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- How do you know when it's time to give up on your marriage? by: DDawn 13 years 1 month ago My husband has ADHD, we've been married for 19 years. We didn't know he had ADHD until we were in our late 20's and we're now 42. I have stayed with him although he has cheated on me three times (one being with my now sister in law). He has not been able to keep a job more than a year for over 10 years and because of this we are now in bankruptcy. I've kept us in this house as long as I can, I've exhausted all of my savings and 401k. I've given up on what was once our beautiful house. I tried for 11 years to keep it clean and beautiful as a source of pride for our family. We have two children, 13 and 8 who ar a constant challenge to keep up with and I get no consistent parenting teamwork from my husband when trying to lead by example. Two years ago was the final straw. My husband was unemployed and supposed to be looking for a job, while I was working a full time job, cooking, cleaning, managing our finances and the children's activities. I discovered my husband having an online affair with a woman and discussing plans to meet her when she came in town for her daughter's gymnastics appointments. At that point I had my fill and told him I want a divorce. He talked me into trying to work things out and my condition was that he get therapy, as we had already been to marriage counseling that had not changed anything. During this time i I basically had a nervous breakdown. I constantly shake now and suffer frim severe depression. Two years later our house looks like a disaster zone, I'm so depressed I can't get out of bed some days, he still has not gone to counseling, has had two jobs and I feel so trapped and alone. Even if I do get a divorce I don't know if I can get an apartment because our credit is so bad. I have thought of suicide so many times but will not do that to my children. I have lost every hope and dream of what I wanted from my life and he has broken every promise and vow he made to me before and after our marriage. I feel like I'm shell of the person I once was and the mother and woman I wanted to be. I love him so much, but sometimes love isn't enough and it is now affecting our children's lives. I don't know what to do!!
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- New member with a long history by: ADD_Dad 13 years 1 month ago
It's really lonely where I'm sitting here this afternoon. I had suspicions that I had ADD for years, but finally talked to my doctor about taking something for it about a year ago. I taught myself coping skills to deal with my symptoms, regulated video game time, alone time, 8 hours of sleep a night. But my wife and I decided to foster-to-adopt three siblings. I found myself in a place where I didn't have time for any of my coping skills, so I finally talked to my doctor and asked for medicinal help. I'm on medicine now, and doing much better. But I find myself in a place where after 14 years, my wife no longer has any patience for me. She's so full of anger, resentment, and pain that every little mistake I make is amplified.
I read enough from this site and others to know that I am responsible for and can only change myself. I know I have to make the change, and show that I've made the change to my wife for her to be able to trust that I'm changing and not just offering empty words and broken promises. I need to show her a change so she no longer feels like she has to be the parent.
In no way am I trying to fish for reassurances; I've hurt my wife, regardless of the circumstances. She has every right to feel however she wants. What I am hoping for is some strategies to deal with her anger, pain, resentfulness.
It's tough because before we got our boys, my wife was a TSS (theraputic staff support) working in schools with kids with disabilites (ADHD, Autism spectrum disorder, ODD, etc.). She was able to teach every ADHD child she worked with coping skills and life strategies; enough for them to be discharged from services (meaning they didn't need one-on-one support in the classrooms anymre). This is a double-edged sword because she can help me with coping skills, but, when I don't follow up on those skills, or instantly make the change, she gets frustrated. I realized it isn't healthy for our relationship to put her into the position of parent, wife, and therapist, so I've done everything in my power to NOT ask her for that sort of help. But her work and successes has shaped her opinions of this disorder. She watched the episode of Dr. Oz last with where Dr. Hallowell was on, and she was somewhat disdainful most of the time. She felt that people were using ADD as an excuse for their behavior, and that if they really wanted (read that if I really wanted) to change, I would. It's not that easy for me.
I just need immediate strategies to implement to help show her I'm changing. I know, if there's no change, there's no change. I'm out of ideas.
- Acceptance?? by: committed 13 years 1 month ago
Hi, I am new to posting on this site. I have been reading posts on it for a few months here and there and find, of course, myself and my marriage to a man w/ADHD in all the posts. We have been married 13 years, and he was "diagnosed" when we sought marital counseling about six years ago. He never has had formal testing, but the therapist we worked with discerned it through a history and when he suggested meds, my husband agreed to try and we noticed immediate results. He stopped taking the meds a few months into it, as he was having some side effects. We moved a while after for a job change, and when he began having similar career issues, he tried taking meds again. At that time, however, he was also taking meds for high blood pressure, so he never increased the dosage to a truly effective amount. He has since resigned from his job--after being asked to by his employer--and stopped taking the meds in order to save money--his idea not mine. This past year has been the hardest of my life, as a lot of his unmanaged ADHD symptoms have reached what, to me, has been a limit I never could have imagined. After reading several blogs on here about infidelity and nasty financial issues, I am thankful for what has NOT taken place in our life together, but when I discovered some deception around finances in addition to him coming home drunk and unable to care for himself, I insisted we start counseling--after months of saying I think we could benefit from some work and he insisting we could handle things on our own. So, we have been in counseling together for a while, but it really is more crisis type counseling, as he has not really been addressing ADHD.
So, like most of us here, I could comment on all of his symptoms that just take away from our marriage and family, but I am at the point of wanting to just make whatever changes I can in my own life to get back to being the person I know myself to be. I think that is what saddens me almost more than anything about our marriage. What I thought would be a life enhancing marriage has instead been a life drain. Dreams of what we could do and be together have not been realized. I had become someone I do not want to be, someone I would never have imagined myself to be. We have three wonderful kids, one w/clear ADHD, one w/some impulsive issues but clearly gifted, and our youngest appears to have some very mild autistic spectrum behaviors, though the pediatrician (whom I trust) does not think so--and I agree. In my role as wife and mom, and because it is how I am wired, I have don a ton of reading around ADHD, nutrition, aspbergers, autisim, OCD, ODD, and while no expert, I feel that some of the changes I have initiated (and I will say my husband is willing to implement them w/me for our kids) for our kids are helping. Because we homeschool our kids, we have been able to feel good about not medicating our son w/ADHD, but recently, due to some emotional issues and increasing academic challenges, feel that we need to begin that soon.
Now I find myself at the point of realizing: I am seriously grieving the loss of a marriage and life I wanted but have never had. I recently began to take a medication for depression and anxiety and feel physically balanced for the first time in a long time. I had no clue just how out of sorts my body was. I now feel able to clearly begin to think through how I need to RESPOND to my life, rather than react to my husband. I have let a lot of things "go" over the last year--the house is a lot messier than I like, but for the sake of avoiding conflict, I have learned to live w/it. And I will say, I think my family is better off for it. I am not as on top of the finances as I would like to be. I have stopped feeling obligated to be at every event my children attend--and since little league baseball is a hyperfocus safe distraction for my husband, there are a ton of baseball games I could attend. My ADHD son misses me when I am not there, but I think he is seeing me model the reality that no one person can do all things. I am trying to live without being impacted by the urgency and chaos that my husband's unmanaged ADHD has brought to my life for so many years, but it is hard. I have a hard time knowing how to do that w/out disconnecting. We have always enjoyed good conversations w/one another, but in the past year, I simply can't listen to him share his thoughts for hours on end while I need to be sleeping. I no longer desire to share my heart with him because his distractability (in my estimation) makes it appear that it is just information for him, not anything that he considers or does anything with. I feel he likes to have the information for informations sake, to feel valued, but not to know me. I want to be respectful to him, but I no longer have a lot of respect for him--who I thought he was, he doesn't seem to be. I know it is not because he doesn't WANT to be that person, but rather he is blocked by his ADHD symptoms. And him not seeking treatment for it is what I probably disrespect the most. It is treatable, for pete's sake!
So, I am trying to accept the reality of what is. Seeking help to manage his ADHD is his process, not mine. Over the years, I have tried to offer tidbits of information about ADHD, I have asked him to consider medication, I have bluntly said "i think you need to do something about your ADHD" and it really has not helped, at least not in the long term. I am trying to discern what is important to me and trying to live by that. Recently, the priorities for me that I am sensing are to: take care of myself physically and spiritually and emotionally (I am a christian and am finding such an increasing depth in my relationship w/God even though it is still a hard season--and I have been doing individual therapy as well as couples counseling), to take responsibility for my individual relationship w/my kids (I think we have been a bit enmeshed as a family, kind of passively controlled by my husband's ADHD--is that a common thing??), to take charge of my own future potential--with my husband's recent resignation, I am studying for re-licensure in my profession, having left it behind 10 years ago, and to take a look at how my inappropriate handling of appropriate anger and frustration have impacted our marriage and family.
I will say, though, I don't always want to live in a messy house, or feel like we have to live so tightly because of my husband's financial weaknesses. I know there will be a time in the future when I will want to again address how we can share or divide responsibilities, it is just right now, I don't believe it will be effective because he is not managing his ADHD and I don't trust that anything he promises will come to pass. For now, I am trying to use my understanding of the "now or not now" time sense--if I want help with something, I either ask when the help is needed, put off the request until he has the time to help then ask, or ask to schedule within a couple of days or a week at most. I try to not feel bothered by the fact that he doesn't remember when he has promised something anymore, but rather understand that if he is not treating himeself of course he won't remember, but try to not let that put me off from asking. That does leave me feeling a bit like the more mature one, as I equate responsibility w/maturity, and thus I don't feel so attracted to who he is as a man. While I remain committed to our marriage, and do believe that over time he will make some changes, i really do--especially as I get out of his process, I feel the need to accept where we are in the here and now for my own peace, sanity and heath.
Any thoughts or practical suggestions on how to live w/an ADHD husband who has not fully accepted his diagnosis or at least the need to manage it (and I understand it is more than just medical management) and to accept his pace in the process while trying to live a contented life of my own?
Thanks!
- Thank you Melissa by: adhdhusband 13 years 1 month ago
Melissa,
I have read your recent posts concerning Marriage and ADHD. I appreciate you perspective in helping those of us with ADHD to look clearly at ourselves. I appreciate the help you give to non-adhd spouses. Your perspective is so important. Marriage is very important no matter how difficult it may seem at times. Keep on writing!
- Healing Myself While Still Living Together by: spiceoflife 13 years 1 month ago
Forgive me if this is jumbled, it's really late right now. My husband posted here before me. In a nutshell, my husband sought treatment for his ADD after our marriage was in dire straits 6 years ago, was good about getting treatment, but gave it up eventually and slowly stopped his medication all together. Big surprise, our marriage is in a state of falling apart. Except I am in much worse shape emotionally than I was before, and I was a wreck then. I can't stand myself, my relationship with my husband, and had lost all hope of any of it changing until I stumbled on this website. The day after I read about everything I could here, I had an epic blow up at my husband - again - because he was blaming me for his problems - again. This sent him searching the internet for direction and, lo and behold, he stumbled onto this website on his own. It opened his eyes to understanding me and himself. Honestly, I didn't think that was possible. It hasn't been until now - 6 years since we last tried to fix our marriage - that I have read something that has spoken so much truth to what both my husband and I have experienced as a couple together. Melissa Orlov is a heaven sent. Being married to someone with ADD, or having it yourself is a complicated situation. It's very easy to see why people give up on relationships of this kind.
The problem I’m finding now is mustering the strength to begin again. I can’t get myself to reset my gears. I’m so exhausted from my blow up at my husband a few days ago, my internal compass is failing me, I’m ashamed at how utterly dysfunctional I’ve become, and the stress is so bad that I am feeling it in my entire body. I need a break from him, but it would devistate the kids. Yet I truly CAN’T go through the vicious cycle with him again. I spoke with my husband about these feelings and he is taking the last few pills from the last time he got treatment to help him out until he can get something else from his Dr. It's Adderall, so it helps in some ways, but he becomes over focused and it's hard for him to break away from what he's doing.
I don’t have any friends to talk to and my family, especially my mother, is so burned out with their own issues that I know if I try to seek support I would be stressing them out further. I made an appointment with a therapist to work out my stress and find ways to cope in my relationship, but it isn't going to be fore a few more days. I can't stand that my kids are feeling the stress, too. My boys, 9, 7, and 4 are acting out and rolling their eyes at me more. I'm a disappointment and I am surely fighting depression. I can tell they're thinking, "Emotional and Depressed Mommy can't do anything fun because she's tired or stressed out." "Don't lose your shoes or Mommy will lose her mind." "Great, I'm getting the 'don't make me repeat myself lecture', AGAIN." I'm so cranky that I'm a ticking time bomb around the kids. Living with me right now is not fun for anyone. What will become of me if my husband and I have another freak out session?! I think I might explode into a puff of smoke and cease to exist.
- Marriage 101 by: Melomom 13 years 1 month ago
You don't slap your wife's hand, you hold it.
You don't negate your wife's feelings, you validate them.
You don't YELL at your wife, you talk with her.
You don't think of ways to deceive your wife, you think of ways to happily surprise her.
You don't put up your fists to fight with your wife, you put out your arms to hug her.
You don't prepare to do battle with your wife, you stand beside her to do battle with the world.
You don't tell your wife she's doing something wrong, you chuckle with her when she makes a mistake.
You don't tell your friends what a bitch your wife is, you talk about why you married her.
You don't sit and watch your wife struggle with something heavy, you get up and help her.
You don't sigh, roll your eyes and argue when your wife asks you to do something, you just do the things that need to be done on your
own.You don't plan time away from your wife, you plan time with her.
You don't think of excuses to get out of "couples time" with your wife, you plan it and ask her out on a date.
- Is this a symptom? by: kallimae 13 years 1 month ago
Not sure where this should go...
My husband (adhd-er) never wants to do anything that involves leaving the house. I either give up, or I force him to do it and he's moody about it at first before eventually having fun. I don't ask him to do things that he won't enjoy doing, unless it is an obligation that we cannot get out of (family responsibilities mostly), because i cannot deal with the way he behaves if he's bored, disinterested, etc. I understand that his behavior when he's bored/disinterested is because of the ADHD, but is his hesitation to do anything outside of our house also a symptom? Recently he's been saying that he thinks it is, and he knows that once he's out somewhere he has fun 95% of the time, but it still has to almost get to the point of an argument before I can get him to go. He will also agree to do something ahead of time, and then the day of, 10 minutes before we are supposed to leave he will flake out on it. This has happened in situations from tailgating before a football game to going to my parent's to visit for the weekend. I hate telling people that he'll be somewhere and then feel like I have to make excuses for him when he's not and I don't have the time to convince him.
So, symptom, or something else?
Thanks!
- Circus update... by: needsalifeline 13 years 1 month ago
Well either this is the "it gets worse before it gets better" or the end one of the two! Another blow up by my DH last night, all over reading a book. I have been reading Melissa's book again; so last night I am sitting there reading while DH was on the computer and he asked me what I was reading. I told him it was the ADHD and relationships book and commented that a lot of it really makes sense and I liked how it was written because it doesn't blame anyone and it is written from both perspectives, so each partner can see where the other one is coming from. He seemed a bit interested so I simply told him (in a very nonconfrontational manner, just kinda like it was an afterthought) "we could read it together if you wanted to". He flew into a fit, yelling that "I have bigger things to think about than ADHD and I'm working on my stuff, I just don't need to talk to you or anyone else about it", "you are trying to fix something that isn't broken again", "one of these days your gonna realize that nothing was wrong with our relationship and its gonna be too late", and my favorite "your so lucky I'm still here, I have given you more chances than I have ever given anyone. I would have already left someone else". Then I got the usual, "I have had this for 31 years and dealt with it just fine, I don't need any damn book or shrink and neither do you", "you married me this way, deal with it" and "you have no idea how close I am to being done with you and all this crap". I'm lucky because he has given me a million chances????? What about all the chances he has gotten!!!! I'm not perfect by any means but I'm soooo sick of everything being my fault!!
This morning he refused to go to class again, because he was "tired". More like he didn't do any homework last night and had nothing to turn in, but of course that is my fault too. He couldn't do his homework because I "upset him" and all he could think of was smoking and he couldn't smoke "because I am forcing him to quit". I didn't say he had to quit, I just showed him the bank statement and explained (very calmly at that moment the other day) that there is no way to fit cigarettes into the budget. I'm sure he has a check stuck somewhere, so he will bounce it to buy them when I'm not home. So this morning when he decided not to go I just said ok and left, I wasn't fighting with him. I don't even want to go home after work...I know that sounds awful but the tension was still horrible this morning.
Ok so I probably sound like a complete bitchy, whiner...but I needed to get it out. Thanks for letting me vent!
~~HUGS to all~~
- How do you apologize to the one who loves you the most, yet has suffered the most? by: blueyes42676 13 years 1 month ago
I have had a "lightbulb" week. Now, I have known about the ADHD for 2 years and honestly thought I was handling it. Even with meds, I became complacent, and quite frankly did NOT see the impact my trait was having on those I love the most, especially my husband. I ignorantly thought as long as I apologized for bad days or when I forgot to take my meds then my mouth would get away from me, that I was doing enough, I was owning my mistakes and behavior. What I have realized is that is exactly what I was NOT doing. God bless my husband for still being here, especially while he has been battling his own issue ( PTSD). HOw could I have been so blind to the deep pain I was inflicting on the kindest, most patient man I have ever known? When I would get overwhelmed or upset and couldn't calm down, then run off at the mouth, forgetting most of what I would say, he just took it. When I didn't understand why he was so angry with me or started to withdraw after 10 years, I blamed him. How do you make right what you cannot change? How do you right so many wrongs you have committed against the one person you KNOW God designed for you? If I could go back and do over my mistakes, basically MY MOUTH, I would give anything. Unfortunately, life doesn't allow for do-overs. Any suggestions for how to truly express my remorse, shame and sadness for the hurt I have caused him because of my inabilty to control certain aspects of my disorder and my arogance at not realizing sooner how much I had hurt him?
We are still married and not getting divorced, but I want to show him by my actions, words and deeds just how much he matters to me. He needs me more now than he ever has, the main reason I started really taking this seriously and learning to be better. My husband is the only person who has ever ""gotten me"" and I want to spend my life making up for any and all pain I have ever caused him.
How do I begin? Where do I start? Any real, heart-felt responses would be greatly appreciated...