don't understand why he acts and treats me the way he does. I literally stay at home with the kids all day, so how could I be cheating on him or seeing someone behind his back? Rational reasoning and thinking doesn't work when it comes to him. Can anyone help me figure this out? It's beginning to wear me down and I'm not sure how much longer I can let myself be treated poorly no matter how much I love him. 

  • Amazing videos on Youtube by: dedelight4 8 years 5 months ago

    I'm,not sure if this man's name has been brought up before, but I've been watching many  videos on YouTube, that are truly some of the most informative and engaging videos I've EVER seen on the subject of AdHD. He is knowledgeable and seems to  understand just about everything there is to know about ADHD and co-morbidity. He is Dr. RUSSELL BARKLEY, and he has many videos available.

          There is one especially good on "The importance of emotion in ADHD. I hope you guys check them out, and let me know what you think.

    Dede

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