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  • Doubts by: jackrungh 11 years 7 months ago

    I am am about a month into this process of learning about ADHD and attempting to put in place some structure to mitigate my symptoms. There is so much overlap to our(wife and I) situation that I am confident that this is the root of the issue, but the more I read the more the overall summary of ADHD seems to veer off my experience. Specifically I was reading part of Melissa's book last night:

    "It’s like listening to a radio station with a lot of static and you have to strain to hear what’s going on. Or, it’s like trying to build a house of cards in a dust storm. You have to build a structure to protect yourself from the wind before you can even start on the cards.
    In other ways it’s like being supercharged all the time. You get one idea and you have to act on it, and then, what do you know, but you’ve got another idea before you’ve finished up with the first one, and so you go for that one, but of course a third idea intercepts the second, and you just have to follow that one, and pretty soon people are calling you disorganized and impulsive and all sorts of impolite words that miss the point completely. Because you’re trying really hard. It’s just that you have all these invisible vectors pulling you this way and that, which makes it really hard to stay on task. Plus, you’re spilling over all the time. You’re drumming your fingers, tapping your feet, humming a song, looking here, looking there, stretching, doodling, and people think you’re not paying attention or that you’re not interested, but all you’re doing is spilling over so that you can pay attention. I can pay a lot better attention when I’m taking a walk or listening to music or even when I’m in a crowded, noisy room than when I’m still and surrounded by silence.
    What is it like to have ADHD? Buzzing. Being here and there and everywhere. Someone once said, 'Time is the thing that keeps everything from happening all at once.' Time parcels moments out into separate bits so that we can do one thing at a time. In ADHD, this does not happen. In ADHD, time collapses. Time becomes a black hole. To the person with ADHD it feels as if everything is happening all at once. This creates a sense of inner turmoil or even panic. The individual loses perspective and the ability to prioritize. He or she is always on the go, trying to keep the world from caving in on top."

    Almost none of this is familiar. My brain isn't noisy and I don't feel like thoughts are in static. I don't feel overactive or impulsive. I tend to launch into whatever task comes in front of me, but not compulsively so. It's just a coping mechanism to get work done, going into a blaze of productivity is how my mind prefers to work. When I focus on something I only jump to other tasks in the same genre. If I'm cleaning I might leave every room cluttered with things off the floor because I'm sweeping the floor, and eventually when I'm done with sweeping I'll come back and do another subtask on all the rooms. My wife hates visible disorder and leaving the room unfinished drives her nuts. If I'm going down to the deep-freeze in the basement I'll see the laundry and cycle loads, coming back up with clean laundry and the frozen item. I have forgotten it entirely, but that is usually something I catch myself doing as I start to leave the basement. I guess on this one there is more overlap, but I really don't feel these "invisible vectors" pulling me any which way. It's just what is in front of my face and the actions triggered by looking at that scene.

    I can be totally still and serene. I have meditated without much issue, and working in complete silence is not a problem. I do not often tap or hum, and no one has ever commented that I'm fidgeting. Turmoil, panic, buzzing, static; I know not these things. There is only nonthought and the weight of knowing how much is stashed away.

    Time doesn't seem to happen all at once. The thing that really makes me wonder about ADHD is that I am not "busy", I do not initially feel inadequate (And when I come to reality I don't think I am garbage[In the wrong, and definitely messed-up, but not worthless]), I don't hesitate or distrust myself. As a teenager I was one arrogant bastard, and all the more encouraged because I could often live up to the arrogance. I deflect. I rationalize without being conscious of the rationalization process. I just do not think of things. The more I perceive a task/subject to be unpleasant, the more likely it is that it will vanish in the void. I lie and fabricate, tell the best possible version of events, and charm people. I often think about that classic trait of serial killers: superficial charm. I do this without intent or malice or any kind of ulterior motive, and there is no man behind the curtain gleefully watching the facade. If there is any motivation or introspection about this behavior, it is to realize the phrase, "everything's gonna be alright." When I was three and anything bad happened, my mother has told me I would hug the injured person and say these exact words.

    Right now I am typing here instead of doing work, and I assume that it will be fine because when I get on the conference call things will always turn the way that makes me look responsible. Most of the time I'll fly through an ultra-productive binge and get it all caught up, but I seem to crave falling behind. That stimulation of a crisis scenario definitely plays to me as ADHD.

    I'm on Vyvance and about to do the second jump up in dosage (to about the middle of the recommended range), and have not felt any massive change. Perhaps the fact that I've been on these forums seeking some kind of help and reading up on it is an effect of the Vyvance. I've been on Wellbutrin for years to combat depression, and I am certain that whatever disorder this is, dopamine is a huge factor. I'm just afraid that I'm barking up the wrong tree and wasting more time that my marriage cannot afford.

    P.S I always, always re-read online postings like this and made edits and modifications with the reader's POV in mind, but perhaps by not doing this my honest attempt to be "real" on these forums will be even more "real." I've not gone back and edited since finishing the narrative, but I cannot stop myself from going back and fixing spelling/grammatical mistakes. No content was harmed in the making of this vainly revised post.

  • My first post by: tfarmer 11 years 7 months ago

    I have read Melissa’s book ( and several others regarding ADHD ) and have read many posts in this forum over the past few months.  I still do not know some of the acronymns but decided it was time to throw our story out there to see if anyone had comments or could offer any insight.


    I am the Non-ADHD spouse.  My wife and I dated for five years prior to getting married and have now been married for six months ( 2nd for both of us ). Of course during that time I noticed certain eccentricities, in fact I used to tease her about being my “Fifty first Dates” girl.  About 18 months ago she was diagnosed with ADHD, like many this came after her daughter was diagnosed and she recognized some symptoms in herself. She has been on medications since.  I personally did not give it too much thought at the time as I recognized some of the eccentricities may be part of ADHD, and the medication would help her focus.
    While our dating relationship was certainly not without conflict we always seemed to work things out cooperatively.  What I was not at all prepared for was what one author calls “the big switcheroo”.  Literally the day after returning from our honeymoon it seemed I was living with a totally different person!  The somewhat absent minded, caring person I dated was gone.  It was like Dharma had been transformed into the Tasmanian Devil!  WTF??  It appeared to be a complete disconnect regarding our relationship.  There appeared to be a seething rage and defensiveness lying just below the surface that is exposed at the suggestion that we have an issue for which she may be responsible.  So I started reading and wound up here.
    Some background … My wife was the valedictorian in her high school class, received academic scholarships that allowed her to graduate from a highly respected private college. During college she married and gave birth to two children.  After graduation she took over a business founded by her father, while raising the children, coaching Jr., high sports, and successfully competing in international martial arts competitions.  She later sold the business.  Today she is a manager at a fortune 100 company and really does not struggle keeping a job like many with ADHD. Although she has to work to get there on time.
     

    To say the least she is not lazy, and does a lot around the house.  In my mind she is grossly inefficient as to how she does it but that is okay.  For example, I was recently out of town on a business trip for a week.  When I returned the vaccum cleaner was sitting in the same spot in the living room as when I left. She said she actually vacuumed several times while I was gone but just put it in the same place … in front of the closet door where it belongs!


    She does, however struggle with most, if not all of the classic ADHD symptoms described in the books and on this forum.  No concept of time, terrible with spending and finances ( bankruptcy 2 yrs. ago ), impulsiveness,  clutter, losing things daily, etc. Given these symptoms and considering her accomplishments it is clear she has developed a fairly refined coping strategy.  More on this to come.


    Now for my part.  I am certainly not OCD but have been called a neat freak a few times.  Pretty much a place for everything, everything in its place kind of guy.  I know, right, a match made in heaven LOL.  We now live in my house, the same place I lived for six years alone.  My space was like a Zen retreat.  No matter how crazy things got I could always retreat to my place and recharge.  Needless to say that is no longer the case.  We manage to keep the living room, kitchen and dining room fairly organized but the rest of the house looks like a war zone most of the time. That drives me crazy.  I created a TINY den we call “the man room”.  Unfortunately the laundry area is off this room.  Even though we have discussed many times that is my space she views it as a staging area for laundry, which is one of her chores.
     

    Prior to recognizing the pervasiveness of ADHD we had some pretty awful symptom, response, response arguments.  I have been verbally abusive to her on many occasions and self medicated with alcohol a lot.  I have come to understand that I did this to try to stem the anger I felt but it got to the point it no longer worked!


    The more I read about ADHD I came to realize that with the exception of perhaps two, every woman with whom I have had a serious relationship was most likely ADHD, including my ex-wife!  So the anger that I felt was not just from this but had accumulated over the course of several relationships with no idea as to the root cause of the problems.  Wow!


    So with all of this background I wanted to share my observations and thoughts on ADHD.  I believe the coping strategy my wife uses has served her quite well until I came along.  All of the situations in which she has succeeded have involved short lived, somewhat disjointed, fast paced decision making.  Her first marriage was a train wreck.  She now has to deal with someone that will recall she said “ it was blue” last Wednesday and today claims she said “it was red”.  This stupid little hypothetical is the very core of most of our conflicts.


    I am not a therapist but it appears to me that my wife’s coping strategy is a sort of algorithm she runs her head.  In her algorithm she does not look at the face value of what is said, but instead performs a kind of analysis regarding the other person.  This includes the other person’s body language, attempts to discern their motivations … “Why are they asking this? What are the implications of this response versus that one? What do they expect to hear? What answer will serve me best? Etc.” this has led her to reply to a simple question or respond to statement from me that has absolutely nothing to do with the question or statement I made.  It may also result in her making a statement that is completely contradictory to something she said as recently as a few minutes prior.  As you might imagine it takes some time for her to run this algorithm so she employs delay tactics to allow it to run it’s cycle and cover up forgetfulness.
     

    A hypothetical example of this would be if I ask a simple question, “ Was it blue?”
    Her:  Ummm, let me see … it was wet
    Me:  Yeah but was it blue?
    Her:  I saw it again yesterday.
    Me:  Look, I just asked you if it was blue!
    Her:  Why do you need to know if it was blue?
    Me:  I am curious, I just want to know if the stupid thing was blue for crying out loud!
    Her:  Stop attacking me!


    She uses the words “ I don’t know” or “I forgot” all too infrequently.  She would rather dive into an argument than admit either of those.


    So now I am attacking her.  Not because of the questions, but because I am asking her a question she cannot answer, or I am asking at a rate that is faster than the cycle of her algorithm.  Furthermore the algorithm exists only to serve her as an individual.  It does not allow for her as part of a functioning relationship.  I get too close.


    So here we are in argument … not about whether something was blue …  but why she thinks I am attacking her. And why I think she thinks I am attacking her. 


    Me: I am not attacking you, why do you think that?  I just asked you a simple question.
    Her:  You are attacking. You keep asking me the same question!
    Me:  That is because it is a simple question and you have not answered it!!!  You don’t remember do you?
     

    At his point the argument is in full swing and her pattern is as follows almost every time with various statements.
     

    1. Excuses.
    I don’t want to talk about this anymore.  I am tired.
    I have not slept well in two nights, I can’t think now.
    I have not been to yoga in two days, I can’t think now.
    I am sore from my workout …
    I have not eaten enough today …


    Me: Those are just excuses.  Just answer the stupid question.


    2. Attempt to shift the blame, make it my fault in her eyes.
    I am upset now, how do you expect me to answer it?  Maybe I could if you didn’t attack!
    I only told you about this to try to be nice to you.  Why do you want a fight?
    You are just being selfish again!
    You need to get over yourself!


    Me:  Look I am not attacking you.  I asked a simple question. All it requires is a simple answer.  This defensiveness you are showing is part of ADHD.  Can’t you see that?


    3. Divert the discussion.
    I don’t want to talk about this. You don’t do this with X!
    Don’t you care about X?


    Me:  X is 11 years old, you are 43, the expectations are a bit different!


    4. Confrontation
    You are such a hypocrite!
    Why are you so inconsistent?
    I am who I am, and I like it.  You have a choice you know!


    Me:  I am a hypocrite because I expect different behavior form an 11 year old than a 43 year old?  You should look in the mirror more instead of worrying about other people.


    5. Passive Aggressive
    I am sorry you have to put up with me.
    I am sorry I am who I am.


    Me:  Passive aggressive.  Nice!


    6. Cynicism
    Not everyone can be as perfect as you.
    I can be perfect and never fail.

    7.  Disconnect
    I am going to bed.
    I don’t want to fight, I am going ….

    So, once again the argument results in nothing.  Once again I have gotten too close and been pushed away. Yet another day she has escaped facing her issue head on.  Once again she has sidestepped any possibility of growth or self awareness.
    This is getting really old, really fast.  Any thoughts?

  • Tax Day Frustrations by: DamnAmazon 11 years 7 months ago

    Hi! A little about me first, since this is my first post.  I'm nearing 30 and have been happily unmarried to my ADHD man for six years and change.  I know this site is all about ADHD and marriage, but not everyone can marry, and some of us choose not to.  Almost everything is still germane to any long-term relationship with an ADHD partner, so I've been finding the site very helpful!

    I feel luckier than many on here.  I did not have to fight my SO to accept his ADHD - when we began seeing each other, he already knew he had it.  I DID have to fight him to get medication, but he does take it and it seems to help with his symptoms.  He is self-employed and supports our living expenses while I go through professional school.  While he does not make the kind of money he could if he were a bit more hyperactive-ADHD and less attention-deficit-ADHD (like his crazily energetic father is), he works and earns enough for us to live on at the moment.  He also is pretty good about doing chores around the house, but only if I ask and point them out to him.  Dividing chores helped our chore disagreements.  He does the dishes, period.  I do the bathroom, period.  When there are dishes in the sink, it's obviously his problem and when the bathroom's gross it's obviously mine, so we don't have the I-did-dishes-six-times-this-week-it's-your-turn fight.  Although he is happy to leave dishes festering for days at a time, which annoys me and on occasion I'll just do them.  I generally do the cooking, and I feel constantly irritated when I get home from a day of classes and work to start our dinner and I can't even fill a pot.

    One of the reasons (and I have many, but I won't get into the non-germane ones) that I do not want to marry is that I know my way around ADHD, and I know that I have to keep my boundaries for our relationship to work.  I grew up raised by an ADHD mother, and two of my siblings are medicated for ADHD right now.  I think one of the reasons my relationship with my loving, caring SO has worked for us is because I have been around people with ADHD all my life, and I have a greater tolerance than most for the difficulties that ADHD people unintentionally inflict on others.  I know how to wrangle people with ADHD, how to support and love them, and how to ask for things.  Most of the time we do well.  I know one of my difficulties is that I fear the blowback of my SO's inevitable fuckups, so I nag and nag and take on the stress of his responsibilities that he puts off until the last second.  I know keeping his problems as his problems and not letting them become my problems is a challenge, which is why I will never marry him or have children with him, despite our commitment to being partners for life.  It's a lucky thing that I do not want children, and that he is fine with not having them, because having children with a person that you cannot rely on as a co-parent would be my vision of hell.

    At any rate, I'm writing today because tax day is always a problem in this house.  I get my taxes done at least a month ahead of tax day.  My SO literally JUST finished and closed out his browser, and it's 11 p.m. on the 15th.  It's not that he didn't see it coming.  I have been telling him for a month that it's approaching.  Almost every day I reminded him of how close tax day was getting.  His not taking care of his responsibilities gives me insane stress, because I have to keep track of my responsibilities AS WELL AS his responsibilities.  He resents it, he asks that I don't do it, he doesn't want to hear about it.  I don't like it, I wish he would just do his shit on time.  I know that I am adopting his problems.  But if he screws up his taxes or files late or whatever, the consequences affect my life as well.  As much as he likes to think he lives in a vacuum and the consequences of his stupid actions affect only him, it's just not true.

    It always happens this way.  "Mr. DamnAmazon, we need to check out of the hotel by 11."  "Don't worry, we'll be fine," he says from the shower at 10:55.  We finally leave the hotel room at 11:02, and I'm so pissed I can't speak.  When we check out three minutes later, the desk gal gives us stink eye but lets it slide and doesn't charge us a late fee.  "See?  It was fine, and you were worked up for nothing," he says blithely.  And tonight: "Mr. DamnAmazon, it is 7 p.m. on tax day and you still haven't started doing your taxes.  NO, I do not want you to help me make dinner.  I want you to DO YOUR DAMN TAXES so I can stop stressing about your incompetence costing you and us."  He gives me a hurt and angry look and slams over to the computer to start.  Working WITHOUT A BREAK, he finishes at 11 p.m. and when he's done, it's the same thing.  "See?  It was fine, and you were worked up for nothing."  Never mind that if he hadn't started when I yelled at him, he would still be only halfway through.

    This happens all the time and it's wearing me out.  He has such a long history of doing this...when his car was slowly falling apart from under him and it became abundantly clear that he needed to buy a new (used) car, he waited so long on it that his car literally stopped running as he was driving to go see the car his parents' told him their mechanic was selling (I looked for cars online, emailed him listings over and over, and he did NOTHING).  The mechanic knew he had my SO over a barrel, and overcharged him thousands of dollars on a bum car with a screwed-up title.  I had told him that when his car finally gave out, he could forget calling me for a ride because I wouldn't pick him up.  And I did not.  But I'm still mad that he wasted thousands of dollars that our cash-strapped household could have used and got a crap car with title problems in the process!

    I'm tired of him pretending that the consequences of his actions only affect him, and pretending that I have no right to be angry at his behavior.  I am also tired of internalizing his problems, and getting angry and anxious every time he plays chicken with an expensive deadline.  Does anyone have advice about this?  Because it's probably the biggest problem we have as a mixed ADHD/non-ADHD couple.  I can handle the rest of it, most of the time.  But this?  It's a problem.

    EDIT: I reread this and man, I sound angry and ungrateful.  Yes, I'm so grateful he addresses his difficulties and I'm grateful to have such a sweet and loving man in my life.  There is no one that compares to the level of love and kindness my SO puts out everyday to everyone.  And I'm grateful that he is supporting us financially.  I'm grateful I can pursue my degree because he is supporting us.  I'm grateful he offered to help me make dinner.  But I'm also very angry and frustrated by having to feel like his mother sometimes, so I'm not going to edit the language I used when I first typed this up.

  • friendship, unrequited love... basically a BIG mess. by: 11fez 11 years 7 months ago

    Here's the story of my "relationship" with someone with ADHD.... I think, this might be something new for you all...

    I'm a gay guy. One day at work, a normal day, just like any other day - a new guy started. Instantly, I was attracted to him... but I knew it couldn't go anywhere - he was straight with a girlfriend, and WAY too hot for someone like me. Usually when I'd like a guy, I'd see something in his personality that would put me off - but this guy was a charmer. He was funny, and sweet, and cute - and just, perfect. Months later, after having started to avoid the guy, we started becoming friends... BUT, it was quite intense. He seemed extremely interested in me - he would text me nice things - he would invite me to hang out and smoke weed with him, week after week. We'd stay up all night. It was wonderful - and of course, I was falling in love with this guy... then one day - the attention just seemed to stop - he no longer seemed interested in me - he seemed distant...

    To cut a very very very long story short - a year and a half later, our friendship has been up and down - and quite mad.

    He was soo inconsistent, which meant, every time he'd show interest again, I'd assume he was trying to use me for something... And I'd make a point of this - and it would upset him - and he'd never understand why I would think he was just using me. He would try and assure me that he cared, and I'd constantly seek reassurance that I meant something to him - but his actions of being distant one moment and intensely interested the next proved otherwise.... Or did it?

    Y'see, early on in our friendship, having spent the night at his, I looked through one of his books of poetry and writing - and, to this day I'm not 100% sure, but I read something on the lines of him talking about "being diagnosed with ADHD". To this day, a year later, I'm still not sure what it was that I read - in my head I even doubt it, thinking maybe I misread something, trying to use it as a reason to explain his behaviour towards me.

    I guess what I need is advice.... does it sound like this guy has ADHD?

    Because since reading, whatever it was I read, I started to research the subject - and it would EXPLAIN a lot. It would explain why our friendship is such a volatile one. Two guys, one with adhd and the other soooo in love with the adhd guy. That's a bad mix right?

    I've always known, I could never have this guy. And I'm satisfied with that - but, he is the love of my life - and so in order to keep up a friendship with him, because it hurts soo much, I always felt that it had to be worth it for me - that I had to be more than just another friend to him - I wanted to be his best friend. I wanted to be the guy he trusted more than anyone else..... and this is where the reassurance thing came in. I'd always go on at him about our friendship - asking him if I meant anything to him, accusing him of using me. This stuff would upset him - or at least, he would say it did. But I could never trust him.

    At the moment we are not really talking - and I miss him, so deeply. The last time we saw eachother it was a big old drama - he had taken me away to his hometown - and it ended with me trying to tell him how he has effected my life. He didn't like this, said I was "making things worse" - said he was tired of talking about our friendship - always going round in circles.

    If he has ADHD, that would make sense right. That, ultimately he does care about me, that there is a bond - but he just cannot always show it - and will be inconsistent.

    I love this guy sooo much. I'm worried that I've become this negative force in his life - that I won't be able to regain our bond. I've given him space for a few months - but saw him last week at a work gathering. I was dreading seeing him, he told me that he had been thinking about me every day - and I sooo want to believe that - I told him to ring me every now and again, just to let me know what was going on in his life, he retorted, "YOU could CALL me y'know!" - but I can't, ever. He is prone to ignoring stuff, and it hurts when he does. It has to come from him...

    What do people think? If he has ADHD, says he cares about me, thinks about me, and yet is distance... this is normal right?

    Thing is, if I didn't have feelings for him - and I hadn't read the ADHD thing - I would have given up on him a long time ago. But, I cannot give up on him. He once told me that he ends up pushing people away - sometimes, it feels like that's what he has been trying with me- but if it's ADHD, he wouldn't be doing that on purpose, would he? - I told him I would never give up on him.

    When I saw at the work drinks, I told him, without being direct (cause he doesn't know i read the adhd thing), "I know you are inconsistent, and need your space. I will be here for you when and if you need me." Is that all I can do? Is there more I can do to support him, without him knowing that I know?

     

    any advice or opinions on this would be most welcome.

  • Monday morning by: jennalemon 11 years 7 months ago

    "The kindest thing someone can do for a practicing alcoholic is to leave him. That is because propping him up will only keep him longer away from doing something positive about himself, before it is too late. Fact is he may think he is O.K. and not that bad, if someone is putting up with him or propping him up, as the saying goes." This quote comes from http://howtosurviveaa.com.  I am not sure my dh is an alcoholic.  I do feel that beer is his best friend. It is LIKE being married to an alcoholic when the ADD spouse can't earn a living wage because of inability to focus and impulsive lack of what is appropriate.

    ADD feels like un-love because EVERYTHING is more important than me.  It is worse than un-love...it is a person who says (thinks) he is committed but then turns his back on you - it is betrayal.  I must say, both of us (dh and me) could use someone who loves us more.  Love is missing from our lives and it is causing us both stress and probably illness down the road.  Loving feelings are the balm of stress.  Without the love, the work seems pointless.

    After children grow up and pets die and friends become more distant merely because of our limited energies, you are alone with your spouse and look back on how you spent your hours and your thoughts and your purposes.  When your spouse seems to hate you, (or you lose your spouse) you wonder what to do with the rest of your life.  How to get love and purpose back into your life.  You realize that all the drama and needs of making a home and having children took up your thoughts and time and energy.  Now you must face who you thought you were and who you have become.

    This must be a difficult morning for many of us.

  • Loneliness by: Sammy-Cat 11 years 7 months ago

    Hi all

    Having been married for 20 years, 2 teenage kids my husband has recently been diagnosed with ADHD.  This put a lifetime of experiences with him into perspective. And it has put a light on my loneliness.  Reading lots of the posts here I identify and empathize with so many experiences.  

    Have had counseling and have considered my options including leaving.  I love him but I hate how he hurts me.  He has all the classic symptoms described here by many other people in posts.   The kids are aware and mostly I have protected them and taken the brunt of his moods etc.  I am at the point where I am exhausted and hurt.  He is getting counseling and taking medication and I guess we are trying to examine what is left to rebuild.  It is hard to talk to him as he gets very defensive and reactionary although it is improving.

    What I want to know is how I can support and look after myself and fill the holes in heart.  

    Any advice would be greatly appreciated .....

  • Need moral support this week by: PoisonIvy 11 years 7 months ago

    I am going through a hard time emotionally right now, because my older daughter is graduating from college next week, and I'm finding it difficult to separate my thoughts and memories of her time at college from what else has happened at the same time.  Just before she graduated from high school, approximately four years ago, my husband was fired from his job.  Although he earns a little money by working for his parents, he has not looked for a job since getting fired.  Things have been and continue to be hard for us financially, even though I've been able to work more.  My health has suffered significantly because of the stress of being the main breadwinner and the person who does the vast majority of other things to keep our household functioning.  I know, logically, that things could have been worse and that we're still better off than many people, but I'm just so sad to have my life shrouded by my husband's ineffectively treated brain disorder.  I would love to have any of you wise and compassionate people try to help me feel better this week!

  • Perspective, Mood, and Learning from Past Mistakes by: Caroline Fischer 11 years 7 months ago

    I noticed that my ADHD boyfriend's perspective on almost anything is dependent on his mood.  This presents a problem since his mood is always changing drastically.  Here's a great example:

    He recently purchased an $1800 musical instrument (with money he didn't really have by-the-way, it's ramen for him for awhile).  After receiving said instrument he was obsessed with fiddling with it hoping to "improve" it to some unreachable perfectionist state he had in his mind.  I told him he'd better stop fiddling with it and just accept it "as is" (which should have been OK since it was BRAND NEW off the factory line) or he'd end up breaking it, which of course, he did.  After he broke it he was in a very embarrassed state and was less hyper than usual and kept commenting that he should have just listened to me and that I always give such great advice etc. etc.  Well, after getting the instrument fixed by a professional, wouldn't you guess it.  He's back at fiddling with it again obsessed that what I consider to be a very normal sound for the instrument is actually an issue.  I said again to him, remember what happened last time?  You'd better stop fiddling with it.  He looked right at me with a hateful look and told me I was the most "negative" person he ever knew and that I need to "get a hold of myself".  Yup. 

    What this looks like to me is that in his lowered-energy embarrassed state he was able to see what I was saying about leaving it alone, but as soon as his hyperactivity was spurred by his happiness over the repaired instrument, he couldn't see that what I was saying was smart and just felt annoyed by my perceived criticism.  I don't really know how to manage with a person whose rationale, thoughts, and decisions can change so drastically from one moment to the next and are seemingly dependent on a wildly fluctuating mood.

    I also noticed that he has trouble learning from past mistakes because he has an almost pathological way of avoiding the negative feelings that come with failure.  I think this is true about many individuals with ADHD and I've even hypothesized that ADHD itself is actually a response or coping mechanism against dysphoria of any kind.  Without allowing themselves to feel "bad feelings" like disappointment, failure, sadness, impatience, frustration, seriousness etc. they can't learn from experiences that cause them in order to avoid them in the future.  Neuro-typical people learn from mistakes in that they avoid repeating them to avoid the negative feelings associated with the action.  My boyfriend only expresses "bad feelings" very briefly or in angry explosive rages.  I can see how ADHD symptoms themselves act as ways of avoiding feelings like sadness, disappointment etc. by using distraction and mania to divert them.  While this leads to a temporary relief it also leads to long-term issues with others and suppresses healthy expressions of emotion, and many other issues that the other 'symptoms' of ADHD cause.  It also explains why my boyfriend and many others with ADHD can not handle people "raining on their parade" so-to-speak.  For instance, my boyfriend gets very upset if I bring up ANYTHING that is unpleasant to him IN ANY WAY.  Which means, like many other ADHD couples, we can't work out our issues because I'm forbidden from even bringing them up!  Anything that could even be construed as critical or not 100% supportive is seen as "negative" and he then accuses me of being a horrible negative person (no one else I know thinks this, in fact I'm known to be one of the most positive people around).  He has a thing about not being able to be around "negative people" although his definition of negative and mine are QUITE different.  It just seems to me that individuals with ADHD try to avoid anything that isn't "very great feeling" which is why they avoid difficult tasks, arguments, chores, etc. and don't think it's BECAUSE of the ADHD as many speculate, I think it's because the ADHD itself is ACTUALLY a mechanism to avoid feeling anything but joyful or happy.  Whereas neuro-typical people can tolerate unpleasant-ness whether it is from difficult tasks, chores, important but difficult "talks" or arise from mistakes we've made.

  • Spouse won't admit nor seek help for ADHD and I am almost done! by: At_A_Loss 11 years 7 months ago

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  • Do ADHD and hoarding tendencies go hand in hand? by: I'm So Exhausted 11 years 7 months ago

    So, is this just another of the aspects of ADHD?  Hoarding?   

    I was first learning about ADHD around 1995 when my son was in first grade.  As time progressed towards high school, his backpack was definitely the 'black-hole' that is so common with ADHD children.  I could clearly understand its correlation with executive function.  He was unable to discern what to keep and what to throw away.  It seemed to never fail, if he did throw something out, he needed it at a later date.  So, his way of coping was to keep it all. 

    At age 23,  I am so glad for him that he has developed the skills to throw stuff away. Or, ask someone to help help him sort stuff out.  He trusts that I would not just pitch it all as worthless trash, as I respect/understand him. He keeps a lot of stuff I see as worthless - and I understand with his creative mind, he can come up with 101 uses for a piece of wire- practical or artistic. 

    Then we have the ADHD spouse.  Formally diagnosed 2 years ago at age 53.  I know I am singing to the choir when I say I realized my husband's ADHD in 1995, the same time as we found our son's.  

    Oh, how to untangle the hoard of stuff that burst out of my husband's work van, and the barn - upstairs and down -  and out from behind the bushes and behind the barn, and over and around his desk.  I am embarrassed to have friends come over and see what has become of our yard.  So far, we have been able to keep it in the barn and behind the barn.  But as that space has filled up, my spouse has started to complain that I am squeezing him out of our space.     

    One of the saddest things I realized in our relationship was the disappointment that our gifts and skills could not compliment each other.  I am very organized.  I THOUGHT when we married it would be a perfect blend, as I could be the helpmate who was behind the scenes keeping our lives organized.  Nope.  It was HIS stuff.  And he would not let me help him.  He sees my organizational skills as obsessive and  controlling.  Plus, he didn't want to be told what to do.  Sad.

    I am losing my grip on stuff-control.  I went back to college last January.  With not being home 24/7, the ability I had to keep the clutter at bay has diminished greatly.  Overwhelmed am I.  To the max.

     

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