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  • What to Do When Non-ADHD Spouse Says They Don't Love You Anymore by: ADHD_Highway_to... 8 years 7 months ago

    Well my subject pretty much says it all. . . .. I'm the ADHD one and have been married almost 18 years, most of it in a roller coaster marriage.  There’s lots of backstory that can probably be said later on, but the short version is that I’ve been told that I’ve sucked the life so much out of our relationship that she no longer loves me.  This came after the best 2 months in our marriage, so it really hurts a lot. 

    I realize that I, as the ADHDer, come with my own host of “issues”, but my non-ADHD spouse is no saint, either.  Again, I realize that I am human and make a whole lot of mistakes and bad choices, but dammit, at least treat me at a bare minimum with some shred of human dignity.  It doesn’t help things when I get told that I am worthless, just a paycheck, that I nor any ADHDer should ever get married because we never make fit company, that I am the SOLE reason the marriage is failing, calling me every swear word in the book, yelling at me in front of the kids, pretty much emasculating me, telling me that I’m a crybaby for telling her this, that I pretty much deserve what she dishes out because my stuff warrants it, and after all of this, I’ve been told that I’M the one who emotionally abuses her, etc.  Again, I realize that there are consequences to my mistakes and bad choices, but those consequences should not be to pretty much dehumanize me. . . . .Look, I’m not laying this all out to garner any sympathy, to may me feel better about myself, or get reassurances. . . . reading many of these blogs, I can see that many of you non-ADHD spouses are at the end of your ropes, have had to put up with more than your share of schtuff, that we can be jerks frequently, and some of your ADHD spouses are even people that I would toss off a pier, BUT, whatever us ADHDers may show on the outside, many of us are still human on the inside. 

    OK, now that I’ve got that ADHD rant out of my system and probably have driven many of you away by this point, how do I deal with my initial issue I mentioned above?  Divorce is pretty much not an option for various reasons, a large one being the financial aspect, and the kids an even larger part.  Years ago we went to marriage counseling and it worked for a time, but only after a lot of it.  I’ve been to at least a dozen therapists / coaches over the past 15 years.  She has gone to therapy several times, but there’s NO way I can “suggest” it to her now, since she’s pretty much said that ALL of the issues are ME that I don’t follow through with, and that SHE is the sane adult in the relationship who’s had enough of putting up with me.

    I love her, or whatever I still feel for her is love.  I hate dealing with this, and I cannot deal with approaching her when she is in her silent treatment, curt, sarcastic, resentful brooding moods.  She doesn’t really trust me any more to work on my issues or that there’s any hope in my changing, and any change that I make is short lasting. 

    I know many of you may ask if this is worth it, and that I should just cut bait and hope for the best . . . but I really don’t (or can’t) see that as an option.  I would like to think that this is not what God had in plan for me or our marriage, and I don’t believe He would want me to leave. . .  . what I don’t know is what He would want me to do. . . .

  • i have ADHD now my wife has diagnosis bipolar & borderline by: life was fine b... 8 years 7 months ago

    so im erly 40 and was diagnosed 2 years ago with ADHD ive been with the wife 10 years and weve had ups and downs and 3 children in the last 3 years it seems we only argue and when we talk the other just dosent understand todayshe got her diagnosis bipolar typ 2 and borderline we cant talk but we need to this evenin i wrote a letter to her so she can read it without interupting what im saying im hoping she will wreit back we had so mutch in common and i know she feels alone but i am in a foren country with no suport exept for her myself i was hospitalized for stomach ulsers 2 weeks ago that wer caused from stress evory time we speek i just feel my stomach start to tie itself in knots i dont want to give up on her or my children but im realy at an end of my power i need help and advice the medical system here is usles no chance of having 1 doctor you can trust and talk to allways having to explain from the begining to someone new who says completly the oposit to the last doctor you met im confused and cant do this mutch longer i just wat to close my eyes and say thats it im done but my character wont let me i know inside sometimes you just have to let go but i dont know how.

    sorry about the wreiting its not my strong point 

  • United States, Ohio by: I'm So Exhausted 8 years 7 months ago

    I have been part of this forum for five  years and three months.  

    I am curious how far reaching does this forum forum go?  No addresses, no cities, please.  Anonymity is important.

    ADHD is still a fairly unspoken issue in my area.  It is very sad.  2016 and  our area is behind times.  I am met with denial of its existence, feeling others look at ADHD as a contagious disease, or something to which you should be ashamed.   Our state has only 2 chapters of CHADD - in Cincinnati and Columbus.  More than 5 hours away.  

    Sincerely,
    Liz

  • Lack of compliments and attention- nothing to do with us by: Anonymous (not verified) 8 years 7 months ago

    No anger here just making an observation. I can get dolled up and get so many compliments from everyone, even other men, married and single, yet my husband says nothing. BUT, he can tell another woman that their hair looks nice or he loves their dress. It's so interesting to observe.

    My husband is an artist. He started the hobby of pyrography and is excellent at it. Years ago, he took pictures of many of our female friends that are beautiful and made LARGE pieces of art work of them. I mean it took him months to finish them and they were creative not just a replica of the camera picture but he would have them in an African setting with elephants, or butterflies all around their head, or surrounded by stained glass, etc. Very intricate pieces of work. He even did a tasteful nude of one of our friends, her husband was in the portrait and then he did one of just the wife laying on a couch. So after a while I was upset since he never did one of me or even snapped a picture of me. I am not hard on the eyes I have been told by many. Well, he was displaying his art at an art show and one of our friends, the subject of one of the pieces, was there and it was one of the HUGE pieces of art. It was beautiful. He then gives me a small box, 8 1/2 x 11 and I open it. It's a replica of a picture of me, on our wedding day, in my gown. It was a head shot. I was so visibly disappointed. It was HIS fave pic of me, but so small and simple. There was no creativity and all he had to do was trace the picture onto wood. Nothing like his other creations. And he NEVER did anything else of me. Over the years, I have taken many pictures of myself since its now a selfie world and he has been so impressed with the shots that he says, WOW I HAVE TO BURN THAT, then never does. I feel like I am not any work of art to him. Yet he can see something or someone else and be inspired. Funny, our walls are littered with these works of art and people have asked where my portrait is. My piece is not even displayed. 

    Same thing with singing. I love to sing and many compliment me. Most say they didn't know I could sing since he overpowers me with his voice. He can sing but he is very forced and loud and has no real control of his voice. I am not professional but I can keep Karaoke night going. He found out I was going to Karaoke alone since the owner of the restaurant called me the Queen of Karaoke once and then he wanted to go also. He sang over people and me and I already knew that would happen which is why I started going alone. Many compliment him on his voice when in public and he sings over me. 

    Funny thing happened today. One of my best friends has a bipolar husband and he text me and sent me his latest you tube video (he plays guitar) and he mentioned that he would love to accompany me while I sing one day. I didn't acknowledge his YT video and said I would think about it. He proceeded to shower me with compliments on my singing. He gives his wife NO attention. I will have no part of that without letting my friend know first. It's a shame that spouses do this. They dote on other people and give nothing to their spouses. 

    I am older and wiser now and I know that the lack of attention and compliments is not about me. I get enough from other people and I also am very happy with my looks after 26 years of marriage seeing myself mature and take care of myself. Its just annoying to see that he CAN SEE other women and say "Wow, she is hot, she is beautiful, she  looks great" but not say a word to me. Once in a while maybe but not enough to recall what he said the last time. I have been dolled up for weddings and drop dead gorg and he looks at me like I am a wall. Yet I tell him all the time that he looks handsome and something he has on looks nice even though most days he wears an action hero tshirt and jeans and dresses like a child. 

    Very interesting observations. After having an emotional affair in 2013, I realize that I was aching for attention after all those years of not being seen. That man showered me with compliments and also had low esteem. I guess I made him feel good. That is over now and I am much stronger and don't need my husband's validation or approval to know what I am, who I am, that I am a special human and have good relationship skills and people love me. I feel for people who need that attention and have low esteem because it does hurt. I am only happy that I have learned that it's not about me. 

    As a wife, it would be nice to "be seen" especially when my husband can "see" other women and compliment them and even get close to women, comfort them, give them advice, give them pet names, he has a habit of taking women under his wing especially if they have children, since he wants to be Superman to these type of people. 

    The best thing that has come out of this 26 yr experience with him has been that I have grown up and matured so much. He has stayed behind and is somewhere in the 12-16 yr old mentaility. Yesterday I thought to myself that I never thought I would be the one to hold down a job, but he can't hold a job. I never thought I would leave for work and kiss him goodbye and leave him a to do list and tell him not to stay in bed all day. Then I looked in the mirror and thought: I never thought I would be THIS woman, strong, holding down a great job even though I dropped out of high school, liked by all (my husband has relationship issues) and able to hold the fort down, a good wife, friend and logical one. A woman that can take care of herself if my husband died. I have come a long way. I am proud of who I have become because of all the adjustments I have had to make due to my H's ADHD and other issues. I have survived it, been through a lot of crap, temper tantrums, his job losses every year, wondering how we would make it, illogical behavior and decisions. I am here. God, my family and friends have been my stronghold. 

    Don't let the behavior of your significant other make you feel like it's all your fault and that you are insignificant. It takes a strong person to deal with all this mess. If you are reading this...your are special. 

  • Both ADHD by: Justwannagiveup 8 years 7 months ago

    I'm not diagnosed but I'm 99% sure I'm ADD. Getting married and having kids(especially now that they are older) has only made my symptoms more apparent. My husband was diagnosed with ADHD in 2007. He has been taking Adderall ever since. I've blamed so many of our family problems on my spouse and my kids(thinking my son has ADHD..) trying to fix everyone. Anyway.. I'm constantly riddled with anxiety, my kids don't listen to me or my husband.. He's more authoritarian and I'm more permissive... Neither one of us are consistent with parenting.. I'm always blaming him and he's always blaming me.. Anyway you get the picture. I've begun taking Synaptol(homeopathic) and pharmaceutical grade omega 3, and B vitamins, Vit D, a few essential oils and I'm noticing a huge difference in the way I talk to my kids and my family. I am actually able to focus on what they are saying, allow myself to think before I speak, and am remembering stuff better! I also have Hashimoto's thyroiditis(which causes thyroid to become hyper and hypo back and forth), and hubby also has type  1 diabetes. Man aren't we a pair! I'm so glad to have figured out my own issues because now it's improving the dynamic of our whole household. My question is though, should I seek a formal diagnosis? The natural remedies are doing the trick so far.. I'm not opposed to drugs but would like to exhaust all other options first. Oh and to be clear, I am treating my hashis successfully so I don't think that is the cause of my add symptoms 

  • Alternative Treatments by: Moondust 8 years 8 months ago

    I've been going back and forth as to whether or not I should write about this. I was hoping others would have written on this forum from this course, so I wasn't the only one, but obviously ultimately decided I would share. I'm sure I'll get some heat as this is considered a controversial topic, but since it was brought up a few times during the course, maybe this will help someone since I consider DH a success story with alternative treatments.

    I am the non-ADHD spouse. When DH was diagnosed with ADHD, he decided, for various reasons, that he wanted to find alternative treatments first before moving to prescriptions. I supported this.

    The biggest key to doing this is that you cannot self treat. Simply reading an article online that says Vitamin B or Fish Oil (or whatever other supplement) helped someone with ADHD, and then going to the grocery store and buying those to take really isn't going to have any impact. You need to see a Naturopathic Doctor (ND) who has had some experience with ADHD. You will not find a ND who specializes in it, as there is not a high enough demand for that. NDs are real doctors, who can write actual prescriptions if needed, it's just their specialty was natural medicine in school. There are loads of options in the natural or alternative world that only a ND is going to know about and know how to use them properly. There are prescription supplements, too, that you can only obtain through NDs. Holistic Healers or Herbalists are not going to have the extensive knowledge a ND has, either.

    NDs are not typically covered by insurance, so you will be paying out of pocket. In our experience, you get what you pay for, though, and it is worth it. Our doc answers emails, actually encourages us to update her via email, and even offers phone "check-ins" to established patients all free of charge. She also consults multiple other doctors and specialists at no charge to us. It is usually around $100-200 per visit, depending on where you live. Lots of NDs will offer packages that give you X amount of visits at a discounted rate if you pre-pay. This really helps to save money. As a reference, DH can go several months without needing to see her, but in times where things need to be changed up, he sees her about once a month until things are back on track and then goes back to not needing to see her. If you don't live in a major city or near a ND, most NDs offer phone or telemedicine consults (secure skype basically). DH does the video appointments because he finds it easier to concentrate than being on the phone. His first appointment was in person, and the rest have been via phone or video. Typically, the first appointment is actually 2 appointments fairly close together. The actual first one will be you doing all the talking, to get a full health history, order tests (blood, urine, hair, or saliva are common tests for NDs to order), and be evaluated. (Our insurance covers most of the tests, but you will have to look into if your insurance will cover tests ordered by an out-of-network doctor). The second appointment will be the doctor explaining their recommendations and test results. From then on, the appointments will be like regular doctor visits, asking questions and getting immediate answers.

    In DH's experience, after just a few weeks of being on the supplements and doing dietary changes, we started noticing subtle changes in the most severe of his ADHD symptoms. As time went by, the effects trickled down to the more minor symptoms. After about 3 months, there was significant changes in every aspect of his ADHD symptoms. Don't expect things to happen this quickly, it may take 3 months to notice ANY change. DH remained stable for about a year. Then we decided to sell our house, which everyone knows is one of the most stressful things a person can go through. The stress of that made his symptoms worse. Instead of immediately going back to the ND, which he should have done, we both ignored it and tried to muscle through the stress, because we both just wanted to sell, move, and have it all over with. This was a HUGE mistake. The ADHD symptoms spiraled and he was back to where he was prior to being diagnosed. After we moved, he finally went back to the ND and had things switched up. It helped for a few months until he went through a very stressful work situation, and again he went backwards. This time he went to the ND much more quickly and was able to get back on track once again, and stay that way for many months.

    From what I have read, no matter if you are on regular prescriptions or what method of treatment you decide to use, you will have some ups and downs. In DH's case, every time he has changed things up, he has seen significant improvements quickly and they have lasted. The most frustrating thing for both of us is doctors, therapists, and the like, always tell us we have to be patient with prescriptions, because it takes a while to figure out what kind will work for you, and then what dose is the right for you. But they always downplay natural/alternative treatments because you don't see immediate results. DH just wanted the same consideration for the path he choose and has worked for him. We both feel strongly that everyone should choose what they feel is best for them, no matter if that is prescriptions, natural medicine, or some other option.

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  • Just Crushed by: mynameisstick 8 years 8 months ago

    Not sure where to start - I will have been married for 24 years this year and feel like my eyes have been opened and that my marriage has been a lie, nothing. I have poured everything I can into this and have nothing left - I am crushed and exhausted. 2 weeks ago he came home and said I think I have ADD - and after looking at the signs and googling he seems to tick virtually every box - I feel like the bottom has fallen out of my world.

    My husband has always worked for himself and we have a business that has kept our heads just above the parapet for 20 years but he has never been able to push himself enough to raise us up a little bit higher he has always been too busy with the "day to days" as he puts it to look at the bigger picture. He is now 54 and 5 years ago the business failed due to bad debts - we managed to reinvent ourselves and keep going but we are coming to the end of the lease and I cannot keep going any more. He has been on courses and has great ideas but then does nothing with them, I have nagged, encouraged, cajouled, and begged. I am broken inside because I cannot see why he would not fight for us, why he does not want to make things better. All he looks at is what other people are doing / have got and is bitter and angry.

    I have worked with him for the last 18 years while bringing up our children as well - I am looking at myself now and cannot believe that I always put myself second and did not see his lies and pretence for what they are. I found this site when I googled "is there hope in an ADD marriage" but at the moment I cannot see that there is. I cannot believe that I have just kept trying harder, blaming myself, working longer hours; I feel like I do everything and yet have nothing. Virtually no savings, no pension, a house with 10 years of mortgage left to pay and no idea of how to get out of this. I am not sure I can even stay married - to give away another 10 years of my life and end up in the same place. I always believed he was going to do the things that he said he would but I just don't believe in him anymore.

    I ordered "Delivered from Distraction" - he read the screening test - and has done nothing since - I am reading it now. He does not want to get a diagnosis and does not seem to want to get help - he certainly won't take medication. I have been making him go for a walk every morning and am trying to improve his diet but it all feels a bit pointless. Another 2 week diet / phase / idea that he will not commit to. When I ask what he wants to do - what his dream is - he does not know - he says he cannot see the future and just asks me what I want to do.

    Is there any hope? We are in the UK and I am struggling to find any UK support for adults or their partners.

    Sorry to dump on you virtual people - but I haven't managed to get my head round this enough to speak to my friends about what is actually going on in our marriage.

  • The Intentional Relationship and Mastering ADHD by: kellyj 8 years 8 months ago

    In learning how to do my job and becoming a goldsmith and diamond setter....I was fortunate to have a real Master of the craft as my instructor and teacher.  This gentleman who taught me  had already retired (70's at the time) and was bored and wanted to return to what he did best which was being a Master Craftsman in the field. He was born and raised in France and later in Morocco Northern Africa.  His real name was Francois Pickman (deceased) but translated... went by Frank instead.  However...he inherited an affectionate nickname which stuck and was the only name that anyone called him including himself....."Frenchie". Not so original but that's what was handed him? None the less. lol

    Anyway....by the time I hooked up with him....I had already been working on my skills for 5 years thinking I was pretty "shit hot" but that was soon to change after only one day under Frenchie's watchful eye. I should have know something was up when he taught me my first lesson that very day. He told me when he first came to the US from France after World War II,  that when he arrived in New York city, he proceeded to gain employment with Tiffany's ("the" Tiffany's).  It was either that or Cartier since he worked for both but couldn't remember which one came first?( his memory was already fading a little lol )

    As he told the story...he said it was his "first and last day" of working for this esteemed entity.(first clue lol )

    Without getting too detailed here.....he said they handed him a jewelry piece and asked him if he could do it properly?   He told them "yeah...sure...no problem"....to which,  he proceeded in destroying over 2 carats of diamonds and the entire piece was a loss. At the end of the day......he said they handed him a pay check and told he would not be needed in the future and thanked him for his efforts. This was my first lesson which had me feeling  nervous already. lol

    Time went by and he would give me jobs to do....and each time I thought I had done a pretty good job.....he would take out another piece just like it... and then proceeded to do it perfectly in a fraction of the time it took me to do it 1/2 as well. Then he'd hand that one to me and said.." here....now you do that."  This went on for months and he never accepted a single piece of mine, where before....all the work that I had done previously had not only been accepted but complimented many times instead? Like what the????? This was not only unnerving....but it caused my self confidence to plummet to the lowest level I had ever experienced (thinking my stuff was pretty good all along?)   This went on for about 4 months straight and considering my pay ( as being an apprentice) was based on completed work that passed his inspection. In other words....I had worked 4 months or sweat and toil for no money what so ever and only got criticism and "do it over again" as the only response.

    Finally...after going through this and the frustration I was experiencing (and building rapidly )....he called me over to his work bench and said "sit down....I want to tell you a story." He proceeded in telling me how, when he first started, his Master did the same thing with him but much, much worse.

    In his case....his Master gave him a very difficult project that required many of hours of time.   After each step on the process, his master would either approve of disapprove of the work and not until he did it perfectly, did his master let him move on to the next step of the process. After about a month of painstaking care and practice, did he finally complete the piece. Thinking he had done an extremely good job of following everything that his master had taught him to do....he felt he was ready for the final inspection and get the reward of accomplishment of doing a perfect job.  He said he took the piece over to his master and had him check over for his final inspection.   His master looked the piece over and said it  "looked good",  and then proceeded by setting the piece down on his anvil and pulled out a hammer and smashed the piece to oblivion right in front of him. He then turned to him and said "now, go do it again." As this was explained to me.....there are three reasons to do this to someone who is learning a craft like this.

    The first reason is to teach you not to get attached to the piece and focus on repeat-ability instead. Repeat-ability is the defining line between a "Master" and everyone else. Anyone can do a great job on a piece they are emotionally invested in one time (especially a newbie). Most people doing this kind of thing will want to feel that sense of accomplishment and the satisfaction of doing something right after spending so much time struggling and then finally getting it to perfection. This is an expectation that most people will look forward to which is the motivation to do it in the first place. (wax on....wax off)

    The second part of this also comes from the normal response from this....to go show off your handy work and get that approval from other people as well as friends, family or people you want that kind of praise and validation from.

    The third reason however....is the most important one. While the first reason teaches you humility by destroying your ego.....the third reason is about learning how to do "Art with Intention." What it means to be a Master in this field of en-devour.....you should be able to think it....and then go make it happen exactly as you see it in your minds eye every time without exception. This includes executing it to perfection without making a single mistake.

    The end results will always be exactly as you saw it ....every time.....exactly the same. (repeat-ability)  The reason this is so important,  is when you come face to face with a customer who hires you to design and make a piece for them. If you come up with a design (before it's made) and the customers see's your renderings from the ideas you come up with...one would assume, from a customers point of view....that they will get exactly what you told them especially when spending thousands of dollars as payment to you for doing it for them. 

    In that respect.....coming up with a rough idea or design in your head is easy.  Anyone can do this even without the skills to make it.(coming up with the idea)   Under those conditions....if you make the piece and it's not exactly the way you intended....you can always say that's how you intended it and cover up any mistakes by saying it was a "design feature". A clever rationalization to cover for your own mis-intention.  Plus....if you aren't making things to spec ie: from a blue print or drawing....there is nothing to compare it, but if you aren't working from a plan or blue print and this happens,  you can always put it up for sale and wait for the right person to come along who likes it well enough to buy it some time later down the road. 

    But if you doing "Art with Intention"....there can be no mistakes if it is to turn out exactly the way you want it with no variations what so ever.  No mistakes, no deviations, no errors what so ever....every time. Time after time....without ever failing. That is the sign that you have arrived and you are a Master. The end result means the customer gets exactly what is promised each time with the hope,  that if and when  they return,  they will  get another piece you've created for them exactly as you did it before....each and every time.

    The person who can do this....will get the reward and satisfaction of having a loyal following of people that will go out of their way to tell others, what a great job you did and how happy they.  And in turn, will bring with them more customers, more money for you and the security that this will bring you both in income and having a job the next year and each year following.

    So by smashing Frenchies first hard earned project in front of his face....his Master destroyed not only the piece( along with his ego )....but also, any chance that the things he was wanting would ever materialize until he reached that level of perfection and only when he reached it and not before. This simple act of smashing his piece....set into motion the wheels of learning how to work with intention and then following through with your promise every time you went to work in an on going basis....day in day out all day long everyday without fail to perfection.

    This is what a Master is by definition in the world of creating Art for a living. It's why there are so few "real" Masters of anything out there because of all the time, hard work and dedication it takes to achieve this status which requires a life time of practice an effort to ever achieve it.   It's also why I was so lucky to have the opportunity to have someone like this teach me the same skills especially having ADHD. I never reached the point where I could do what Frenchie did.... but almost in respect to the fact that I can do some these things that well but still not everything. As far as a true Master is concerned....you have to prove you can do everything, all the time perfectly....and never make a mistake exactly as you said it would be. Giving myself some credit here....Frenchie first started making jewelry when he only 12 years old.

    Not many people (especially in the US ) ever start doing anything like this at that age including me, but the important thing I took away form this experience, is that it's not about ever making it to perfection or becoming a Master at anything.  What's more important is the journey..... and less about the goal.

    J

  • ADHD Wife has not talked in 2 months...Part 2 by: NonADHD 8 years 8 months ago

    Delphine & J,

    I'm going t work on remaining silent fr a while when we are together and see f this helps. I feel my wife is full of anxiety and frustration  and her emotions are at a peak. I see now that when this happens escalation is extremely high. Thus, the walking on eggshells, this is my warning to remain still and silent. 

    J- when you're feeling emotional and near anger, can you talk it down or do you need an outlet to let it out? 

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