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  • The inability to Bond...Limited Openness. by: c ur self 7 years 6 months ago

    Are you in a marriage relationship that you and your spouse's differences have made it impossible to achieve the healthy bond you should have? After 9 years I've found it almost impossible to experience a healthy bond. Mostly due to Independence vs Interdependence...Independent living by one or both spouses makes agreements difficult, and it severely limits unity and trust. Because there is limited Openness or better said No ability to be Open...It's Control based...And the desire for Control is usually the product of abuse, or low self esteem which limits the ability to trust....No trust = limited bonding....

    Late life marriages are a whole new challenge to the bonding process. But there are many first (long time) marriages who never bond in a healthy way...What does our life styles proclaim as being important to of each of us? (This truth of our realities is better recognized by *observation* instead of conversation. Actions or truths!, Words? well sadly, they can be more based on who we wish we were lol..See, we all love ourselves;), so words will just cloud it up a lot of times)  If we never find unity (pulling in the same directions, having a reality where our Time, Attention and Care are placed in the same area's of life and living, *Unity*) in the things that pertain to what a marriage is meant to be, more than likely we will fail to experience a healthy bond. One built on Love and Trust..

    So the six million dollar question is:...Can we thrive as individuals locked into the dysfunction of a marriage where we aren't experiencing a healthy bond? Yes we can, if we never turn angry or bitter, if we never allow our minds (thinking of thoughts) to make excuses for us, (Me)  based on the differences and the limited abilities....Yes! I have found out if I hit the floor every morning dealing w/ me (the only person I have the power to discipline or change)...Living a thankful life of blessing counting, never being a victim, and never practice excusing myself from being accountable to be the attentive loving husband (as much as her independent reality will allow, I can never force unity) that I should be...

    Life is short! Lets get to it, make a difference for someone to day:)

    Blessings

    C

    Be Kind to the Blind; but never trust them to help your children cross the street.....Huuuumm...:) think about it..???

     

  • ADHD marrige vs Non-ADHD marrige by: styles82 7 years 6 months ago

    I have been married 20 years to my ADHD husband and I had no idea our struggles were due to ADHD! I just thought he was selfish and inattentive.. I just didn't know enough to know they were different types... I recognize us in every single ADHD section of the book... I went through all emotions reading the book, but mostly relived since I have dealt with constant scrutiny that there is something wrong with me and was considering taking anxiety medication in order to stay married.... Sure I have turned into that nagging, untrusting wife .. always reminding and following up on every aspect of our life, kids, finances etc because 80% of the time they doesn't get done unless I do them myself. I'm not exaggerating when I say It takes at least 7 reminders for him to get anything that needs to get done.. so I have learnt not to rely on him and just handle them.

    My husband does not think this is ADHD and he thinks every marriage has the same issues..  procrastination.. money issues, attention issues, fighting about chores, and taking care of everything for the kids etc.. He thinks I'm just too efficient and type A and he is a relaxed guy and that is all there is.. He does admit he had a lot of troubles focusing in school and does hyper focus on some things (playing video games, watching Netflix, etc till 2 am when he needs to be at work the next day ..but he thinks this is how everyone else lives and I need to relax..

    My 16 year old son was just diagnosed with ADHD and while I was filling out the questionnaires for him I realized my husband has every sign symptom listed to the highest degree and I picked up this book to read which reaffirmed everything we have been going through..

    So my question is.. do you think most marriage struggles with what is the book regardless of a partner having ADHD?

    Sara.

     

     

     

  • Flirting everywhere by: Limbo123 7 years 6 months ago

    I'm accompanying my ADHD partner today for work. Lots of stops for each job and lots of conversations on the phone. 

    He speaks to men in a business manner, friendly, more than I'd be, but still on the side of business.

    The ladies though, he fully flirts and tells them what he did last night when he got home, told them he'd been on holiday, using words like sweetheart and darling and making connections all over the place.

    We have spoken about this before. It's very subtle, but his voice actually changes, deeper, more sexual.

    im very very sad. 

  • ADHD/Job/Kids/Life by: adhdmomto4 7 years 6 months ago

    So, some background.  DH and I have been together for 20 years.  Married for almost 14 of that.  For all of our relationship we have worked opposite shifts because, well that's just how the jobs go.  Which was fine. After we got married we tried for almost 5 years to have children.  Nothing worked except IVF.  5 children later (4 living as we had a daughter who passed) we are done with kids and love watching them grow.  We still work opposite shifts however.  That's the way seniority goes.  I work days M-F and he works overnights Friday through Tuesday.  Wed and Thursdays are his days off and it sucks for getting together with friends and family.  It is what it is.  The pay is good, health and retirement benefits are top notch!  DH is home to get the older 2 off the bus every day which helps with daycare/babysitter costs!  Not to mention they get some time with DH before I and the younger 2 come home for the day.  Which is a positive and anyone who has multiple kids can agree I'm sure! 

    All of that being said, DH was diagnosed with ADHD around 20 years old.  Instead of medication, he would "self medicate" to sleep at night by drinking.  A lot.  When we started dating that really changed because I'm not a drinker and well, it sucks to drink alone.  Couple years into dating and a case of beer would last 3 months.  If not longer. 

    3 years ago he took a new job (Yup, still overnight but this gives him the stability, better pay etc which I mentioned above).  It's management and it's railroad.  Anyone who knows anything about the railroad knows the mentality is worse than truckers.  Between language to "You need to do" mentality.  I have a friend who's husband is a police officer and (same hours) many a times she has to tell him he's not "Cop John" when he comes home.  It's the "rough around the edges" or "foot in mouth disease".  issues LOL. 

    With the ADHD and now having children that can be impacted by his "Foot in Mouth" or "Lack of having ANY tact" when he speaks it's harder for me to deal with.  When it was just the 2 of us, that was one thing.  There are many times I have to remind him that they are children, not adults and I'm his wife not a railroader.  He understands and feels bad, but man oh man!  Let me be clear, he simply speaks before thinking (tact) he's not a jerk although others who do not understand him think he is.  He is a great dad, and the kids (8,7 and 4) give him hugs and kisses at night, before they leave for school (yes, even the 8 year old!) we say I Love you to the kids all the time.  He will read them bedtime stories, and is happy that even though he works overnights he can be there every night for kids' functions. 

    What's really hard about the foot in mouth (not sure what else to call it) is no one seems to understand him like I do.  I feel like I'm constantly defending him to others.  My mother can't stand talking to him because she says he's rude, and she doesn't like "how" he speaks to me and the kids.  Again, if I explain the ADHD and lack of being able to formulate a decent thought prior to speaking it at times I get the "don't make excuses for him" comment.  I will admit, he is strict with the kids.  Sometimes more strict that I would like.  He has, what I call, the dad tone.  "You need to sit on your butt at the table" "You want something, you ask you don't just go grabbing for it" He will be playing with the kids on the floor and sometimes it gets to be enough where the kids will cry but he keeps on.  I have to tell him enough, let up.  He's not hurting them by any means, but you can only be tickled so much.  A month ago he spanked one of our kids once for acting up.  I let him know I was not happy with that and it was completely uncalled for.  He has never done that to our kids before.  Then yesterday he was very frustrated.  None of the kids were listening, and running around like kids in a candy store on a sugar rush.  I could hear him on the phone telling them to calm down, they need to sit and wait for me (I was coming to pick everyone up for swimming lessons).  Several times he asked them to calm down.  One of the kids even said "I can run around the outside of the house to burn off some energy".  When I got there, they were all getting in and one went to budge infront of his siblings.  Like kids do.  He told that child not to do that.   3 different times.  Still, no listening so he grabbed the ear and said "these things are for listening".  Our son said it hurt and cried.  DH was like "I didn't grab it that hard".  The look I gave him he knew....I told him he doesn't need to go to that extreme and he was like "If you only knew how these kids have been the last 2 hours".  Um, yeah.  I know.  While you are sleeping on the weekends I'm alone with them all day.  I know how they are.  There are times he will make comments and think he's funny too.  He told my mom a couple of months ago "I know what it's like to be old like you now".  It's like Ummmm What?  I even had to look at him and be like "hu?!?"  He explained how he has started playing racquetball again and found he's not in as good of shape as he had hoped.  Hence feeling like he's in his 60's.  My mom told him that she could run circles around him and he said "Oh I don't doubt that one bit, I just feel like I'm in my 60's after I play not my 40's".  Which is much better than saying "I know what it's like to be old like you now".  Stupid.  Several weeks ago I set something down on our antique kitchen table and our dog (whom we had to put down for cancer) had a massive bloody nose.  I forgot the item I set down and it took a tiny part of the finish off.  He flipped (loves his antiques).  Later in the day I told him that you know what...it's a table.  Yes, I get that  you love the table and it's been in your family for 100 years, but it's a table nonetheless.  It wasn't on purpose and you had no right to speak to me the way you did.  He started to comment and then said "I'm not getting into this now" and we haven't spoken about it since. 

    Yet, one more example of his tact.  He sent, on social media, a cartoon of neighbors being nosey to our one neighbor.  A retired, but very spunky couple.  They didn't understand the meaning of the cartoon and asked him to explain.  He said "not you, the other woman".  To which he meant me, and said I hope that's not us.  She wouldn't answer or return any of his calls after that to attempt to explain.  He meant we are over at their house a lot during the summer and he hopes that we are not being nosey.  She took it as they are nosey and she said to me that she cannot believe I am married to someone who is so demoralizing like that.  He did apologize in person to her and said that it was not meant in a negative way at all.  That I do bring the kids over a lot during the summer and hang out with them quite a bit (they have a pool too) and he hopes that we aren't overstaying our welcome.  She said it will be a cold day in hell before she invites us back over.  Gee, thanks for that DH.

    I do think some of tact is the job (he has to be a straight shooter.  Ever talked to a cop, railroader, or trucker).  The overnight hours, and his personality.  I have brought this up to him before and he feels some of the strict kid part is because I'm not so he has to make up for both (TBH, the kids don't really listen to me lol.  I have to ask several times for something to get done).  Our ex sister in law (divorced from his brother and we still hang out with her) said of all her friends she feels we have one of the best relationships she's ever seen.  I mean, is some of this just typical parenting that happens (I've been reading on that too and a lot of it points to yes) or is his ADHD causing some of this?  I'm curious to your thoughts.  Thanks.

  • Really miserable and struggling by: Evie_K 7 years 6 months ago

    I have been with my ADHD husband for 6 years, married for 2. He was diagnosed about a year into our marriage. We have a 9 month old baby and I am seriously contemplating divorce. 

    He has been a lot of fun, and can be very caring. He can also be incredibly selfish, neglectful and aggressive. He has hit me when I was 38 weeks pregnant, threatened to punch me and been verbally abusive. He has no self-esteem and I am in constant battle with his ego. 

    He is getting help now and on medication, but after everything I have been through with him (including infidelity on his part), I no longer feel I love him and I definitely do not respect him. He is far less angry and no longer verbally abusive, but I still can't communicate with him. He is defensive and belligerent and insists that regardless of how he speaks to me, I should listen when he says he doesn't mean it. 

    Can anyone give me tips on communicating or hope? Has anyone come back from the brink? I've spoken to his psychologist who says I need to be more flexible - that if he is cussing and screaming to just let him do it, and if he insists on holding the baby in the bath in one hand and a hot coffee in the other, I should just let him do it his way. I'm really frustrated at that kind of advice because I don't want to live with that.

    if I didn't have a baby with him, I would definitely have filed for divorce already. Even though we always had problems, after I got pregnant, our relationship really deteriorated very badly. 

  • What does your ADHD spouse consider a fun activity together? by: dedelight4 7 years 6 months ago

    What does your ADHD spouse consider a "fun" activity that you do together? My husband has always like going to the movies, I don't. I don't like it because to me, we aren't interacting with each other in any way. We are just sitting there in the dark staring at a really big television screen, and then going home. We haven't talked, interacted, shared anything, played together.......nothing. To me, it's the same as staying home watching television. But, he doesn't like doing anything ELSE. I like bowling, going to museums, or art shows, going to concerts, seeing interesting things in any town we are in,, going to a lake or park, and tons of things, even going to an arcade. But, if I suggest these things, he groans, and says, "Why don't we go to the movies?"  To me this DOESN'T help a married couple ENGAGE with each other at all. Does anyone else deal with this one? Since trying to fix ADHD affected marriages, part of it, is to DO THINGS TOGETHER where we can "engage' WITH each other. Any thoughts, anyone? Or, is this another one of those, "Live your lives separate kind of things?" How can a couple re-engage, if you can't DO fun things TOGETHER?

  • How do ADHD and OCD go together by: inthedark 7 years 6 months ago

    What if you have OCD and your partner has ADHD, help, anyone else experiencing this?

  • He stepped up for one day, fell apart the next morning. by: tiredmomma1 7 years 6 months ago

    I have to admit I am a bit shocked. My husband actually stepped up when our oldest child was in crisis mode for a bit.

    Our oldest son, who has ASD and an autoimmune brain went into a rage the other morning and kicked a hole in our kitchen pantry door, among other things. I had to get him out of the house because my husband was fuming mad, and they will even get in one another's faces, yelling at each other.  This is what it is like when our son has his autoimmune attacks, he gets defiant, raging, breaks property, curses people out, etc. He was on ibuprofen the whole rest of the day as well as natural anti inflammatories. Apparently he got himself in trouble for cussing on the school bus, coming home, talked back rudely to a bus monitor who addressed his bad language, and was told he would have to sit alone on the back of the bus for the rest of the year. Later in the afternoon my son and I discussed this and I tried to come up with some solutions he could try, like apologizing and asking if he could earn back sitting next to his friend if he had perfect behavior for two weeks (he would ask this of the bus monitor), and explaining it wasn't okay that he (my son) lost his temper. My son refused and was threatening to take a weapon on the bus.  I called my husband, said it is high time to get him hospitalized or something before he hurts someone or gets himself locked up in jail. I was actually calling hospitals at this point (psych) but non had open beds, and our child has a Long term care evaluation tomorrow we cannot miss- he gets no supports and long term care will pay for hospitalizations that he might need, if he can ever managed to get approved. He is supposed to be at this appointment no matter what- it is a medical evaluation. My husband actually stepped up and called a whole list of psychiatrists to try to get my son an appt, even finding some that specialize in psychosis. He even finally let me lock up all the knives in the house- he loves cooking and before did not want to be inconvenienced by having to go to a seperate location to get a knife for cooking. I was shocked. Then yesterday he made dinner. Eventually with a third dose of ibuprofen and and a few other natural anti inflammatories our son calmed down the rest of the afternoon.

    This morning was hells bells. I was in the shower when I heard the yelling. He had this "contest" with our younger son to see who can get dressed first, because child is a slow mover in the morning and he was taking him to school this morning. Apparently my son hid his tie while he was in the bathroom- either that our hubby misplaced it. He was fuming mad, going nuts over the fact it is his lucky tie and he has to close a loan today and needs that lucky tie. Meanwhile, my older son I have to take is refusing to go to school, younger son is insisting he didn't hide the tie and doesn't know where it is at, and despite having 50 plus other ties in his closet, husband needs to wear that one and he needs it NOW. Which is making everyone late for school and work.  Younger son gets afraid and begs me to take him to school but I can't. Their schools are far apart- one in elementary the other in JR. High, and I have to be at work in 1/2 hr. Before I managed to slip out the door my husband was ranting about how our bedroom is a mess because I have books and piles of files on the floor on my side of the room (I have been stressed out organizing all school records, incident reports and medical records, even medical bills from son's surgery to have them together and photocopied for Long Term care.  I am terrified they will decline him and we are at the end of the rope with this situation- no suport anywhere, going broke paying for all he needs and everyone else's healthcare.  I DON'T know what I will do if we cannot ever get him any help or supports, so I have been trying to make sure I have everything the state lady could ever need when she visits).  But he is upset because of this and that I was too exhausted to do the dishes last night- they will get done today before the state lady comes for the eval, but that's not good enough. I somehow coerced older son into the car, grabbing him a yogurt, all his school items and got him to school. 

    So we are back to square one with hubby hardly being able to handle anything anymore regarding kids, acting like a child and tantruming when he doesn't get his way, and even when I am up with a back against my wall hitting crucial deadlines for our special needs child- expecting me to have everything perfect and never be tired, break down or anything.  Truthfully, I am hitting full burn out mode but I don't know what to do. It's sad we have back-peddled after he finally had a breakthrough and decided to even do a small thing to help his family. For those who are wondering, I will be following up with the school on oldest child's threats and if he is still in dire straights after the eval we go straight to the ER to hopefully get him hospitalized from there. He's been under close supervision for the last 24 hrs and will continue to be.

  • What do we mean when we say we love someone who mistreats us? by: overwhelmed wif... 7 years 6 months ago

    I have been struggling with my marriage to my ADHD husband for many years. He is not very communicative, but sometimes we are able to talk about our problems, and sometimes he asks if I still love him. I often say, "of course I do. If I didn't, would I put up with all of this?" But recently I have wondered what I mean by that. Do I really love him? Do I love myself? Why do I put up with the anger, the chaos, the lack of communication, the wild imbalance in our work and family lives, the financial and other problems he causes for us? What do I mean when I tell him I love him? What do I mean when I tell myself that I love him?

    I sometimes wish that he would fall in love with a rich woman and leave me for her. It would solve his financial problems and let me live without him, which would make me happy. Sometimes I say to myself "I wish he would leave me, but I would never leave him." Why?

    Does anyone have insight into these questions?

  • Identifying "Walls" Progress and Hope by: kellyj 7 years 6 months ago

    Hey All....I'm back for a brief update ( now I'm on the hook? LOL )  Okay, this is as much for me as anyone else so I don't forget?  As I am calling a "Wall", it is the invisible frustrating thing that you can't put your finger on, but you know it's there.  I'm going to go off of an assumption, that you Non-ADHD partners, probably now this too, but only from experiencing it coming from the outside and hitting against it but not actually having it yourself?  Possibly, it is something you are aware of yourself ( in yourself ) but possibly not to the same degree? ( thinking that might be very close to being accurate )

    So, as I am saying this, I am also seeing that there are definitely more than one and it really isn;t just one wall, but many different ones you may find yourself smacking up against, but not fining anyway through to the other side.  That is, the side where your spouse is on and why this is so frustrating. This all came about, when I actually was reminded of this from college years ago when I was studying psychology in research and statistical analysis in this field of study  ( if I remember ...vaugely?? LOL )  Anyway, less important....but more important was what I ran across and had one of those "Ah Ha!" moments.

    In the context of what I am attempting to say....that these walls are all "self limiting behaviors" as you might see them from the outside.....but from inside from the perspective of the person who has them, they are really "self limiting thoughts or thinking".  Another term you could use here is a "glass ceiling".   For now ( which I might come back and add more later)...I wanted to identify and put a name on "one" in particular?  This was the one that I was reminded of and went  OMG!  That's a wall!! LOL

    The name for this particular gem, is called "the better than average effect".  I'm not going back and looking up the exact definition since, I know this one by heart and I know it because I've been through it many times before.  I think if I recall, this is one of those things that is common to everyone and we are all born with this as a means to balance your self esteem......and a motivation to improve and do better?  The way this one works as I also recall ( as a child ) is.....you think that you are actually "better than you are" at something, when in fact....you have no idea what you are doing? LOL  And we all start out thinking this way, until something comes along to compare yourself too, and then you go "uh oh......I think I miscalculated my own ability or just how good, I thought I was?"  And the only way for that to happen, is when you have something or someone to compare yourself too?  Otherwise, the tendency in everyone to do this ( especially as a kid ) is very strong and gets weaker as time goes on once you start failing and screwing up and keep fighting to improve as time goes on?  The limiting factors in your ability to see yourself and rate your own abilities are:

    1)  You have to fail.  That's the point?  If you never fail, or attempt to do something out of fear, the tendency is, to stay thinking you are better than you really are?  Again, you have to have something to compare to and what you are comparing is how good you though you were, by how well you actually did?  Which makes sense if , you never fail...therefore, you have nothing to compare it too?  It being the base line of your own over inflated ability?  This isn't macho, self serving or just arrogantly thinking "too highly of yourself ".  This is more of just  being a dunder head, and not knowing any better. LOL  And there is a difference there for sure?  This is that thing, where you tell yourself...."Oh, I can do that...no problem".  And then you actually try and do it, and then theres a problem!! LOL  It's that one for sure.

    2)  You have or had people, falsely build you up or tell you what a great job you did, when actually, you didn't do such a great job, so now you think you did better than you did because someone else blew smoke up your skirt and told you that  Or pants...either or?'  And then you believed them instead finding out for yourself, or even more often....you lied to yourself to make yourself feel better about it.

    3)  You are simply in so much denial, out of self protection and protecting your fragile self esteem...that you actually contributed more of this on top of it...and now it's starts getting further and further away from the reality of what it is?  In part, this is due to all the negative thinking and negative thoughts you have about how others did, so you diminish their accomplishments....which only makes yours look better?

    4) Environmental factors come into play in a very real way.  It was described as I recall ...in comparing Asian or eastern cultures to Western cultures and how that effects the results here.  In Asian cultures, its all about the group or the group succeeding together as a whole, and the individual accomplishments are down played more...and contribution to the group...is clearly weighed and measured appropriately compared to everyone in the group?  When the standard, is right out in the open...and everyone is watching and comparing your performance to theirs...this becomes clearly obvious when your performance is less or more than everyone else?

    In Western society and culture, this is the opposite of that.  Individualism, and individuality...is favored in comparison?  In the most extreme case, as I am thinking about this...is where you have a group of kids, doing an activity at the same time..and everyone gets an equal prize at the end?  There are no losers of winners in this type of scenario which may sound all good and fine, but what happens there is....the winners get diminished...and the actual losers or ones on the lower end of performance actually get an over inflated, inaccurate assessment of how they really did?  When every kid gets a prize...and there is no winner of loser?  Then no one ever fails...and everyone is on a flat line with nothing to compare yourself too?  This is that fine thin line that is difficult to determine?  Too much one way...and it goes negative in one direction?  Too much the other way...and it still has negative consequences and in this case...the consequence of never losing or failing, gives you a false sense of how well you really did.  And that right there, is the invisible wall that you can't see, but it's the wall of thinking that you are better on average, than you really are?  And the problem comes, when you actually have to face it, and look at it which goes against what you actually believe?  This is definitely tied...to humility...and until something humbles you and puts you down lower than you think....the tendency..is to maintain the higher level..until you are confronted with the undeniable truth or the results...posted, where everyone can seer and compare how well you did, compared to everyone else?

    For now, that is probably the biggest wall, that you are hitting up against that is as invisible to you, as it is for the person who has it.  Okay,  I think that was reasonably short this time? LOL  I'll give myself a C+...even though, I really think it was more like a B-...but I know better than that!! ha!  Still working on it since it just never ends :)

    J


     

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