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  • New self diagnosed adhd a marriage issues by: Elscobie 8 years 8 months ago

    I am currently reading Melissa Orlov's book and it is scary how everything matches my marital life.  I am finally understanding what my wife has been going through and it hurts me.  I don't realize what my actions are doing to her.  The book  is like a slap in the face.  I have tried to share this with my wife and tell her that she has not been dealing with me the right way.  The blaming and parent child relationship.  She did not deal with this well and still argues that I need to change.  I do, but I feel she is making it more difficult with her responses.  I really do love her, but we are in the death spiral and I don't know what to do to get out of it.  I will be talking to my therapist for medication.  My main question to anyone reading this is, how do you get your skeptical wife to believe in you and help you.

     

     

  • Stopping the "ghosting" by: PoisonIvy 8 years 8 months ago
    "Ghosting" is a term that means ending contact or shutting down communication. It is happening to one of our newer forum visitors, from his spouse. I think he has received some useful information about how and why the ghosting started but very little about ending the ghosting or about how to decide whether being in a relationship with someone who won't talk to him is sustainable. Any tips?
  • Free Doughnuts with your ADHD by: Dale Tartan 8 years 8 months ago

    So my wife and I are constantly fighting for numerous reasons. But we called a truce and started over last week. I've been taking meds again too  

    Today she says "when you win a free doughnut you can't get a coffee. " (local coffee shop contest you can win a free doughnut)

    I never go to this coffee shop so my question was: "that doesn't make sense, I don't get it. Are you saying you can't buy a coffee in conjunction with winning a doughnut? Or what? Explain. 

     

    She responds "ya you can't get a coffee"

    Me: "that makes no sense" you can't even buy a coffee?"

     

    her: "don't be a fucking asshole, you didn't take your pill did you!!?"  You can't take a free coffee in lieu of the free doughnut!!

     

    now granted I may have been having a blonde moment about the coffee  but I think the response was uncalled for. In frustration I walked away  

    Thoughts anyone how I should have handled this??

     

  • ADHD ex and food issue by: ex-girlfriend o... 8 years 8 months ago

    I found my ex has ADHD (he's 34) 5 months into our relationship. He never told me. He only mentioned sometimes that he's bad a organizing and scheduling. I found out when I saw Ritalin on his desk and asked him what it is. He told me it's to help him with organization skills. I went home later that night and googled Ritalin myself. So ADHD came up. But I didn't think it was a big deal. Now finding this site makes me realize ADHD stretches far beyond work ability. I'm now officially done with this guy after a year of physical and verbal abuse. It's sad thinking about how kind, attentive and trustworthy he seemed at the beginning. However things turned around a few months later and he started distancing himself from me. When pressed for a reason, he would blurt out things that hurt me so much. The things he said are so shocking that I would need another post to write them down so that readers can understand the extent of their hurtfulness. Sadly enough, even now I still think he's a guy with a wonderful heart. Maybe it's his ADHD? Maybe it's me that's not good enough for him and brought out his worst sides? I don't know.

     

    Anyway, as I said I will write a separate post about his verbal outbursts with me. Here's just an example of "physical abuse" he has done to me throughout the year, even in the beginning of our relationship when he was optimistic and happy:

    My ex boyfriend thought I was not skinny enough and don't look good enough, so he controlled my diet. In fact I have a very normal BMI and healthy and happy. He would allow me to only eat a salad at every meal, and at occasions where others are present, e.g. eating with friends and relatives, even in the presence of his own mother, he would stop me from eating when he thinks I've had enough, or take away food from my plate (in a smiling "loving" way). It went on for a year. Imagine feeling starved when climbing the Alps (he blamed me for looking grumpy all the time, of course I was starving and struggling with low blood pressure, thus I was grumpy!) Of course now I blame myself for allowing those things to happen to me, I humiliated myself. But at that time even though I knew it was wrong, I always assumed my ex was a bit nerdy and idiotic when interacting with people, so I kindly explained to him that he can't do that kind of actions to people (like explaining to a 5-year old) instead of smashing the food on his face.

    Anyway, nothing worked because he would become defensive and put the blame on me. He would say things like he's only doing that coz I don't have enough determination to be on a diet on my own, and that he doesn't even enjoying controlling my food etc. Ironically, we're not together anymore, and the past few months post-breakup has been hell for me because of all the abusive shit. Food is just one example, there are many more. Hell has made me lose weight even faster than when he was controlling my diet, now I'm officially size small.

    From hindsight, it's interesting that even when the food controlling began I didn't know he had ADHD at that time. But I still found excuse for him and assumed he had good intentions but bad actions. I guess I just have too much empathy that turned into my weakness and ended up hurting yourself. Dating this ADHD man has taught me so much about life, lesson of life that normal people would learn in years, I've learned them all with just one break-up.

  • To correct or not to correct? by: Redhead5 8 years 8 months ago

    I'm going to throw out a bunch of questions I've been having about situations that come up over and over again with other couples.

    I would love answers from both ADHD and non-ADHD spouses.

    There are clear times when my ADHD spouse says something that didn't happen the way he says. I know this is common with couples. He acknowledges this sometimes and welcomes me to correct him. But then there are times he is not okay with it and gets flooded/overwhelmed because he really remembers it differently and wants to disagree with me. For example, I could say

    "I feel forgotten about when you go to get a drink, get distracted and take a long time (He could say he'll be a minute and take twenty). I need you to try and stay focused on coming back. 

    He'll say "I won't get a drink ever again"

    I'll correct and say "That's not what I want. What did you hear me say?"

    He'll say "You don't like it when I go to get a drink"

    I'll correct and say "I didn't say that, I said..." And we repeat something like this over and over.

    These are literal conversations. What can I say to what he is saying? A different way to correct? Something that's not a correction? I would love ideas from both spouses!!

  • H was unhappy and easy to anger for a few days and now is manically happy. by: Anonymous (not verified) 8 years 8 months ago

    I really hate these huge mood swings. For a good part of last week, H was not very happy. He was irritated with work, came home and didn't really say a whole lot to me and sat in front of the computer for hours. He'd snap at me for no reason. Now as of last Friday, his mood has totally shifted. He's really happy and upbeat. He tells me maybe he was in a bad mood because he hadn't gotten laid in a while! Well there's no reason why as I've been available every night! He got pretty drunk at home Saturday night and was loud. Then yesterday he was hungover for the morning and took a 3 hour nap in the afternoon and by 4PM was back to his happy place. He was just constantly talking about things and singing at the top of his lungs while I was trying to watch a movie we had rented. Then he'd sit and start playing his guitar while we were watching this movie. I asked him "Are you even interested in this movie?" because it had been on for about 30 minutes and I had no idea what was going on because I couldn't hear the dialogue over him talking and playing. He calmed down for a bit but was still being lovey on me. I mean that's great, but it was just constant "Oh hunney bunney, I just love our house and I love you and just kept being overly affectionate. Then goes "I don't know what's wrong with me, but I'm just so giddy". Then we watch "The Walking Dead" and he proceeds to talk through a good part of that as well saying what we would do in a zombie apocalypse and how they are doing it all wrong! I make fun of him while he's talking about it and he goes "No I mean this is what we'd really have to do". Dude, it's not going to happen so please be quiet so I can watch the show!" Then he starts playing his guitar on the couch again and not really watching the show and goes "So did you see what I did there?" Arrgh! No! I'm trying to watch this show and you want to school me on what you are doing with your guitar! He can't just sit and watch tv, he has to be on the computer or doing something with his hands while we are sitting there. I like that he's in a good mood, but the hours of him just being manic just really turned me off. I'd rather have him that way than upset about everything, but still!

  • What exactly will medications do for a person with ADHD by: I'm So Exhausted 8 years 8 months ago

    I have a thought that expectations of the benefits of ADHD medication may be too high.  Maybe not so much for the non-ADHD spouse, but for the person with a later-in-life diagnosis of ADHD.  

    A person with near-sightedness can wear a pair of glasses or contacts to 'improve' their vision.  At days end, they remove the glasses or contacts, and obviously those things did not 'fix' their vision.

    I think if we had a clear list of specifically what the medication will do, than it may be easier to understand if the the medication is beneficial or not.

    Just wondering,

    Liz

     

     

  • Been away from this site for about a year, but more frustration piling up! by: Anonymous (not verified) 8 years 8 months ago

    In the year since I've been on here, lots has happened. In April of last year, H decided (after many weeks of not going into work) that he needed to go into alcohol treatment. I knew something was up for weeks because he barely paid attention to me but would just joke about it. Then one Friday he calls me at work and tells me he's going into treatment. He gets called in to in about a week later. He's there for 2 weeks. Comes home and immediately feels better about everything. Needless to say, this did nothign to curb his drinking. It did for a few months, but he's right back to drinking as much as he did before. I think it was just another way to avoid work for a few weeks with an excuse. Says he's going into work that Monday but fails to go in for that whole week, even though he promised he'd go in. Finally starts going in. Goes in for about a month and then gets into a motorcycle accident at the racetrack in late May. Has several broken ribs and a broken scapula. Is in the hospital overnight. Well now he CAN'T work, which he's probably happy about. He stays away form work longer than he had to and finally goes back in early August. Gets told that there's a discrepency with his time off (well duh!) and this is his 3rd CAM in a year so he could be fired. Well his response to that? Not go into work again for weeks. Now he's deciding what to do as if he quits before he gets fired then he can get hired back in there if he can't find anything else. For some reason they don't do anything or fire him for weeks. Come late September, he has yet another accident on the racetrack. This one much worse and he is airlifted to the hospital with broken ribs and punctured lung, drainage tube. He decides to go racing when I am 2000 miles away visiting family and I get a call halfway through my trip that he's been hurt.I had to cancel my trip last time because of his previous accident because I was supposed to fly out 3 days later and then this happens. I still stay the entire trip because he says there's nothing I can do if I come home early. He is in the hospital for 6 days this time. You can imagine his attitude now. Everything I do is wrong because he is in pain and he makes me feel like a complete moron. Anybody shows up to visit he's nice and chipper, but as soon as they leave he starts barking at me. Finally decides to quit his job. Now he's jobless and hurt. Awesome.

     

    He goes and interviews for another job and gets hired on there after nearly a month of playing phone tag. This is a job I found for him because all he wanted to do is sit and play video games because job hunting and sending in resumes is hard work! He's been at this job for 4 months now and seems to love it. There have still been a couple days when he didn't go in but he can't get away with weeks off here or he'll be fired. Says he likes everyone, but the guy he has to work with doesn't do his job so he gets irritated with him. Of course, you wouldn't be you if you didn't have someone to get irritated with. He still can't help much with bills. His money goes towards motorcycle stuff, video game stuff, HIS bills and money to his daughter for college. It's like if he has any left over he'll give me some for bills. I know he is about $9000 in credit card debt but he doesn't know I know. Then he goes out this past Monday and buys a $2000 guitar (even though he already has 3 and he can't play more than the first couple of lines from any song) but he just HAD to have it because the value will only go up. He gets all sweet on me because he got it and I didn't get mad. Even his buddy who went with him who plays really well said the guitar is too much for his skill level, but he didn't care. So I basically pay all the bills, do all the cleaning and the yardwork, run all the errands while he gets to play. He offered up my truck and our trailer to his buddy to help with his move. No word to me beforehand to see if it was okay. Figured it would be because I could drive his truck to work while he took his motorcycle. I would never offer YOUR vehicle up to someone without asking you first. Of course that goes along with him asking his coworker and his girlfriend over for Thanksgiving and telling me the night before they would be coming, or making plans for us to go see his buddy without asking me.

     

    So anyways, he went from lovey dovey the past few nights because he was so enamored with his guitar and his daughter is talking to him again and everything is awesome, to last night coming home all irritated because his coworker doesn't do his job. He was emailing me all sweetly up until about 2PM yesterday but things must have gone south at work after that. Comes home and the first thing he says is "I hope you got beer because I need one" then starts going off about how shitty traffic was and nobody knows how to drive then about his coworker. Then the truck and trailer is back and he needs to back the trailer up into the driveway. This is always such a good time because I know he'll always get upset with me because I don't do it right. He needs me to stand by the driveway and guide it in. Well he's backing it in and it's fine but he's yelling at me that he can't see me and he needs me to tell him which way to turn it. I tell him it's coming back perfectly straight and he says "No it's not". Um, yes it is. He says again that it's not. Well if you seem to be able to tell me that it's crooked when I can see that it's not, why the hell do you need me here to help you? Guns the truck forward because he's pissed off. Starts yelling that he can't see a thing. I'm not sure what he wants me to tell him because it's coming back fine. Gets out and tells me "now it's all crooked and I'm not going to be able to get the truck in the driveway. Unhooks the trailer and then looks at the trailer and goes "it's in there perfect". A minute ago you were bitching about how it's all crooked and the truck won't fit and now it's perfect? When he's pissed off, nothing is right, even if it's perfect. Then when he calms down everything is fine. I know if a neighbor had been outside he would have been perfectly nice to me. It would have been "Sweetie, is it straight"? But since nobody was outside it was "I can't see a damn thing and you aren't helping at all!". I go in the house and avoid him. He comes up to me and says "I'm sorry I was frustrated." I say "I don't like being yelled at" and he immediately starts getting mad saying "I wasn't yelling at you. I was frustrated. I couldn't see anything and you weren't saying anything". Then he gets upset because I don't want to kiss him and says "Oh great now you're going to be mad all night." Like the whole damn thing is my fault!

     

    Oh AND he went and bought a $12,000 new motorcycle back in November without talking to me about it! I take that back. He did say "I really want to get this one motorcycle" and then 2 days later came home with it. He goes "I know I didn't talk to you about it, but I  finally have  good credit and don't need any help in getting a loan." So you'd be okay if I came home with a new $30,000 car one night because "I have good credit and don't need any help in getting a loan"?

     

    I do nothing but pay the bills, clean the house, keep the yard looking nice, buy the groceries, run all the errands, LET him make stupid purchases he can't afford and he treats me like crap when he's in a bad mood. If everything is going his way and he's in a good mood then everything is great, but if he had a bad day then it's perfectly fine to treat me like crap. Yet I can't have a bad day or he tells me to lighten up!

  • How to "move on" after verbal attacks? by: AliceInBraids 8 years 8 months ago

    My ADHD husband has zero coping skills and has a tantrum whenever things don't go his way. I will do pretty much anything to avoid engaging him in a fight but I'm only human and it happens. When we argue he has a tendency to scream that he hates me and wants me to leave. I never leave because I tell myself he's "not himself" and he doesn't mean it. When he calms down he will usually apologize and say he didn't mean it. But lately I've been struggling to believe him when he apologizes. I've told him that the things he's said to me in anger are hard to forget, even though I honestly try. But when he says the same awful things repeatedly its hard. Also, like most ADHD partners, I am ignored quite a bit as a general rule so I never feel like I'm getting that reassurance I need. All of this makes me very sad and insecure. When I try to talk to him about my feelings he accuses me of bringing up old drama or he says that I don't know how to "just be happy". When in truth I am unhappy for these reasons. So I was wondering how you guys handle the verbal abuse? Do most ADHD people apologize or is this just my husband?  I should also note that when he does apologize for his cruel words/actions against me, its a quick formality, you can tell he is not actually concerned for my emotional well being at all. He just doesn't want to deal with me. I take what I can get and grab the "peace". But I'm struggling to find any in my heart. I love my husband very much and won't leave him unless he truly wants me to. But who knows how he really feels. A lot of times I feel like I'm not a "real" person to him, like in his mind I don't have feelings or its okay to treat me in ways he would NEVER stand for being treated himself. Also he will express geniune regret to me aftrr he has lashed out at a family member or coworker. He is able to feel regret and compassion for others, although not as often as most people would. Its still much more common than showing any kind of regret for hurting me. Anyway. How do you soothe yourself? How do you pick yourself back up and feel okay? I could really use some pointers.

  • Ethical Thinking and Rationalizations by: kellyj 8 years 8 months ago

    This is something that I do think is relevant to people with ADHD in terms of lying or perceived as lying or not telling the truth.  In this case it comes in the form of rationalizing which is something that I have worked very hard in eliminating in my repertoire.  It is simply trying to explain yourself or justify why you do things which in the case of undiagnosed ADHD.....this almost becomes second nature to do.

     By itself....it is not lying pursuant  in that you aren't aware of the truth.... but more trying to fit the truth into what you do and  justify it by doing it this way.  Is really is for that reason alone but it isn't  the truth in terms of what is really real or happening.  If you can't explain something about yourself and you are left without any way to defend your actions to others....the only thing is left is rationalizing until you have a better explanation not just an excuse.  One leaves things open to discuss and the other one ends the discussion right there.

    I thought this might prove to be useful to explain this to those of you on the receiving end to understand where and why it happens?  To start....here are examples of ethical thinking.

    Ends-based thinking - deciding to do whatever provides the greatest good for the greatest number. This is known as the principle of utilitarianism. It relies on being able to predict the consequences of different actions.

    Rule-based thinking - deciding what to do based on a rule that you believe should be a general principle that is always followed. Rule-based thinking acknowledges that you can never really know all the consequences of your actions and that it is better to stick to one's principles. (conservatism)

    Care-based thinking - deciding what to do based on the idea that this is what we would want others to do to you. This is known as the principle of "reversibility " and is at the center of most religious teachings. (empathy or love based)

    And right off the bat....I can see a gender conflict here between these thinking approaches which are all considered "ethical" in their own right.

     

    The ethical "man" or "prudent man"  (from a male perspective)....would fall squarely into the utilitarian way of thinking and rightfully so.  But as stated....it relies on being able to predict the consequences of different actions and being able to differentiate the difference between more than one persons feelings and needs as a whole.  This is the forest way of thinking in other words as I understand this.  I also think this is a stereo typical man way of seeing things as a tendency by default.

    The second one or Rule based thinking would fall more in line with duty and obligation and is a conservative decision making approach.  Fear would also be an important measure in using this approach in that if all else fails or to prevent  a person from failing.......follow the rules as stated.and never get into trouble.  I think this is not a gender specific tendency personally in that I can think of people in both genders who rely heavily on this way of thinking to make decisions that are both male and female.

    The third one I think by it's very nature.....is the one that stereo typically women use as their primary means of making decisions as stated.  It require empathy and putting yourself into other shoes in trying to decide the best decision to choose from and make a decision concerning others.  In how I see this in comparison....this is a "trees" way of thinking not a "forest" approach.

    This is just my observation when I make these claims about the stereo types.  This is not saying that gender has anything to do with this at all...but to further make a point here.....I wouldn't say this if it was not something I noticed by observation alone.  I have no opinion or judgment behind these claims on gender "tendencies."

    But going back to the idea of rationalizing........rationalizing is going to look different depending on which ethical style you apply rationalizing to each one independently.  That means.....those rationalizations that are attempting to undo or counter these ethical ways of thinking by arguing against them....are going to come in different forms depending on which style you apply to them.  The only use this has in trying to identify them is to try and identify who said them and why.  If the case you are applying them to has to do with male and female relationships....it would make sense to see the most common ones used by either gender and look at the differences between these different ways of seeing things?

    In other words....if you are a woman coming from the Care-based ethics and decision making process....then empathy is going to applied first to any decision making process to implement or interpret  this to another persons thinking?

    In turn....if a man is coming from a utilitarian way of ethics in his decision making process....that's going to look a bit different in trying to determine how he thinks and the way it's applied to someone seeing it only from a  Care based perspective?

    And if all else fails and neither side can come to an agreement in which one is better under the circumstances.....then Rule based thinking is always going to be a safe bet between the two as a default if all else fails.

    The problem here as I was thinking about this....is that they are all valid or ethical ways of approaching things or other people.  But none of these ways apply to all cases all the time and that is where the conflict begins. 

    In reality....these are just constructs to help us see these differences but also saying that they are all needed by everyone at different times to apply differently depending on the circumstance, time or place.  In theory....if a person only tries to apply one approach or thinking to everyone or everything......this would be an argument that they are ALL needed  ALL at the same time in order to make the right or best ethical decision possible?

    Now if you look at the most common forms of rationalizations used to argue against or undo these ethical ways of thinking a means to excuse yourself from them (excuses).....you can see pretty quickly that these are going to be applied differently depending on which one you use.....

    Or in other words.....if the wrong one( or two)  are the ones being used to make your decisions and the actions that would follow....the rationalizations or justifications are only required if you can't account for the third one in order to explain your decisions  to another person and account for the discrepancies?

    To say this another way .....would be to say that they would be speaking a different language than you if they do not have the ability to speak from all three ways of ethical thinking (or making an argument in favor of one or the other) and only use one or another in order to make any sense.....or....integrate them all together at the same time in their thinking so everyone can understand their position or point of view.  That is....to speak all three languages as necessary and do it in a way that everyone can understand no matter who you are?

    Common Rationalizations (or errors in thinking )

    If It’s Necessary, It’s Ethical

    This excuse is based on the false assumption that if something is necessary it doesn't matter much how it is done. The approach often leads to ends-justify-the-means reasoning. We tend to fall into the "false necessity trap" because we overestimate the cost of doing the right thing and underestimate the cost of failing to do so.

    If It’s Legal, It’s Ethical

    Legal requirements (which establish minimal standards of behavior) for personal moral judgment do not cover the full range of ethical obligations. Ethical people often choose to do less than the maximum allowed, but more than the minimally acceptable.

    I Was Just Doing It For You

    This is a primary justification for committing "little white lies" or withholding important information in personal or professional relationships. Consider the perspective of people lied to: If they discovered the lie, would they thank you for being considerate or would they feel betrayed, patronized or manipulated?

    I’m Just Fighting Fire With Fire

    This is the false assumption that promise-breaking, lying and deceit are justified if other people are doing it to you.

    It Doesn’t Hurt Anyone

    This excuse falsely holds that one can violate ethical principles so long as there is no clear and immediate harm to others. Examples are: Asking for or giving special favours to family, friends or public officials, disclosing nonpublic information to benefit others, using one’s position for personal advantage.

    Everyone’s Doing It

    This is a false "safety in numbers" rationale that assumes that just because many people are doing something it is universally accepted.

    It’s OK If I Don’t Gain Personally

    This justifies improper conduct done for others on the false assumption that personal gain is the only test of ethical behavior.

    I Deserve It

    People who feel they are overworked or underpaid rationalize that minor "perks" are  fair compensation for work done. This is also used as an excuse to abuse sick time, insurance claims, overtime, personal phone calls and personal use of office supplies.

     

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