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  • Pain - His or mine? by: jennalemone 7 years 8 months ago

    If a husband is motivated by his pain and not yours, then you’ve got to think through how to help him experience that pain—pain not caused by you, but as a consequence of his actions. This is such a crucial distinction: you are not to intentionally cause him pain; rather, you’re stopping your previous practice of rescuing him from the painful consequences of the foolish choices he is making.   ...Gary Thomas, Counselor.

    WOW!  I have thought often about whether my H would be happier living with someone else.  Someone who knew how to handle/manage him. I had turned into a resentful complainer.  I thought that there must be someone out there who would have the right attitude, the right perspective the right "way to be" to be a complement to his life and "live happily ever after" with him.  I thought I just didn't know how to BE with him.  At the core of that belief, that there is someone out there who could do better than me with him, is this -  That he must feel the consequence of his actions.  Not my punishments or my criticisms but the pain of the consequence of his actions.

    I know that this is the panacea of many of us spouses of analyzing and chaos and desires.   That the ADDer become aware and changes.  We can't make them change.  But we don't have to rescue them from their own pain of their actions.   We don't have to be the fall guy for everyone in the family.  We don't have to hush it up, dress it up or put up with things that are unacceptable.  We can structure our family to turn things around so that the criminal feels the pain of his own crime.  So that the children and wife do not have to feel the pain of a parent's irresponsibility/name calling/verbal blaming. But step outside the cycle of enablement and silence and let the blowout happen.

    How do we do that?  I'm working on that.

  • advice on how to change MY mindset by: dvance 7 years 8 months ago

    I need some advice:  clearly all of us are posting here because we are unhappy.  For myself, I have run out of things to try and I am done trying to fix my marriage.  There is no marriage.  We are roommates and nothing more.  Having said that...how can I change MY mindset to be a more positive person overall.  It is a real struggle for me right now.  During the Lenten season I try to not only give up something (TV after 8pm) but also doing something.  I am not comfortable in my own house, I look for reasons to stay out, which is not fair to my sons (ages 15 and 17).  DH and I don't fight, we don't really talk at all and we are rarely in the same room even.  I have started ready a daily Lenten meditation/Bible verse type thing to set my priorities straight, but other advice would be great.  At my job I am an upbeat, positive person--I love my job so it's not hard!  I teach 6th and 8th grade and am the Assistant Principal of a small Catholic private school.  I adore my students and there is no way to be grumpy when you walk down the halls and hear the kindergartners singing, see the first graders painting, watch 4th graders in PE class, watch an 8th grade science lab where they are burning potato chips to measure the energy being released.  I love my job.  But I walk in my house and BOOM-it's like the door of a safe slams shut.  DH brags quite a lot and I just can't stomach it, so I usually don't talk about my work at home.  How can I stay positive in the face of the weirdness I live in at home.

    thanks

    dvance

  • How to Create Repeatable, Memorable Task Lists? (and, oh yeah, I'm new here) by: swampyankee 7 years 8 months ago

    This is your standard "I'm new here, so glad I found you"  typical post.  

    Married for 15 years with two elementary school aged kids.  I've been dealing for years with inexplicable behavior, poor memory, hyper-focus on insignificant (to me) things, abysmal follow through on promises, lost items, impulsivity, chronic lateness.  My husband is a highly intellectual and emotional person, highly creative (came from NYC acting scene), and talks a good talk...so I never really put all the pieces together until just a few weeks ago.  In fact I'd be googling things like "husband doesn't do what he says he will do" just to prove I wasn't crazy, and the first thing that would come up is a link to a post in this very forum...and I'd read it but go "yeah, but he isn't ADHD..." and move on.

    It was only a few weeks ago that I looked at that post, and this blog, and a few others and the light bulb went on.  Wait a second.  Yes, he is.  

    Wow.  It explains almost everything.  Like he has a very poor recall memory, going so far as to not remember key events in our own lives.  I always have to fill in the blanks for him.  Or re-explain procedures and why we're doing things a certain way.  Or how he is absolutely convinced we never ever talked about a topic we talked about just last night.  Or how he'll create whole scenarios out of a conversation because he only heard part of it.  Or like how he will say he will do the dishes or go to the dump or clean a room and just, kind of, NOT do any of those things.  (He'll thoroughly learn about the new topic he's hyper-focused on, though.)  Or how, over the years, I've taken over all of the household duties(I do mean all-- I mow in the summer, I plow in the winter, I do all the laundry, cleaning, dishes, meal preparation, shopping, bills, taxes, car maintenance, going to the dump, kid schedule juggling--anything that involves either a regular schedule or a mundane but essential task)--in addition to holding down a full time job--because otherwise they would not get done.  Or how we'll start a new project (for instance, we built a PYO fruit orchard) and then he'll lose interest, and I am the one who gets to do all the maintenance to keep up said project. Or how he is always, constantly, consistently late.  Or how he would never, ever get into bed at the same time as me, even when we "scheduled" sex...making me wait...I'd get tired, fall asleep...turn off the light...I'd feel rejected, he'd get upset...which obviously has led to a loss of intimacy. I guess it's come to a head for me because we (or maybe just I) am trying to teach our kids about household responsibility, and they're both old enough so that they can do some of them (like folding laundry, or taking the dishes out of the dish washer), but he isn't participating in the reinforcement of these lessons, even though he genuinely agrees that they are very important.  So I end up being the bad guy.

    Since I just figured out that he may actually be ADHD, I haven't brought this possibility up to him yet, nor has he been diagnosed.  But meanwhile, given that he exhibits many of the same behaviors, I have been trying out different tactics to try and get the household chore thing under control.  I have resorted to notes, pointing out specific tasks that need to be done. This week, in particular, has been a glaringly obvious failure--because it is school vacation week and my husband has stayed at home with the kids for the duration.  So there's no excuse at all for not doing, say, the laundry, because they're home all day.

    At first, I was writing playful notes, like, (because we just watch Star Wars) one creative missive said "Remember, my young padawan learners, a Jedi must always fold laundry!"   ..but I came home and no laundry had been folded.  I asked "did you get my note?"  and my husband smiled appreciately and said "Yes!  It was hilarious!"  and I said, "so...about the laundry?"  and he said "What laundry?"  and I said "....I said, in the note, to fold laundry?"  and he said "Oh!  I completely missed that part!"

    Really?  How could you miss that part?  It was the whole point of the note.  So we had a discussion about this and I thought were on the same page, and the next day the laundry got folded as per the note (which said something like "The way to a mom's heart is through laundry!  Or coffee.  Coffee works too.")  and all seemed well, so the next day I wrote another note that tried to make a rhyme....with the one task of taking the clean dishes out of the dishwasher.  I came home to find, not only that the dishwasher had not been emptied, but EVERY SINGLE DISH had been used during the day.  When I confronted him about it, he said he "didn't understand the point of the note".  He also claimed that he was "going to do the dishes when they got back," which we both knew wasn't true--it wasn't even on his radar.  Then later I find out that one of my daughters never brushed her hair, which is a problem because it tangles easily, which I have several times discussed with both my husband and my kids--this is not a negotiable item of the day.  It must happen or someone is going to get a haircut. (again, I end up being the bad guy)

    I know he knows that this isn't working.  I don't want to make him feel bad.  But I really can't keep this up without help, even if I'm the one who ends up "coordinating" and prioritizing.

    So today, putting humor and any enthusiasm aside, (no "good morning everyone!"  or "What a nice day!" or anything that could be considered remotely distracting, or for that matter, any fun to read) I wrote down, in plain, boring, cold, simple English, all the "must do" tasks that should happen today(and, well, every day):

    1. Get dressed
    2. Brush teeth
    3. Brush hair
    4. If there are clean dishes in the dishwasher, put them away.
    5. If you use a dish during the day, either wash it or put it in the dishwasher
    6. If there is laundry in the dryer, fold it and put it away
    7. If there is laundry in the washer, put it in the dryer.
    8. Have a good day.

    I have no doubt that this method will work.  For today.  But aside from the fact that I feel like I'm being condescending by telling a grown, functioning adult that brushing hair, washing dishes and folding laundry are not negotiable household chores, and how to do them, and that everyone must participate in them on a daily basis, I don't feel like I can "re-use" this note.  And I feel like I'm going to have to somehow reinforce these basic tasks every day.  And plus there are other ones that must happen....take out the trash, empty the compost bin...feed the cats...clean out the gerbil cage.  Because there are kids involved, I need to come up with some kind of system that will work long term, will not take a great deal of repeated effort on my part, and NOT make my husband feel like I'm punishing him or treating him like a child (which is an accusation he has leveled at me on occasion).

     I have a feeling that if I simply repeat the same thing over and over, he (and thus the kids) will lose interest and "not hear" what is on the note.  Any ideas?

  • On the verge of quitting by: SaintDominic 7 years 8 months ago

       My wife and I haven't been together very long, but the issues associated with her ADHD have affected us in many ways. Lately it has been very bad and her threats to divorce me have increased dramatically. She claims everything is my fault and blames for the marriage failing. I'm far from perfect, but I see so many of our problems stemming from her ADHD. 
       There is so much wrong it's impossible to describe it briefly so I won't go into detail. I will say that she always puts her needs first and refuses to accept that her attempts to meet those needs have been destructive to our marriage. Her need for short term gain overrides any sense that her actions could spell the end of our relationship. 
       The struggle lies with trying to talk to her about it. I have to make an appointment to talk to her because there are so many things that would prevent her from discussing anything rationally. I have to tiptoe around her extreme emotional reactions to even the smallest issue, so to avoid this I bottle it up or meekly ask permission to speak with her at some time of her choosing. This does not feel like communication, it feels like control. I am a servant to her emotions. 
       I relate to some of the other posts I've read and I hope that I can get some insight into what works when dealing with an ADHD spouse. And if it comes down to leaving her, I hope that the others who have taken that path can offer advice. 

  • How honest should I be? by: pjkim2010vt@gma... 7 years 8 months ago

    Your spouse notices that you been acting differently lately, acting down, distant, aloof. Even before you realize it. You think about it, about why, and ultimately it comes down to your spouse's ADHD and feeling disappointed about things or something.  You know you need to accept it, suck it up, and move on. You know it's not something that he can control or does on purpose. It's not negative, it's not hateful, it's not hurtful....it's just disappointing...in how it effects you and the lives you planned together. It is something that you will get over, it is something you'll work out, but for now, it's...disappointing and sad. 

    You try to pretend like you're over it, that you don't know why you were acting that way, that it's over, but the knows you too well to believe your act. Telling him the truth about what's been on your mind will only hurt his feelings, will only get in his head and start on the train of self-loathing. Again,it's not something he can control, it's not something that he chooses or can change. It is what it is. So when he's insistent on you telling him what it is, do you tell him the truth? Or do you keep trying to fake it, even when he knows you're lying?

     

    I know im being extremely vague and I'm probably oversimplifying it, but trying to get some advice...

  • Mommy Meltdown by: Anonymous (not verified) 7 years 8 months ago

    Yesterday was Ash Wednesday. I have been planning to divorce my H b/c I am just burnt out. We are not in love, fighting it is not good. Lent is a time for reflection and renewal a time to choose which path of life you will take. To be a better person.  I decided, for my family, I needed to choose hope for my marriage. We talked we agreed we are both a part of this mess let's try. 

    What if the path of life is not together though. Seriously we are like gas and fire. When combined we combust. He is all over the place which gives me and now we are finding out my 4 year old daughter severe anxiety. I have set boundaries for myself to deal with this but I have so many boundaries to deal with him I am exhausted.

    We have had trouble with our 4 year old not wanting him to take her to school or pretty much be alone with her without me around. The only thing we can get out of her is I don't like that daddy just stays home don't go to school some days. And she mentioned when she is home with him he just sits on his computer. He does play with them and is affectionate but it is when he wants to be not when they want. For me it is a full-time job in addition to my working full-time job. And if I cannot be playful and affectionate during a time like trying to get dinner on the table or getting ready for work I tell them why I cannot hold them then try to let them help with something. It is frustrating but this is how it is being a mom. You never do anything alone anymore. So anyway he used to take them to school in the morning b/c I have to be to work at 730 and he needed to do something to help as a parent. He started being really flaky with this a few months ago so I just said screw it I'll be late and get them to school. Kids and I got a routine down but then he decided he wanted to take them again. Except kids threw a fit b/c they like going with me now. So we finally thought we got 4 year old back to going with him in mornings except this morning we had an issue again. I asked him to get kids ready while I get dressed and I would do hair. He sat and played on his phone then when I came down he tells them ok you have to get dressed, hurry, mommy is ready to leave. They got all freaked out I was leaving and said mommy needs to dress us (control, keeping mommy home) this made H happy b/c now he does not have to dress them. I try and dress them and they fuss over everything which is why he hates dressing them. He is meanwhile upstairs getting dressed then sat on his computer. I finally just had a meltdown/tantrum. I just started crying and screaming. Why does no one care about me and my schedule or what I want! Why am I always giving!? Why can't I get what I need?!  He of course informed me I was being a bad parent b/c I had a meltdown in front of our children.

    I literally feel like I am going crazy. Like I have reached stage crazy. I almost thought of checking in at a mental institution just to get away from the madness. Ironically enough my Lent quote of the day was "I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse" -Deuteronomy 30:19

    Ok I just needed to vent somewhere. Thanks.

  • I can't do this anymore by: jennae 7 years 8 months ago

    I've been reading everyone's posts for a while, so thank you all for helping me to feel less alone.  I really need to tell someone what is happening as I cannot tell anyone I know. My husband is ADHD, has been since he was a kid but his parents chose to take him off medication. He was rediagnosed three years ago and I read everything I could on the subject. He wasn't interested in learning, wouldn't even let me speak about it, and just took the 30mg of Adderall and an anti-depressant that his GP gave him. I said for years that his medication was wrong. It finally took my telling him in August that if he didn't take the reins and get this under control, I was divorcing him. This is the only time that I have said that, although he has threatened divorce for 11 years, which I now realize he does to give his brain stimulation. He picked a therapist completely based on her looks (he proudly showed me a photo of her) which I didn't mind because at least he was going to one, but she knows absolutely NOTHING about ADHD. She has him talking about Mars/Venus communication issues, and has no clue about ADHD. I've read every marriage self help book in 17 years and it was only when I learned about ADHD that everything made complete sense. Luckily she referred him to a psychiatrist to deal with his medication, but he is currently off all meds. Was supposed to wean and re-evaluate, but instead he decided to go cold turkey. His therapist was completely charmed by him, and he can talk for hours about nothing. He would rehash every appointment with me as soon as he left. One time they spent 20 minutes of his session talking about her dog. She would laugh at his "antics" - like his new hobby of stealing street signs and the fact that it bothered me that he handed me his ipad to order him a fake vagina sex toy, as we were lying in bed not having sex. His sex drive totally disappeared when he was on meds, but he said "It's not a problem for me" when I tried to discuss that he needed to change his medication.

    He came home from a trip this weekend and said he wanted a divorce (for the second time in 2017). I want to divorce him too, but we have children so I'm trying to handle it carefully. He seemed to be waiting for me to beg him to stay as usual, but I'm done. I finally feel like I can relax because the end is near, so I'm not so irritated with everything he does and doesn't do. Two days later he said he wants to be around me more now than he ever has. He says he wants to plan on getting divorced eventually, but not tell anyone, and in the meantime have an open relationship. (Which is way beyond my boundaries, but I told him that even though I'm not comfortable with it, I would think about it - really just to buy myself time and keep him from a raging melt down.) Here's the kicker - minutes after our conversation about divorce upon his return and two days before he "just thought of" trying an open relationship since we have nothing to lose, he signed up for a sugar babies/sugar daddies service. He immediately made a profile, paid for premium membership, and is now exchanging messages with one of them. Funny that his ADHD has helped me in that he forgot that his email is on our home computer as well. He has no idea that I know and I'm waiting to see a new therapist in a few weeks to figure out how to proceed.

    He had a 2-3 year sexting relationship with a woman he worked with. He had an escort text him which he claimed was a "cold call" and then was furious with me for questioning him. I'm 99% sure that he had a one night stand on vacation. All these things I've pushed aside to stay married. My parents were divorced and I've never wanted to put my children through it, plus I've worried about how he would be as an ex-husband if he's this bad thorughout our marriage. I've put up with his drastic mood swings and multi-day silent treatments. I almost never get his full attention. I often feel completely unloved, and I'm shocked when mutual friends tell me how much he loves me and how great our marriage is. I'm in the best physical shape of my life, I get hit on by 20-somethings who tell me how lucky my husband is, while he has gained 40 pounds. I'm kind and loving and supportive and everyone tells him how lucky he is to have me - to which he gets jealous and says "well she's lucky to have me" He's bored with me just like he gets bored with everything else in his life. I kept trying to "not be boring" as he said - as it's always my job to make the changes to keep him happy - but I will never be enough for him. He said he wants someone who can drop everything and just have fun with him. Everything must be spontaneous or a surprise. Planning is "boring". I'm so tired of being the responsible one, the parent. I'm tired of doing literally everything, including help in his office when needed. He "makes the money" so I do everything else. Oh and I'm not even getting into the financial mess he has created...

    Despite it all, I still love him. There's a good guy in there. Sadly it's everyone outside our marriage who gets to enjoy him. And even more sad, I've lost every ounce of hope I had that things could get better. 

     

  • I Can't Believe How Good It Is Now! by: ADHD_Highway_to... 7 years 8 months ago

    Well, I am the ADHD, but I thought I'd post something POSITIVE.

    I don't have much time to write this, but what I can say is that I never thought I'd ever be writing a POSITIVE post here on this site since I always used it when I was in trouble or in bad straits - which until recently, was just about most of the time.  HOWEVER, for the past few months, my marriage with my bride has NEVER BEEN CLOSER.  Briefly, some things that helped - I FINALLY found the right counselor who kind of pushed me over teh edge from where previous counselors brought me to - I just needed that final push.  Unfortunately, after only a few months of finding him, he is closing his practice and moving out of state.  Something also clicked to make my communication with my bride a whole lot better.  While I am only responsible for ME, I would also say that something that helped was that my bride also went for counseling herself.  Finally, I think another thing that pushed me was the help I was able to provide my DW after an accident that she got into - it was minor by all accounts and she was not injured, but it affected her a lot and I was able to be there for her and more present than I have ever been.  For the first time in I don't know when, we BOTH feel like we've got each other's back, can lean on each other when needed, and can face just about anything together.

    I did post this elsewhere, so sorry for the repeat.

  • Is this rock bottom? (Or does it get lower?) by: Whitsend 7 years 8 months ago

    I'm new here- I have been reading, and seeing so many sentences that mirror my life.  I've always known something is missing in our 15 year marriage.  No emotional connection. I'm an emotional person, H is devoid of feelings.  We tried Dr. Phil's relationship rescue.  Well, I did anyway.  H has ZERO defining moments.  He has no memories of feeling any kind of emotions.  He can't name the happiest times, saddest, anything. 

    Of course I put myself into therapy, because after riding the roller coaster of depression and loneliness so long, I knew (and he knew) for certain that I'M the problem.  We're both very comfortable with ME being the problem.  I've tried every antidepressant on the market through the years, and lost about 1/3 of my hair on the last one, but I keep on trying.  My therapist finally told me my husband has ADD about 4-5 months ago.  She put this book in front of me and told me to read the first page- it was like reading my own diary.

    Brought the book home- husband couldn't deny it.  He took the quiz and aced it (and not in a good way). I can't believe I was naive enough to think he'd pursue treatment. He's never followed through on anything.  Went from yes, I'll be treated, to no, I don't agree with medication.  Funny, he agreed heartily with medication when he thought I needed it!

    But what has me in tears today is that I just realized that if I stay, my kids will NEVER have met me.  They will never know who I am outside of this.  They'll only ever know me as a non-add spouse.  And I don't like her very much...

  • Aging with ADHD, and long term marriages by: dedelight4 7 years 8 months ago

    Question here.  I've noticed a few common themes with those of us who were or are in long term marriages with a person with ADHD. (Especially when it hasn't been controlled) 

       Do the ADHD symptoms worsten with age, (as it seems to) or is it maybe a lack of not wanting to change (denial)  with worsening blaming going on? Are there any statistics or information on older people with ADHD?  Plus, after a lifetime of failures and chaos,  how can they keep denying the fact that their lives have always been in some sort of chaos? Is the denial THAT great, even in the "golden years"? No self reflection?

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