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  • Social Etiquette Struggles by: engineer4god 1 year 10 months ago

    Hello everyone, I'm new here.  My name is Andy and I am actually a single man in a serious dating relationship.  The week between Christmas and new years, I stayed with my girlfriend's sister and her husband (and my girlfriend was there too).  I had a wonderful time, but after it was over, my girlfriend informed me that I was rude to her family unintentionally the whole time I was there.  I struggle a lot with social etiquette in ways most people take for granted.  Here are some examples what I struggle with:

    For example,

    -when my girlfriend's sister did things kind for me, I didn't say thank you (but I felt thankful in my heart)

    -I’m afraid to go out of my way to help someone. They have to ask me for help first. 

    -If there’s tasks needing to be done, I just stand there not knowing what to do and wait until someone tells me something specific to do.  Apparently I was expected to take the initiative to clean up around the house while I was there but I didn't know what to do so I didn't ask.

    -I’m not considerate of others in my words and actions. I say things others take the wrong way or I do things that make others think I’m rude.  While I was visiting, I meant to ask if I could stay an extra day here's how it came out of my mouth: "I've decided to stay another day" which sounded like I was making a demand.

    -In romantic relationships, I’m a passive man and it typically leads to a breakup. My girlfriend felt hurt by an unkind comment of her brother-in-law.  She was uncharacteristically quiet the rest of the time but I failed to take notice of it and comfort her.

    -At another gathering (thanksgiving), I put a hot metal bowel from the oven on her uncle's nice wooden table without a hot pad because I wasn't paying attention.

    We've been dating for five months now and I had warned her of my ADHD, but she hadn't seen it really take effect until I visited her family.  It hurt and concerns her so much that she says if I can't fix this, she'll have to break up with me because she doesn't think she'll be able to tolerate it.  I love her dearly and really do not want to break up, but I fear it's impossible to completely fix everything even if I try.  She is more of the mindset that actions speak louder than words so she can't trust me until she sees results.  This hurts me a lot because I feel it's not my fault.  She acknowledges that it's not my fault but it still bothers her and she cannot tolerate it.  Is there any way I can get past this issue and learn social etiquette as an adult?

  • Christmas venting by: Dagmar 1 year 10 months ago

    This year has just been so bad.   I had my annual freakout where I started thinking about moving out, but settled for announcing that I just couldn't do it all and that I was overwhelmed and it wasn't fair.   So ADHD husband did pick up some slack, but I still had to re-clean before guests came over, and now to protests from the family while I did it (yes, you did vacuum, but you didn't make sure the vacuum picked everything up and the floor is covered with popcorn).   But then he didn't get me a Christmas gift and on Christmas morning everyone opened ALL the gifts I purchased them and I just sat there and watched. And then I had to be the holiday cruise director.   Finally, last night husband was doing the one thing I have passed on to him (taking the kids to music lessons) and it was a mess because when I added him to the emails with the music teacher, he was only replying to me and not the teacher and she had no idea we were continuing with the lessons.  

    It's so much.  I'm tired of having to be involved with every detail of everything.  

  • Need to vent but any advice is appreciated by: K. 1 year 10 months ago

    My husband is diagnosed but untreated.  I just feel like I'm lost.  I'm out of energy and burned out and don't know what to do to get over the anger, disappointment, and resentment.  

    This morning is a typical example.  He was supposed to be up to deal with a contractor about a problem with our home.  He knows WAY more about this than I do.  He was well aware of the appointment time and even said several times yesterday evening that he had to be up to handle it.  Well, he stayed up until 6am this morning watching a new series on Netflix.  Now, he's tired and "needs his rest", so guess who has to deal with the contractor.  I can't even make the final decision because it's his credit card.  So... waste of time, and now the man has to come out again another day.  I know this is how it goes, usually, so I was up, showered and ready early.  I'm working on the housework and laundry.  We go over the next day's list every night, but I can't count on him to follow through.  

    I think that is the worst thing.  I can't count on him for anything.  I do the majority of the housework, and 99% of the mental work of running a home.  He doesn't work.  Right now, he spends more time in bed than he does out of it.  On a good day, he might be out of bed 12 hours.  He doesn't sleep all that time.  He plays on his phone and watches TV a LOT.  I feel like the only adult in the relationship.  I've kind of forced cooking dinner on him, but I still have to do all the planning, shopping, tell him what to make, and, of course, remind him it's time to start cooking.  As of last Saturday, the lease is up on our car, but he hasn't dealt with that either.  It's in his name, so I can't.  

    He claims he does so much, that he doesn't have time to do things.  It makes me want to scream.  Most days, he does nothing more than get a shower, eat a meal, maybe cook dinner, and possibly make the bed.  I'm not kidding!  It is that bad.  And when I ask him what all he did, there is silence or anger, lashing out that he "gets things done" but can't tell me what things they were.

    I'm learning that is likely isn't going to get better.  At 57, this is who he is and how he is going to be for the rest of his life.  It feels like I'm grieving, like I've lost the relationship I thought we were going to have, that he said he wanted.  I'm lonely.  I feel alone even though he is in the next room.  

    Can someone tell me examples of how to live my life without expecting anything of him?  That doesn't compute in my head.  

  • We both have ADHD! by: Marie Bryant 1 year 10 months ago

    There seem to be lots of support groups for couples where one of the members has ADHD. Lots of advice given...I find very little on the situation of both partners having ADHD! I believe this situation poses special challenges, and would love to hear from others who are in the same boat as me. Additionally, ADHD often exists in tandem with other issues (C-PTSD, high functioning Autism, Bipolar, Borderline Personality Disorder...etc). The challenges are immense. I've managed to hang in there through 30+ years of marriage, but Covid killed my few social outlets. I feel isolated, lonely, unsupported, and like I am loosing myself. Can anyone relate? Does anyone have experiences to share? Are there any success stories out there? I am very happy to meet anyone with similar challenges.

  • Is love enough? by: Surprisedspouse 1 year 10 months ago

    I've been struggling with this question. I think like all of you, I had the hyperfocused courtship which was ripped away and replaced with a desire to chase shiny things and find more and more discontent in the shiny thing he once was so excited about.

    Im tired. I actually don't nag. I do walk on eggshells. And I've suffered tremendous pain, both from actions and words. I'm not good enough for him. Or not enough to take a close look at his own behavior. 

    I think I was in love with the hyperfocused person, because I'm that person. I give all my heart and love and soul. And I thought I found my soul mate. Reading the chapter about how those actions were for him, it made him feel good about himself... That would have completely changed my opinion of the entire courtship. I don't operate like that and I was looking for a person who would give what they got. 

    I love him. He's my best friend. However, that's not the same thing as a partner. Without getting into details, I'll say I can relate to many of the posts in here. Financial loss, emotional neglect, harbored resentment (from him), walking on eggshells in case I even think a critical thought that he can 'feel'. Distortion of reality to fit his narrative that will protect him from admitting to his mistakes. It's a lot to handle. It's likely too much.

    It does feel like there are two people. The one where he shows up because I'm his interest of the moment (I am exciting in some ways, entrepreneurial and always on the move), and the one where he completely lets me down (where I need someone to hold my hand through a struggle).

    I'm reading the book and the book sounds like more of the same work I've done. However, something needs to keep us with our partner at the end of the day. With all the work and literal putting aside our own feelings almost always, is love enough?

  • Ending the Chaos w/o ending the marriage by: c ur self 1 year 10 months ago

    Scanning over the lists of post titles as I have fairly often the past nine years or so...The prevalent common theme is just desperate people seeking answers that might lighten the burden they find them selves under because of failed communication attempts, and of course our view of why "spousal behaviors". I have plenty of empathy for most of the posters here...I to live with a wife (15 yrs) who is high level add....So there isn't much I read here that shocks me, or I haven't been subjected to, are see often still....What I have learned to do is what we all must learn to do, if we continue to take residence with our add spouses, and desire a peaceful life that is....I have learned what is possible in each moment, and in each area of life...Most of us who can and do live a somewhat normal existence, who marry people who will never have the capability to perform "life" as we can...(organized, thoughtful, responsible)...And that in it self isn't totally bad, but it does call for acceptance of reality!...(Hugely different realities in most cases I might add) And that is your job, because if you think someone who is mostly limited in communication ability, (esp. concerning facts about themselves) is going to guide this wisdom train of ownership of differences, then your dreaming, or quiet naive.....Most of the problems I read about on this site is directly related to people who can exist normally, expecting those who can't, and never will, to change...lol, it's not happening...Now people can change deliberate behaviors when they see the need, but, THEY must feel convictions to do so, you and I pointing it out will only drive them away, or make it worse...AND most things add related isn't chosen or deliberate, it's the result of fixed brain function...

    Based on my experience's and what I've read, working marriages where high level add is present in one partner, isn't something many find themselves willing or able to grasp, the long suffering of it all, the acceptance that your marriage relationship will be designed around strict boundaries, and highly limited in communication and sharing...This type of reality and effort is so debilitating to our families, emotions, psyche, and physical health in many cases, hope is easily lost...There are several posters on this site, that have broken free from their spouses, but, struggle to break free from the damage they incurred to their minds and emotions for having to walk away from someone they loved.....

    But, if you are willing to respect difference's, set boundaries, and not participate in area's of life where you know conflict and chaos is a very high probability (no matter how 2 normal minded people can and do function) then many of us can find what is possible for our unique relationships, and still maintain our peace...

    Blessings and Happy New Year to all!

    c

  • ADHD in marriage - starting out help by: thejamesjimbob 1 year 10 months ago

    Hi Everyone! This is my first post on this site and in fact I don't post online much at all, certainly not about myself. I have only commented on one other user's post so far. I have tried to search to find helpful stories already posted, but decided to share my plight as we're all individuals, so here goes.

     

    I met my wife 3 years 8 months ago, proposed 1 year 2 months ago and married her 4 months ago. And we've already both thrown the "D" word around more than once but I think I think it more than her - whenever I feel I'm not good enough and I'm holding her back.

    I am 32, I don't have diagnosed ADHD, but my wife has read up on the issues we were having and came across Melissa Orlov's work (amongst others). After the initial conflict about changing chow I am blah blah typical symptom, my W played me a clip from "ADHD E on M" and we both resonated so strongly with that alone that it convinced us both I have adult ADHD. The more we both read the more resonated. Today I went to the doctor for a referral to a specialist to get a diagnosis, potentially treatment. Even that was ADHD-esque as I missed my first appointment after getting distracted in the 15 minutes between my reminder alarm to get ready to leave, and the time to actually leave the house!
     

    So, where are we now and why do we need your help?

     

    Before the wedding my wife complained of taking on more than her share of the planning and prep. Of me not showing interest or coming up with my own ideas and just following hers

    During the wedding I had fun but looking back and reflecting I can see that I didn't at all support the one person who put so much bloody effort and money in whom this day was supposed to bloody be about!

    After the wedding we had a not-so-honey honeymoon that had already been booked to climb Kilimanjaro then chill in Zanzibar. She fell ill after Kilimanjaro's stress and couldn't fully enjoy Zanzibar. I comforted and supported her, but notably one night I was accused of "asking her what she needed" - I have become accustomed to her telling me what to do and so ask her "help me know how to help you". *

    When we got back it got worse. Try as I might I could not think of what to say to spark meaningful conversation. The effortless interest in and memory of her interests that I had at first eluded me, and in those moments of stressing, reaching for something to say or do to buck her up, the trying only made it harder and I am used to straining against a blank mind now.

    This evening (30/12) , I realised I could only just remember what I got for Christmas from some people, not all, 5 days ago. I couldn't remember conversation from a friend 10 days ago. So potentially I also have memory issues I have told my doctor about, and I aim to get an app to help train memory.

    My W accuses me of "puppy-dogging" her - especially shopping. Following around and commenting when needed or picking things out but showing no genuine interest. Accuses me of never making things happen myself: instead I just piggyback off what other people arrange for me. Even before she met me, the experiences I talked about - were they really me getting out there and doing things or were they other people doing it and taking me along? Or life just happening to me and me drifting along?
     

    Worst of all, today I overcame my pride and fear and shared my finances with my W, so she now controls all my cards and spending (and earning). Her words: "your situation isn't bad. It's dire." I need to find nearly £10,000 in 4 months. Any hope she had of moving on with HER life, moving out of a house she feels trapped in, starting a family from a stable financial position, Trying out different vocations and looking for different careers from the one she feels trapped in but currently pays the bills, I have comprehensively dashed. And this situation could have been averted much earlier - even before the wedding we had conversations about sharing finance. About how our finance would change after we married and she's bailed me out time after time. 

    I can't in her words, give her any reassurance of stability, any support emotionally, mentally, developmentally, organisationally, and especially financially. So I feel I am essentially useless.

    It's thoughts like this that lead me to think that she wouldn't have married me, shouldn't have married me, and might be better off without me.

    We have tonight thought seriously about temporary separation, to give her space to think and act and eat to herself without looking after me. 

     

    So, I am trying to make my way through Orlov's books, though I haven't read seriously for years and am out of the routine and drive for it. I am trying to read online self-help and making money. Tomorrow I am selling everything I own but don't need and doing a Facebook shout out for part time evening/weekend work, maybe also enquiring in person in a few local places. (I have a day job that normally pays well, but is self employed and quiet in January). Obviously I am hoping to get more help and perhaps medication with a formal diagnosis in a few weeks. 

     

    Any advice, anecdotes, help, suggestions of where to focus my reading or how to help with finances, or really anything at all I would be deeply grateful for. 

     

    Thank you for taking the time to read and help, and I hope I can help you too in some small way :)

     

     

  • Please explain / give examples of how to handle these situations by: K. 1 year 10 months ago

    Hi.  New here.  My husband has ADHD.  He was diagnosed as a teen, didn't like and quit the medicine a couple of months later, and refuses to contemplate treatment of any sort now.  We've been together nearly 17 years, married almost 4years.  The same time we married, our (my) youngest moved out and we were alone for the first time since moving in together after 10 years long distance.  All of the behaviors I'm struggling with were there the whole time, but I tried to deal with them, thinking it was the stress of having 3 teenagers or trying to adjust to living together or just learning each other better.  

    It was so easy when we were long distance.  When I traveled to him, there were no responsibilities, and I was able to relax and have fun.  When he traveled to me, he would do such nice things... cook dinner every night and have it waiting on me when I got home from work, take care of the kids while I worked, help with laundry and household stuff, keep up with schedules and appointments and remember who had what when.  He's always had a hard time being on time, but it didn't matter as much because there was so much that was cleared off the schedule so we could spend time together.  Of course, once he finally moved in with me, reality hit and it became more of a problem.  So did other things.

    I've told him many times we can't get on the same page because we aren't even in the same book, and he refuses to tell me which book he's in.  Communication doesn't really happen.  I try, but I don't have the energy for the circular talk that consists really of repeating what I said in a tone that says he thinks I should think he said something. I've gotten really good at calling him on it then get silence... for ages.  Seriously, he can sit in the same room with me after me saying, "you didn't answer my question" for hours in total silence then REPEAT THE SAME THING I SAID YET AGAIN.  It's frustrating and exhausting and soul crushing.  I know that sounds extreme, but it's my reality.  I've gone to counseling, but the counselors haven't been able to give me tools that work.  Walk out and refuse to participate.  Fine.  Still need to address the problem somehow.  It's going to be the same situation if I walk away 100 times.  Explain that it is important to me.  Okay.  Only it isn't important to him, so no help there.  Set an appointment to talk and resolve it.  Really?  He won't remember, and when I remind him he'll come to the table, but will start the entire circle over again.  Live for myself.  How does that even work in the real world with real issues?  We need to find a more affordable place to live or do we take in the grandchild or what are our plans for retirement?  How do I "live for myself" with those types of scenarios?  I feel stupid for not knowing how to speak his language which if I did manage to learn it he would just change it.  I feel stupid for not knowing how to handle these situations. 

    Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions or insight into how to communicate with him?  

    Also, nearly three years ago, I got sick.  I had no health insurance.  He has the best health insurance money can buy.  I was stuck with a free clinic and no money for x-rays or other tests.  Several times, the doctor there said he thought it might be cancer.  It got to the point that I was so exhausted I had a hard time walking the short distance from the car to the house or the bed to the living room.  During this time, he was chasing a heart issue that two doctors told him was nothing to worry about.  He insisted on all sorts of testing that resulted in some high co-pays even with his awesome insurance, and when the bills came in he always had to "pay it now while I have the money".  He would flaunt that insurance every chance he got, too.  Once, I almost walked out and left him sitting at the expensive and well-known clinic as he argued with the leading specialist in the field that he may not need the test, but he wanted it, and his insurance would cover it.  This is as I needed a $200 ultrasound that I couldn't get.  Also, during this time, there was an accident caused by what can only be called a stupid act that came close to causing me great injury.  It has caused PTSD for me.  It took me two years of fighting to get him to get rid of the object because I couldn't feel safe with it around.  A year ago, he had a huge increase in his income, and I was so relieved I was crying because it meant that I could finally get insurance.  I think a part of me died when he said we had to buy a house with that money.  Well, I fought and screamed and threatened and finally got insurance.  And I've spent this entire past year trying to get well.  There is damage to my body from going so long without being treated.  It wasn't cancer, thank goodness, but it was serious.  The damage done to our marriage is huge.  I don't know how to get over the anger and disappointment.  He really believed I was okay.  He didn't realize how much time had passed with me being sick.  He didn't realize how much time had passed with the awful object still around.  He doesn't understand how him having great insurance while I had none is a problem since he doesn't pay for his.  He doesn't get that telling me he knew I would be okay isn't okay.

    Does anyone have any advice on how to move on from these things?

  • Shutting people out by: ShouldaCouldaWoulda 1 year 10 months ago

    Is there any correlation between adhd and the adhd man or woman shutting people out when they get mad at them? Whether or not they were in the wrong?

    My wife pretty much alienated many people in her family. She had no issue telling them that they were dead to her.

  • Constantly nitpicking, never lets go by: M. 1 year 10 months ago

    Hi, reaching out for a sanity check. I'm the non-adhd spouse. Husband has appt for medication next month. Had ADHD entire life, untreated. I'm trying to hold out to see what happens with medication. But in the meantime...

    I keep reading that a trait of ADHD is that a person can forget an issue and move right along. This is not the case with my spouse. He is still holding on to what he considers injustices from years ago and wants to constantly revisit them, analyze them, just beat it to death. The thing is, these have all been resolved. He cannot recall those conversations. And he cannot move on. In addition, about every 3 days there is something else about me or about our relationship that he wants to put under a microscope and dismantle and question every aspect of. It is making me insane! It's just so negative all the time. I cannot stand it. When I get defensive and irritated after fielding this, I am blamed for getting defensive and just politely trying to move on, or tell him this isn't the time for this discussion (because it's usually at 10pm at night or while I'm trying to get ready for work or Christmas Eve or some other equally inappropriate time to nitpick and cause a disturbance.).

    He says he doesn't trust me, although I've never been unfaithful and he knows that and says he doesn't worry about that. He doesn't trust that I won't do "something" to hurt him. 

    The irony is, I feel I spend every day trying to move forward from the horror show that our relationship has been for the last 2 years, primarily due to ADHD and the impacts of that on our life. The injustice of him continually telling me everything that I do wrong, and him pointing out all of my faults, while I stand by and be the best, most understanding spouse I can be, just makes me boil. His emotional disregulation has been so extreme I've had to have him removed from our home, his finances have left me short on rent, his car is forever undrivable, the medical disasters are frequent, our friends are weary of him...but it's ME who can't be trusted??

    Has anyone else experienced their ADHD spouse not letting grievances go? Nitpicking something to death? Not remembering resolution?

    We are barely talking as I type this. 

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