I started the spring project of landscaping a berm that is 200 sq ft. It had been left uncared for for years..... overgrown and mixing the grass around it with the crown vetch. I was making a perimeter and shoveling a foot into the margin to start this project. H wants to help. So he is kneeling down and picking out tiny pieces of dead sticks from the ground between the leaves. I commented about what I was doing and what I hoped to accomplish and that my back will start to hurt soon. I asked if he would do some of the heavy shoveling for a while. That was half an hour ago. He is still working on his 2" pile of tiny stubs (that I will eventually be digging up and tossing altogether). He can't see the big picture of a landscaped berm. He only sees the tiny sticks. I think this used to frustrate me. Before I knew about ADD/ADHD I was thinking he was stubborn and trying to get away with just doing what pleases him without working together with me. Now I understand. He is tacitly focused on the sticks and no words from me will get him to be able to see the big picture or the scope of the project. It is useless to involve him. I will do the project another day and try to not get into a fight with him. It is still frustrating but at least I wil not put my energy fruitlessly into working together
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- The big picture is too overwhelming for him by: jennalemone 1 year 7 months ago
- I'm an ADHD that lost interest in my wife by: ChronicalZest 1 year 7 months ago
I know some things won't make sense in my speech, as I myself don't understand it all. Many people around me can't understand me either and it's very confusing as it gets to a point where people give advice based on what they see but having ADHD I end up hiding many feelings even from myself and that's all very confusing... What are feelings, emotions, love, passion, rational decisions, faith, and the importance of marriage? And even if we get to distinguish all this at some point in time, are we supposed to be capable of summing it all and be fine with this logical decision even if sometimes they contradict themselves?
We started dating 6 years ago and married 3 years ago, young but in love.
I have had several relationships before and understand in me a pattern of self-sacrifice because I valued marriage, but didn't understand the importance of valuing my own interests. She always wanted us to do things she liked and being with her seemed more and more like an obligation than fun, and maybe because of that or the lack of a challenge or goal in our relationship, I just lost joy in being with my wife. She started to ask what could she do so I liked her more but I always said something regarding one of the first things that got into my mind, knowing that it would just make me endure the marriage easily but not make me like her more. Divorce crossed my mind but I valued marriage a lot so even going through depression, I kept trying hard to make my wife happy as I could, even if sometimes it didn't show.
Time went on and I started to understand that I was addicted to the challenge of making women interested in me, even during marriage. I also had big issues regarding sexual addictions, and we were having a hard time getting to understand all these issues and what to do. I had no idea I had ADHD and ended up finding it because of this situation, as I looked for a therapist regarding these other issues.
I had never before crossed the line of physically engaging with some other woman but then we started having issues in our sexual life (I had much more sex drive but also wanted to feel she was interested) and I ended up cheating on her. It was a thought decision at some point. I had an affair, hiding it from everyone, and it's my biggest regret in my life. But this changed my perspective.I ruined my marriage but also the value it had for me, and at the moment, I don't feel anything for my wife, but the question in my mind is: being ADHD, my interest will probably faint with another woman as it fainted with my wife, so what is the point of trying to get out just to repeat the story again?
As bad as it sounds, the worst part of it is that my wife forgave me and is willing to keep trying. She's still in love and values our matrimony. I don't want to be in a loop but also can't find strong enough reasons to keep my decision strong and end up losing focus and find myself wanting the divorce but then again, if I'm not able to learn to keep this marriage together when I have a wife that's willing to hold it and wants to learn and change, why would I be able to do it differently with someone else?I still don't know much about how ADHD is affecting me but I know it makes a huge difference just by having me go around seeking dopamine like a drug and I don't feel able to produce it with almost anything in my life in a while.
- Tips on how to handle "processing time." by: Dagmar 1 year 7 months ago
We have this reoccurring problem in ALL of our arguments. I say he's just being avoidant, he says he needs time to "process" what I'm saying. We need to break this cycle and I'm not sure I'm in the wrong, but maybe I am and could use help.
Any time we have an issue, he won't bring it up. In the early days of my relationship, when I would bring it up, he'd accuse me of starting an argument at an inappropriate time. Which, of course, would start an argument.
But now, if I bring up something, he immediately begins cleaning the kitchen or doing some other chore he doesn't often do. When I press him to talk about whatever, he says he needs "time to process." He won't give me how long he needs to process, and if his processing time runs too long (as it often does), he will need to go to bed and I'm being unreasonable by wanting him to stay up and argue.
We have been together since the 90s. I do not know how long it takes him to process whatever, because once the immediate situation is over, if I attempt to go back to the discussion he tells me that I'm "bringing up the past," and that he "doesn't have my memory" and can't remember what role I played in whatever bad situation we were in and it's unfair because I remember everything he did. This goes for EVERY tough conversation. And by tough situation, I mean things as benign as "what are your work hours?" (literally, me finding out that his hours are 7 to 3:30 took three actual arguments) as well as harder conversations like "I think we should have a trial separation."
And watching someone go blank or leave the room when I'm trying to have a serious conversation is INFURIATING. So I always end up yelling. I think he's just playing possum to avoid a hard thing. He says I'm not giving him long enough to process, and that he knows I'm going to be mad, so he's trying to be careful with his words. I don't know what words he is being careful with, though, because I never hear them. - Newly Diagnosed ADHD Spouse Wants To Separates And Breakup Up Family by: t2l 1 year 7 months ago
Hi All,
I am posting my story in hope that someone may be able to provide some guidance and words of wisdom?
My wife has recently been diagnosed by a psychologist with ADHD.
Together: 16 years (Married 11 years)
Children x 2 under 6
Announced Jan 2022 that she was done with the relationship
Brief History
In Oct 2022 my wife also told me she thought she has ADHD which I initially reacted poorly to and said we could fix things. Once she told me how angry this made her. I threw myself into helping her and reading everything I could and I came to agree with her. She has since seen a Psychologist who after consultation, stated that in her clinical opinion it is highly likely my wife has ADHD.
Relationship issues
- Our difficulties got worse after our first child in 2017. It was a very stressful pregnancy and my wife had many complications with a risk of fatality due to bleeding out. I was lucky enough to attend every appointment as I was so worried.
- My wife began to withdraw from that point, albeit slowly. She also expressed at points she felt she was struggling to bond with our children.
- We appear to have a very codependent relationship (I certainly feel I have become codependent) which I believe I have enabled over the years with me being the main cook, cleaner, organiser, planner and the one responsible for finances.
- Although I have expressed burnout over the years and tried to encourage her getting involved she never did. This led to me feeling overburdened and at times fostered resentment in me.
- However since the revelation of ADHD, this fits and I feel bad and guilty about the way I handled things. Although I have read in ADHD forums, undiagnosed ADHD can play havoc in a marriage and a parent-child dynamic is common.
- I became hyper-organised and frugal to counter the situation, in my mind preparing for a future. My idea being we could pay off the house and within 5 years and save for our children’s and our future. My wife disagreed with this as she said she never had anything growing up and so our children would be OK.
- I am an affectionate person and so my wife withdrawing was difficult and I was always open and honest that it made me feel lonely and unloved and I asked her how I could make sure she felt loved.
- The common theme around this is our communication lines were never open. I was always happy to talk about alternatives but my wife only expressed disagreement but when asked what she would like instead always replied with “I don’t know.”
- I feel my wife basically completely gave up in October 2022
To date
Trying to find a way forward talking my my W she said she feels we don’t need any professional help and just need to ‘sit down and talk.’ I calmly stated that ‘i feel’ that we have always tried to do this in th past and it has never worked and so I feel we need some professional help. She said she thought couples therapy was helpful to me as she felt "I realized the error of my ways", no reference to any self reflection on her behalf. My wife said she does not want to go to the workshop as she feels I am trying to manipulate her into it.
She referenced my apology letter and said that I am so controlling and manipulated decisions in our lives over the years. This breaks my heart as I am very aware of this however in my defense it some extent I have had no choice as my W has never been able to make or contribute to decisions (ADHD consequence?) ans so I had no choice but to pick up the mantle. However I did not try to defend myself (as I have learned this only makes things worse) and only stated that I acknowledge she feels the outcomes of decisions made her feel controlled I never had any ill intention and always acted in a way I thought was in our families best interests (confusingly she said she tells people what a good man I am and told our therapist I am a good husband and father)
Summary
Although my wife acknowledges her ADHD and takes comfort in the fact it explains many situations in her past, poor grades at school, failing to pay vital bills, lying about attending important appointments etc when it comes to our relationship she has a block and believes whole heartedly that I am the cause of all her unhappiness and relationship issues. This is despite my W and I going through the following article and agreeing together on all of the points:
https://www.additudemag.com/is-adhd-threatening-your-relationship/My W does not wish to go on medication yet has not made no attempt at employing or exploring any coping strategies. I do not believe she has pursued any further IC either.
I still love my wife dearly and my heart aches for her as much I am truly hurt myself. I feel she is pushing me away on purpose and categorically doesn't want to work on our relationship yet avoids dealing with any problems. It's like she is living in a bubble. I fear for our children too and seek some stability for the future. However at present my W is not willing to consider that she has any accountability or contribution to her current state of unhappiness and our relationship issues. She says that ‘feelings cannot change.’
I just don't know what to do next. My wife is not a reader nor will she listen to and self help audiobooks/podcasts nor seek our webinars/seminars.
My W sees the only solution to our currently situation is to break up our family and for us to separate despite not really putting any work in to try to resolve our issues (she has said we have tried everything although has even admitted that sometimes she thinks about things so much she convinces herself she has actually actioned them).
Any guidance is much appreciated as I really do not know what to do next.
- How to confront my husband about his ADHD symptoms? by: faynesh 1 year 8 months ago
Hello!
I need some direction on how to bring this up. A little background; We've been together for 13 1/2 years. But only married for 9 months. Up until we got married and living together, I contributed his symptoms to self-centeredness and fear of commitment. This was our only focus during couples therapy. I realize now (even our therapist missed it) it's ADHD. Now that we live together, I see and live it daily! It's tearing me apart inside and I don't know how to confront him with it. He's very sensitive and will take immediate defense. That I'm sure of.
A little background of me; I'm in my mid 50's, both on second marriage with adult children. I have a full time job (career) and own my own business. Because I'm so spread thin, I have a tendency to sweep things under the rug until I'm physically & emotionally exhausted. I like to call it, choose my battles. I'm now at the brink of blowing up. Any suggestions and ideas on how to address this in a loving way is greatly appreciated.
- NT Partner and Gaslighting by: ADHDANDME83 1 year 8 months ago
I was late diagnosed with ADHD in my early 30s and am still trying to adjust, adapt and improve my life and my self-esteem. This has been extremely challenging with my diagnosis coming after a child and all the maternal worries, guilt and anxieties with that. I have had previous treatment for anxiety.
However, I thought I would have support from my partner post-diagnosis. I know it isn't an easy journey but (wrongly) thought he would be there helping and supporting. This hasn't been the case.
I have discovered recently that he has been making false claims to people about the extent of my diagnosis and how bad it is. He is leading people to believe that I am a bad mother, that I do nothing around the house and that I am not trying or willing to do anything. He has had the audacity to claim he is my carer! This is so far removed from the truth that it makes me so angry and wonder who he is.
He works from home and gets our child ready for nursery in the morning so I can get ready as we leave the house at 0700. I pick our child up in the afternoons unless I have a late work event (this do not happen often.) As he works from home, he makes the meals during the week. Yet, I plan the meals and do the food shopping. When I ask for help, he responds, "the usual" or "whatever you want" rather than suggestions. I also unpack and put away the shopping. I do the cooking at the weekends.
Added to this, I couldn't tell you the last time he hoovered, cleaned the bathroom, changed the beds, dusted or any other domestic chore. We both work full time. When I have brought it up before, he tells me that I just need to ask him or he just lists all the jobs he does.
I have sole responsibility for our child's reward chart, I do the majority of educational activities, crafting and baking with our child, and it is myself who comes up with holiday/weekend activity ideas. I spend most of early evening chatting with our child as he sits on his phone and, once our child is in bed, I initiate the vast majority of our conversations. He doesn't ask me how my day was or anything. I have to tell him. My phone use is an issue, however.
Since learning about my diagnosis, he hasn't done any reading up about it or looking at things we could change to help support us not just me. I have softly suggested me reducing my working hours or changing job (it is very emotionally draining and demanding on executive functions) but he baulked at the idea as we "couldn't give our child the life we want." He just seems to think I should "be better" and I'm being lazy not doing it or not yet fixed. I am the problem. Everything that isn't great in our lives is down to me. Maybe I am?
I get that living with an ADHD partner can be hugely demanding and tiresome. It is the same for the ADHDer! I guess I just thought that the man I love(d) would try to help me more instead of withdrawing, making me feel crazier and then bad mouth me to other people. I really struggle to understand why he is here and if he really loves me still since all I seem to do is make him unhappy and not be (good) enough based on his actions.
Sorry, this is all a but of a splurge rant but I'm fed up, angry, exhausted, lonely, and literally only on the planet because of my child.
- Questioning my sanity by: M. 1 year 8 months ago
Seeking help, because I'm questioning my sanity and reality. Non-adhd spouse. Very soon to be ex-spouse. After 3 years, last month I put a firm boundary in place and have stayed true to it this time. After years of being yelled at, sworn at, public scenes, this has come to an end for me.
My spouse has taken this news from one extreme to the other. From literally rolling around on the floor sobbing (zero coping mechanisms) to sarcasm and continued criticism.
The last few days he has been aggressive, sarcastic, calling me a gaslighter, a manipulator, and telling me that I am being toxic and taking his words and using them against him. I have tried to stay calm, compassionate, and kind. I have stated that the boundary is for my health and sanity. That I care about him and love him and am not asking him to change. I have apologized for ways that I hurt him over the years and taken ownership of my failings and difficulties. But I am in a non-stop barrage. I had to tell him to leave (he is not staying with me but has access for a few more days) several times because he was speaking critically and I wasn't going to engage. Another sarcastic text yesterday. And then calls today and is dismayed and confrontational when I am not warm and pleasant. That was followed by a text that I was manipulating him with toxic behavior.
In all of that, my question: Is this type of behavior what anyone else is experiencing?? It feels like madness. He makes a choice and if I don't respond how he envisioned or hoped, the entire narrative is shifted. I am struggling not to lose sight of myself and reality. Seriously, I'm losing perspective. Does this happen to anyone else?
- A nagging question that I have been having for months... by: Anonymous (not verified) 1 year 8 months ago
Why is it that I get so motivated to do anything right when my husband is angry at me? It's as if someone's anger powers me to do tasks and responsibilities around the house. It's a problem I have been for years, but only considered it just recently.
- Sorting my Finances by: Anonymous (not verified) 1 year 8 months ago
Hi. Historically I have been bad with money matters - always going over budget, spending impulsively on food, etc. I have a budgeting spreadsheet but somehow I am still struggling with how to manage our finances. I am a housewife who does the groceries while my husband works for both of us. It is weird that someone like me who might have ADHD is managing groceries every month, but no one else can since my husband goes to work. Monthly my husband berates me for committing the same errors -- just today he got mad at me again for the same reason. He even said he does not know how to trust me now...how do I go about fixing myself around money?
- Married to ADHD wife - almost divorced but uncertain times by: Sometimes Hopeful 1 year 8 months ago
I am glad I found this site - the last few days have been an awakening to what ADHD relationships are like and it feels like I am not so alone and many others are living the same experience.
This is my second marriage - the first ending in an affair and betrayal after 10 years of being together. I went from a narcissist to one with ADHD, great choices.
We have been together for 7 years now - but it was a few years in before she even told me she had ADHD. I did not think much of it as I did not know at all the impacts on relationships that it could have later. My wife was recovering from cancer when I first met her, and that consumed the majority of any serious discussion for the first bit. After that she was very focused on having kids. We are almost 40 so the time to have children of our own is running out. The problems began here as her becoming pregnant and having our own child is very high cancer risk. At first we had discussed and began planning for adopting or fostering, but then this changed to having a friend who was willing to be a surrogate. Fast forward through COVID times and now we found that friend is unable to due to health conditions, and having another surrogate would run into a 6 figure cost. I had concerns about this but for the sake of having a family was willing to figure it out, before we both miss the boat on being able to. We had a few discussions but as the case tends to be as I am discovering now it is really difficult to have big conversations with someone with ADHD without getting heated, and I do not handle this well as I tend to shut down and avoid conflict.
At this point in time after the beginning appointments for surrogacy it was as if a switch had been turned off. She went from being a loving wife to immediately talking about divorce and any sign of love just disappeared, and I felt completely cut out of her life. Suddenly it was a huge fight and constant criticism of everything wrong with me for months. At this point she also apparently started taking Adderall. I have no idea what prompted her to start treatment for ADHD on her own there as it was not something we had really talked about ever.
It was at this point that things just became... confusing for me. First off - with my first marriage even though it was heartbreaking, when it was over, she moved out and the recovery began in short order. Now - my current wife still lives in the same house but in a different bedroom with no talk of moving out any time soon. Some days it feels like she still wants to be married, some days it does not. She still cooks breakfast for both of us, still buys me clothes. She still wants me to get up with her every morning to make her coffee. She still wants to go for walks together. We still hug, snuggle a bit, watch tv together. At the same time, anything public or resembling a date is off the table. No "I love you". No kissing. No sex. She also locks her bedroom door as if she doesn't trust me for some reason even though I have never been remotely physically or verbally violent for that matter. That does raise red flags for me though having already been betrayed in a prior marriage. She is adamant that she never would cheat although my level of trust on the whole situation is pretty broken these days. It has been a month or two since we have had a fight. When things came to a head several months ago during one of our worst fights I agreed to divorce after hours of heated discussion, but I was not going to initiate it. At least not yet but I feel like I might have to be the one to do it at some point if we remain in this weird state uncertainty for too long.
Our 5 year anniversary is actually in 2 days and I don't even know what to do about that. Lately I have been living as separate of a life as I can, to focus on myself to have some happiness and not be so lonely. Do I just not even bring it up and wait for her? Go out and do something on my own that day? Try to have a conversation that might just end up in a fight and sad loneliness yet again? Give her a card?
I guess my question is at what point do you know a marriage is over with a wife with ADHD? Is it already past that point and she just is stringing me along or have some sort of inability to make decisions on leaving?