Just need to vent, caveat, I love my spouse very much and would kill the devil for her but she has a tendency to drive me insane sometimes. I am the one with ADHD, and I understand how difficult it is to live with someone with ADHD, I am not an easy person to live with all the time and I tell her this, and thank her for all she does for me, but I forget something after n number of reminders, all hell breaks loose. Often she treats me as if I am her cross, and then wonders why I have trouble accepting my disorder some times, while simultaneously, she is doing nothing about what we need done besides reminding me. I have seven bank accounts to look after, travel for work, manage all the household finances, and travel for a very high stress job in emergency management, so I forget to send cousing Aaron a card sometimes, shoot me. I cant help it, I am not a burden, I uplift this house and I am good man. I do listen to her, and it pains me when she doesn't feel acknowledged because I cant remember what she asked. I carry an army of notebooks and use them, use apps etc... timers, take buproprion, exercise, etc etc... give me some grace. She has dyscalculia, so on top of it, she forgets how much money we have, overspends, and gets angry at me when I wasnt on top of it, she didnt even tell me what was happening. She never tells me when she is going to go do something, or how much it will cost, then I get surprised, because I sure as hell couldn't remember, I am not your cross or your project. I am a human, and your husband, I love you and I am doing my best. You are lucky to have me.
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- I'm not a burden by: Zanzibar1638 9 years 1 month ago
- Emotional Lability and Communicating by: kellyj 9 years 1 month ago
I ran across an article of this topic which is one I am still learning more about. The one thing that I do know for sure is that this is one of those things that is hard not to notice sometimes especially with anger. That seems to be the problematic one that everyone can see including us (ADHD'ers) when that happens. But as I have now come to understand better....this is directly related to executive functioning and the ability to control your emotions. As it is stated very well in this article...the emotional responses may be appropriate to the situation....but the response or how they are expressed or come out are bigger, louder and longer than what would be considered normal.
So it seems.....it's not only anger we're talking about....it's all strong emotions and even weaker less noticeable ones. Less noticeable for you that is if you don't have this. We notice them for sure even if you aren't aware of them in a more self aware mindful way meaning......a lot of our (my) behavior is geared towards dealing with this and this is learned over your entire lifetime with ADHD. Without realizing it and not knowing anything different.....how we learn to manage this and how other people react to us will definitely become a pattern of behavior that is specifically designed in dealing with this phenomenon to the point....that it is part of our personality as much as the rest of things that come into play. Again.....this was really telling.
I know I made a post a while ago stating that we (ADHD'ers) are use to being this way. It's all we know. Everyone else however.....not so much! lol This really is where we have trouble seeing ourselves compared to others sometimes and why other people are left scratching their heads going......what the...huh???????
When I read this I went....wait a minute. This was me when I was a kid growing up but I learned how to dampen it down after enough criticism and embarrassment with enough time and practice. It occurred to me in context to this article for professionals to use with patients having suffered a brain injury....that they are talking about a person who went from not being this way and all of a sudden...finding themselves in the same boat with people with ADHD. The big difference is that we have been this way all of our lives and have had a lot of time and practice in getting use to it and adjusting to it even though....it's still there and we still run into the same problems just less often and in more extreme situations when we have more difficulty controlling it.
I went....mmmmmmm. Fascinating? In context to this article and explaining it in terms of a head injury out of the blue and this being the follow up to those in this situation....as read through the suggestions for others to follow and the reasons why...........
I went (again).....wait a minute? I learned to do this on my own a long time ago but it is the exact same things I do already to the letter under the same exact circumstances.
And again.....I do this and don't expect other people to do this for me because when I don't.....I'm back to square one when I was a kid and I know that one all too well!! lol
Anyway...for what it is worth. This really is what it is like having ADHD from the inside looking out and vise versa. I thought this would be useful for others to use for the same reason....to simply understand what the hell is going on sometimes with us! lol
Understanding Emotional Lability
Acquired brain injury can change parts of the brain that regulate or control emotional behaviour and feelings.What is emotional lability? Emotional lability refers to rapid, often exaggerated changes in mood, where strong emotions or feelings (uncontrollable laughing or crying, or heightened irritability or temper) occur. These very strong emotions are sometimes expressed in a way that is not related to the person’s emotional state.
What causes emotional lability?
Emotional lability occurs because of damage to parts of the brain that control:Awareness of emotions (ours and others)
Ability to control how emotions are expressed – so ability to inhibit or stop emotions coming out. When a person is emotionally labile emotions can be out of proportion to the situation or environment the person is in. For example, a person may cry, even when they are not unhappy – they may cry just in response to strong emotions or feelings, or it may happen “out of the blue” without warning. A person may have little control over the expression of these strong emotions, and they may not be connected to any specific event orperson.Following brain injury an individual may also lose emotional awareness and sensitivity to their own and other’s emotions, and therefore their capacity to control their emotional behaviour may also be reduced. They may overreact to people or events around them – conversations about particular topics, sad or funny movies or stories.Weaker emotional control and lower frustration tolerance, particularly with fatigue and stress can also result in more extreme changes in emotional responses. The person may express their emotions in situations where previously they would have been able to been restrained or in control (in quiet situations, in church, listening to a concert).
These behaviours can be confusing, embarrassing, and difficult to understand for the person with brain injury and for others.
Emotional responses after an injury.
Emotional reactions may be appropriate in the situation, but the behaviour or expression maybe stronger, louder or last longer than would be usual for that person.
side note: I can't tell you how many times someone has asked me if I was really upset or angry about something. It was simply because the volume level of my voice goes up at times even when it's not a big deal or I am feeling even remotely upset at something. Maybe only slightly annoyed or irritated.... but simply because the volume goes up is why people ask me about this or are confused? And in turn.....I'm even more confused why they ask me in the first place? More like...."No?....Why?....are YOU really upset about something? I figured you'd have to be or you wouldn't be asking me? " I'm sooooo confused! lol
For example, a person may be genuinely happy, but once the laughter has started they may be unable to stop or regulate the behaviour, laughing too loud, too much, or for too long. After brain injury an individual may also show extreme but genuine emotional responses,including sadness and grief, despair, frustration and irritability, anger, anxiety and depression,and even joy, happiness, and pleasure. These may be appropriate and normal emotional responses but more out of scale.
Coping with Emotional Lability
Become aware of triggers. Be aware of triggers for emotional lability and try to avoid these when you can. Triggers can include:
excessive fatigue or tiredness
stress, worry or anxiety
high stimulation (too demanding, too noisy, too many people) – too much pressure
strong emotions or demands from others
very sad or funny situation (such as jokes, movies, certain stories or books)
discussing certain topics e.g. driving, loss of job, relationships, death of a family member
speaking on the telephone or in front of a group or where a person feels under pressure
Have a BreakHave a short break away from the situation so the person can regain control of emotions, and to give the opportunity for emotions to settle.
Sometimes a break of a few minutes or a longer period is enough to regain control of emotions –taking a short walk, doing a different activity all can help to cope with these strong emotions.
Ignore the behaviour.Try to ignore the emotional lability as much as is possible.
Try to get others to ignore it too and continue on with the conversation or task.Focussing on the lability or giving the person too much attention when it is happening can reinforce and increase the problem. It is important that other people don’t laugh too, as this will also reinforce and increase the behaviour.
Change the topic or task Changing the topic or activity (redirection and distraction) can reduce stimulation or stress (particularly if the topic was a trigger).
Try to distract or divert the person’s attention by engaging them in a different activity or task.Provide information and education. Uncontrolled crying or laughing can be upsetting,frightening or confusing for other people if they don’t understand.
Provide simple explanations or information to other people about the lability, for example, “I cry a lot since I had my stroke ...don’t worry about it” or “Sometimes when Iam nervous I get the giggles”.
Tell people what they should do, for example “Just ignore me and it will stop”
Plan ahead
When there is severe emotional lability, one-to-one, brief and fun activities in a quiet environment will be better.Try to avoid putting the person in stressful situations or environments e.g. noisy, busy,high levels of activity or that are too demanding.Plan activities that are within the person’s ability.
Plan more demanding activities or appointments after rests, or when the person has the most energy.
Plan for rests between activities.
Use cognitive techniques
Some simple cognitive strategies can also assist in managing emotional lability:
Relaxation and breathing exercises to reduce tension and stress
Using distractions – thinking of something else, imagining a peaceful image or picture, counting
Doing an activity (going for a walk)Cognitive and behavioural strategies such as thought stopping could be discussed with a Psychologist.Counselling and support.
Sometimes a person has had many losses and changes to cope with after the brain injury – loss of work, ability to drive, independence, changes in relationships or finances, changes in the quality of their life.
All these changes happen quite suddenly with little chance to prepare or get ready.
These feelings of sadness, grief, anger,frustration, disappointment, jealousy, or depression after an injury are common and maybe very difficult to cope with.
If there are other emotional adjustment and coping issues, referral to a counsellor such as a Psychologist, Social Worker or Psychiatrist maybe helpful. Families (parents, siblings, children),friends or carers may also benefit from support and care to help them understand and to cope with these changes
- Pompous and arrogant or just confident? by: Anonymous (not verified) 9 years 1 month ago
Pompous and arrogant or just confident? So months ago I saw that one of my fave singers would be in town. I splurged on tickets and invited my husband since, after all, we are married. I would have loved to take my girlfriend or sister. I wondered what the "date" would be like, if he would be irritable and ruin it all. Well, the day came, yesterday and I had all planned, printed out directions and picked a great place to eat. First thing he asked is how do we get there. He got irritable when I had directions he was unfamiliar with. I thought, here it goes. So after flailing him arms a few seconds, and seeing that I was firm with him he said ,"fine, whatever". I then shut down, breathe and play music in my head to drown out my wanting to jump out of the car. :) Then he warms up again. Then he got in the wrong lane and was upset that no one would let him back in the right lane and starts snapping his teeth and waving arms around again. It is at this point that I always ask myself WHY I AM SO NICE and once again try this date night thing. I don't know, I just want what others have, maybe? So I keep saying that I really did this for me...after all, I just love Josh Groban! So we get to the restaurant and I post some pics of my food and where we are and he gets a call from his boss "what are you doing" and H looks at me serious, points at my face and says, "YOU HAVE GOT TO STOP POSTING ON FACEBOOK!" I stared him down and deleted HIM from the posting. Wish granted. He apologized and said he felt stalked. He asked if I as mad. I told him that I did just what he wanted. That won't happen again. So much for trying to be a normal couple that does things and sharing with friends. Here is the worst part: We get to the theatre and sat at top of the balcony area. Some people were already there. I joked about how I didn't realize these were nosebleed seats but at least we can still afford our rent. Everyone chuckled and he says, "This is where the cool people sit and just for sitting here..." He breaks out his business card (he is a DJ) and starts giving them out and he says, "You are sitting with a star!" OMG. I hear, "Oh you are a dj". I stayed quiet and stared straight ahead. Does everything have to be about him and his amazingness? This is a date night, right? He also broke out his phone and starts playing a video game. I would love a cultured man, one who was humble and didn't need to pat himself on the back every moment he gets. Time and place for everything. He interrupted a couples romantic breakfast to give them his card since he saw her engagement ring. He also gave it to a waitress years ago and said, "This is who I am." She said, "And who exactly are you?" How about start with saying your name not your title of "the best DJ in the universe?" Such a turn off. Then he held my hand briefly during the concert but its hard to be romantic with behavior like that. I can't fake it. He is a turn off. So, is this charm, conceit, confidence, obnoxious, pompous? He would say he is taking opportunity to make us money but why call yourself a star? Why bring undue attention to yourself? Very ugly. I just breathed deep, said its not a reflection on me and enjoyed the concert so much! I was in heaven and the music filled up my heart so much and took me away to another place for 2 hrs. Would love to be able to enjoy it because I was with him. I would say, this is the last time I do this but that is not me. However, I will do more with my friends like vacation, beach, movies etc. Husband works most evenings so I will go out at those times. He is Djing a wedding where the groom is Irish and I heard from my friends that my H, the DJ is wearing a kilt ALSO. Why??? And he wants to sing to them too. Our friends will say "of course he is wearing a kilt" they will understand and I will sit there breathing deeply knowing that is all about him and not me. Mind you, HE has not told me he is wearing a kilt. Even if he did, the answer is "do what you want." Patience and endurance...patience and endurance.
- Overcoming denial by: Wifelife88 9 years 1 month ago
An amazing thing happened over dinner a couple of nights ago. J Jamieson had been talking recently about denial - and how tricky or impossible it is to get into some topics when denial is at play. He had suggested going through the back door so that the denial is not openly confronted - allowing your partner to feel safe and not attacked. I couldn't tangibly get the concept but it has stuck in my mind. So back to dinner. We were having a lovely dinner and then out of no where my H launched into the usual 'victim' attack about everything that is wrong and how poorly he has been treated all his life. Something must have triggered it but he had gone into the red zone and I couldn't reach him. At that time all you can think of is 'damn - here we are back to stage 1'. We went back to our room and J Jamieson's advice about coming in the back door or doing something totally different to what you have tried before came to mind. Normally I would either get angry, or withdraw.
So instead I showed love. I gave him a hug, said that i loved him, and said I was going to lay on our bed and read my book, and when he was ready I would appreciate it if he joined me and gave me a cuddle. Absolutely amazing outcome. His anger went, he actually apologised, and that blip on the radar hasn't spoiled our week. Showing love allowed him to recover with dignity and respect for both us.
- 'Codependent No More' by Melodie Beatty by: Wifelife88 9 years 1 month ago
Wow - this book was suggested by Melissa Orlov last week in a forum post. Wow, wow, wow! Lightbulb moment! A must read for those on this forum.
My husband and I had almost reached the end - well in fact I had reached the end, but he was hoping we weren't there. He couldn't move forward - only focussed on rehashing the past. He really wanted us to get away for a week and see if we could reconnect. So I booked a last minute flight to sunshine and warmth. On the plane we discussed that we really needed to do was give it our all, and let those big walls down. One last chance. I downloaded this book at the airport and started reading it on the plane. My H started reading over my shoulder. It has given us some tools to work on, and given us some direction.
Co-dependency traits - highly emotional, argumentative, defensive, blaming, being blamed, poor boundaries, dysfunctional communication, pleasing other but not yourself, caretaking, giving advice - sounds like many on this forum. All of us! We all seem to think we know what's wrong with our partner and what's need to 'fix' them - and that is leading us all no where.
Think of how peaceful it would be to:
- Take responsibility for our own emotions, our own feelings - not our partners
- Stop rescuing our partner
- Stop allowing someone elses business to spoil your day or your life
The more we try to force something on our partner, the more they try to hang onto what ever you are trying to change. We have been working through chapters each day. There is also a daily meditation, or thought of the day book as well that is a great discussion point, and not too heavy. We are on the road back. We are writing some relationship goals for when we head home. Another key thing is boundaries and being clear to each other what are some of the boundaries that we need to set in order to stop falling back into the old habits. It seems it's not the ADHD that is the issue but our co-dependency that allows it to take over our lives.
We have finally turned the corner and are our way back - hooray!
- Thoughts about anger by: I'm So Exhausted 9 years 1 month ago
Not too very long ago, I tried to express to my spouse why I changed my behavior. Most changes surround new boundaries put in place to keep my distance from behaviors directed at me that I will no longer accept.
Two things came to light that really surprised me.
I cannot speak verbatim, but I can share as I remember our conversation - but only from Liz's end. I was talking about my actions over the years of being a People Pleaser. How Liz took responsibility for everything that was wrong in our relationship. How Liz made part of her life's work the job of keeping her spouse happy, which included giving in too much, and letting go of my hopes and dreams. My learned response to anyone else's displeasure towards me was: "Oh, oh; they are mad/angry/disappointed in me. I must be screwing up." I developed a pattern of responsive behavior to an angry look, a raised voice, an out-n-out accusation - I shut down my voice; smoothed the water; kept others happy. That behavior worked to keep the peace, but NOT to address the issues.
#1 - my spouse saying that I accused him of being a monster. No matter how I racked my brain, I couldn't find that accusation. I don't call names. I have made a life choice of No Character Assassination - Not Ever. I raised my children with that important guideline for our home. It seems a conversation happened where I was explaining how I had always changed MY behavior in a misguided attempt to control HIS behavior - and since my action created this monster, my actions had to disassemble it.
As a result, I can see how he interpreted my words. I meant a "Monster of a situation". I apologized for that - now he has to choose to hold on to that misinterpretation to justify his anger at me, or he can choose to try to figure out how the voices of his past had filtered Liz's words into something they were not meant to be.
This gal had lots of warts and hang-ups and problems. This gal also worked damned hard, for a really long time, to get to a place of feeling comfortable and - Taa Daa - most times quite wonderful inside my own skin.
#2 came to light during a conversation surrounding parent/child dynamics. I fully realize how my own Mothering behaviors towards my spouse had a negative impact on our marriage. I also started to understand how those same parenting dynamics happened in reverse - from my spouse towards me. I understand the value of his rescuing me when I first met him. Unfortunately, that dynamic of relating to each other has not been able to change. I DO NOT want to be rescued any more. I do not NEED to be rescued any more. I do not want a father, I want a man with whom I can share my life. My spouse was sharing with me how angry he was that I had "Defied his wishes. . . . . . ." My response was, "You are not my dad, you are my husband. We are adults and we need to compromise. You did not want to share our RV, and I did. Your 'wishes' were not the final say in the conversation." My spouse's responses were surrounding the fact that he did not drink and on and on bringing up some poor choices MY Dad had made when I was a child. So there it was - I meant DAD in the figurative form of the word, NOT specifically MY Dad. My spouse also had been getting that same image when I would say "I am NOT your Mother." Wow! I never meant HIS Mom, just the Mother Dynamic:
"a parent-child marriage is defined by the inequality of the partners. In order for a relationship to thrive, partners must be just that - partners! Both must work at sharing equally in the burdens and success of the relationship. Typically both spouses must change to be respectful, supportive, and flexible in their relationship with one another. Neither is a "parent" or "child" to the other. Instead both are adults."
So, Liz can see this. I can only hope my spouse will choose to see it.
I do NOT like feeling controlled.
Oh, folks, I am not perfect. I still mess up. I try my best. I recently had a conversation with my adult daughter. She mentioned her disapproval at some behavior she witnessed when I walked away from a conversation with my spouse when it started to turn ugly. She said, "Mom if that was me when I was growing up, I would have had to write a long essay." And there it is - the big difference. A parent is supposed to train up a child, and let them know when their behavior is not respectful of an adult. There is a big difference between maybe saying "Shove it up your bum" and walking away, versus saying, "I refuse to participate in a conversation where I do not feel respected."
It gets VERY hard to express my own actions, NOT be accusatory towards her Daddy, hear her, yet not allow the conversation to get to' Daddy is right, Mommy is wrong, and Mommy needs to change her behavior to keep Daddy happy.' Because, sadly, that is what I modeled for her when she was growing up. What I can do today is take responsibility for my own actions, and now that I know better, I do better.
Liz
- Victim Mentality....the Real Enemy, Not ADHD by: kellyj 9 years 1 month ago
I've done a little research about this topic and revisited it again wondering what the differences are to victim mentality and Narcissism or the like in disorders. It does appear that there is an overlapp in some ways but a true Narcissist it seems will use victim mentality as a tool or weapon in their arsonal to use as needed just to get his/her needs met. In reality.....it's a distorted version of victim mentality so you can say that you can have one without the other but.... you can have Narcissism without victim mentality if that makes sense.
But with that in mind.....you can have just victim mentality across the board and not be Narcissism and here is where I think most of the problems with ADHD begin and end in my mind. There's a difference between being a victim of something and just plain victim mentality and I think these two things get easily confused and mixed together. To be a victim of something does not require or imply that you suffer from victim mentality and that's where this difference becomes a problem for everyone else. From everhting that I have read here on this forum and within the stories that people come here to tell.....I see and hear victim mentality at the core of these conflicts whether it be for the person who suffers from it, or the people they are with.
I know there have been times in my past where I suffered from this kind of thinking although not chronic in how I saw myself or behaved in general. What I discovered was that this only came about when I did something that went against myself in some way and usually it had to do with being a "fixer. " Being a "fixer" is not being a "rescuer" or necessarily a poeple "pleaser" but it does share one thing in common. It is done on some level for your own self interest or to get something out of it.
Interesting to note here.....I became a "fixer" to avoid something bad happening to me on my end. In my childhood....by fixing the problem before it happened....I avoided the fall out from it if I could find a way to make that happen. This of course came from an abusive home envirionment. Kids should not have to do things like this to avoid the kind of retaliation or abuse from a problem there own parents have which they did nothing to create. Having said that.....becoming good at predicting trouble before it happened and running interference became a skill that I aquired along the way. I got really good at it!!
In the literal sense of the word.....I was a victim of this kind of abuse but .....I became proactive enough to do something about it at the same time. This was a good a it gets as a child in not developing victim mentality since I gained some control of my own environment that succeeded in getting some relieve. That in itself was all it took to prevent this kind of thinking from taking over but....not to say that this didn't have some unforseen consequences later in life despite this skill having some good positive sides as well.
For someone with ADHD....I think we are predisposed to becoming victims in the first place but as I just metioned....that is no guarentee that it will turn into full blown chronic victim mentalty, victims position for the rest of your life as this did not happen with me. From what it appears like however.....victim mentality is not confined just to ADHD, Narcissism or any other disorder you would like to include along with it. It seems that this kind of thinking is pretty indescrimanent in scope and does not play favorites between race, creed or gender.
I really believe at this point that if you were to step back and look at victim mentality alone and take a closer look here.....you would see where most of the problems you face are coming from.
Here's an excerpt I found from Dr Judith Orloff about being in a relationship with a victim. Down in there you will run across the reason why I have had many of my own issues with dealing with or getting caught up in relationships with victims in my past. Being a pleaser or a fixer are two possible compliments to a victim mentality and why we get involved with someone like this in the first place.
Speaking for myself here.....I was still getting something out of it to stay with someone who was like this. As I now have found that this was a maladaptive strategy that served me once when I had no other options..... but it does not keep serving me to be that way now having other options instead. My victim mentality came from not knowing how to do this (or avoid it in the first place by not volunteering for it so I could keep being a fixer).....when I found myself in the same situation where I was before......either with a victim or a Narcissist....and having to try and head them off at the pass before they would do something that would cause me trouble on my end.
Being good at something is only good when it's appropriate. When it's not and you keep doing it anyway is on your end, not the other persons reguardess. This is what I have discovered and why that is. It only makes you a victim to it where you were not before when you do this.
Strategies to Deal with a Victim Mentality
Learn if You're in a Relationship with Someone Who is a Victim Judith Orloff M.D.
As a psychiatrist I teach my patients the importance of learning how to deal effectively with draining people. In my new book, I discuss one of these types which I call “The Victim Mentality.”
The victim grates on you with a poor-me attitude, and is allergic to taking responsibility for their actions. People are always against them, the reason for their unhappiness. They portray themselves as unfortunates who demand rescuing, and they will make you into their therapist. As a friend, you want to help, but you become overwhelmed by their endless tales of woe: A boyfriend stormed out…again; a mother doesn’t understand; a diva-boss was ungrateful. When you suggest how to put an end to the pity party, they’ll say, “Yes…but,” then launch into more unsolvable gripes. These vampires may be so clingy they stick to you like flypaper.
Take the AM I IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH A “VICTIM” Quiz
If you typically get drawn into fixing other people’s problems, chances are, you’ve attracted numerous victims into your life. To identify if you are in relationship with a victim mark Yes or No to the following characteristics:
Is there anyone in your life who often appears inconsolably oppressed or depressed? Yes/No
Are you burned out by their neediness? Yes/No
Do these people always blame “bad luck” or the unfairness of others for their problems? Yes/No
Do you screen your calls or say you’re busy in order to dodge their litany of complaints? Yes/No
Does their unrelenting negativity compromise your positive attitude? Yes/NoGive each “Yes” response one point and count your score. If your score is three or more then you are probably in relationship with at victim. Interacting with this type of person can cause you to be irritated or drained and will make you want to avoid them.
Strategies to Deal with a Victim Mentality from Emotional Freedom (link is external):
Set Limits with an Iron Hand and a Velvet Glove
I love what Mahatma Gandhi says: “A 'No' uttered from deepest conviction is better and greater than a 'Yes' merely uttered to please, or, what is worse, to avoid trouble.” Kind but firm limit setting is healthy. People must take responsibility for their own lives. You’re not in the business of fixing anyone. Enabling always backfires. Without limits, a relationship isn’t on equal ground; and no one wins. You might well feel, “I’m sick and tired of your complaints.” But instead, using a more measured tone, here’s how to address some common situations.
Use these methods to deter victims
With a friend or relative
Smile and say kindly, “Our relationship is important to me, but it’s not helpful to keep feeling sorry for yourself. I can only listen for five minutes unless you’re ready to discuss solutions.” Get ready to be guilt-tripped. If the victim, irate, comes back with, “What kind of friend are you?” don’t succumb to that ploy. Just reply, “I’m a great friend and I love you, but this is all I can offer.”
- Brotherly love instead of romantic love... by: Anonymous (not verified) 9 years 1 month ago
This is what I am struggling with now. It's sad and it's something I can't control. It is a reaction to his lack of effort. Good guy, big heart but does not emotionally fill my needs and it seems that he doesn't have any emotional needs for ME to fill which makes me realize that all these years, I have worked so hard for something that wasn't going to make a dent anyway. He is a robot, sorta speak. He has physical needs though, and I still have to fulfill those. He pays attention when he needs that but the feeling isn't one of romance just one of duty. This was coming down the pike. In 2007 I told him he was losing me and every year of our marriage I told him I felt lost and lonely. So I have grown up now, learned to accept, fill my void with friends and things I love to do but the feeling is one of compassion, being faithful, and loving since he has been a part of my family 25 years. How can I be in love with someone who chooses tv, IPAD games and his laptop at 11:45 PM and I sleep alone and then at 2:45 AM comes to bed and wants to pay me attention...only because he wants something? He is not evil and I don't hate him. I just don't feel like I couldn't live without him. The day has come when I have to figure out how to live with a friend and brother when I really only wanted a husband and a normal marriage. The butterflies are gone and the rush to get home to be together is slowed to a crawl. I no longer take days off to be together because its stressful and we don't do vacations because it's not romantic and he is hyperfocused on his gadgets and makes driving with him irritating and makes me anxious. He is always negative and stressed. It's just not who I am. 25 years and I am finally allowing myself to emerge and not trying to fix anything in him anymore but the result is still the same. He can be so neglectful and yet untouched emotionally. I am the only one suffering since I am wired correctly. Yes, all I can do is take care of me, fill the void. My God, this is hard. While I sleep alone and fill my void, I know that some other guy somewhere if lonely too and would love to be my husband. My husband loves to say "I love you" and I believe him, but love is not enough for me. I am not leaving physically but everyday since 1990, I have been slowly leaving emotionally. He has seen it and says that he IS making effort but that is only the effort HE wants to put in and to me its imaginary. He feels that telling me he loves me is effort. I stay so he doesn't break apart. I feel like I am taped together with Duct Tape because I have been so strong all these years. I am grateful to be resilient. Anyone else feel like they love their mate like a brother/sister?
- ADHD? I've never had someone think so little of me, yet says he loves me sooo much by: Tdendeh 9 years 1 month ago
I'm tired. My husband joked a few years back that he might have ADHD. Reading these posts, Has me thinking it might be true. He always has to be the 'victim'. Me asking him to do something, oh let's say, like watch how much he drinks so he won't fall, just turns into an argument. He's full of excuses! He always turns the argument around to make me the focus. He adds multiple topics and we never get anything resolved. He's said multiple times to me 'I thought I told you'. His latest...he said I said to him on Satuday, 2 different times that 'I don't give a F about him'. I asked him if he really believed that, then why would he stay with me??? I asked him why am I still here, if that's how I really feel??? After the argument, I left him and home and went to the club. He showed up at the club. We talked outside. He asked me if I was done with him. I told him no, that I'm done with arguing with him and that I still love him. So, how could he hear what he heard??? lol! I explained if I really said that, I wouldn't have gone home that night and I still wouldn't be here. I told him that it hurts my feelings that he thinks so little of me. That people who don't know me as well, think more highly of me than him. We've been married for 7 years and they have all been like this. I used to yell at him, then I realized I needed to keep calm. Now I comprehend a lot of things about him that I couldn't grasp before. I only yell at him when he keeps bringing up the same thing or multiple subjects or keeps talking to me when I've asked him nicely to stop talking to me. I keep saying we need counseling, but reading these posts have me thinking that those sessions will be a waste of time, if he thinks it's not him. Options???
- Wife w/ adhd. empty hopelessness...avoidance? by: newleaves 9 years 1 month ago Hi all, I've been married to my wife (with adhd) for 10 years. Things went downhill after a year or so, and became chaotic hell when we had our son. Her pills would be left on the carpet with the baby crawling around, and several neglectful other things that made me question her and my own sanity. We'd fight viciously. A few improvements have been made since then in our relationship (picking battles more wisely, incorporating recreation activities, respecting space more, knowledge of adhd's role) but we're far from where we could be. Here's where we are now in a nutshell. (I hope this msy help someone) I realized a few years ago that I was miserable and depressed. From an outsider view, I may have had the adhd symptoms. I couldn't focus at work, had low performance, even lower self esteem, and lost 2 jobs back to back. A social worker I was seeing said I had 'moderate depression' though if I divulged everything I was thinking at the time it probably would've been more serious. I'm a guy, right? I should be able to handle my own sh*t. I'm the husband - I should be the rock in the relationship, and be strong enough to keep it all together. But I wasn't - I was parenting my son and wufe who was enabling him and contradicting me. I hated my wife, and I hated the fact that I hated her even more. Why should it be this way? Why do these insane arguments pop up a million times? Why is she so careless? How have I become this angry monster? Why can't we get along? It was around this time that we realized she had adhd - and the lightbulb flickered. This was the biggest turning point ever in our relationship. It was finally a beacon of light to guide us through and help make sense of things. My wife was no longer a careless, lazy, heartless neglectful mother and wife. She was a girl with a condition that produces predictable results and who undoubtedly suffers from it too. I began to understand her more. For the first time in many years, I began to really care for her and it did wonders for our suddenly evolving and changing relationship. I also set boundaries - though instead of talking down to her when she crossed them I'd calmly let her know it's not ok. We were making progress, approaching things from new angles, experimenting, and able to make it through a few days without fighting. I began to see how I was equally at fault for our poor relationship and how my own inflexible, stubborn intolerance had wreaked havoc on us just as much as ADHD. This was a year ago. With this new understanding and light, I found alot of my confidence and zest for life again. I found my career passion, and began running full throttle with it. We never really stuck with the new strategies for having a healthy & happier relationship - we only recognized the problem and began trying things. I then ran full speed ahead with my new promising career and sort of put homelife on the backburner. I was building a future for my family while at the same time pursuing a field that was both fulfilling and wonderful, and felt right. I was exercising and making myself happy & healthy for the first time in years, and though we didn't fight as much - we also communicated little. I've now been on a vacation of sorts, and have come to realize that as far as our relationship goes - it's been frozen in time. Nothing much has changed with how we communicate, handle disputes, compromise, and function at home from a year ago. If anything, those initial helpful tools have disappeared from lack of use. I was constantly absorbed in work so no real progress was made. As I stay home on a break - my temper flares again and resentment begins to build. She still does and says things that drive me insane, and I don't know how to creatively handle it anymore. Once again, I'm realizing we need help. We're going to set an appointment for a counselor this coming week. Throwing myself into this career has made me happier than I've been in a decade. My relationship with my son is better because of it. But there's still my marriage - which is more of a room mate situation now. We do nice things for eachother - I bring her flowers at work and buy her presents, she buys me knickknacks related to my career and hugs me a lot. We go out to dinner together and see movies. But our communication and relationship needs work. There are many dynamic relationship differences between an adhd wife or husband in a man/woman marriage btw. Some of them are outlined here http://www.health.com/health/m/condition-article/0,,20258679_4,00.html