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  • Repairs by: Swedish coast 1 year 1 month ago

    Grieving and trying to understand what's happened in my recently ended marriage to an ADD partner. I don't think I've seen discussions specifically on relationship repair and ADD and wonder what experiences others have with this.

    I've always felt that solving of conflict or unhappiness in the relationship was highest priority. To reach out, talk, exchange perspectives and find common ground was imperative. I wouldn't rest until we could reconnect.

    My ADD partner could let time pass infinitely without doing anything when love or trust were damaged. He seemed to feel no urgency. Maybe he just forgot things. Maybe he felt with our differences there was no common ground and I was just trying to convince him I was right and he was wrong.

    Even now my impulse is to repair the emotional damage of divorce and be close friends with my ex husband. I know however that I need to resist taking initiatives with him. Otherwise I'll go on erratically half-managing his life right into his next romantic relationship and hate myself for it. It's just disheartening. I always knew he cared deeply for me as I for him. Now while I sit on my hands, his total lack of action tells me I am worthless. It chills me to the bone. Did I not see it before? Or if I did, why couldn't I draw any useful conclusions from it?

    Was this just us, or is it a pattern? Do ADHD partners generally reach out to reconcile? I'd be thankful for your thoughts.

     

     

  • Hi, new here :) by: sometimesitshel... 1 year 1 month ago

    I've been visiting this forum for a few years now ever since I realised that my husband must have ADHD - some of his family are diagnosed; he isn't and we can't financially afford a diagnosis at the moment. I read about ADHD to help us both but he doesn't do any research on his own. He thinks he has ADHD too; he had a school-teacher who mentioned to his mother that he most probably has it as well as his (out of control) diagnosed brother.

    I find it very hard sharing here. And my own situation is quite complicated as I'm physically disabled from an accident so I have to rely on him to do lots of physical tasks. My disability has got worse and I need surgery to correct this (docs didn't properly assess me at the time of the accident all those years ago!). We met one another when I wasn't disabled and a year later when it happened I actually gave him the option to leave a disabled woman - and he said he still wanted to be with me.

    I'm also highly sensitive AND (!) have c-ptsd from childhood/adulthood, of which I've done much work on myself.

    I used to be highly independent, organised, outgoing for a creative person. But physical disability changes you as a person - and so does living for years with an adhd spouse. None of our faults of course. :)

    Our couple problems began when he suddenly brought his sex internet addiction back... in the middle of the night caught literally with his pants down. That really hurt, especially because he suddenly went off our lovemaking which made me feel so connected to him. And he even chatted up another woman - younger, able-bodied - which hurt me again. Caught him looking at her photos and you know what... He has no desire for me that way now. And I've never experienced that in my earlier relationships with others. That does impact you negatively especially when in middle-age. 

    He says he still loves me. Whatever that means.

    The reason I'm writing today is because I had a most awful day, Sunday. When I just wanted to relax a little with him... and he wouldn't stop complaining for 4 hours straight! I'm usually the 'voice of reason', very logical (he's the highly emotional reactive one despite my childhood trauma) but even I yelled at him to STOP complaining! I just couldn't take another moan. I'd bought us some nice food and juice and a subscription to the film channel he always expresses an interest in. We were enjoying the film. But I can't stand him endlessly complaining - and then always picking on our old dog (verbally, emotionally). I put my foot down when it comes to our animals. He says he wants to 'boot her' because she is whining (as well as him!, but she's old and this whining is new, exacerbated by him). But then says he wouldn't really boot her and I say you better not because you're a strong man and she's a small old dog.

    This has left me sad and more anxious. I also have an elderly mother who we care for between us - I usually do the telephone, email work/arranging. And I come from a toxic family of origin who I've had to put up firm boundaries with - no contact with siblings, sadly. I was physically assaulted 3 years ago by a friend of one of my siblings, another drug addict. 

    I needed so much to relax yesterday. My voice is already damaged from all the speaking I've been doing with various people over the last 6 weeks - stuff I won't go into, but stuff that has to be done and there's only me able to do it. And there's various deadlines - academic study and my mother's matters.

    What hurts me most is that I am shut out, ignored, with (unnecessary) defenses in place. While he is extremely friendly, nice and smiley with just about everybody else! (I remember that man).

     

     

     

  • Working on relationship when separated by: Smithy123 1 year 1 month ago

    Dear all, 

    I'm new to the forum and just finished reading The ADHD Effect on Marriage. A brilliant book and felt it was written for me and my adhd partner. Tearful at times and finally I didn't feel so alone anymore. I am non-adhd and my male partner is adhd (albeit undiagnosed at the moment). I couldn't manage the feeling of loneliness any longer and so we separated almost 6 months ago. We decided not to cut ties and we wanted to try and work on our relationship as we've been together for 12 years and we'd love to see it work. He is a truly kind and lovely man, I just reached a time when I could feel the resentment and unhappiness taking away the love I had for him and I so desperately want to get back to how I felt about him years ago.

    We both want to put the work in from what we are learning from the book, but we are seperated. Is it possible to work on the suggestions in the book whilst not living together? I'm mindful that I can't ask him to come back and live together just in case his commitment to working on our relationship failed and he doesn't put in the work needed. I just can't go through separation again. Also, it was so painful for him, I can't do that to him again. 

    My main question is,,, can we put in the hard work and focus needed in trying to rebuild our relationship, whilst living apart?

    Thanks for reading.

    Jo

     

  • Anger, trauma, loss by: lennie 1 year 1 month ago

    I'm a 52 year old man, diagnosed a week ago, on my second day of medication. Obviously that's a mixed outcome, it's great news, very late. After a lifetime of struggles to achieve what I thought I should achieve in school and in my career, I have some explanation. I went from a college dropout to a honors graduate of a top law school, there were failures and struggles, but real successes too, it's just I needed to be interested (and it really helped in law school that I needed to focus and produce for only 3 hours per class at the end of each semester). My career as a lawyer in law firms was marred by my inability to focus, and the stress of trying to figure out how to bill for 7 hours of unfocused progress and 3 hours of hyperfocus). I found and fell for my wife more than 30 years ago, and eventually persuaded her, and we became a couple way back in 1993 and married in 1998, and unfortunately separated in January and she's preparing to divorce me. Our marriage included some very high highs, we have five wonderful children, and there was a lot of laughter and love. But the marriage and our family life has been marred by ADHD. By my inability to focus at work, depriving my family of my time, but mostly by my quick temper and low tolerance for frustration. As the stresses of life compounded (did I mention we have five kids?), my ability to hold things together declined. We hit a patch where one kid struggled with a serious eating disorder that stressed our marriage, there were no good answers and it seemed we blamed each other for that (our daughter is years into recovery and is doing really well now), followed by a brief return to normal, then the pandemic, then some professional challenges for me with a really unbalanced workload and extra stress for more than a year, I'm sure lots of people recognize those challenges.  Then in mid 2021 I developed an autoimmune disorder that for months I didn't understand I had, and really lost it during that time. I was working 50 plus hours a week, not sleeping, in pain constantly, confused, and exhausted. My emotional dysregulation reached record levels. I thought I was handling it well, but I was not. I ended up losing my job in early 2022 and moving to a different, lower stress position, but the job loss was painful, and there was litigation around the termination, which was another incredible level of stress, it's not fun to fight with people who were colleagues and in a couple of cases friends. I'd always managed my stress and some of my emotional dysregulation with exercise, during the pandemic I was cycling 4000+ miles a year, but when I got sick, I slowly lost my ability to exercise, so my hobby of 35 years and my principal coping mechanism disappeared. That didn't help. Despite 30 months of illness now the only days of work I've missed where when I was jobless, but I know my desire to continue to work through the difficulty so I can provide for my family almost certainly has caused me to be worse to be around. I don't know what the right answer really would have been, the fact is the mortgage does have to get paid, we have 3 kids in college for the second year in a row, and my wife has a low-paying job after two decade as a SAHM. I thought I was sacrificing for us, but it looks like I was really burning our family up. 

    My wife has had enough, and, since I've read a lot here, I get it. She says she thinks she has PTSD, and whether she does or not, I'm not in a position to say, she's certainly suffering with anxiety from the unpredictability of living with me and with trauma from dealing with my explosive outbursts, things that had happened through our marriage but which increased in frequency and severity as time went on. We are both separately in therapy, mine focused on my emotional dysregulation and learning to manage that, a process that began before my recent diagnosis. 

    I would love to ask for advice about how to be better and how to invite her back, but I've read enough to know that I need to focus on being better, and she will come or she won't. I want to support her healing and I'm frankly terrified that that might mean letting her go. She's the best person I know and when we are good, we are wonderful, so it hurts to contemplate, or worse, acknowledge, where we are and what's likely coming. And, selfishly, it hurts to lose my favorite person in the world, especially after losing my health and in many ways losing my career. I don't even know what rebuilding without her would even mean at this point, the losses are just too much.

    Rather than asking for advice on that--here's the twist--I'm looking for advice to help her see that she has ADHD too. Yep, we're one of those couples. When my daughter was diagnosed over the summer (it's a family affair!), she said to me, dad, you both have this. I'd long ago suspected I might, but my ability to focus, in particular to read, I thought meant it didn't fit--I just didn't understand what ADHD is. In trying to understand what my daughter is experiencing, I read a lot about how ADHD and saw that I had it, now confirmed, and read a lot about how ADHD presents in women, and I saw what my daughter saw. My wife has struggled with anxiety and depression for decades (independent of the issues in our relationship). She's a classic mixed case, she paces when we watch TV, when she leaves the house she makes 3 trips back in to get the forgotten items, she is always driven to be busy. She's coped by having a million lists, and by tolerating more chaos (more exactly, failing to bring order out of chaos) than I'd like, certainly more than most families have. (5 kids!) She's a wonderful mom in every way that matters, I shouldn't need to say that saying it's clear she has ADHD isn't a criticism of her as a person or wife or mom, but I'll say it anyway. 

    How can I help her see that she almost certainly has ADHD? How can I help her understand the role that ADHD played in our marriage, when we both didn't know we had it? And its role in her anxiety and depression?

    It's clear that so many of our struggles came from my ADHD, and in some cases from my ADHD reacting to hers and hers to mine. Both of us felt at different times that we needed to be the non-ADHD partner, but to be honest neither of us has the strengths of a non-ADHD partner, so playing that role made us even more frustrated, even angrier, than I think would be the case with a typical non-ADHD partner. Add in that we're both very sensitive to slights and perceived slights, rejection sensitivity. Maybe we just weren't meant to survive having this big family. I keep thinking we almost made it to the finish line, and then I realize she held on almost to the finish line. 

    Anyway, that's the story, it feels tragic from where I sit. If you have thoughts about how I can invite her to see one of the sources of our and her struggles without making her feel insulted, let me know. When I've mentioned the possibility, it hasn't gone well. ADHD is my problem, you see, and she's not entirely sure it's caused trouble in our marriage, it seems convenient to find it now. I can't help but think that seeing what we were would help us each progress, would help her at least understand what went wrong in a different way, which seems like it might facilitate healing and forgiveness even if it doesn't lead to reconciliation. 

     

     

  • Wife has ADHD - understanding how she thinks by: bb1471 1 year 1 month ago

    Been married many years. Wife has probably alway been a little like she is but, I think menopause also, its become more pronounced. Anyway, she got diagnosed and its on medication.

    I try to be understanding but I have a hard time. Few of the things below. Want to ask really is this "normal" for someone with ADHD and how should I react.

    1. She has other illnesses but still works and its not an easy job. BUT she'll come home and won't stop even if it makes her ill. I just don't get this - why not just sit down and chill a bit but she won't.

    2. Constantly focusing on "something". Any old crap. Shes never off her phone. 11pm at night she'll be showing me something shes seen to buy for the kitched. I just jeez its late just switch off a little.

    3. Focuses on crap stuff. I've had whole conversations about, for example, plans for, say, Saturday night. Then I'll mention Saturday and she'll be like "oh we're doing something saturday?" and I'll think jeez we had a 10 min conversation. Its as if she switched off. But then she'll have focused on and found the exact best cat food for the cat. I just think get the basics right first before you worry about other stuff.

    I really want to be understanding but sometimes I just get so annoyed. 

  • Where/how to find success by: brindle2 1 year 1 month ago

    I posted in the midst of great frustration last night, which is something that I try to avoid, so I am going to delete this.  

  • I'm stunned at what I tolerated by: Anonymous (not verified) 1 year 1 month ago

    Hi all, 

    I am reflecting on my 3.5 year relationship with I believe undiagnosed adhd man, I'm 53 and he's 49.

    When we met I still had teens at home, and a couple of sweet grandbabies from kids who had left home, that I help with.  He was a bachelor and owner of an investment property in the form of a liquor store in a bad part of town that the city is redeveloping.  The liquor store figures largely into our issues, but I recognize it's the underlying decision making that really did us in.  There are many area where we clashed, you've all listed them in your posts.  But I am seriously dismayed by how everything evolved and ended.  I was on a dead end one way road and didn't realize it.  That's on me, I sacrificed wayyyyy too much not knowing it would never pay off for a better future with him.  The long term plan was to sell that store to developers for the land, and move on to something else. CoVID slowed that down, as did the economy.  He lived above the store, and had the means to find another abode that was suitable for his woman and the grandbabies he came to adore, but he refused, and I don't get it.  He never was willing to make the adjustments that a couple makes to joins lives.  I Was expected to get the passenger seat and live life on his terms.

    Hindsight is 20/20, and I see clearly now that I made a lot of compromises, swept things under the rug, minimized and denied his reality, and thought I could help,  or change things, or wait it out, so I could eventually have the relationship I wanted with him.  I never just accepted reality. Again, it's on me.  I'm not beating myself up, just acknowledging the fact.

    From the beginning, our time was dictated by the long hours he worked at the store.  We never had a relaxing full day together unless on vacation, that I can remember.  He did not prioritize the relariltonship with his time from day one.  I guess I thought we would grow into that.  I attributed it to the demands of the store rather than it being his CHOICE.  He had an employee, he had the ability to do things differently, but is a miser and would never add an employee or pay the one he had for one single day to spend with me as a couple.  It was always his agenda.  So I can see a conflict in values.  I am a person who prioritizes the relarionships and responsibilities of a family, as a single mother I've had to be and it's natural.  As you well know, he is not that person if he has adhd, but I did NOT understand that.  I do now.

    There was a period of time that he didn't have an employee and rather than hire one, he was working 10am-1am, 7 days a week, for 5 months. I moved in to his apartment above the store so we (I) could maintain the relationship.  I did it to myself.  I don't have to explain how miserable it was, you know.   I should have given him the relationship he made himself available for... none.  I should have left. I wasn't ready.  And also, I know he loved me, the best he could.  Always affectionate, he seemed to adore me in many ways.  As long as I fit into the slot he made for me and didn't complain. 

    Once he hired an employee, we tried to get back on track, but here 6 months later I've broken up.  In one week, 3 crimes on the property, one after I broke up.  An armed robbery that forced us to come home from a date to handle it with police, then two nights later at 10pm he sees a cracked out thief steal something on his security screen in the bedroom, jumps out of bed to go accosted him, as I watch the struggle with a dead cell phone fearing what will happen, who will get hurt, when will this end.  

    I think maybe he got dopamine from living in that environment maybe, encountering the danger and rushing in full force to handle it.  It simply traumatized me.  I am shocked that I entered into that, but it was because there was also a lot of good, he brought a lot of good things to my life too.  But the fact that he thought that lifestyle was appropriate for his relationship, in spite of my protests which really are common sense for most people, blows my mind.  I told him over the last year how depressing, negative, and frightening it was to conduct our relationship in that environment.  I had moved back to my apartment, which isn't a very good accommodation for the both of us.  His place was the primary place, again because everything is HIS WORLD and I was supposed to just go along.  And I did, loudly and hoping for the eventual sale of the property, until I couldn't take it anymore and the relationship died.  

    The day after I broke up (he was stonewalling me after an argument about the deteriorating conditions, and why wouldn't he consider another living arrangement for our partnership and family? I broke up over text during the stonewall, just can't do thst anymore..) anyway the day after I broke up, a tweaked out guy came in the store, broad daylight, started yelling at the clerk, and went outside and threw a huge rock at my biyfriends car, causing damage.  How fitting.  Such chaos.  I felt vindicated for leaving, but also stunned at what it all had become in spite of him claiming he wanted a future with me, and was an amazing grandpa, a family oriented man, very involved with them, very supportive of me in many ways but not in the critical area of LIFESTYLE.

    I didn't realize that even with deteriorating conditions, he would never deviate from his original plan.  3.5 years in, most couples are able to make accommodations for the relationship, build a cohabiting plan that works for both, build a future together.  That seems nowhere in his consciousness.  I wonder, narcissist or adhd, or both? It doesn't matter really, because the thing I have to look at is what was going on in ME to sign up for that chaotic ride.  I'm figuring that out.

     

    The gift of this relationship was, he opened my world to lots of positive adventures, it wasn't all like living in an episode of COPS.  We enjoyed our favorite hobby together, that was a big part of the initial bond.  I learned to communicate well! In order to try to navigate what looks like the RSD described in this forum, I worked hard on that, to no avail but I developed skill whether he appreciates it or not.  And I learned, finally, to let go in order to honor myself and acknowledge my own delusions about the relationship and what it was, what it could be.  I decline to be neglected and verbally, emotionally, psychologically abused because I am able to voice my needs.  I stopped excusing his behavior and overfunctioning to mitigate it.  I am owning my own toxic pattern of lowering the bar in relationship.  I'm going to grow.  Right now its just mind boggling to see it all and not understand how he was two people .   One sweet, caring, loving guy ... and one cold, selfish, domineering bully.  Shaking my head.  It was confusing.

  • Re-establiahing everything by: apcthinker 1 year 1 month ago

    So I am at a very hard and difficult place in my life. We are not married but have been together for 4 years. It's to the point where I have been in and out of counseling for years after being diagnosed. I really never took it seriously that I was the majority of the problem because of my ADD symptoms. I finally am very serious about my treatment as it being a non negotiable for her in our relationship. Well now we are not in a relationship but are still living together due to our son. He is from her previous marriage . He is my son and I don"t care what anyone thinks he is mine. I love him so much. That has been a problem also because of my inability to bond with him and not take accountability for my short fuse, irrability and not being present in those moments that count and are lost due to me being distracted. Recently him and I have really bonded. Her and I are in bad place. She feels emotionally abused due to me not giving her what she needs emotionally. Lack of being present, distracted by God knows what. I admit and know I have hurt us. It may be too late I fear. I am back in counseling and remain for the rest of my life. I love her, I love both of them. She says she loves me.but ia not in love with me. I am scared, insecure and a whole realm of other things. I don't know what to do. I have not been asked to leave the house yet. There is so much more to this situation that is affecting us. I know I have done a lot of harm, hurt and damage. How do I fix it? She states she will take attention if the opportunity arises from anyone. That hurts bad. Have I ruined us from being together and being happy? Is it too late? Does not want me to go anywhere with her. Feels disrespected due to me staring at other women bit I would never ever cheat or do anything. I have been cheated on in my previous relationship and know the pain. But yet my actions have hurt her from staring and gawking. Her and I were doing counseling together via remote Skype.  I stopped doing that due to well I don't know why. Because I did not accept that my ADHD was the problem. I am lost and so confused. I will fight till the end for us. I pray that my counseling and accepting my part and being accountable for my actions will help me first off and us. Advice needed and appreciated. Any questions as well for clarification also.

  • Looking back, I saw the incompatibility but was in denial... by: Anonymous (not verified) 1 year 1 month ago

    I just broke up with my partner of 3.5 years. He's not diagnosed but has textbook behaviors. He was stonewalling AGAIN, after an argument that escalated because he took my concerns about a legitimate safety issue as a personal attack.  I GOT DONE with the RSD, especially... but also the communication issues, the selfishness, the whole deal.  I feel sad in some ways but also relieved.  I am glad I finally made a break, but also disgusted with myself that this was always a dead horse and I beat the shit out of it, let him get away with far too much emotional abuse of me, I just made excuses for it, set boundaries that I didn't enforce well enough.  I pushed back on the verbal and emotional abuse but should have enforced  my boundary by leaving long ago.  Hindsight is 20/20.

     

    He's not a horrible person, but he was a harmful partner.  I am not as sad as I thought I would be, probably because of how bad it was feeling to go through the cycle.  But I do feel taken advantage of.  I feel a deep sense of disillusionment and regret, I feel a fool.  I allowed it, I know I am responsible for myself.  I just didn't get out as soon as I ought to have.  I have to just go through the feelings.  

  • A little light.... by: c ur self 1 year 1 month ago

    I think those of us who have struggled for years to find that healthy attachment we all crave, like to hear encouraging stories...My wife and I have made a lot of progress, and or at a place today, that I only believed possible by a miracle...What happened? Simply put, awareness happened...Fifteen years ago when we got married, the reality of my mind's desires and abilities for day to day life...And her mind's desires and abilities for day to day life, threw us into Shock!....Which immediately was followed by turmoil, chaos, expectations, non-acceptance, pointing out of dysfunction, fighting, and fussing on an epic level...etc..etc...We were in the marriage from HELL....

    Certain things just happened....I lost myself pretty much, got on eggshells, became an enabler/mother to my wife...My mind became so over whelmed with watching her live out a life that I said in my heart; Nobody lives this way!  I was so messed up emotionally that I ended up in the ED one night w/ my heart jumping around...Which the heart doctor told me, we can't find a physical reason (wrong) for it...He kindly looked me in the face and said....You've got to relax!....I already knew....

    After about 11 months a part, lots of praying, reading and soul searching, I realized for us to have any type of a peaceful future, we had to have full acceptance (agree or not, accepting the lived out reality of another person, does not mean you agree, it means you respect their right of life.) of even that we could not understand...And there had to be boundaries placed on myself to be 100% responsible for my emotions, words, attitudes, behaviors etc, all the things I wanted from her...Also the eggshells had to be move out, and my own life had to move back in....No expectations, but just full acceptance of the reality she was showing me daily.... That was year 5...ever since then it's been steady progress (SLOW, steady progress)....Because after the eleven months when she moved back in...She still had basically the same attitude (and all the same symptoms of a high level ADD mind) as when she left....But, I did not.... She did not, like this new guy, who was living peacefully like she didn't exist, in the things that caused all the toxicity in our lives those first 5 years...She realized that I was not going to enable, be controlled or manipulated, and most of all I wasn't going to jump into verbal combat with her...She was most miserable....Without her old partner in arms, she had no one to blame...When you can't blame, it makes justifying your own evil and self serving actions much more painful...Because even minds locked in denial need to be able to prop up their denial w/ blame and justification....By the way, I've been far from perfect at holding to some of my boundaries...Some of the hardest for me was walking away when a conversations was clearly headed off the tracks, and to stop pointing out behaviors that were detrimental to trust and unity....But, I've gotten better at ignoring and walking away from attempts to draw me into verbal conflicts....Usually built around her desire to use me, or control me...Make her life easy, and w/ out accountability...lol....

    What has happened over the past few years is much more about our individual lives geared toward the love and trust of our savior, than our own abilities....But she just started being a person I didn't know, and the more I love and appreciate her, the more this new girl shows up...Just the other day she was telling me something she wanted to do, she had that in control matter of a fact look in her eyes :)...I just smiled and didn't reply....About 3 seconds after she looked away, she turned right back, leaned into me, and said calmly..."It will just be what ever you think"...I almost broke down...Do you know how many times in 15 years, I have witnessed an act of submission, along w/ a look of love?  And heard the words "what ever you think"....That's right; zero! :) I didn't travel with her the past several years, (self imposed boundary) because I couldn't trust her to not get me out of town, or out of the country, and start making demands, and ruin our whole vacation...What a waste of money! lol....But we just got back from a seven day trip a few weeks ago...It was awesome! Part of it is, she knows I love her, she knows I expect and am not shocked by features of high level ADD being part of her existence...She trusts that I have something bigger living inside me than the guy she is married to...We will always have some boundaries, but, that's a good thing for us two humans... Self ownership, and respecting your spouse enough to never attempt to think for them is life giving....When we have these huge difference's, we end up fighting and disrespecting each other trying to think for each other, and demanding they move over to our way of thinking/living....That is where all the conflict and unhappiness comes from...Many even forfeit martial sex, because who wants to make love to an angry bitter person? Wishing you all a marriage of what is possible and peace be had... <3

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