I can't cry another day. My spouse has acknowledged ADHD. He uses it for every excuse why he responds, reacts or behaves. I am very sick . Sex has never been pain free for me , ever, due to bladder disease. Lately it has hurts worst and I went to doctors. Same day I did this my tooth chipped. This is how it today went...I told my dh (dear husband)that my tooth chipped. He said"great, doesn't instill much faith in your dentist. On way to doc office, I grabbed the mail on the way out of house to read in car enroute. My dh says" why are so damn obsessed about the damn mail, it drives me crazy". Then we got to doctors and I had to go into detail about our lousy painful sexlife. I have some kind of infection (note I have lupus, I am walking petri dish in the waiting) and I am in peri menopause. No wonder sex hurt. Procedure was really painful. I tell him and he says quote" what do you want me to do, hold your hand?". I said I want you show empathy. I asked him to clarify what he heard and in a sarcastic monotone voice said I heard you. When I asked him to clarify in his own words . He, in the same sarcastic robot voice repeated what I said. Then he screams we have had a shitty sex life for years , why did I want to fix it now. I have always wanted to fix it , just to embarrassed and over the years sad to do anything about it. I also just had my bladder removed and trying to deal with all that entails.. Once he said that all hell broke out. He recites the parts in the book that I am doing wrong but won't look within. I said re the mail or anything that makes you mad. If I know it annoys him, then I wouldn't do it. Your assumptions that I am obsessed and trying to drive crazy. I like peace and that's what's I am striving to fine. He started screaming about how things are all in my head and a handful of awfully mean comments. I said I might make you angry because I haven't found an appropriate communication technique that works but I never say one hurtful thing to you.there is no excuse for you hurting me & using my fears against me as ammunition. I don't hate ADHD, I hate that he is making a choice to continue to hurt me. Asking him to read the book with me is getting old. I tell him things to evoke empathy and all it dies it makes him madder . My idea of empathy is " I am sorry your tooth broke, I know you hate dentists" or "that must really been unpleasant having that exam today are you ok?". That's all the empathy I was looking for. Now between being very sick, having a sick daughter ( heart disease and other issues) living off my disability pension and a shorten life span, I need a break. The fact I am a Social Worker isn't helping because he assumes Should have cured us by now, lol
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- Lost and confused with my situation by: Anonymous (not verified) 12 years 3 months ago
- just looking at my situation by: jennalemon 12 years 3 months ago
I consider myself non ADD. I have a sister who is often irked with me for not having things "buttoned up" in my life as SHE would like them. She has an air of superiority and rolls her eyes and uses a disdainful tone of voice. We are both a little OCD. She is much more than me. She has money and is extremely proud of herself. I would call myself about average in pride and money. But I get to see and feel how it is to be the one who knows I COULD do better or more and sometimes I feel bad for letting her expectations (and my own) down. I can see how sometimes you have to ignore some things that are said because you don't want to have to hold yourself to someone else's standards. I need to distance myself from her ever judgmental criticisms (like my ADD guy does with me) and keep my own dignity without trying for her approval. There is a difference in standards. I can feel them from both sides of the experience.
If her and I HAD to live together, we would have to talk and talk and cooperate and make agreements. We would have to work at it. If I refused to discuss or converse. If I denied there was a problem. If I went on my own merry way and did what I felt like it and let her pay the bills and clean up after me while I let everyone think that I was a great provider and strong and happy myself. If I called her too sensitive. If told her she was a nag. If I made promises and then broke them. I would expect that she would move out and say "just because you are giving up on life and growth, doesn't mean I must live like that".
If I said to her, "We have different standards and abilities. Here is what I need and what I am willing and able to do. I am willing to put in some effort if you are willing to let some things go." She might say to me, "Try harder". I think I would appreciate her helping me set my standards higher and I WOULD try harder. But that is me.
My ADD guy gave up on trying over 15 years ago. I really believe he needs to make me feel his pain. Pain and criticism that he has gotten from outside of the marriage. There is nothing I can do to make our relationship better. He wants to hold on to his own form of dignity which seems to consist of his power over me (which I gave to him by committing to the relationship).
- Filed for divorce from ADHD husband by: Kelleigh97 12 years 3 months ago
7 years of marriage and two children later and it's finally time to end things. My husband was diagnosed with ADHD as a child, but I wasn't aware that he had it for many, many years into our marriage. I was seduced by a charming, attractive man who was once my world! From the day we got married I cooked, cleaned and tries to be the perfect wife. I even let him have several boys nights out with the guys because I trusted him. Two weeks after we got married I sat down to our laptop and found him still logged into his email. Tie weeks after we got married I found out that he had been having an affair from the moment he proposed. I quickly kicked him out but let him come back days later because I loved him. I would later find out that he went to her house to have sex with her that night. I wish that I could say that things got better after that time...but, he was always broke, wouldn't help out around the house and started hyper focusing on bowling, NASCAR and wrestling. I felt so lonely and I had to beg him for a date night...he told me he could squeeze me in on Wednesday evenings when he didn't have anything going on. Then came the pregnancies...I threw up for 4-months straight with both pregnancies and has to go to the hospital Often to get IVs, he left me alone upstairs in my room for nights at a time. I would cry myself to sleep because I was so jealous of those women who had men who would run out for pregnancy cravings or get excited to feel the baby kick while my husband's new obsession had become semi-pro football. Eventually the house had gotten so disgusting that I had to my a mask just to clean while suffering through the morning sickness. I thought it would get better...but, while I was in labor for 48 hours my husband was complaining that he was tired and falling asleep or playing on his phone while my sister-in-law helped me breathe through contractions. I finally had a c-section and my husband left me alone for 6 hours to drink beer with his dad...meanwhile I has no one to help me get my baby up to breast feed or assist me with going to the bathroom. I sobbed uncontrollably. The following weekends he spent out of town with football, leaving me with a newborn baby...my heart was broken. Three months later I was pregnant again..
It never got better. Their were many other email relationships that I caught him in...he'd never really apologize or never seem to think he'd fine anything wrong...I was dying a little every day. I was overwhelmed with trying to keep it all together with 2 small children and an ADHD husband. I would talk to him about my hopes and dreams or cry to him when I was upset and needed emotional support, but within 30 seconds he'd interrupt me to talk about himself or something random. Eventually I just stopped talking even when someone closed to be passed away. I felt such sadness and I was angry! I yelled and screamed just so he would hear my cries for help but it never worked. Then he became obsessed with porn...the object of his new hyper focus. I was always a super confident woman, but the affairs, the porn and the non-acknowledgement raped me of my self-esteem little by little until I was overweight and suicidal. How could a man who promised to love me hurt me so bad?
My husband had our utilities shut off several times, planned vacations for himself with his buddies and friends from high school but never once took me overnight anywhere or on any vacations. He probably only took me on 5 real dates in 8 years. Yet I stayed even though every day I was so unbelievably sad...why couldn't he just love me enough not to let his ADHD ruin everything? I gave and gave to him. I was the bread winner, the maid and the cook. I just wanted someone to care and to hold me when I hurt. He did try meds for one year but wouldn't really try with the cognitive therapy. He could never taken responsibility for his ADHD and would pass the blame to me. I would try to help him with lists, texts and phone reminders but he'd ignore them and I get pissed! Love starting turning to hate...and, finally I decided to get out. His ADHD was affecting me and my kids and causing psychological damage. My kids were upset because daddy would sleep the weekends away and wouldn't play with them and go kid stuff...he started hyper focusing on car shows instead and his dad time with them would only be bringing them along for his hobby not caring that three and four year olds are more interested in the zoo than car stereo system competitions. The final straw came when the water and gas was shutoff again on my children and I forcing us to bathe with water bottles and not being able to cook because gas was out...all while his 32-year-old self was partying for 6 nights out at the bar every single night on a bros only Florida vacation. I finally had the moment of clarity that I could go on with his failure to find ways to control his ADHD or I could get out and finally have a shot at real love and happiness. It was like I was relieved of a 1000 pounds of baggage. I generally feel sorry for by soon-to-be-ex...he has no money to move out and he still blames everyone else for his problems instead of the ADHD. I'm going to eventually be fine...now I worry about my children visiting him...
The real kicker? I'm a senior non-commissioned officer in the United States military with many awards, decorations and educational degrees, I'm a Veteran of two wars, highly successful in my career and a loving mother. I can fight the Taliban, but I could not fight my husband's ADHD. How sad is that? I've never failed at anything...I put up with my cheating, self-centered ADHD husband for too long and it almost made me take my own life. I'm thankful that I have seen the light and have decided to let go of the toxicity because I know that one day I'll find someone worthy for me to love and someone who will love me completely...
- Need a resource by: A33ey 12 years 3 months ago
Does anyone know of a short, concise, printable list of common ways that ADHD effects a marriage? I want something to show the counselor on Monday just in case they have not read about it. I'm too emotionally drained and feeling too much anxiety right now to write one out myself, and if it comes from another source other than me, it might serve our purpose better. Any links would be very appreciated. Thanks!
- What do you tell your daughter... by: Pbartender 12 years 3 months ago
...when she's been up all night, it's 4:30 in the morning, and without any word her mother hasn't yet come home from the birthday party she went to last night?
Pb.
- Playing Med-Roulette' by: ChaosQueen 12 years 3 months ago
I know others of you have offered some advice about what meds worked for you, but I figure it's time to post my whole medication saga in the hopes that maybe there is a better way to find the right med/dosage for me without just picking at random and giving it a shot and then trying again over and over until somehow eventually stumbling on the solution.
I am 33 now. I was diagnosed at 18 during a semester off from college after nearly flunking out my first year. The psychiatrist who initially treated me put me on ritalin. Soon after, I went back to college (out of state) and then only saw a doctor at the campus med center once a month to get my refill. He drilled me with suspicious questions every month to be sure I wasn't just faking it and hooked on the meds, as if that could somehow suddenly change from one month to the next. I didn't like taking my ritalin and wasn't all that consistent about it. Knowing what I know now, I am sure it was either the wrong med or the wrong dosage. Eventually I stopped taking the ritalin. A few years later I went back on it for a while and, although I still wasn't sure I really liked being on it, I was told by others that it helped regulate my mood. Eventually, I went off it again.
Fast forward to now, over ten years later. I have since learned so much more about what ADD is, how it affects me, and how to better manage it. I also have different priorities and goals. I am now married with four kids. But, as time goes by and my kids are starting to get older, I have realized that I have never truly managed my ADD effectively, despite understanding it and dealing with it. But, I can't keep just dealing with it. I need to better manage myself, my home, and my family. And, it seems to me that I have an amazing set of tools I've acquired over the years, but can't seem to use them properly and being on medication is the missing piece of the puzzle. So, I went to my current doctor to get back on some meds.
My husband (who's also ADD) takes adderall, so I tried some of his for a few days before seeing my doc. (I know, I know. I don't need a lecture on why that's a no-no.) I told him about it and that I could tell there was something happening, and he put me on adderall, too. Started at 15mg 2x/day. Upped it to 22.5mg. Have also tried it at 30mg dose. I can tell some difference, most notably to my mood and patience. On adderall I am much more in control of my emotions and much more able to deal with the day to day challenges of having young kids. I am able to better focus mentally. However, I have never felt significant effect on my motivation and my ability to get started (much less finish what I start), which is one of the things I struggle with the most.
After a month of trying the adderall, I had a followup with my doc. I told him I can see and feel a difference, but not the clarity and "turning on the lights" or "fog clearing" I keep hearing about from others. He is now trying me on ritalin. I don't like it. It doesn't seem to help much with focus, not at all with motivation, and very little with moods. In fact, the opposite is often true. Quite often, ritalin makes me feel irrationally angry, almost raging. I can tell the anger and frustration is irrational, but it takes all my energy to keep it under control. I'm supposed to be trying this for a month and then go back for another followup. I don't think I can handle a month on ritalin, with basically no benefit and a side effect of extra anger and impatience.
My doctor, bless his heart, is great for all other health issues I've gone to him with. But, he just doesn't really know much about ADD or ADD meds. He just kind of shoots from the hip, and at this rate, it could be ages before we stumble across the right prescription for me. (Side note, although my doctor thinks 3 doses a day is too much, I find taking a third dose really helps because otherwise all the effects are gone my dinnertime, leaving me without the benefits of regulated mood and abilities during the time of day my family needs me to be at the top of my game the most.)
I know I ought to find a doctor who has more experience treating ADD, but I am at a loss as to how to find one of those. So, for now, I am trying to learn as much as I can about what course to try next, because this game of med-roulette isn't working for me. Any advice? Anyone experience similar effects from either of these, and if so, what eventually worked for you? Is there a better way to figure out the right combination of med and dosage, based on my most problematic symptoms and the effects of the two I have tried?
- Putting feet on the ground and walking forward by: sirena 12 years 3 months ago
Going to put this post here even though it is not your typical happy ending. So many posts and comments here filled with such pain and an utter loss of hope where the non spouse has given up in hurt and anger and/or has decided to forge ahead and make his/her way to a better, less painful life by ending the relationship. I'm in the latter category with one thing to add: I adore my husband. I love him so much that I just want to see him happy. He is a wonderful, an amazing human being with so much life, compassion, brilliance, courage, and creativity in him that I respect and admire him more than I can say. He is also a cheat, a liar, an addict, and in absolute, complete, utter denial about the final addiction he has to face (sex/love) and about his adhd symptoms and their impact. This morning I told him I need a divorce. Period. And that it will be okay and that I wish him well. I have been through so much turmoil that it is taking a definite physical toll on my health and also impacted my sanity. As a struggling couple over the last several years we began with AA and Alanon. They sort of helped but not really. Then he stopped drinking, of his own volition - so proud of him! A huge, gargantuan step. (His alcoholism was the area of our lives where I actually learned to successfully detach - this helped a ton with the adhd symptoms as well so I'm also proud of myself.) Then we tried marriage counselling and individual counselling. Lots of help but not enough. Sadly, the counsellor we both saw does not seem to understand adhd in adults very well. Then 12 step programs for sex addiction and for partners of sex addicts. Oh, that fit very well and helped a ton, but not enough. So he worked hard and tried differently and changed much in his life, as did I. Sex became healthy and enjoyable in our relationship again and has been ever since, and he has gotten a grip on the effects of porn, sex, and masturbation. But, still not enough. Meanwhile I (as an elementary school teacher) recognized that he has adhd in spades and began reading up on how it works in adults. Then he realized it as well on his own and went for evaluation and got a formal diagnosis. Through the diagnosis he realized what I've always known - he has a brilliant mind! Super high IQ but always saw himself as stupid. Started treatment but lots of our "experts" here are behind the times. Family doc prescribed Dexedrine because it was all she knew and she didn't do nearly enough follow up and tweaking. Psychiatrist didn't become involved in his treatment at all other than to approve diagnosis and the need for meds, then left the choices up to the family doc, not following through with my husband. No fewer than four medical/mental health professionals were all "treating" my husband and all of them dropped the ball in the spring by not following up when he quit his treatment out of the blue and saying nothing to them, saying to me that meds had too many side effects (I don't doubt that but he refused to talk with doc about trying other meds) and that accepting treatment forced him to deny his true self. My take on it: successful treatment, which was happening at that point, was going to force him to take the final step of breaking off his platonic but romantically invested relationship with a former affair partner. He left this morning to "give her a ride" from the place she's been working about an 8hour drive away. Translation: give her a ride = spend the weekend together. They haven't been sexually involved for years but his mind is so hyperfocused on her that it doesn't matter - I fade into non-existence when she enters his field of vision, literally or not. So, here it is... I told him this morning that we'll be divorcing. He's terrified of divorce and has fought me on it before - he had a horribly traumatic experience over his parents' divorce at age 6 so he has been unwilling to consider it for us. I have my work cut out for me! We've lived separately under the same roof many times in the last several years so we'll hopefully be able to do that again (large old house, separate floors for each of us) for the next 2 years until our second daughter graduates. Meanwhile we can fix the house up for sale, save some money, scope out a lawyer, etc.
Here's the crux: if I had known then (15 years ago) what I know now about adhd, I am 100% certain that he and I would be happily growing old together. We're an amazing couple - we both have a joie de vivre and a fun and loving spirit. We've healed soooo many things through increasing knowledge but we were already too far gone. I"m sobbing as I type this - he'd be an amazing person to grow old with - he's an incredible man and I still can't believe that he chose to be with me all of those years ago. We had our first child before we were married and I can see, as if it were yesterday, the look of joy and wonderment on his face as he looked at me when I told him we were having a child together. Like nothing imaginable could be finer than creating a family together. And all along, when we're good together, we're amazing together. But he's filled with shame and distraction and impulsivity and inability to take in information and compulsion and fear and... He blames me for so much of it now and so when I call him on his infidelity, as I simply must, he just receives confirmation that I'm dangerous and not to be trusted. Too late, too late.
Everytime I write something on here, I go on for far too long. My poor adhd spouse - having to focus on the ramblings of such a wordy person for all these years. But I posted because I need to share in a safe place the decision I've made. I'm afraid I'll back down and I have to stay strong. I posted under this heading because I can see the beauty in the person who has treated me, at times, like shit because of the ways his brain works, not because he's a bad person and I want us all to remember that. I posted under the heading of hope because I know that we would have had hope had we just tried differently sooner in our relationship and so many of you who are here and are learning can live that hope. I know that we've been on the right track and that if time had been on our side we could have made it together! Non- spouses: there are potentially beautiful people within those scattered minds and behind those hurtful symptoms. ADHD spouses: try to do what my husband cannot and see and accept the love that is always there (whether it seems that way or not) that keeps your partner by your side through thick and thin, for better and often for much, much worse. I'm going to sign off very dramatically (hey, at least I admit I'm dramatic! Sometimes I make myself roll my eyes) by saying that I'm going to go cry now and grieve for what sometimes was and what should have been forever.
Beginning to let go... Thanks for "listening" and helping me to feel less alone.
- She noticed... by: Pbartender 12 years 3 months ago
"Thanks for getting so much of the cooking and cleaning done over the last week or so... I've just been so tired from the extra training getting ready for my new position at work."
Pb.
- In crisis mode, need hope by: A33ey 12 years 3 months ago
This is my first post. I read Melissa's book, and others, and it all rings true for my husband and I. We have an appointment on Monday to see a counselor. My husband doesn't agree that our relationship issues stem from ADHD, but I know that they do. I "worked on myself" for years, I did counseling, thinking maybe I'm depressed, maybe I have postpartum depression, maybe this is anxiety... it got to the point where my insurance company wouldn't support any more therapy for me as a "reason was not clearly defined." He was so good at making me believe it was all my fault. The resources I have read have been the affirmation I was missing all these years, that something bigger was going on. When my husband was diagnosed, I tried to become an expert on this, reading all that I could, so I could understand him and help him. As a teacher, I always believed that it was about disorganization and distraction, but it is SO MUCH MORE than that! I wish he could see this. If I read him excerpts, he gets mad saying I'm not a doctor and nothing I say is valid. He makes wild assumptions, like I'm out to get him, or gather information to use against him. I'm just trying to save us! He doesn't get it. Before I knew this information, we tried marital counseling from a therapist who shared that she had ADHD herself (I thought this was unprofessional?). All the sessions seemed to hyperfocus on things like who should have done the dishes. At one point, I voiced concern about all the junk in his car and the baby being transported in it (dozens of metal clipboards, heavy books, trash, etc. can be projectiles in a crash) and all the therapist said was, "well, being tidy just isn't a priority for him. Maybe you should clean out his car." I was at a loss. We stopped going because our relationship got worse. Now we are about to try again and I am so afraid that this new therapist won't know about the non-adhd partner's struggles, and he will just say "told you so." We have hit rock bottom. I left him this week and took my children with me (I have a 2 month old and a 3 year old who are suffering from all the dysfunction) when communication had broken down so badly that I couldn't say a single sentence without a defensive attack. I'm not good at handling all this hurt. I've gone on so long feeling crazy, unlovable, unattractive, uninteresting, like I'm just a dictator, a micro-manager or a maid. I can't stop crying, I have no appetite but I am nursing so I need to keep eating. I don't know if this is even salvageable. I'm so scared. Divorce seems like the end of the world, but I don't know if I can live in this hell anymore. Our mothers got involved and it is ugly. He and his mother want us to remain under the same roof, "go through the motions" and wait until Monday, like it's going to be a magic fix. I, on the other hand, feel like it's mental torture, watching him be able to "put on a face" and go along with his life while I am grieving and feeling sick. He is angry that I left for 2 days with the kids (yet had no problem sending us away for entire weekends so he could do things he wanted to do) so I took them home to him, only to see him put them in front of the TV while he went on the computer. He didn't even notice it was lunch time! I don't think he can take care of my kids alone, but he demands 50/50 time with them. I'm already see signs of hyperactivity in my 3 year old. I feel completely stupid for not getting out before having children. Now I feel like I MUST find some hope, I must make this work. I can't regret my children, they are my heaven. I have put all my hope into this new therapist on Monday. I hope we can get somewhere. I worry I won't say the right things. I worry I won't be articulate, and I thought about making a list of things to talk about but I don't want to go in looking like a controlling person or like I want to place blame. I just need to learn how to react to his behaviors but it is so hard. Can't he see our marriage is dying? Can't he look at what the future will be like? For him? For the kids? Can't he understand the gravity of the situation? Why can't we get along and be happy? We have everything to be thankful for, healthy children, no one is dying... At this point I'm rambling. Sorry. I am just so sick with fear.
- Dealing with an "Invisible" Disability by: PoisonIvy 12 years 3 months ago
Hi. I've posted many times; just an update for those unfamiliar with my situation. I've been married almost 30 years. My husband was diagnosed with ADHD within the past two or three years. He also has been treated for depression since he was a teenager and for anxiety. He has been fired from two jobs and has a very difficult time getting new jobs. (He's not looking now despite weekly visits to a vocational rehabilitation counselor and my heartfelt pleas that he actively search for employment.) My husband is getting paid currently by his parents, with whom he spends three or four days a week, helping out. I work part-time, with my work consisting of almost 30 hours per week for one employer and freelance jobs that I do at home.
This summer, our two adult children are at home. The children provide some help around the house although not as much as would be ideal. My husband does almost none of the "visible" housework (that is, things apparent to me or the children or guests; he does work on the cars, fill the little swimming pool in the backyard, and make an effort at keeping his bedroom, which used to be our bedroom, clean). I'm very tired and very stressed and staying in the marriage only because of finances at this point. The children are aware of tension between my husband and me and are aware that their dad does not pitch in much but I'm not sure they know why.
Finally, my question: What do you say to other people about why your life is falling apart and how do you ask for help, when one of the reasons is that you're married to someone with an invisible disability like ADHD (and in this situation, its companions anxiety and depression)? I don't want to embarrass him or reveal too much but yet, I hate to live dishonestly. Thank you.