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  • ADHD spouse venting by: WildBill2500 1 month 2 weeks ago

    This forum seems pretty dead, but I need to vent. Yesterday, my ADHD wife, was saying how we needed groceries but she didn't want to deal with Walmart, so I suggested doing pickup instead. She handled the order and checked things off our shared electronic grocery list (Google Keep is amazing). The trouble started when she got home. She wanted help unloading and pointed out things to put away in the freezer. I handled all that and saw a couple bags of dried goods in the trunk and put that away too. After that, my wife asked if I got the eggs from the back seat, I hadn't, so I went out to the car and grabbed those. We went out last night and didn't have any other thoughts about groceries until this morning. She couldn't find cottage cheese - her instant reaction was Walmart screwed up (not at all uncommon during pickup). She then started looking around for other things asking me where they were... I said I hadn't put anything in the fridge other than the eggs. She rattles off all the things she's missing. I suggest she look in the car, because I took care of what I was asked to. She finds two cooler bags still in the car. I asked where they were, because I never saw them - they were between all the empty reusable bags in the trunk, behind the back seat. So, now, we have expensive perishable food we can't use and my frustration is extremely high, feeling I need to micromanage more- all because she can't communicate what should have made it from the car to the house, pickup on detail clues like missing items, or put things in an orderly fashion like full bags not behind and underneath empty ones. ARRRGGGGHHH!!!!! I ABSOLUTELY HATE ALL THIS! Everything says we shouldn't have a parent child relationship, but if I don't handle things myself shit goes wrong and costs us time and money! I'm seriously struggling to find an upside to our marriage. 

  • My partner's new method for dealing with my ADHD worries me. by: bluehive 1 month 2 weeks ago

    Some context: 

    We are hosting a housewarming party in two days, which has put both of us into overdrive with preparations. We are both doing a lot to prep, plan, and clean. He has a big meal planned, I am making dessert and did the shopping, and we are both cleaning. We worked together to complete our new deck and patio before the party; He built it, I just finished staining it. Since it is a backyard party, I also want to showcase our beautiful gardens. The problem is that I have been putting off tending to the backyard gardens, and they have gotten really overgrown and weedy. I started working on them on Sunday and found it would take much more effort than I anticipated. So, I began working on them every spare moment I could: waking up early, during lunch, after work, and staying up late. I feel overwhelmed by how much there is to do, and I've let that stress spill over, making me more prone to tears. I'm upset that rooms I previously cleaned and tidied are messy again. My partner has been very nice, comforting, and supportive. 

    Then, all of a sudden, he withdrew. We have had many discussions recently about strengthening our connection, but he barely communicated with me, saying he was burnt out. I even tried to hold his hand while we were watching TV, and he replied, "I just can't." 

    This hurt my feelings and triggered an anxious attachment response in me; I began to feel very unhappy with how he was pulling away without explaining why. This went on for two days (we struggled to find time to talk about it because we were both so busy and tired), and eventually, it boiled over. 

    I woke up on my birthday yesterday, got ready for work and waited for him to wake up for his day. I was expecting a bit of excitement, like a "Hey! Happy birthday!" followed by a big hug and kiss. 

    He got up, said hey, and nothing more. I didn't wait long to bring it up since I was on my way out the door. I looked at him expectantly, and he asked, "What?" I said, "I think you're forgetting something..." and he, somewhat put out, said, "Yeah... happy birthday?" 

    I felt so disappointed and let down. He had already been pulling away, and now, not even on my birthday, could he muster enough energy to pretend to be happy to see me.

    I told him I was upset by that reaction, and he immediately jumped into defensive mode, saying, "I planned our whole night tonight, I came up with other nice birthday plans for you, what do you want? Is nothing ever good enough?" 

    I left, got in the car and was upset, came back into the house, and expressed that it wasn’t sitting right with me, explaining why I was disappointed (through discussing our connection, we agreed to voice our feelings when we were upset rather than swallow them). All I needed was a big hug, a kiss, a smile, and a happy birthday wish. 

    He capitulated but then reiterated that he felt he had already done a lot. I left feeling dejected and cried on my way to work.

    I started receiving a lot of messages and love from friends and family, which lifted my spirits. As my mood improved, I felt like I might have been a bit of a birthday brat. He had done many nice things for my birthday, and I might have seemed unappreciative. 

    I sent a text expressing that sentiment, apologizing for making him feel unappreciated. I mentioned I was just saddened by his reaction and that we had agreed to communicate when we were upset. I said I loved and appreciated him.

    He never responded. 

    When I got home after work, we had about an hour and a half before meeting friends for dinner and a concert (which he had planned).

    He was still distant. Cordial, but distant. When I mentioned that lunch with my friend had been nice, he replied, "Oh, great." 

    In my mind, I was thinking, how can we SOLVE THIS? I CAN'T STAND being in each other's presence without really talking or being connected.

    So I asked if he wanted to talk about this morning. He said sure.

    I sought to understand, trying to use curiosity to dissuade my anger (things I'm learning in therapy). I asked what he was feeling this morning and how it felt for him, etc. We revisited much of our earlier conversation, but I mentioned how he had been withdrawn for a couple of days and that I thought it contributed to my reaction. He mentioned he had been feeling a certain way, which affected his behavior that morning. He then explained how he has been acting towards me. 

    He told me that when I procrastinate on something, then get stressed as it nears the deadline, it creates a sense of stress around me that makes him uneasy. This is because a) he might have to take on tasks I would normally handle while I deal with my stress, and b) he just gets stressed being around me. 

    Okay, fair on some points... (I haven't made him do anything extra in the recent situation involving the housewarming party and gardening issue.)

    So, if I haven't made him do anything extra, it’s just that being around me when I'm stressed is stressful for him. 

    He then mentioned that he has told me many times how uncomfortable it makes him when I leave things to the last minute. He feels that I refuse to change, that I don't listen, and clearly don't care about how it affects him; I just continue doing what I want. 

    He referenced a post he saw on Reddit where a man said his wife complained often, and he started leaving the room when she did, causing her to stop complaining. I thought... this is absurd. He’s taking relationship advice from Reddit? Did this man communicate with his wife? Did he explain why he was leaving? Or did he just train her behavior out of her, thinking that was a good tactic?

    So my partner decided to implement the same strategy. When I leave something to the last minute and become stressed dealing with it, he's going to "remove himself from the situation," meaning he won't talk to me, hug me, or hold my hand. He said, "even the reminder that you exist stresses me out." 

    I... try to respond, but I am somewhat left speechless. I ask a few more clarifying questions but struggle to provide constructive feedback. I'm basically appalled by this decision. He can see I'm grappling with how to respond, and he says, "It's not really a discussion. This is what I'm going to do. I've tried talking to you and communicating, and I’ve told you how it affects me. You don't care. You just keep doing what you want, and you clearly always will." 

    I'm still at a loss. I say okay and leave to process my thoughts. I go upstairs and begin to cry intensely. I have ADHD, a neurological disorder that makes it challenging to conceptualize and execute long-term projects, recognize how long something will take, or focus on the future while letting go of immediate problems. I feel immense shame, sadness, and desperation when I procrastinate and struggle to finish things on time. Additionally, I have taken the initiative to seek help, have been medicated, and have made significant progress. He is upset because I left the gardening to the last minute, but I also planned, shopped for, packed, and executed a five-day backcountry camping trip for us (including dehydrating our meals). I applied for a job and submitted the application three days before the deadline, finished staining the deck five days before our party, and did all the planning and shopping for our party three days in advance. This is all just in September. Yet because I procrastinated working on the garden, and, because it's important to me that our garden looks nice during our backyard party, I have spent every waking moment out there feeling overwhelmed, yet I am treated as if I have made no progress or effort to change that part of myself. Worst of all, I've allowed it to affect him simply by being stressed. 

    I can't help but feel like it's a punishment. Withholding love as a tactic to get me to change behavior he does not like. I find this extremely troubling. 

    I gather myself and leave the bathroom. He can tell I've been crying and prompts the conversation again. I tell him essentially what I just explained. That it feels like punishment for something with which I already struggle and feel such shame about—not something I "want to do" or "get to keep doing." 

    He is adamant that it doesn't matter why I do it. It affects him negatively, so he needs to withdraw. It's about protecting his sanity and peace—it's not a punishment. I can understand that; I can see his perspective. However, he continues to assert, "because you refuse to change." I tell him that if that's his core argument for this new "method," then it is unfounded. I have made significant progress, and I've worked incredibly hard to change. I have participated in therapy, received an ADHD diagnosis, and been medicated. I was content living with it when it only affected me, but I sought help because of its impact on my partner and our relationship, as well as to ensure it wasn't unfair for him to deal with these aspects of me when I had accepted them. 

    So, what I'm left thinking is: You've tried hard to change, you've made great progress, you work really hard, you do many things well. But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. Because if you slip up—and you will, because you're human—your partner will resent you, withdraw from you, and will not support you. In fact, he will be angry with you for doing this to yourself and him. Ultimately, the outcome of your actions affects him negatively, making it the worst thing you could do in his eyes. I don't care how many positive things there have been; if you mess up like this, you’re a bad partner who chooses not to change and simply does what she wants with no regard for his feelings. 

    I express my perspective to him (not in so many words). He remains unmoved. I ask if it's just self-preservation, can he please at least communicate what is happening when he feels the need to withdraw? Let me know, "I'm feeling overwhelmed by your stress, and until you have it under control, we should have some space between us." Without that information, I continue trying to talk to him, kiss him, or hold his hand, and I get rejected. My bids for connection are dismissed, and it’s incredibly painful. If he has made a conscious decision to distance himself, I deserve to know so I can accept it and suggest that we take some time apart and reconvene in a couple of days.

    He thinks for a long moment, sighs, and agrees. He says, "But don't make me do anything else. Don't keep piling on things for me to do." 

    I tell him all I'm asking for is basic communication. He scoffs, stating that he has tried communicating and has now resorted to this because I refuse to change. 

    This is when I tell him that his argument is invalid and provide evidence of my progress, etc. He merely responds with a nonchalant "whatever," expressing disbelief in my progress.

    It's my birthday. We go out for drinks and attend a concert. We hold hands and kiss, but I feel reluctant to be around him. I feel abandoned, unseen, and misunderstood. I fear having a child with him — how will he treat a stressed and anxious kid? How will he respond to their behavior? Will he silently withdraw and withhold love and affection? Will they grow up thinking they cannot express feelings of anxiety or stress because it means their father cannot be around them?

    This is how I feel now. I worry that next time I mess up, procrastinate, and have to rush to complete something, I should hide my feelings so I do not upset him and jeopardize his love. 

    When things are good, I feel so at home and in love with him and our life together. I love so much about him. I am genuinely happy. 

    However, I think these issues might be things I cannot ignore, and they will only worsen. He already resents me. I am struggling with his reactions to certain situations. How long will we continue in this manner, and how could I possibly bring a child into this dynamic? 

  • I Don't Know What This Is ? Impending Sense of Doom Con't by: J 1 month 2 weeks ago

    After everything I've learned so far including reading from the book, I've been trying to imploy aa many tools as possible when communicating with my SO. That includes, not invalidating things she says especially things she believes.  I'm going in with an open mindset even if I don't personally agree with everything she believes, and responding to her accordingly trying not to say things like "I don't believe it" or "that's not true".

    Having said that, this thing about global catastrophe, civil war in the US ( including rounding everyone up like a Russian Gulag if certain people get into power ), and geological events including Asteroids hitting earth causing the next mass extinction, and Solar Flares taking out the entire power grid on earth rendering all electical devices disabled.......is a recurring theme. To the point, she's very worried that these are upcoming events and the threat is eminent. Eminent as in coming soon. 

    To the point, she's now wanting to act on it ( as if it's  coming ) including having me do things in preparation: buying a generator,  getting emergency food rations to last many months ( not just a few weeks ) botted water etc.

    For the record, I don't believe this is true and I'm not really worried about it. But, with an open mind, I try my best to discuss the likelihood of any these events happening. Bottom line, these are all things out of my control so I don't spend time thinking about it.

    But, she says she's been worried about this for years ( a couple at least ) and talks about it all the time. Twice ...last night and just this morning, in the last 24 hours. And her confirmation for most of this comes from people who say they've had a near death experience and have information ( from another dimension ) who've come back to report on this saying ....the shift is coming and it's going to be bad before it gets good. Kinda biblical in that way.

    I personally don't give credence to people predicting the future. I don't care what they say or what otherworldly dimension they've been to, but in an effort to NOT dismiss my SO's beliefs, I present my opinions with an open mind.

    I just don't know what this is? I'm sort of clueless? And since I now have to get involved ( the preparation for disaster ) I feel I have something to say. I've already talked her down and reassured her I already own the things she wants and we can only be so prepared without going too far down that road. That's been okay with her, but I still can't relate or am sure what this is all about? 

    Is this all catastrophic thinking run amok or what?

    J

     

  • Book Confusion: Projection? by: Icandothiswithhelp 1 month 2 weeks ago

    I am nearly done reading the book and finding it very insightful. My wife was recently diagnosed with ADHD and started meds. As the non-ADHD spouse, I am reading the book trying to place myself in those shoes. 

    While I clearly see her symptoms (disorganized, excessive spending, distractible, etc), she is also very much the book version of the non-ADHD spouse. She nags, belittles, rages at me, pushes all real responsibilities on me then tells me I contribute little or nothing, and is constantly asking me to do more. I never ask her to do anything and go out of my way to avoid triggering her anger. 

    I am the described easy going, fun loving, spontaneous, hard working, loving parent. I can certainly get distracted or have my attention pulled in too many directions, but I believe to a reasonable degree. I have not been evaluated for ADHD, it has never been recommended (except by her) and the screening questionnaires come up negative. 

    I am the sole bread winner, cover all bills and finances, am expected to cook every meal (separate meal for her to eat on her own typically), take kids to every birthday party / practice / sporting event, all kids are in school or day care and we have a cleaner come. I don't drink, play video games, go to the gym, or go out with the guys (no time). I 'walk on eggshells' constantly. 

    From what I read in the book, it seems like she is managing me like I'm the ADHD spouse and not the other way around. Could she be projecting her symptoms and frustrations on me to deal with her ADHD? Is this a known pattern?

  • Coming Together by: J 1 month 2 weeks ago

    I'm finally starting to get it...and understanding how this attachment theory actually works. Understanding my own and how I became this way and being able to recognize others ( attachment style) and how they work together....either good or bad. Actually, there's no good or bad, just what it is. 

    The big picture, that I just now finally realized ( more fully ) and more clearly....starts with my parents of course and extends to my immediate family: my mom had an anxious  possibly  anxious-avoidant style.....and my dad was dismissive avoidant. This seems almost obvious to me now. And my sisters are both anxious-avoidant and anxious preoccupied/secure respectively.

    And I'm just a little of both ( anxious or avoidant ) depending on who I'm with. But of course. A little of my dad and a lot more of my mom....the one who I spent more time around and was definitely the primary care giver.

    And now, here I am....with another  dismissive avoidant ( oh yeah, there's been others...two more at least ) who just trigger the hell out of me left and right at times, which brings out my own insecurities. ( insecure attachments )Many of her behaviors resembling my dad's.

      After doing some of my own research....I'm looking at these attachment styles as stand alone features and not trying to include anything else into this mix. For me, it's too easy to start letting my imagination run wild so in an effort to stop that....I'm more focused on this for now.

    And the very best thing I can do for now, is focus on myself and making sure I'm as secure as I can. Being secure in myself, is probably the best thing I can do to ensure that my SO and I stand a chance together. I know I can't do this all alone, but I've still got some work to do on my end which has already shown results.

    The better I get....the better we get. That much I know for sure because I've seen the results already.

     I even figured our the attachment style of my SO's ex-husband.....the longest relationship she's had ( 15 years ). He's also a dismissive avoidant.....and their schedules and personal habits meant tons of space and time away from each other. Ironically, she felt much like I do now ( with her ) much of the time. He almost stopped having sex with her after only 4 months married, which ultimately ( at the end ) lead her to cheat which also fits the profile. I found that really interesting. More proof that two insecure attachments don't work well together,  even if they're alike and seemingly more compatible. 

    Like I said....I'm starting to get it now more than ever. Knowledge is power....and thus kind of power is a good thing.

    J

    PS I'd love to tell this to my SO some day but for now, that'll just come across as "needy". At least, that's what it feels like for her. Better to let that ride until another day or maybe not at all....the more secure I get.

  • Social energy by: Swedish coast 1 month 3 weeks ago

    After divorce ten months ago I've had several friends come visit. Mostly one good friend at a time, but also small family gatherings, and the occasional friend's family with children. 

    It's been enjoyable, and I've mostly managed it. But socializing now knocks me out instead of filling me up. I don't want to admit it, but it's a fact. And the children, who aren't used to company after all the years of their father's depression and anxiety, are socially withdrawn which means I must work harder and sometimes feel awkward and overwhelmed. 

    Hosting a bigger event is way out of reach. I don't belong to any group of people anymore, have no social habits in common, no choice of games or music. Even family gatherings have tapered out to nothing, especially since the pandemic. And naturally because I have no contact with the former extended family in law.

    This weekend I declined an invitation to an outdoor event with several people because I couldn't bear taking the children, feeling responsible for making everything work for everybody. I was so tired, just slept instead.

    I don't remember how to have fun at parties. I only know how to take responsibility. Drinking a little and relaxing is a remote memory. Dancing is unthinkable. Imagine I used to love big parties and socialized many nights a week. Imagine I used to be fun.

    Has anybody else had their social life dismembered by their ADHD marriage? How did you regain your social energy? When did you start to feel like yourselves? 

  • Are there other dynamics than Parent/Child? by: honestly 1 month 3 weeks ago

    This is something that has been on my mind ever since reading Melissa's book. Whilst my OH has an extreme case of inattentive ADHD, with some hyperactive traits, and we have profound problems in our relationship, I can't see the dynamic between us as parent/child. He has always been the more assertive, insistent one; if I ever questioned or suggested how things might be done he just told me he was right and I (I am very trusting, very credulous, very insecure) tended to believe him. Even things like hanging out with his ex, or me having to do all the driving, or cleaning, or me being left to cope alone with work and a small baby while he went away on expensive business trips that never led to anything: his attitude was right and I was wrong and I pulled apart my psyche to accept that not only was I exhausted and depressed and lonely, I was wrong to be all those things. I should be fine; I should be happy. It was quite right that we spent every summer holiday with this woman who made my skin crawl, quite right that I did the driving since we only ever went places I wanted to go (his parents' house? I don't think so!), and quite right that he had all this time away from home, staying in hotels and coming home with no new work but expensive treats for himself, since other husbands of our acquaintance did this (they, however, were primary breadwinners; I was the sole breadwinner at the time and I was at home with the kids).

    Now I'll readily accept that I am not a normal person - whatever that is - I was brought up with a narcissistic parent and that has profound effects. I have had a couple of ACEs (adverse childhood experiences) that make me even more likely to accept bad situations and blame and shame. I have a powerful ability to believe myself to be in the wrong. But even then, I do not see that I have been critical and parented this man. I, rather than him, have been targeted as the faulty one in this marriage. Rather than Parent/Child I see it now more as a Cult Leader / Follower dynamic, or a Crazy Dictator / Subject dynamic. Things go wrong between us when I step out of that enabling and adoring role, when I ask a question, or state a preference that does not concur with his. From his POV all the problems are of my causing; all I needed to do was what he wanted and everything would be right. Even when he got his ADHD diagnosis the 'problem' was not the ADHD; the problem was my own particular personality, which meant I was uniquely incapable of dealing with his ADHD. And there is always this hinterland of faults and problems he has with me, that he will say is there, but will not talk specifically about any of the issues he has because he's just 'not that kind of person.' So I am to understand that there is this catalogue of bad karma just hanging there, proof of my guilt and badness, but he's too big a soul to tell me how I have transgressed.

    Day to day behaviour makes it clear he considers me a lesser person than him in almost every possible way, even though, if i was feeling strong enough, I could point to clear evidence to the contrary (eg I have a PhD and am a recognised expert in my field; he is always ready to  tell me I'm wrong about things I have extensive professional understanding of, and about which he has no direct experience). I am in no way a parent to him.

    Writing this has made me more clear on the probability that he is also a narcissist. So maybe what I'm dealing with is that. One condition blurs into another. 

    But I guess I want to know if anyone else has similar or 'other' dynamics. Is there a messier, more complicated picture out there, possibly because of the fact that conditions like this tend to cluster, than just the binary of Parent/Child? 

  • Help me understand as the non-ADHD spouse by: soloequestrian 1 month 3 weeks ago

    My husband left just over a year ago and I haven't known why.  I've finally stumbled upon the ADHD in marriage information and it tells our story, except that he was the one who left.  He is terrified of feeling trapped and controlled and at the moment is utterly disinterested in looking at reconcilation.  We have met up a couple of times recently and have talked for several hours, from my point of view getting on very well and having quite a nice time despite the weird situation.  Logically he seems to recognise that I haven't been a horrible controlling harpy but emotionally he is scared, shut down and still in the 'child' role of the parent/child relationship.  I want to suggest that we explore the idea of being friends and maybe do some fun stuff together so I can become associated with nice things (and dopamine) rather than just being the boring one who looks after the finances.  Any suggestions about how to go about makint this suggestion in an ADHD friendly way?  I'm really struggling to put myself in his shoes to see what sort of thing might work. 

  • I want to talk about the hard stuff but just…can’t by: mike1112014 1 month 3 weeks ago

    Guess I wrote all that in the summary sorry

  • the inconsideration...my lord by: Off the roller ... 1 month 3 weeks ago

    Guys, I'm struggling...really struggling....at this exact moment it's down to the fact that I feel like me - any part, my thoughts, my feelings, my needs, my wants, ANY of it - are not considered AT ALL or at any point by my ADHD husband. It's infuriating and frustrating, but more importantly. It HURTS SO BAD. So badly. Like, it hurts me so much and is so painful that all I can figure out is relief will only come if I leave him. Genuinely. I don't cry much anymore about my situation, but at this point, I just feel numb and pain and hurt and rejection. And I cried today, just now. A LOT. 

    And I think it's because I have a boss that I work for that has the same traits as my spouse, I work from home remotely and it feels like this means I can never escape this hurt or pain. Like this is what it's going to be for the rest of my life (it won't be, I'll make sure of it but right now, it feels like it). 

    So my marriage is extremely rocky, my husband is home at the moment (without diving into details, there is no change of him leaving the home just of yet due to medical issues) so my biggest relationship is here at home and I also WORK in my home with someone online who I also struggle with communication and feeling like I'm actually considered and not steam rolled over. And before medical issues took place in my house, I was realising this and made plans to start working away from home, but now, that's not possible for the immeidate next 3 weeks. 

    But like... yall, what do the rest of you do about this? How do I even start to sit in it or process it or anything?? I don't even know how to communicate this to my husband because most things when I speak to him, I get cut off, talked over, dismissed, denied or deflected. Every. Day. 

    People have their breaking point and I am wondering if I've reached mine. 

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