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  • How do I repair the damage that I've done to my poor wife and begin to make it better? by: BetterHusbandBe... 1 year 10 months ago

    Hi all,

    Firstly, I'll start by saying that I've been browsing this forum for some time so thanks to each and every one of you who contributes. It's very powerful to read other people's stories and, rightly or wrongly, I take comfort in knowing I'm not alone.

    So,a bit about me - 

    • 35 years old
    • Married to my beautiful wife for 5 years and 356 days. We have 3 beautiful children together (nearly 6 months, 4 years and 6 years)
    • Diagnosed with ADHD in September 2020 (combined, severe)
    • Been medicated since March 2022, currently on 60mg Elvanse once daily with a 5mg top up when needed (although I usually forget to take the top up).
    • I've wronged my wife for too long and I need to change - I've never wanted anything more in my life
    • I'm an expert in distorting reality, I guess to protect myself from the truth
    • I've never really fully and truly accepted my ADHD diagnosis. I have no idea why as my wife has never been anything other than 100% supportive and accepting and loving of me for me, ADHD 'n all.

    Whilst I've only just begun to accept this and start to come to terms with it, I've been in a pretty bad place mentally for the last 3 or so months. I've been snappy, useless, (more) incompetent, unhelpful, uncaring and downright horrible to be around. I refused to accept this change and did what I do best, bury my head in the sand and pretend everything is all good. 

    Fast forward to mid November and my wife and I separated. I say separated, I left with nowhere to go in a temper one day after an argument. An argument that I caused despite my wife trying her best to make it better. Just typing that out for the world to see fills me with shame, frustration, disappointment, hurt and every other negative emotion going. 

    With nowhere to go, I had to swallow my pride and reach out to a mate from work. He's a good bloke with a big heart and I knew that, whilst judgment would be there, it wouldn't be too intense and I'd probably be able to convince myself that he wasn't passing judgment. He gave me somewhere to stay, he gave me someone to talk to, he gave me a shoulder to cry on and he gave me support in the only way he knew how. I'll forever be grateful to him for what he did for me. I was too embarrassed of my situation and he also kept it entirely under wraps from everyone else at work. I'm a senior manager there and, until recently, I had the mindset of not showing any weakness and being a trusted person for anyone and everyone - if only I'd have taken the same mindset with my marriage I'm certain I wouldn't find myself where I am today.

    I was really quite hard on myself during this time. My mindset and thinking was at an all time low and I'd convinced myself that they're all better off without me. It hurt so much not having my wife and kids by my side but I'd convinced myself they were better off without me. 

    My wife begged and pleaded for me to come home which I eventually did. Although I did it still refusing to accept the reality of where I was at mentally and the struggles I was going through. I knew deep down it was ADHD related and probably driven by ineffective medication but I'd waited years to get medication and I was terrified it would be taken away from me which would cause me to lose all home with my struggles in day to day life that having ADHD brings. That hope was important to me to a point where I'd managed to (very successfully) convince myself that everyone was better off without me. 

    My inability to accept the reality and face the truth meant that me going back home was an absolute shambles (all of my own doing). I spiraled downhill further and reached lows I didn't think were possible. This resulted in me leaving again. 

    I moved into my own place a couple of weeks ago which has forced me to spend a whole lot of time on my own and with my own thoughts.

    I spend my days frightened. I spend my nights frightened. I'm having panic attacks that cause my feet, hands and face to have pins and needles, I spend every minute missing my beautiful wife and beautiful children and I spend my days with nothing but my own thoughts. I spend my days regretting all the little things I did wrong. All the big things, not caring enough, not being honest with myself and desperately trying (but ultimately failing) to distort reality into convincing myself that this is for the best. 

    Fast forward to about a week ago and I read something online about being honest with yourself and how it can't possibly harm you unless you allow it to. It said that its safe to be honest with youself and at that point, you can choose what to do with that honesty.. As soon as I read those words, my thoughts changed and I wrote down a whole list of honest things. I wasn't sure what I was going to do with them at this point but I didn't have anything to lose so I gave it a shot. 

    Some of the things I wrote down - 

    • I miss my wife more than I thought was possible and love her more than i even knew I did 
    • I'm well aware that my mood changed about 3 months ago and it changed because of the beginning of a process of coming to terms with having ADHD
    • I'm scared to lose my medication but I know it's making no difference in a positive way but is severely and negatively impacting my mental health
    • I'd do anything to have my family back
    • I haven't been a very good husband and father 
    • The one thing I want more than anything in the world is to be the husband and father that my wife and children deserve
    • I don't know how to fix this but I need to make a pact with myself to be honest. Like the article said, it was safe to do because I was in control of what I did with that honesty. I could do something useful and productive with it or I could do what I've always done and bury it and conjure up some nonsense as to the reasons for my behavior and actions that didn't make me feel so bad

    I've sat with that list for several days and I haven't been able to get it out of my head. I must have read it 1,000 times and spent hours thinking and analysing all of the points.

    I made a promise to myself, If I didn't want my life to end abruptly with a lot of pain and suffering for the people that care for me, I need to be honest, no matter what and no matter how uncomfortable that makes me feel. 

    I wasn't suicidal but there's been plenty of times where I'd longed to be dead over the past month or so. You see life through some different lenses where you're sat on the edge of the bed at 2am trying to get yet another panic attack under control, knowing full well that the next one is probably only a few minutes away anyway. There aren't words to describe the pain but there are actions I can take to try and make it better for my family. In turn, having them back will remove my pain.

    I laid my cards on the table with my wife and told her how I really felt. I tried my best to demonstrate that this is different and that I'm aware and have some answers to my behavior and will stop at nothing to fix this and I meant every word. There is nothing I wouldn't do and I know it will take time and I know it will take effort and I know it won't be perfect but I will try. She's such an amazing person and she's never had unrealistic expectations of my and my ADHD. She's my rock and I will stop at nothing until I'm her rock. I love her more than she'll ever know and certainly more than my actions have ever demonstrated and that also has to change. And they will. 

     

     

    So that's the background of my situation. Really, I'm looking for some guidance from people that have been in my wife's situation. I so desperately want to get this right and prove to her that I can be the husband that she needs and deserves, that I can be the father to our beautiful children that they need and deserve and that nothing is more important to me than creating harmony is our family again. And most importantly, I'm 100% confident that we can get there because a positive outcome is driven by MY actions, MY changes and MY behaviours being corrected. 

    If anyone has any thoughts, advice, tips or anything at all to contribute, I will be more grateful than you'll ever know. I just want my perfect little family back.

    Thank you all for reading.

    Chris x

     

     

     

  • My gf’s bad ADHD by: Frank7322 1 year 10 months ago

    My ldr gf has bad ADHD that includes severe depression (dx). Her parents, sister and I are worried about her current situation. She’s lived alone for the last 3 months, 4 hours away from them in Texas and I live here in Massachusetts. 

    She blocked me almost 2 weeks ago out the blue from iPhone texting and I’ve only corresponded once with her on messaging in social media (I’ve seen her go on and off daily but doesn’t read my texts). Her short message she sent to me only once last week to me was she wasn’t mad at me and that she was a ghost to me for feeling so broken right now.  She started being distant with her parents and sister with very scant texting a few days later and it’s been like that since. My gf posted on social media about “her heart is officially broken to pieces” which we think it’s either due to her failing her finals due to her ADHD or one of her beloved cats passed. Another post she did was pondering if she should be a stripper or more. This really upset me. Her ADHD has affected her to complete her schooling. Due to this and other stress from being alone (and me even telling her that I plan on visiting her in the coming months now that I finally saved up). 

    She’s obviously been very distant with all of us as it’s the first time she’s done this to me. She used to always text me when she was like this. I’ve texted with the sister on a daily basis to get updates. Either my gf barely replies to the parents, but not saying what’s going on or just reads the texts. Her sister has told me that she gets this way sometimes for a long period of time and it’s not unusual for her. They know she’s ok since the family checks up on her with gps (they did call for a well being service check once last week and thank God she was fine)

    Since my gf moved to her apt she didn’t have time to search for a new psych to get meds, I took the liberty to look. I did find a possible one and told her last month but because of her ADHD and school she never looked into it. I’m wondering if I should send the info to her sister in hopes that my gf talks to her to give her the info. What sucks is that my gf doesn’t have much like me so hopefully she can use them. If not, is there something I can do to help her as she obv needs meds? Her parents and sister don’t have much either. 

    What’s concerning also on how she is in a depressive state from the ADHD, she lives in a bad area to be near campus (she didn’t know how bad until it was too late and her dad and her signed the one year lease). She has gone out alone a few times she told me late at night (tho I haven’t told her sis). My gf and I use to share location but when she blocked me,she stopped sharing her l. What sucks for me is I am a worry wart, so I go crazy not knowing how she is with this whole situation. I’m trying to do self care. Any help would be most helpful, fellow non ADHDers.,

  • DONT BE LIKE ME (its a book?) by: ShouldaCouldaWoulda 1 year 10 months ago

     

    The last of the evening sunrays shine through the kitchen curtains and dance lazy patterns across the new linoleum tiles as I look at the newly refinished cabinets, the colors, the back splash- Decisions we made together on the colors, the tiles, the laminates... the valiant effort made to please her during the last retry of a troubled relationship. All I can see is my efforts to please her, make her happy, give her something else to be proud of...so I could be pleased with myself. Happy wife, happy life right? She ruminated that a few times during the last few years. This comes to mind as I realize that the kitchen, as well as one other room- the study/family game and chill room, are the only two rooms left furnished.I walk through the house that was our home. Now it is only a place where I dwell. It dawns on me that it has been the latter for quite some time, for all of us- Me, my wife, my son, my mother in law.  -Me, on Christmas Day

    As I keep reading through the forum posts, I see it is mainly men with ADHD and get the women's perspective.

    I have to admit, in every one of those posts, I see different bits that make me think they could be describing me? (more on that later on if you keep reading)

    I am the NON ADHD spouse, and was with a Severe ADHD spouse- so the roles are reversed.

    In my relationship (30 years, 28 yrs married) It started out ideal- then slowly went down hill.

    My observations (In my own views, my own opinion, my own side of the story):

    I always joked I was OCD- Everything had a place and everything in its place. Clean as you go, or as soon as you're done with a project- clean up.

    My wife and sister used to joke that i even ironed my underwear, because no matter where I was, I always tried to present a clean and proper appearance.

    I was raised that appearance means something- I was raised in an old school frame of mind, and 10 years in the United States Army reinforced that principle.

    When we got married and had our first place-

    When it came to dinner, meals...I got quickly informed "this is the 90's mister..get used to it" because I was raised up on principles like The man brings home the bacon, or most of it, and the woman is the queen of the house and she makes it the home. For further clues on me- I was raised to say 'Yes ma'am/no ma'am, Yes sir/ no sir. respect your elders, open the door for the women..etc etc...and the military reinforced those principles.

    So the meal thing did shock me, but i tried to understand…through the years when she did cook, I would always make sure to let her know how much I appreciated the fact that she took the time to cook for me and what I meant to me- I never failed to tell her that, but she always seemed to hold on to the fact that she felt it was a responsibility of hers. I tried to tell her in every way, that I understood and that it was ok, I could find something to eat. Until eventually I just told her that I could cook for myself, and when things got really bad, I finally told her I was cooking for myself before her, and I would be cooking for myself after her…I really got to the end of my rope- It seemed I could never get her to understand that in the ultimate scheme of things, it didn’t MATTER if she cooked or not, it was NOT her duty to have to cook, and I appreciated what she did and when she did…but she never seemed to get it?

    Dishes…When she cooked, it always seemed like chaos- it seemed like she used as many plates, pans, pots, utensils she could..and then piled them ALL in the sink. When I offered to clean the dishes she always meant well and said she had it, and she would. Sometimes we would take turns, or sometimes she would do them, and sometimes I would do them….When her mom lived with us, she ended up doing them all the time. But in the last years, IF I ever started cleaning in her presence…it always seemed to irritate her and she would down talk herself, and I would try to reassure her that I was trying to help and I didn’t mind, and that I knew she worked to and if I could ease any burden on her I was glad to do it. But she never seemed to get it because it was always a repeat.

    When it came to cleaning house. I never had an issue doing house work, or lol..cleaning windows or mopping etc. In fact, the military...you guessed it...reinforced it. So when we first started cleaning on weekends, I would naturally go to town..and I was pretty darn quick. Thats when I started noticing, as I think back, she would get her feelings hurt. She got her feelings hurt and said I 'took over"...I didnt understand.

    All, I wanted to do was be with her, be a team mate, and do my lion's share of the work..It was also ALWAYS my intention to take as much burden off her as I could...because thats the way I was raised. (there''s those principles again, the man leads, he gets stuff done. He takes care of things, he solves problems etc etc) Through the years, I gradualy changed my tactics from leading to trying to share? to doing what she asked me to do, to finally giving up and letting her do whatever she wanted to do. (that didnt work either)

    I am not saying it was all her fault, or her ADHD- I was a shithead myself, a lot...its that 'I am the man, I am the head of the household, etc etc....That didnt go well either.

    A little back story- I came from a dysfunctional home, I was abused by my mom until I was 12 years old. my parent divorced when I was 7- My parents both remarried. When I was 12 years old, I ran away and rode a bus across the state to be with my dad and stepmom. She was a better mother to me than my biological mom..but the caveat is that both my stepmom and my dad were alcoholics. If anything. My childhood experience taught me how I didnt want to treat my children. (more on that later) It took me until I was 49 years of age to get with a therapist to determine that yes, I was abused, and yes, that has affected my outlook on life and relationships...BUT, it has been 4 years of that so far, and I am STILL dealing with it and behavioral modification. It is hard, and it isnt hard... (this is where the ADHD on her side makes it hard, I am not trying to fault her, I am recognizing just one roadblock after the fact.)

    Ok so now, back to the timeline of the story. Throughout the years (28) it had been a constant tug of war. There have been a lot of good times, great ones, but there have been really bad ones too. What i see though is that EVERY disagreement was always pretty much the same thing..like the movie groundhog day. and no matter how I tried to approach it, nothing worked because the issues always came back.

    I guess from my viewpoint, it always seemed that no matter what I tried to do in our marriage, it was always wrong. IF I went to the left, it was wrong, If I went to the right it was wrong and she got upset, so I'd try to be fluid and go the way I thought she was implying...and soon enough that was wrong. From occupations...I changed jobs SEVERAL times from trucking to local work. I had a brief unemployment stint for about 6 months. back about 5 years after we got married because I wanted a job that paid the most for what I do. Finally, one day after 9/11, and the company I was working for went belly up due to the fallout of 9/11 and the majority of their work was government contract related, I chose to go back into self employment again. I told her that I was never going to change employment ever again because I felt that she having never been satisfied with anything I ever did, had caused me to move around careers..When I decided i was done with a job, it was because she couldnt handle the time I was away, she felt alone, I get it...so I would quit and try to find something closer. Then It wouldnt be enough, etc etc.. that was my impression and my opinion.

    So I have been self employed since 2001- and I have been pretty successful in so far as being able to do what i needed to do for a family- She never had to pay for a vehicle, she never had to pay for a home, or insurance for either, or taxes for either. Now I am not saying that we havent had any financial torubles- we surely have, and we have both worried about them and she would help me here there and yonder with moral support, and even monetary for little things like gas, or food, or cigarettes, but the vast majority of the time, i paid all the big expenses. Early on when we first got married, I noticed the problems she had with keeping track of our finances, and balancing the checkbook, I offered to take it over, and did for a time. I was able to pay for the bills and we'd have a little left over. We were both young and neither of us really had a proper idea about what it really took to really have a sound relationship, due to my childhood and hers. We eventually took up separate finances, on my decision, because she would get so stressed out on any of it. I am still self employed and still pay the bills to this day- I have good times and bad times, and a good bank. Sometimes, in my line of work, you have to go out on a limb, take a gamble, to make it..its the nature of the beast. I've been doing it for 30 years and havent lost my butt yet, and even during covid, I didn’t get government help- I paid every dime when it was due. My monthly bank notes for my work, this includes our two vehicles and insurance, and all my equipment has been anywhere between $3500 to $1800 per month. I have always paid every dime. In 2008 I borrowed $68k on our house, and paid that mortgage off 2 years ago. I am sorry but that is me, and she never had to be on the hook to pay anything that the business cost back. Like I said, I paid for the house, the vehicles, the insurance, any major upkeep etc. She did pay the electricity, the water, the internet and the groceries, and that’s because years ago she said that she felt bad for not being able to contribute. I did what I thought she wanted to do? Now I don’t know. The good news is I wont have any debt in 2 years- everything will be payed off once more.

    folks, I need to say that I was raised that you dont start trouble but you dont take trouble. With that being said, I never had strong patience for stupid people. When I was single, I walked away from stupid women and tried to walk away from stupid men, but if said men kept pushing me, or made the mistake of putting their hands on me, it wasnt pretty. Thats just me, and how I was raised. Now with age I have decided that isnt even worth it so I AVOID stupid people when I can. Back to the story... Whenever my wife would be upset, and it was OFTEN through the years (keep in mind she wasnt diagnosed severe ADHD until 2012 and we have been together since 1993, married in 1994) I wouldnt start out ugly, I started out trying to be patient, this was the woman I LOVED. but for some reason, there was no getting through, or reaching a concensus on things most of the time. and the arguments would just keep elevating, most of the time she would say what she wanted to say and then when i got to a rebuttal she would shut me down and after so much of that so many times...I would be the one to explode. ANGER...I would even throw things, not at her, but i have hit her with an egg not trying to hit her but I did...and that was totally wrong. These kind of arguments went on for YEARS. sometimes I would get so mad, I would just walk away and drive off. Sometimes she would walk away or drive off. looking back, it was insane.I am not proud of my behavior, it was wrong then and its wrong period. I have gotten way better but, there was a few times it got to yelling. Quite a few times, especially the last couple of years, it would get heated, i would start getting mad..and then I would stop, realize it and then just look at her and Say "this isnt working, What can I do to help change this?"

    BUT, we still loved one another enough to keep trying. Looking back, I can now say, thanks to behavioral therapy, and recognition, I did everything wrong in communication when it went beyond talking. But, I have to realize also that for the first 18 years of our relationship- ADHD was at play and neither of us knew it. She was taking prozac for depression when I met her and she was a social drinker. It wasnt until later on that i found out that prozac and alcohol dont work well together. I didnt discover until 2 months ago..yes 2 months ago, that she had daddy issues. She always said she had a hard time showing emotions, and that is a fact. She never could really show me physical love. She did it by saying it. and THAT did mean a lot. But in so far as physical love...it was hard to come by, but I loved her. I was always a touchy feely type of guy when I loved a woman. I've only had 3 girlfriends, the first one was while I was in the army and she couldnt wait on me. and the second one did have some really bad issues, My wife was the 3rd and last. that was 30 years ago. she was 19 and I was 23. She is now 50 and I am 53 this year. Anyways, as the marriage went on, I always noticed that the only time she got lovey dovey was when she had been drinking. I never was a drinker. Yes I partied when I was younger, I got drunk 3 or 4 times...but I never needed alcohol because of what I saw it do in a family...so my stance on alcohol, became another road block in this relationship...I just didnt realize how much. So we kind of dwindled down on the going out and dancing and eventually stopped because the alcohol...its hard to explain. Through the years I tried to always let her know that it wasnt her drinking the alcohol, it was when I wasnt around to protect her, that it didnt mix with her meds. Does that make sense? I meant well. She even told me a few times that she didnt need the alcohol and I believed her and all was fine. What I didnt realize is that I never denied her time with her mom and she spent a lot of time over at moms...mom was an alcoholic (privately) and she was accommodating my wife. I cant say how often but I now know she was enabling her back then. I dont think my wife ever drank while she was pregnant with our son, I think she is smarter than that. Despite all of what I am saying, I can stand up and also tell the world that She can be the most caring, helpful, selfless person I know...and I still love her. in 2006 or so, her mom came to live with us. Her mom is a good person, she has her own issues but in her core, she is a good person. I never knew up until a few months ago, that her mom was 5th of whiskey a day alcoholic. I knew she liked wine, she claimed it helped her sleep at night..ok, I get it...but it also took prozac and sleeping pills too. She'd go through a box or two of wine in a week, a quart glass at a time. She kept the wine in our fridge. I really didnt have an issue with it until she'd get drunk and come out to interact with us...or our son..he was very young. My wife would eventually tell her 'mom go to your room'. I finally told her mom that she was a grown woman and she could do whatever she wanted to do, in her room. And IF she decided to get drunk then ok, do not interact with my son.

    My MIL lived with us from 2006 or so until this past April when she finally had a 4 month melt down in dementia and ended up going to a care facility (thats another ADHD story with fallout) What i discovered during that time was i would start finding empty voda bottles hidden here there and yonder in the home, not to mention over a case of empty miller lite cans hidden all over our bedroom, in the closet in her pockets of coats, in boots, in a 2 drawer filing cabinet, in boxes, under the bed on her side....I never got upset with her and always talked to her about it. She told me she did it to help her deal with her issues. I always told her that I didnt mind the alcohol, i understood, just as long as she didnt hide it and I was there to protect her. I thought I was being good and understanding. So when we were at the store I would let her get an 18 pack and some wine coolers or whatever and we'd actually sit out back and drink a beer and talk....it felt great, and the world was good. But, then before long, i would notice that the alcohol would be gone out of the fridge and I would ask her If she wanted me to go get more and she would say no, I am good..I dont need it. and then later on, I would find the hidden empties (beer and/or vodka) from more that she had got. I never understood. I was always suspicious.and that became a trust issue.

    I found out later that her mom’s brother would take her mom to a doctor appointment and on the way back, she have him stop at the local drive through alcohol place and she’d order a gallon of Long Island Ice Tea with 5 extra shots in it.. he said they knew her by name. Anyways, my MIL would bring it home and if I was there, she’d put it in her car and when I fell asleep, she’d sneak it in and her and my wife would split it.

    When the end finally came, a couple of months ago, she claimed she drank just to piss me off, and that she only acted out because thats when I would pay attention to her. Folks, I started out paying a lot of attention to her, in fact through the years she has even told me I am too ‘clingy’…she denies she ever said it (is that ADHD?)

    She always encouraged me to go and do- I appreciate that about her. I always encouraged her to go and do. But then she’s tell me that I am always doing things without her and put friends first.. I have asked her many many times over the years if she wanted to go with me to do something and unless it was something she wanted to do or was interested in, she’d decline. But sometimes she would tell me that she was happy anywhere as long as she was with me? I guess because of the yo yo dynamics, I eventually ended up trying to act off her cues…if she wanted to go and do something and it was something other than a woman thing….then I would go, I think one of the big issues is that because I never denied her her time with her mom, they always went and shopped and did things.

    I don’t know….

    I guess, in my own way, I subconsciously started setting up my own ‘boundries’ over the years?

    Even when it came to the house I never stopped her from doing what she wanted to do, where to put furniture, the Christmas tree, etc etc. when it comes to laundry, I failed there and through the years I always wondered why laundry piled up and a lot of time I would put a t shirt on and when I sweat in it it would stink. I discovered that laundry would be left in the washer for days, then get put in the dryer. If I said something no matter how I said it, it was always taken as criticism. So I would start doing the laundry, and that was wrong because I was taking over….this yo yo happened time after time after time..so that eventually (because I didn’t know ADHD and she didn’t either yet) I just would say I was cleaning my clothes before you, and I know how to do it…don’t worry about or touch my clothes, I will do it. It made her mad. I thought I was helping take a load off.

    Now the caveat here is, when it comes to laundry and house work, she slowly started procrastinating after her mom moved in and it wasn’t long before mom was doing all the laundry and cleaning. I eventually stopped mom from doing my laundry and I told her many times that she is not our maid.

    I guess there is a lot of things I eventually quit doing or trying to help with because of all the times I got accused of taking over, or doing it ‘my way’….i didn’t understand.

    It even got that way with the outside, the yard and such….I always took pride in the yard, kept it mowed, weed eated, driveway/sidewalk edged…she and her mom and our son always played in the flower beds and that made me happy to see them. Then eventually my wife wanted to mow, she said it helped her unwind….But I noticed she never mowed properly and when I offered help she would get mad, because I was telling her she was doing wrong, and she would quit….this happened with everything…so I eventually stopped and didn’t do anything unless she asked me to. Because I wanted her happy

    Our house has ended up dirty, unkept, piles of clothes everywhere, disarray…now I understand…procrastination. And when I would start cleaning, she would get mad. Even though I said I was just trying to help, trying to take some of the load off her because she works too…it didn’t matter, and we would end up arguing.

    It got so bad that I gave up, I started procrastinating, letting stuff go…I started self-loathing, and I blamed her. I couldn’t understand why one minute I am the most awesome guy, then the next minute I am the sorriest SOB ever.

    I didn’t like for people to come over because I was embarrassed and ashamed. All I wanted to do was work, and come home. IF it was not a good day at home then I would stay and work, and work, and work…then come home and sleep and sleep and sleep….as would she.

    One thing that stands out- it seems like over the years, more often than not, ESPECIALLY over the last 10 years- every saturday morning that there were NO plans, a fight would magically spring up. i did notice that patern and even mentioned it. She had no real explanation and neither did I.  it would usually start something like this:

    Me- sitting and drinking a cup of coffee and comment 'Sure is a pretty day, kinda like a lazy day'

    her- oh yeah! I with ya. (except I would soon notice this air about her, that 'look') 

    Me- Are you ok? Is there anything I can do to help?

    Her- No...I'm fine.

    me -ok.

    Her (getting irritated)

    me- Ok whats wrong gal?

    Her- I cant do anything or plan anything with you sitting there. It just makes me want to sit down!

    me- ok, (standing up)  what can I help with (in a good mood with smile)

    her- irritated - I DIDNT ASK YOU TO DO ANYTHING!!!!

    me- I dont mind! (still in a semi good mood but alert)]

    Her- NEVERMIND!!!! and she goes and plops down in her recliner... 

    Me- ok well, I guess I'll go to work, I have stuff i can get done there. I love you

    Her- I love you too

    (later on i would get a text "just checkin on you! I love you! with a smiley face blowing a kiss)   This happened a LOT

    then when I would call her before I left work that evening- she would say "I didnt cook, you might want to stop and get something and I didnt do anything again today" to which I always replied, 'Thats ok, youv've been busy at work! Can I get yall something too? and we would exchange I love yous....I never understood these occurences.

    In the end the arguments turned into her saying she didn’t have an opinion, she didn’t have a say….and all I could do was tell her LOOK AROUND YOU!!! LOOK AT EVERYTHING…YOU HAD AN OPINION, YOU HAD YOUR SAY. THIS IS ALLLLLLL YOU. ( and thats something else that got affected the ADHD)

    During the last couple of years she always stated “WHEN AM I GOING TO BE GOOD ENOUGH!?” And I in turn felt the same way because everything she would say to me- I always thought and sometimes told her that she needed to go look in the mirror and say those things...(and that affected the ADHD)

    It got really ugly that night….i said a bunch of ugly things to her, as well as she saying ugly things to me…And as I did for the last 4 months is end up yelling to her YOU NEED HELP, WE NEED HELP, OUR SON NEEDS HELP!! And she would yell that NOBODY TELLS HER WHEN SHE NEED HELP, SHE WILL DECIDE WHEN SHE NEEDS HELP……and I ended up saying WHEN WAS IT GOING TO BE IMPORTANT? WHEN WAS IT GOING TO BE IMPORTANT FOR YOU? US? OUR SON????

    She never answered that

    In the Army we used to do what we call an AAR- that’s an ‘After Action Review’. It’s purpose is to, after any training exercise, to identify any failures in said exercise and come up with a solution to remedy said errors so that during the next exercise it goes smoothly and according to plan. This only works if you have the proper training, the proper knowledge and the proper tools to even begin the exercise, or you are doomed to failure.

    So my AAR-

    What failures were identified-

    1) Prior traumas that were not recognized, acknowledged, nor treated by either party before, or during the majority of the relationship- contributed to actions and reactions between the parties.

    2) Lack of proper knowledge of ideals when it comes to people working working together in a relationship, not enough empathy or lack thereof, eventual lack of compassion.

    3) Lack of proper communication on both sides and ignorance/ defiance to seek PROPER help in order to help sustainability of relationship.

    4) Lack of Teamwork.

    I used to take pride in the fact that, because I was in the Boy Scouts (never made Eagle, but I did make it to Star Scout) and the fact that I excelled during my 10 years in the United States Army, and because I had received certain morals and principles in my life. But not so much anymore, because the one thing…the ONE and only thing I wanted most in my life..is in a shambles and I HELPED MAKE IT THAT WAY.

    That’s is a very hard pill to swallow- I have been through 53 years of this life, and I stood tall, I stood proud, I was confident, I had purpose, I had goals and I knew where I wanted to go. But I failed…I failed because I let my TEAM down…. All because I didn’t have, nor second guess when I should have, nor took the initiative to do my OWN research, to improve my OWN self until it was too late.

    It may be too late for THIS relationship…its dead on arrival. I really think, as bad as it sounds, that it was doomed from the start, and NO amount of good intentions could have saved it unless there was one little thing….

    TEAM WORK.

    And I guess that is why I am here.

    I am here because I know that ADHD is real, I have lived it, I have abused it, and it isn’t something to disregard or take lightly. I am here because all my medical stuff is through the VA, and my therapist is a civilian but authorized through the VA…and she doesn’t see ADHD the same way the all of you, ME, and others see it. But, I cannot just change therapists that quick…It is a process through the VA and if any of you are veterans and have dealt with the VA then You know what I am talking about. Besides...After everything thats happened...I feel like maybe I have ADHD.

    I intend to change to one that DOES know ADHD and can help me with it, so I can help them.

    My hardest day in my whole life

    Was the three days that I took my truck and enclosed trailer and help my wife and my son move. Move out of what was supposed to be our happy home, our ‘safe place’ and know that I played a major role in creating this situation. And I am not proud at all. They think I am the reason, and rightly so.

    My hardest day was Christmas… I sat in this house- what was our home, where our dreams lived and died. And as I look around and see the different spots and can see the memories, those GREAT memories…and I helped end it. 

    My wife and I are amicable..we have a 17 year old son. He has ADHD too. I know she loves me, and she knows I love her. We have said as much. And my son knows we love him and I know he loves us.

    She told me that she knows she has daddy issues from childhood, She said she knows she needs therapy, and she would hope that one day she would and also that WE could sit down with a therapist and work through our stuff.  She also said that she never really had to be on her own, and she is right- I got her from her mom's apt...and she never had to try to make it on her own. 

    She said she wants to have fun, have friends, have friends come over- travel..

    She said she need to learn to love herself because nobody could lover her until she did.

    I told her that in my heart, I felt….no….I know that our story is not over.

    I owe it to her, I owe it to myself…but most importantly I owe it to our son.

    I havent spoke to her over 10 days. I dont intend to. Not because I dont want to, but because she left for reasons and I know I am one of them. its the least i can do.

    I’ve always been proud and reserved, and it used to take a lot to get me to open up. So my writing all of this, for yall to peruse and comment, and is only a DROP in the bucket of 30 years, took a LOT of inner me to post it.

    ( Reading thru all the posts, have also helped me see what an ass I have been- I also have a lot more growing to do)

    And I appreciate your listening to my story.

  • My ruined marriage due to undiagnosed ADHD (non-ADHD wife) by: Elliej 1 year 10 months ago

    I've been with my husband for 18years, dealing with undiagnosed ADHD (diagnosed this year). I thought my relationship was "normal", challenging yes, but challenges all couples face. 

    Aside from the standard mis-communications in ADHD/non-ADHD marriages, the interrupting, the impulsiveness, the forgetfulness, i've also had to deal with sexually explicit messages to another woman (2mths before he proposed), marijuana misuse for 16years, messages to an ex girlfriend (4mths prior to the wedding), getting fired for gross misconduct (2years ago: sexual harassment, racist jokes, homophobic jokes). Following him getting fired, I helped him with his HR process and he ignored me when i told him to resign (as he frequently ignored my opinion, as he couldnt comprehend why i thought differently). The worse thing is i thought this was normal behaviour. He passed it off as a joke, that there was no intent to hurt me and theres nothing happened "in the real world". Following him getting fired, he finally quit marijuana (as i had been asking for 10years)......and said he did it for me (he did it as he got fired). I picked him up, put him together again, boosted his ego, following him being fired when i could have divorced him. I expected a sorry and a thank you. And whilst he said sorry at the time, the following 1.5years he never really made an effort to go above and beyond to apologise. Instead he partially completed a dating profile (not active, so apparently no intent!). I found it and said nothing.....for 6months. Thats how in denial i was that this behaviour is normal.

     I sought counselling as i was having a breakdown. He didnt notice anything was wrong with me......im not seen by him at all. My last straw came when he contacted a women on facebook late at night asking if she wanted to talk as she seemed down.......all the while im in counselling trying to find a way to move forward from him getting fired, and he never noticed! I confronted him about what i had found and was told he had no recollection of the dating profile and the next day all passwords were changed. In addition he has a very very low sex drive but excessive porn use.

    I suddenly realised both my son and husband have ADHD and paid privately for my husband to get diagnosed first......after 3months of him dragging his feet. Im the main breadwinner. It was like someone had lifted the lid on my 'perfect' life. 

    We are now temporarily separated and im calm. Im eating again. My son is fine (i never thought he would be) but i dont know if i should go back and try to work at it, following his diagnosis. My problem is those words of sexual harassment are too much and ive tried through counselling for 7mths to move past it. Any support would be appreciated. Thank you. 

  • Its me again by: ShouldaCouldaWoulda 1 year 10 months ago

    I am new here, and this my second post.

    I have spent the last 2 months reading this forum, all the things people have posted could have been me and my 30 year relationship.

    Since it has ended, I feel that I shouldn't be tying up anyone here because my relationship is over.

    I have so many questions, so much I am trying to reconcile- maybe most of you have had that feeling...'Was anything real?'

    So i am asking if it is ok for me to post here, in this forum, even on just this thread, about some of the things that took place...some of the actions on both sides and the ending few months.

    I have been seeing a therapist through the VA for the last 3 years to unravel things in my past- the caveat is that she has reservations about Adult ADHD- she thinks most of the time Borderline Personality Disorder is mis diagnosed as ADHD. Just off the things I have shared with her, she thinks my ex is actually BPD and NOT  Severe ADHD like she was diagnosed as back in 2012.

    Anyways, I think that is also a reason why i seek answers here too.

    If I am not allowed to post here since I am no longer in that relationship, well other than we have a 17 year old son that lives with her, and he was supposedly diagnosed with adhd by his doctor, I will understand.

    Thanks

  • Need help with non ADHD wife who is done by: Cmonkey83 1 year 10 months ago

    This is the background and extremely basic summary of how ADHD has affected my marriage. 
     

    I was recently diagnosed with ADHD and started medication along with adding ADHD coping strategies to my established mental health plan by my therapist.

    My wife is not neurodivergent. 

    After the diagnosis and my research into ADHD, traits and behaviors commonly associated with it, and ways to live and even benefit from those traits and behaviors as well as how to control the ones I can't benefit from, I have realized after discovering The ADHD Effect on Marriage, how the past 18 years of marriage with untreated ADHD with other comorbidities contributed to the abysmal state of my marriage. 

    My wife and I have similar traumas from our both of our childhoods. Other than that we both had a completely different upbringing, with different values and morals.

    I just thought I was broken and she thought I don't care. We didn't understand that we both don't just think differently but that my brain is wired differently and that I experience life differently than people who are not neurodivergent.

    I also had to not show any emotions and was not allowed to express my feelings from the time I was a small child and my "macho, alpha male", dominated career in the Army exacerbated the problem. Eventually I had compartmentalized almost all feelings and emotions, walking around numb except for anger. The closest thing I can describe it as is acquired psychopathic and sociopathic emotional degradation. I understood when I should be feeling a certain feeling or emotion, could fake it well enough on the surface for it to pass muster for most people, but I was numb.

     

     I married my wife in 2005 and since then my wife and I have been battling this ADHD monster that we didn't know was there. I didn't have the emotional IQ to be anything but a complete failure as a husband to know when and how to support her emotional needs, and she had the patience of a saint that I was able to completely destroy.

    We didn't know that I was neurodivergent so neither of us understood that I was wired differently and needed to be handled differently. I just thought I was a selfish monster and couldn't get with the program.

     Without knowing it she was pushing the exact triggers that would negatively stimulate me into noncompliance, cause me to retaliate, or cause me to withdraw from her.

    It eventually wore me down to the point that I didn't care and chose to let an affair happen when a coworker propositioned me from mid 2009 to the end of 2010. My wife found out and didn't necessarily take me back but didn't leave.

    Early 2014 we were going through a very rough patch and she turned me down on vacation so I was going through angry feelings about that so I had a one night stand. I admitted it to my wife after she was suspicious abd was poking me about it for weeks.

    May 2018 to February 2019 I had been away for work and while I was gone my wife and I had an argument on the phone about her treating me in a way that I had perceived as disrespectfully so she just stopped communicating with me unless a major financial decision needed to be made. After repeated attempts to talk I accepted it and didn't let myself fall victim to the loneliness that time.

    When I got home February 2019 she said she doesn't want me to touch her and needed time to process her feelings because it felt like I was invading her space after being gone. After about six months I asked her to talk to me about it and she said she still couldn't feel like letting me touch her so to go do whatever I wanted. I wasn't looking for anything but someone approached me and propositioned me and I did it again, then I cut that off a month or so later. Concurrently I had a one night stand with someone else that I had been friends with in high school.

    In 2020 my mental health was steadily declining so I started going to therapy for PTSD, depression, and anxiety. Then about a year later in 2021 my wife agreed to start going to marriage counseling. She didn't actively participate much nor was she willing to even work at making the changes that the therapist suggested to her so it drove me even further away.

    I went away for work again for a year in December 2021 and it seemed like out of sight out of mind and she wouldn't talk to me at all. I started intensive therapy because I was feeling abandoned and hopeless.

    I was also diagnosed with ADHD in June or July this year. And the addition of ADHD meds and focused therapy for it, I am a completely different person as well as having a moment that my off switch for emotions flipped on since I was a school age child. And they hit hard. Much of what my wife was always asking for verbally and nonverbally I am learning to be able to provide and is ready for her if she reaches out and takes my hand. Only she hasn't seen me through this journey because she checked out.

    I have been back about two weeks and she is so cold and when I told her that I want to discuss the future and try to talk to her about my experience, I just get an angry brush off.

    She said she doesn't want to be with me anymore because I am unreliable and have never supported her emotionally, but that I need to be patient with her to see if her feelings change. I got her a copy of The ADHD Effect on Marriage, with the hope that she will have the same experience with it that I did and it clicked that so much was because neither one of us knew that I had ADHD or understood that both of our behaviors were causing damage to the other one or understand why. But I don't even know if she'll read it.
     

    Now with that novel of a post does anyone have any advice or experiencef from a similar situation? I'm trying to get through to her to try and understand my behaviors and how the ADHD brain works. I'm not trying to excuse it, or blame the ADHD for my poor choices but to understand how I came to those choices and why it made sense or was on an impulse and not thought out.

    Any advice will be appreciated and extremely valuable. 
     

    C.

  • First international trip with my ADHD partner stressing me out by: ndn 1 year 10 months ago

    Hi all! New here. My partner 32M diagnosed with ADHD and I are going away to NZ in three days. Usually I would be so excited to leave the country (first time since 2019) but the lead up and packing has been stressful to say the least. Sorry for the upcoming rant. 

    I feel like I'm planning a trip with a child. This is his first trip overseas since 2010 and I'm stuck in the position of having to explain airport security procedures even though they can easily google simple things like "suitcase limits" and "what can't I bring on a flight?". I shouldn't have to explain to a 32 year old man that if you wrap camera batteries in parts of your clothing that it might be inconvenient to repack or even find again in the future. I stress the "find again in the future" because he is loses everything and then if I can't find it it somehow becomes my fault or he gets ADHD temperamental. I asked him to please pack things in packing cubes/small bags to make it easier and he just started being dismissive and was plain rude. I'm always careful with my tone and try and be supportive and helpful, but playing nice seems to be biting me in the ass. It makes me want to cry just knowing that at some point in the future I'm going to have to deal with him losing something and not knowing how he will react. 

    On top of it the whole planning has been one sided. Flights/accommodation/car rental you name it, all planned by myself. The trip has been booked since September and he never takes initiative for actual booking, just hyperfocuses on hiking videos of NZ without actually figuring out the logistics. Glad to see he is excited but watching 50 videos on hiking suggestions without writing a single one down and then having to watch them again with the same result with no tangible plan is bloody annoying. 

    I'm exhausted and frustrated. How can he not take initiative, even for the smallest things, like writing his own luggage tag? Does anyone else have to be a parent for their ADHD partner when planning a trip? And does anyone have tips for working around a disorganised packer? 

    Again, sorry if the above comes across as insensitive to people with ADHD. Flip side is that I am going for an ADHD test next month, and find it even more frustrating that we don't share the same forgetfulness rules. He loses track of time - I'll pick up the pieces. I lose track of time? Well then it just wasn't good enough. 

     

     

  • My dilemma with my girlfriend by: Frank7322 1 year 10 months ago

    My long distance girlfriend (who was diagnosed with ADD/depression years ago) basically told me a couple of weeks back how due to her ADD she forgot to bring in an assignment to her vet tech class and got an F (it's an aggressive one year school before she graduates). Then she said she's thinking of stripping. I told her don't as it's dangerous (particularly where she has to live to be near the school). She blocked me for no reason last week. We are still friends on Facebook and the only way to chat is on her posts. This week is finals for her. Well today, she did a post basically saying she's thinking hard on stripping. So obviously she's not doing well and has been depressed. Since the only way to talk is to comment on that post, should I reiterate what I said to her a couple of weeks ago? Knowing her like I do, she won't pay attention to me. Even if I comment, she may delete it and block me. I don't know what to do. 

     

  • I am new here by: ShouldaCouldaWoulda 1 year 10 months ago

    I have questions about ADHD and need some help reconciling my thoughts and feelings after a 30 year relationship ended 2 months ago.

    1) What happens when an ADHD spouse- female, aged 50, doesnt seek therapy/treatment strategies for the ADHD?

    2) What happens when said ADHD spouse does not take medication properly, lays off of it on weekends, or misses it?

    3) What happens when said ADHD spouse also is a closet drinker and self medicates with alcohol because it 'helps them deal with issues'?

    4) What happens when said ADHD spouse and myself also have a 17 year old son that also has ADHD and the ADHD spouse will not help get son proffessional help?

    I have a whole lot more to the story, but I am currently trying to reconcile the fallout after the end.

    Thanks.

  • Recently diagnosed partner struggling and avoiding me by: IckyVicky99 1 year 10 months ago

    I am new to this community but super grateful to have people to turn to to ask for help and opinions. My partner 24M and I 23F have been together for 5 years now, and last week J (my partner) has been diagnosed with ADHD I'm assuming during his last therapy session. After his therapy sessions he always calls me on the drive home to tell me about it. After the session and we do our scheduled call he goes on to tell me that we needed a break from our relationship, to have more space to work on himself, and hung up before I could've asked what happened. (At this time he hasn't told me about his diagnosis. )

    After work I came home to ask him what was going on and he seemed to avoid every question I asked, leading me to stay the night elsewhere to give him space. The next day I came home after work and he packed enough clothes to last him a week and went to stay with his mother. The only text he gave me just reinstated the fact that this was on him and that he needs to do this for him and that he still loves and cares for me. I assumed this was him struggling with the stress of his law school finals so I was okay with leaving him with some space. But 24 hours turned into days which turned to a week now. He blocked my number after I've tried to call him on numerous occasions, I have anxiety and abandonment issues so I've been struggling with him leaving so suddenly. 

    Knowing that he would return eventually home to grab more clothes I on instinct wrote him a short letter just saying how much I love and support him even from the longest distance,  and how proud I was for him to be finishing the semester. 

    Its been a week now..

    He came by the house while I was gone at work yesterday and left a note by our bed which summarized as, " I know how hard this has been for you, this has been so difficult for me, I care for you and pickles (our dog) so much, I've called the suicide hotline multiple times and was diagnosed with ADHD. I hope in time you, pickles and I can be friends again. I'm just so sorry." He took my letter with him and my roommate heard him crying in our bedroom so I can only assume he's struggling with guilt right now for leaving so suddenly with zero contact with me.

    After reading that note he left it sends me into a panic attack, so I reached out to his mother who he is staying with at this time and she told me that he is okay and she'll keep an eye on him. I told her how scared I was and how much I want to help but am afraid of being pushed away.  All she responds with is she knows that I would be there for him and understands why I'm worried. And that she would tell him that I'm ready to talk with him whenever he is.

    Everyday I make sure to send him a morning message and a night message, just reminding him how loved he is and how I'm here for him. Other times I just say to take care of himself. I think he has me blocked or is ignoring my messages cause I had my roommate send him copies of the messages I wrote to him and all he responded with was "I appreciate you all caring. I will be ok" 

    I'm doing as much research as I can during this time on ADHD to gain knowledge on how we can work on this together. 

    He's never just run away like this before and it worries me sick. We always were good about sitting down for a conversation about our feelings together and this is so out of character for him. All I want to do is help him but I'm afraid of pushing him away. We live with his childhood friends and they are even shocked and confused on why he's going about this the way he did. 

    What advice can you give? I miss him so much and want this to work 

     

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