My husband moved out of the house over a year ago and has communicated very little with our children since then. Calls them very little and sees them only once a year. Doesn't even ask me how they are doing. Is there anyone else out there that has experienced this same thing? I cannot understand how a parent can do this to their children.
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- ADD Father Moved Out, Now Very Little Communication with Children by: add 13 years 1 month ago
- How to Create Understanding by: summerwine 13 years 1 month ago
Hi there
I am a 29 year old single Mom with ADHD-PI my is 8 and he is ADHD-C and dysgraphia. I am seeing a wonderful ma who just doesn’t get it. We’ve been seeing each other for about 6 months now and there is talk of moving in together. He is a wonderful man very kind and gentle and loving, he is good with my son most of the time and he makes me very happy. But I can’t seem to get it through his skull that ADHD is a real disability and that certain accommodations and treatments and coping strategies and all that need to be in place. He comes form the just work harder crowd I guess. He turned around a little when he saw the difference between DS on meds vs off meds but it wasn’t enough really. I’m looking for understanding and compassion and for him to “get” the way things have to be done before I’ll let him move in with us. Maybe if I gave an example or two? He went with me to buy a new set of dishes and pots and pans last week. He couldn’t seem to grasp that as an ADHD household all the dishes must be dishwasher friendly and easy to clean and not very breakable. He saw this set of dishes that he really liked but it was not dishwasher or microwave safe. We wound up getting into an argument about it. He doesn’t understand why I can’t just hand wash dishes. He also doesn’t understand why I don’t buy clothes that need to be ironed. He wears a lot of nice shirts for work and has to iron them. I told him as a joke that even if we lived together he would still be ironing his shirts. Between me and the kid theres just no way I am ironing clothing. He thinks it’s a copout that I’m using ADHD as an excuse not to do stuff like that. I tried to explain that its part of the family plan put in place with our counsellor, to cut down on the amount of chores and house work I have to do. I need things to be easy. Clothes that come out of the dryer wrinkle free. How do I make him understand that these little things just pile up and become too much. I need to keep it easy for me and my son.
- What to do when he won't move out by: Haptalf 13 years 1 month ago Although we have been at the point of divorce many times before, I believe I will go through with it this time. I am completely burned out and am tired of his ADHD and depression. I need to get on with my life! He is very angry and refuses to leave our home. I am willing to compensate him fairly for this, however, he is very angry (as usual)! I live in NJ. Anyone have any advice? Do I wait for his anger to subside? Do I see a lawyer and be aggressive? I was hoping to do this civilly thru a mediator. I want our divorce to be more dignified than our marriage.... We have one 16 yr old daughter.
- Consider this...... by: whyisitsobad 13 years 1 month ago
Every once in a while when I'm feeling really down I look at this site thinking I will find some hope. Instead I end up feeling even more discouraged. Even in the 'hopeful' forum - it's all about being hopeful that the ADHD spouse will change and 'get better' and live up to the non-adhd spouse's expectations. I read how everyone is at their wits end with their spouse and can't take it anymore. Or how the adhd spouse is making progress but it's such a small step.
I AM the adhd spouse. And I'm tired and I'm weary and I want to just be loved for who I am. I don't want to be worked on or fixed or trained or graded. Walking on eggshells is no fun. Going along being happy and thinking life is good and then realizing I'm the only one who sees things that way. Realizing that the person I love with all my heart is frustrated yet again for something I have or haven't done that I didn't even 'see'. Hearing the same topic of frustration over and over again week after week. There are times I work so hard and I'm patting myself on the back thinking I've made real progress only to hear that I've still not measured up and the same frustrating topic is right there again.
Sometimes I wish I'd never pursued the realization that I had adhd because now that's what I have become. It's stamped on my forehead and that's all my spouse sees. And right next to me is a running scoreboard of my perceived successes and failures. It's as if now everything I do is a measurement of progress or no progress. I want to live and just be happy. I feel like I am one of the happiest people I know but inside now I'm crumbling. From the beginning to the end of the day I'm corrected, reminded, judged and defeated. Even when my spouse isn't around I can hear in my head the frustration and irritation. Even if it's nothing that's been spoken before now I know the eyes that things are viewed with and all I can see are the things I do wrong. Now it's as if I'm trying to win the game each day. I do all these things each day in hopes that today will be the day I'm not reminded of my adhd. And yet I could do 400 things right but there will still ALWAYS be something I failed. I wish I could just live my days again - just being the free me - instead of trying to prove I can do 'normal'.
All I can see now are the flaws I have and all the things about me that I know frustrate my spouse. With all my heart I wish I could change those things overnight and be what my spouse wants but they are me and are who I am. I'm not sure I even understand why some of the things are bad. Why did it suddenly become bad to be me? I talk too much or say the wrong thing. I see the look on my spouse's face and know I've done it again. There are times I tell my spouse things that may seem pointless but to me they're not - and the silence in response is deafening. I get it. The silence means I'm rambling about things that seem silly and pointless. At times it feels like my spouse just wants to get away from me and it hurts and I feel so lonely inside. I just want someone to tell me I'm doing a good job and it's ok to be me and I'm not such a disappointment to them. Just one person.
For the first time ever my spouse poked fun at one of my adhd flaws at the dinner table and my children all laughed. I wanted to die. My heart was crushed and I wanted to sob like a little kid because it hurt so much. In a way I feel like I've become a child in my spouse's eyes instead of a partner and that this label I now have comes with a free pass for constant correction and frustration. At the end of the day there's a silent review going on and I always know what the unspoken grade is until it builds and builds as I wait and guess what it will be this time.
There will be no end to me being who I am. I am sorry that it is so frustrating that I am this way. My heart aches for the days when I didn't feel like I was doing everything wrong. When the days weren't filled with dread and I didn't feel like I failed every expectation. I wish that my spouse didn't feel alone. When I learned that I felt like my world was shattered. How could I be in such a different place and view things so differently? And how could I unknowingly cause my soul mate so much pain? I'm sorry that I wasn't doing my share. I didn't realize it really was that way. Now I try so hard to look at it from a different perspective and use the different tools and strategies to remember and try but it feels like it's never enough and it's too late to make a difference now because we had to discuss it rather than me just seeing it and so it's not the same.
If only my heart could express how much I wish I wasn't this way and how hard I'm trying to do all the things I can to fix it even if it's not a fast huge change. I'm so very sorry. I wouldn't wish this for anyone.
- Advice needed about finding a way through by: Linsy 13 years 1 month ago
Hello everyone, I have been living apart from my long term partner for a year. Although he says he has explored the idea that ADD is behind his increasingly difficult behaviour, I am not sure if he has actually gone all the way down the path to diagnosis and treatment - he appears to keep this secret from me. We parted because I was so stressed I was unable to control my panic attacks and anxiety, as every time I came home from work it was to find something wrong, nothing done, and everyone angry and upset. I would have accepted him being at home if he had run the household effectively, but he didn't run it at all whatever he said. This became incredibly clear after he left, and it was an easier, much cheaper, better organised, quieter, more peaceful, happier and more reasonable place within a couple of days - and that included the children's behavior.
However, having read so much on here, I don't want to give up - although plenty of professional people have suggested this as the only option. I still think he can be helped, because we had one perfect afternoon in the whole year - a fellow 'adder' had given him a Ritalin and he had taken it just before we met up for a walk.
These are his main symptoms, and any advice would be gratefully accepted.
- He appears to have no concept of the connection between work and money. I was paying interest on debts he had built up in his business that then went bust, and nothing I could do or say would persuade him that he needed to pay this money himself and contribute financially to the household.
- He has not worked or earned for ten years, except very small amounts, casual and for friends and family, and seemed to stay at home doing and achieving little or nothing while I went out to work. He picked our son up from school, but I was also paying for a lot of childcare - in the first years full time. and after school care, holiday care etc. When what I wanted was a balanced life where we both got to be with our kid.
- His judgment is very poor, trust had completely disappeared as I could not trust him to do anything consistently that was based on reasoned judgment from replacing batteries in smoke alarms, to paying bills etc. If he did anything, it was completely inconsistent - done one day but then not again. He thought if he did the kitchen once, it should stay clean in some magic way for instance.
- He got parking tickets so often, but did not seem to see that me having to waste my earnings on paying them off was very upsetting. When challenged he became very angry and appeared not to see why I should be angry when my car was clamped and I could not take children on an outing because he had failed to deal with one.
- He lost things all the time such as car keys and even a treasured necklace of mine, broke things and left things behind that were vitally needed. Such as his wallet and some of my valued possessions. There was often a crisis as a result that I had to solve.
- He agreed to do things, but then didn't do them, leaving me with yet more responsibility which I was finding increasingly exhausting, as if I was carrying him on my back.
- He spent my earnings freely, on expensive things, without reference to me and without earning the money to do so
- He had horrendous mood swings, seemed angry increasingly as he got older. He fought with his own family and his children as well as me.
- When he appeared to agree to a course of action, he completely failed to complete what he had agreed to do, and then became very angry when challenged
- The children were beside themselves, I think they found his inconsistency maddening. Particularly his attempts at 'discipline' which must have appeared as the purest hypocrisy
- He does adolescent things like refuse to wear a seat belt, stay up til 3am watching rubbish on television, is often in bed when I deliver the child to him, goes off at very short notice when I thought we had an agreement about who has the child.
- In the year he has been away from us, he looks much better and calmer, but then he is living a stress free life in his mother's house at her expense, and taking no responsibility for anything. He has not paid a penny towards his children's keep.
We were together for a long time. I have no interest in being with anyone else, and I would very much like to be with him again as he was at his best, when his business was going well and I got to be with my children more and lead a life where I could make choices and was not always panicking about paying for things all by myself. At the moment though, what is getting in our way is that he blames me for the breakdown of our marriage (except in occasional lucid moment) as I did ask him to leave our home. I was very angry, so stressed and upset, my skin crawled, my heart thumped, my hands shook, I was probably horrible to live with towards the end as his behaviour became more and more bizarre.
So many deal breakers, but if the reason is that he has undiagnosed ADHD that has ruined his life, then I am still here for him. He just has to grasp that that is what the problem is, and own it and seek help.
What does everyone think? Is there any hope? I know Melissa's story, but her husband acknowledged there was a problem.
What do I say and do to help us be our best selves for each other and our families?
Thank you for anything you can say.
- Starting a support group using Melissa's book by: agnesann 13 years 1 month ago
Hi Melissa and everyone,
Have any groups been started based around your book Melissa? I live in Holland, MI and want to start a support group for the non-add spouse. There is noone who I know who has chosen to stay but who struggles like I do with teh very strong and tiring emotional life that accompanies staying. I know of someone in town who also has a husband with ADHD and she is, coincidentally, a therapist. I told her I would reach out and see if there are any groups started yet. Or, Melissa, we could be the lab rats if you want to see your book go to "the next level"......
Hope to hear from someone.
Kind regards,
- Back for a minute.. by: needsalifeline 13 years 2 months ago
Hi everyone!
Just wanted to check in and tell you my "break" is just what I needed! I totally focused on what I needed (not everything that was going wrong) and things are going surprisingly well.....never thought I would say that. My DH and I sat down shortly before I decided to take my "break" and really talked about a lot of stuff that both of us needed to stop. I didn't make any demands and had no expectations that anything would be different (although I didn't tell him that). In the past two weeks he started seeing a counselor at school (or at least he says he is), he got a prescription to help him quit smoking, started taking herbal supplements for his ADHD, he started going to church again (even on the Sundays when I have to work) and he started having the ministers come once a week for bible study again, he went and got the paperwork started to get a house in the area we work (so we can be closer and get away from all the negative influences) AND the #1 most amazing thing is that when he got his student loan money last week he used it for stuff that pertained to school and bills that needed to be paid!!! It isn't all gone with nothing to show for it, even when his friend offered him two jet skis for an amount of money that he would have easily had. He actually told the guy no he had things to do with the money. Guess that whole stepping back thing works!! :)
On my side of the coin, I had an interview for an awesome job last week (Got a call back on it yesterday, but I was gone all day so I will have to call them on Monday), had a call for an interview for another job yesterday (have to call them back when I get home today), was chosen for a photo shoot for a book, the DH took me to the mall and bought me some new clothes (he HATES the mall) and I'm still seeing my counselor.
I know this could end at any time and it could all go south, but I'm "basking in the glow" right now! Do we still have issues???? OH YEAH!!! But he is working on his part and I'm working on mine. His quote of the week from his counselor was "you need to go and do your thing (within boundaries) and she needs to go and do hers and in the evening you come together". Hes been home every night for two weeks...he might be on the laptop or watching TV but its sitting by me on the couch, so I will take it!
Take care everyone! Be back later!
- What role does Christian Faith have in your marriage to an ADHD partner? (For those who are Christians) by: bluedaisy522 13 years 2 months ago
What role does Christian Faith have in your marriage to an ADHD partner? (For those who are Christians)
- what is "ADD" by: Gary jun 13 years 2 months ago
How are you Dr. Hallowell I'm a Taiwan peopole (sorry my english is pool)
at time in bookstore I seen your book "Delivered from Distraction" , I found I like a "ADD" and very interested it ,but in taiwan I can't
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I really want to know what is ADD and learn how to be better. very thankyou look my write letter by Gary Jun in taipei
- Need Input! Pivitol counseling session coming up! by: gratitudeiskey 13 years 2 months ago Hi…non- ADHD spouse here. I’ve posted a few times on this site and have all I can do to not sign in and read her for hours on end. My husband and I have a very pivitol appointment coming up with our ADHD coach. I say “our” because we use her as a marriage counselor. This meeting is sort of a come to Jesus meeting. I need to communicate some boundries, and other areas of opportunity that need to be dealt with. One of the big things that I’m struggling with his the outside of our home and yard. Although he knows the “hording” of stuff outside our home and in our yard bothers me, it’s very, very hard for him to let go of some of these things. He’s made some headway in the past few weeks but it’s not even close to the way that I like my home to look. I have my own issues and although I’m neat freak, an orderly, organized outside is what I function in best. We paid so much money to get this great house and lawn. I was so happy and I could sit on the deck and relax and renew while looking out onto this amazingly beautiful, lush backyard. Now, there is a HUGE burn pile, 4 nonworking rusting lawn tractors, broken down leaf blowers, car engines….etc. I could go on for hours. So, that said, how do I tell him that I need this put back to the condition we found it. Or at least close to it. He sneaks things in through the back of his car and things come in without my consult. Almost all of this was done without my knowledge. Is it fair for me to say “It causes me so much stress and pain to see our backyard like this. I need for us to work hard at getting it all cleaned up and looking like it used to. Another poster commented on Melissa O’s blog and talked about how she regained her sanity creating her own happiness. One of her steps was: 2. I looked around my house and made a list of what bothered me most. For me it was the unmowed lawn, peeling house paint, and tools left out (dangerous for my 3 children). I decided we (my kids and I) would be responsible for most of the upkeep of the house together. Now, I like pulling into my driveway after work and seeing pretty flowers, a mowed lawn and neat house. It's - NICE. My problem here is that he won’t let me touch any of it. I would just hire a dumpster, pull of my sleeves and get to work. Call the salvage yard, have them take all the broken down cars and equipment, re-seed the lawn (a lot has worn away to dirt) but he WONT let me do that. Also, I'm prepared to do all the rest or even have it hired. All the projects like the unfinished flooring and the clogged gutters and the stair molding that keeps falling off or the towel bar that's falling off. I can fix ALL of that. The rest is another story. How on earth do I communicate that I cannot and will not live like this. This is my home too and I need to create a place of peace and happiness for myself. He is not doing that job….it’s my responsibility to create my happiness and I NEED this. How do I say that in ADHD speak. UGH….now I have butterflies in my tummy just thinking of this session and what’s going to come out of it. Also, am I being unreasonable? Thank you so much everyone. Gina B