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  • Disorientation in ADHD - nonADHD relationships by: Swedish coast 1 year 2 months ago

    Lately I've been thinking about the partners in ADHD-affected relationships struggling to find their bearings.

    Do both the ADHD partner and the non suffer so much from loss of orientation that it can end the relationship?

    I seem to read all the time about two individuals who don't share a universe. One feels they are unappreciated and misunderstood and blamed without reason. The other that they are exhausting themselves without reward or effect and their partner behaves like a difficult child.

    Wouldn't both experience a major loss of confidence? They don't get their needs met. Their struggles aren't acknowledged. There seems to be no justice, or reason for the partner's behavior. No map, no compass. No logic.

    It takes a lot to be a loving partner. If we're too lost, maybe we just don't have what it takes. 

    I think of ADHD as a force majeure in my own marriage. Powerful enough to override all good intentions and hard work. Making me so nauseous there was finally no way but to get out.

    At this point in divorce, we are so far apart in our views of what's happened, I believe we can never again share one. (Conversations would be futile and we don't have them.) I think we snapped that bond and both of us instantly slammed back into our own perception of the world. I suspect the end of love had to do with orientation and trusting one's own senses finally becoming more important than anything else, for both of us.

  • He refuses to work, given up on his stability by: Peacefull111 1 year 2 months ago

    My long term boyfriend has untreated adhd and refuses to acknowledge it. We've been together for 6 years now but it's been a crazy rollercoaster. He has been unemployed for 4 of those years. He's been through homelessness which I tried to help him through in 2019. I got us an apartment and wanted to get him out of living in his car. But he was really aggressive and toxic when living together that I had to leave him and he moved back with his family. After I broke up with him he has refused to let go and contacted me every single day through email. It has been 4 years since we broke up and be still tries to contact me every day, I tried the being friends things but that didn't work because he's very rude and self destructive. Also for the past 4 years he's refused to get a job, he has jumped from relative to relatives house. And of course nobody wants him to be homeless again. He only wants to work in his hobbies and refuses to face the reality that everyone has to work. He continues to beg me to get back together with him but our relationship has been so toxic I refuse to do it. It's been such a painful relationship but I believe I'm finally done. I've waited for him for years to get a job and do something to be more independent but he hasn't shown any improvement. Not only that but I've noticed he's very emotionally manipulative that I don't consider it a healthy relationship that I would want to have. 
    Right now we're no longer together or speaking and this time this breakup feels more real because I finally know it's not something I can put up with anymore, does anyone have any resources on how to get past a toxic relationship? I feel guilty for leaving him but I also know we're not getting anywhere and it's no longer healthy for me to hang around. 

  • I need non-reactive advice by: adhd_dad 1 year 2 months ago

    We've been married almost 20 years. In the past year, I was "formally" diagnosed with ADHD, although I have been indirectly treating it for 6-7 years (with therapy, meditation, exercise, etc.... I knew those were good things, but they seemed to really really help me). I was diagnosed with ADHD because of how my symptoms presented, but when I did the neuropsych evaluation, I was told my executive functioning and attention skills were average to above average.  My cognitive skills were top 1-2%, though... and it was surmised that the discrepancy between the two likely led to a lot of the same emotional feelings common to ADHD (not living up to potential, etc.). 

    I start with that just to point out that I don't think my ADHD is typical in how it presents (anymore). I've always been a hard worker. Always done well at my jobs. Got promoted and promoted and promoted. It took me until I was 25-28 to get a handle on things. And I feel like I owe a lot of that to my wife. Everyone told me what a good influence she was on me. And she was! I wanted to please her and do right by her.  We met when I was 24 (she was 22), and she was oh so patient with me.

    Things started going downhill when we had kids. Part of this might've been me and the ADHD but I think part of it was her own background. (Broken home, hints of abuse, but I could never get a full story.)  We have three wonderful kids, but over the years, she got more and more frustrated with me, when I thought things were moving in a positive direction.

    We're a single-income family. By chance. (I started working two jobs during the great recession, and she couldn't find work, so it made sense for her to stay home with the kids... and then we wound up homeschooling by chance because our oldest missed the cutoff date for kindergarten by two weeks and we didn't want to pay for another year of pre-school... then moved to a district where public school wasn't an option). I point this out just to say I think there's some resentment in there about roles/responsibilities and patriarchical gender roles that she dislikes. But I thought we were doing it this way as a choice, not because women are supposed to do X and men do Y. 

    It took time, but over the years, I started doing more and more around the house. Even after I started making enough money to send the kids to private school 4 years ago. At this point, I'd say housework is 50/50 even though I'm the only one working!  (We listed it out, and in fact, I'm doing more than she is, although she would say that there's invisible mental labor that's not captured... but she also refuses to say what it is.)

    Long story short... and this is where it gets rough... this has been a year from hell.  We had been seeing counseling. She wanted to stop.  I switched jobs to take a riskier opportunity that promised more career growth, and it didn't work out.  Calculated risk (that we both agreed to) but I was laid off in June. Haven't been able to find anything other than a bit of freelance consulting here and there. It's been really stressful. 

    Our fighting has gotten worse. We are both understandably stressed.  She says she feels "harassed" by me.  I feel like I can't show any frustration. And I know with the ADHD - even when treated - I can be a little... not all over the place... but I have lots of thoughts. And given her background, she's very sensitive to any kind of stress.  If I so much as so frustration, she says I'm being emotionally abusive. She's spent the past months calling me a monster, an abuser, controlling, a narcissist, and she has been lashing out at me in odd ways. I don't think I am any of those things! Although I do understand that you can feel abused without someone being actually abusive. Anyway... as the stress has been building, she has now hit me on two occasions. She said because I was "harassing" her. I was telling her - via text - that I was really frustrated with how she treats me and I'm at the end of my rope. She came downstairs and just started yelling at me to shut the f up and started punching me in the arms and back.

    I know this is really stressful. I know hitting is waaaaay over the line. But I don't know what to do. I don't want to leave. I don't want to stay in an abusive relationship. I don't want to stay in a relationship where she thinks I'm an abuser. I'm at a loss. We're still seeing a counselor. But I'm in a hotel right now because I don't want to be near her and she's giving me grief about "abandoning" her with the kids. I told her I'd do whatever needs doing kids- and family-wise, but I can't be around her. I'm at a total loss.

    Part of me is just saying to hold on until I find a job and the baseline stress should be much much lower at that point.  Right now it feels like there's not any room for rational conversation.

    Long post.  Lots of words. And probably only 2% of the total context. Feels good to type it out, though.

  • Am I Somehow Deserving of the Abuse? by: Crastina06 1 year 2 months ago

    I have been married for over 6 years to a non-ADHD spouse and my relationship has become unrecognizable and full of resentment and hatred.

    Over the last year, I discovered that I have been living with undiagnosed ADHD with my primary symptoms including inattention, forgetfulness, impulsiveness, easily distracted, difficulty with organization and prioritization, and difficulty with maintaining sustained effort. These led to my habits of frequently changing my mind, constant daydreaming and lack of focus on the present moment, flittering from one interest to another interest, rounds of obsession and hyperfocus on a show or story, and difficulty with forming healthy habits.

    My question is, does my mental disorder make me deserving of the verbal abuse from him? He gets mad frequently when I don't put things back where they should be, cannot follow through with my commitments (such as waking up at X time, or helping out with the home renovations X number of hours each week, or eating healthy X times a week), argues back with him or gets defensive when he becomes accusatory, and behaves in a way that he believes is inconsiderate to him (because I inconvenienced him and waste his time).

    When we we in a fight or I messed up somehow, he tells me that I'm useless, that I'm not capable, that I'm stupid, that I'm sub-human, that it's a wonder I'm still alive. He tells me that I'm a f**king piece of s**t and many things along those lines. Even when he's not outright being nasty, he would make negative condescending comments and criticizing everything I do. He would make snide remarks like "you enjoy doing stupid things, huh", "of course you weren't thinking", "you're beyond help", "what makes you think you can manage a household on your own when you can't even control your weight or wake up on time." The triggers could be as minor as my tripping over something, bumping into the wall, losing my phone somewhere, snoozing a bit longer than I was supposed to, idling on the phone, eating another ice cream that week, etc. He makes it so that I feel worthless and unloved most of the time. He even tells me that I'm not worthy of his respect because I can't keep my words and have no value. 

    I know that I am a disappointment to him and that he resents me and I disgust him with my habits. I know that I wasn't the capable and competent person he thought he married. Most recently, I behaved deplorably by hyperfocusing on a PC game, playing for 16-20 hours a day, ignoring my responsibilities, and even going days without showering on and off for a few weeks. Once I realized how bad it got, I quit the game and made sure to shower and go to bed every night. But the damage has been done and he thinks of me as a disgusting human being.

    When I tell him that he's being hurtful, he tells me that he does it intentionally to make me feel bad and that he doesn't care that it's verbal abuse because I deserve it for arguing back, for not admitting that I'm wrong, or for a number of reasons. Apparently, if I didn't mess up or if I immediately apologize for all perceived wrongs, then he wouldn't be annoyed and wouldn't be verbally abusive. Is he right? Does he have the right to say those things?  I walk on eggshells everyday and try so hard to meet his standards because every time he gets mean, it takes me hours or even a full day to pick myself up and continue where I left off.

    I have started medication and I have been trying to go to therapy. I have learned so much about the illness and about my symptoms and I thought I was making progress. But instead of being supportive or being helpful with tracking my symptoms and tolerating my coping mechanisms, he keeps telling me that I'm on my own and it's my issues to deal with. If I didn't have these issues, then we wouldn't be having problems, so I need to prove that I can fix them because he's given up on me. He keeps telling me that I'd never change and never get better and he makes it hard to keep motivating myself to try every day.

    We originally dated for 1.5 years before marriage and he was so sweet and caring and seemed completely agreeable with all of our future goals of owning a home in the suburbs, traveling the world, then settling down and raising a family together in a good school district.

    We moved in together to his house after we got married, then bought our fixer-upper home shortly after I got my graduate degree and began working full-time. He has always been the go-getter and the do-er in our relationship while I was the planner and ideas outside the box person. He is also the logical and pragmatic one while I am the compassionate and emotional one.

    We spent 2 years fixing the house together and renovating our home ourselves as a side hobby after work and on the weekends. During this time, I found myself constantly declining plans with family and friends and prioritizing working on the house with my husband. However, I noticed a trend in which he started saying mean things, making demeaning and degrading remarks, and being very critical. These originally were about the home renovations and his constant jabs were along the lines of questioning my competency, my intellect, my common sense, my ability to listen, and follow directions. He essentially called me out for being slow, being stupid, being unable to anticipate the next steps. He would also get mean about my asking questions when I didn't understand something and took it to mean that I was questioning "someone who knows better."

    I think that's the first sign that something was wrong, in addition to the controlling behavior which was always present and the constant withholding of affection and silent treatment when he gets upset or annoyed. He also does not respect my family because they do not meet his criteria of success, despite being small business owners. He would also tell me that my friends are bad because they do not meet his criteria of being ambitious and career-oriented and still enjoy going out and having fun despite being in their late 20s and 30s. He would also call me out and tried to "discipline" me in front of friends and family whenever he thinks my behavior wasn't appropriate such as being a sore loser in a family game or that I messed up somewhere such as not noticing a spill and wiping immediately or not realizing that one of the dogs used the bathroom.

    Now, another two years have passed, and the only positive things in our lives now are our two young dogs. He no longer wants kids and he apparently never liked traveling or going out or spending money to begin with. All of our dreams and plans are ashes at my feet. And it's not as if I am utterly incompetent or useless. I have a successful, high-paying career, I can cook, I can clean, I can help around the house, and I am not that messy or cluttered. I am very compromising and very quick to forgive and forget and would usually go along with his preferred activity or hobby for leisure time. And I have been helping with manual labor on the home renovations for the last 4 years. I have also cut down drastically on my work responsibilities and hours since he accused me of prioritizing work over home. So how does he perceive me to be such a terrible wife and someone who's not worthy of love, respect, or even kindness?

    Where do I even go from here? Is it possible to restore our relationship to one of equal partnership where he can see me as a fellow human being? According to him, all that would take for him to treat me neutrally is if I don't question him at all, immediately assume that I'm wrong no matter what, and continue to hold myself to my tasks and to-do list without changing my mind or putting things off. Then he'd stop treating me like I'm sub-human, maybe start caring about my opinions, and maybe a long time down the road start showing me some compassion. But he said that it's too much to ask for to ever expect him to be a supportive partner and a cheerleader for my endeavors. He also said that this is a "me" problem and it's not on him to try to make sure our interactions with each other are positive. Am I being delusional to believe that we can be happy together, especially if I shape up in those areas?

     

  • ADHD partner has insight, but lacks action by: ClaraB 1 year 2 months ago

    My husband was diagnosed earlier this year and it's been a hard journey. The diagnosis brought up a lot for him and he went into a pretty unhealthy place for a while. I have stood by him, while giving him space to work through things. He has previously been a very good partner for 5 years before being diagnosed. This is all complicated by his small business ownership and that being a point of contention because of the usual financial and hyperfixation issues. But in the last 2 months we have both made progress towards healthier interactions. 

    He recently went travelling for 3 weeks for work and while he was away, had some realisations or insights into things about himself and us that were quite profound. I felt heard and validated and was really looking forward to him getting home. On his return however, I feel we have taken a number of steps backwards as the stress of business ownership and life in general kicks in. He seems to go into these wound up episodes where I can't reason with him. I know I don't always approach situations with what he needs and I am trying to be more empathetic.

    I do have hope because he is willing to put work in to himself for the sake of our relationship and for himself too. And his insights while he was away proved that he is not in denial about some of the challenging traits of his ADHD. I'm not expecting a crystal ball, but I guess I'm seeking other people's experiences with this. Does insight ever slowly translate into change? Can symptoms be exacerbated after a diagnosis and eventually level out? 

  • A pause in divorce by: Swedish coast 1 year 2 months ago

    Divorce from my severe ADD husband has come to a pause.

    I wonder at my own feelings. I started this divorce. I know I need to finish it. Still what dominates is an urge to reach out for him. Intimately.

    He panicked the last couple of weeks. He accused me of horrible things. He was highly aggressive. He said that my feelings, and our agreements, mean nothing to him. Now, he seems to have regained some hope or other. He's then returned to being soft spoken, humble and kind.

    I see this and think: he's coping poorly. He's the most loyal, the most devoted, but also gravely dysfunctional. The true nature of our love is simultaneously the best imaginable and the worst.

    I do love him. I intend to keep it secret. It just breaks my heart, more than anything else in this. I don't want this divorce.

  • Anyone else really affected by ADHD spouse's poor active listening skills? by: Marriedtopotent... 1 year 2 months ago

    I think my husband has undiagnosed ADHD-a lot of the symptoms fit for him.  The symptom that affects me the most is his poor active listening skills.  When I talk, whether explaining something logistical or just sharing about my day/experience, he often makes very poor eye contact, and doesn't respond at all, or goes on to talk about something else.  Of if he does respond, it is more of a canned response like "oh, that's nice", which has started because I've told him I want more acknowledgment.  When I get upset about this (the poor active listening), he can often, but not always, regurgitate back what I've said to him and he thinks that should be enough because it proves that he really was "listening".  I struggle with this a lot and feel like he's rarely emotionally present when I talk.  When he doesn't actively listen, it leaves me feeling like I'm invisible, like I don't matter, and like I'm not worth listening to. Not only does it make me feel terrible, but it makes me feel disconnected from him, lonely, and hurt by him which then affects our relationship in a number of ways. He claims that I am too sensitive and that the fact that he can regurgitate back what I said should be enough.  So I've been trying to figure out if this is a me problem (too sensitive, insecure attachment, etc) or a him problem (objectively poor listening skills due to ADHD which would bother anyone) or something in between.  So my question is, do any other non-ADHD partners feel this way with their spouse? Feel really affected by their spouse's poor listening to the point that it gets you to want to just shutdown?  Thanks so much for any input as this issue has been causing a lot of pain in our relationship and I feel stuck in knowing how to fix it.

  • Dual ADHD marriage by: Octobergirl 1 year 2 months ago

    Would love to know how many of you are in a dual ADHD marriage. My husband and I both have ADHD, we're best friends and have been married for 34 years and would never leave each other.

    I was diagnosed after we were married, he was diagnosed as a child but I did not know he had ADHD until several years after we were married. I have an ongoing journey since the day I found out. He is in denial that his ADHD affects his life and my life.

    We have fallen into the parent-child dynamic and I'm trying to reverse that. I've been reading her book the ADHD effect on marriage. I'm thinking about asking him to listen to it as well to open the conversation.

    Would love to know what others thought of that and what others have done that have fallen into this situation as well that both have ADHD.

  • I want to understand the ADHD brain science by: BurnedOutLady 1 year 2 months ago

    Please point me to the best resources to understand what we know right now about the science behind ADHD and the brain. 

    I still don't understand what is causing all these symptoms or effects. Is it just the issue of dopamine or is there more?

    My husband has these issues:

    Lack of organization and massive distraction (but only if he is not interested - if so, then hyperfocus)

    Lost in thoughts to the point of not hearing me speak - also this is dangerous while driving

    Very poor short term memory, and forgets conversations we had and agreements we made

    Awful with household chores, cannot pick up after himself, a whirlwind of mess through the day

    Definite rejection dysphoria, cannot handle even a scent of criticism even if he is clearly wrong

    Trouble finishing projects - we have two houses that he built that are still unfinished

    Impulsive decisions, including financially. No planning for the long term, lots of risk taking. 


    Is all of this caused by the same brain issue?
     

    Thank you

     

  • I'm not giving up by: Amducious 1 year 2 months ago

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