Recent forum posts (all topics)

  • Symptom, Response, Response by: J 3 months 1 week ago

    Before I say anything else, I want to thank everyone on this forum, who have helped with so much love, compassion and kindness despite my ignorance in so many ways now and in the past...if I've said anything that was hurtful or made people angry due to my own obliviousness. ( is that even a word ? ) Without knowing that I've done so, and I'm sure I have, I'm deeply sorry that I've been the cause of this hurt.

    Which leads me to....

    If it hadn't been for this forum,  Melissa's book and her class, I never would have understood the concept of Symptom, Response,  Response. This is exactly what has happened with myself and my SO who is also ADHD. Being able to recognize this dynamic happening has really helped me not take things too personally and remind myself that I'm part of this dynamic too. I've been watching myself constantly and making sure I'm doing my part in not making it worse. Nipping it in the bud so to speak.

    Having two people who have ADHD together is like rubbing your head and patting your belling AND playing 3D Chess at the same time. Alot of things to watch for and think about including the fact that when I see her, it's like looking at myself in a mirror at times.

    I've also been able to recognize the change in our relationship as we've just past the honeymoon phase of our relationship at just over 2 years. Again truly helpful when you start getting that "what's wrong here " feeling. Something has changed but it's more of a natural progression that happens to everyone. Experiencing SRR and being able to recognize is extremely helpful and I have this site and Melissa and all the people here who have been so tolerant and kind to thank.

    Thank you.

     

    J

  • I was critical and impatient by: Swedish coast 3 months 1 week ago

    I've been doing some soul searching. What did I do during our many years together that hurt my undiagnosed ADD partner?

    We all know some very common things, and those I've done. I was critical of his priorities and questioned his performance. I dismissed most of his ideas.

    Impatient by nature, I've made him feel he was always too slow. I've prompted action and decisiveness to no avail. I've shown irritation at his natural pace. 

    Also I complained a lot. My life with him had few rewards. It was as if my worth in the world plummeted with his hidden depression and anxiety when our children were little. I couldn't understand why nothing I did helped, when formerly I had been quite resourceful and felt well liked. I then complained about being unhappy, feeling alone, feeling overwhelmed, feeling badly treated by other people. I complained about work most days and took work distress home, but didn't quit the line of work I was doing. 

    His parents noticed something was wrong with us and decided it must be my fault. Then I refused to see them. This he couldn't accept, and it was a constant cause of conflict for years. 

    When he was sick, I couldn't stand it. He had a way of slowing down even more, to the point of complete standstill, not communicating at all for days when he had a cold. I was angry with him for it, and I showed my impatience and anger when he was ill. 

    Most days I tried to run a cheerful family and worked around his negligence. But some days I confronted him for never sharing his work schedule with me. For leaving all planning responsibility to me. And for all the other things he didn't do.

    Add years and heavy resentment. Finally I felt he should acknowledge I was there at all, no matter how shut down I was. He was newly diagnosed needing encouragement and approval, and I was just spent. I was barely able to support us financially and keep house. I couldn't give him the emotional support he needed.

    All in all, I understand I've undermined his confidence, punctured his hopes and dismissed him as an equal partner. I could have done better, by leaving long ago, even though I didn't know what our problem was. There really was no virtue in hanging on to the misery and spending us both.

    With an early diagnosis, things might have been different. But to be honest, I probably wouldn't have started our family if I'd known about his neurodivergence. This I'm not proud of. I've loved him deeply. But nonetheless.

    Considering all this, he has been very kind to me. There have been rage outbursts, but most of the time he's been very gentle, loving and kind.

    I need to remember that, too. 

     

     

     

     

  • Rage meltdown ending on physical abuse adhd partner by: saudade 3 months 1 week ago

    Hello everybody, first excuse me for my english.

    Here's my story and I am searching for help on how to approach my partner again.

    He has adhd, add, emotional dysfunction, a lot of traumas and an alcohol problem. Probably there are other syntoms which weren't diagnosticate. He refuses medication and therapy, which he tried, and he tries by himself, many times he manages it. But when he drinks too much, he gets these anger outbursts that he cannot control. Normally he leaves to his place (he was everyday in my place). He says he has to go away to protect me, because he loves me, and he cannot control his rage. I never understood until last week. He could not go away, because his key was at my place, he was drinking the whole night and he ended up beating me up (bitting and pushing) and was arrested. After some hours he came out. Still in rage. I didn't see him, a friend gave him the things he had in my apt. And his dog. No contact 5 days.

    I took care of myself.

    I also have to say ( I am 54): this is the most loving, caring man I know. We spent all our free time together, doing nice things. I had a hard time with some issues and he was there. The most time we had a beautiful relation. He also tries very hard not to drink much, already made many changes in his life, he works hard and is in general an amazing person. He also did the homework, everything perfect. 

    Now: I tried to call him yesterday. He has no family, no friends (only bar-friends) 

    He didn't answer. I wrote him to call me back, that is nothing bad, no discussion but I need to tell him something. He answered "I should not". And that was it. 

    I want to talk with him. To tell him I've learned a lot this days and many things he told me are clear to me now (I did not take ADHD so serious, never had to deal with it until January). I want to offer my help for him to make therapy. And I want to start again, because I love him, he loves (or loved) me and I believe we can manage to try in a different way. He asked me several times for help (like, please when I want to go to the bar, ssy no, tell me to come home) and I didn' t get it. 

    What he did has no excuse. But I fund the explanation. 

    My pain is so overwhelming and I know his pain about his condition must be terrible too.

    In previous meltdowns, I was here to care for him. He cried and was like a child looking for safety. Now he is alone.

    Question: what can I do that he talks with me at least on the phone? He is stonewalling and I cannot even tell him I forgive him...

  • I HOPE and PRAY this is rock bottom by: Catterfly 3 months 2 weeks ago

    Hi all, this comes with a giant trigger warning.

    Some of you might be aware of my situation: 17 year marriage, DH diagnosed about a year ago.  We have two daughters, one age 12 who I'm taking to a psychiatrist at the end of the month, because I'm sure she also has ADHD. 
     

    But we also have a beautiful, kind, wonderful, funny daughter who just turned 15, a year after her diagnosis of ADHD, and two years after she was very violently assaulted in a local park.  :(

     

    I've been dealing with her trauma on my own for two years, simply because H doesn't understand trauma and refuses to learn about it.  In his mind, doing the best day to day stuff for mental health (wearing the right clothes, going to the gym, having the right friends), will result in her getting better.  Also, meds are a source of shame for him and must be avoided, in fear of admitting some kind of failure.  We have had many arguments - sometimes full out fights - about his daily yelling at her to change her behaviour.

     

     Finally in May she made a medically severe suicide attempt, and I spent Mother's Day in the ER not knowing if my baby would survive, or even what had actually happened to her.

    Since that day, I've quit work (employment insurance) and have made her health my #1 priority.  After two months of the most amazing time together, creating opportunities for her and getting her connected to friends, she confessed to me almost a week ago that nothing is a detractor any more. Her pain is so great that she's willing to sacrifice her family's future in order to get out of it.  Thank god we have a relationship where she was able to divulge this to me.  I of course took her straight back to the ER and the childrens' psychiatric team that I''ve come to be close with.  She was admitted immediately. 

     

    Here's where it gets relevant to this group: yesterday I got a call from the hospital psychiatrist telling me that she's afraid of her father's unpredictable rages, and that she can't be brought home to our house.  They told him the same thing in a separate call.  So the issue is not only her trauma, it's also her father's daily rages, and the subsequent fights I have with him about how they are inappropriate, or me just stepping in to mediate and protect the kids.

    STILL he blames me, and says he's done nothing wrong.  Complete denial.  All of his rage is justified in his kind, and attributable to either me or the kids.  Complete denial of his diagnosed ADHD, the RSD, or any impact on me or the girls.

     

     Needless to say I'm leaving him, and told him so yesterday while putting plans in place, but I'm terrified to cause even more instability in my daughter's life.  She has asked me to move her to a completely new town.  That's how bad it is.  
     

    Since he reads this forum and doesn't see himself in it, I'm at a loss. He refuses to own any responsibility to either help our children or better himself.

     

    I guess my question is - is this ADHD?  Is there something else going on?  And how did I, a high achieving woman with tons of family support, find myself as the frog in the proverbial pot, and at the same time find that I've put my children at risk??

    Maybe more importantly, if he's reading your responses, is this behaviour in any way justified by literally anything I or the kids do????

     

    help

    Catterfly

  • Advice on dealing with stream of consciousness talking by: YM 3 months 3 weeks ago

    Any advice on dealing with stream of consciousness interruption. My ADHD wife and I work together and I feel like I can barely think about what I have to do, every time Im within earshot, there's a comment, complaint, or request about what's going on in her day. 99% of those don't concern me or aren't time-sensitive, Sometimes work-related, sometimes not. I don't want to make her feel like she can't talk to me but I am exhausted at the end of the days because it takes me too much focus to do my work and context-switch all day to join in on her problems /tasks/conversation. 

    Any advice or perspective is appreciated. 

  • Does the medication really help? by: @griffkat 3 months 3 weeks ago

    Hello looking for general support really. I've been with my husband for 11 years. Five of those married. It's the same as everyone else really, we were great until we got married and then he totally changed. We got pregnant quite quickly and he was overwhelmed with the prospect of becoming a dad and I couldn't do or say anything right. Covid hit us hard financially and the loss of work sent him into a depression. I noticed huge mood changes during this time and every 3 months he would say he wasn't sure he wanted to be with me or want our life together. Then he was would come back around and things would be good for a while and the same would happen again. His moods switch so rapidly sometimes it's hard to know what  I said. Issues with my slowness to respond or also me responding too directly in the wrong tone have caused so many issues. Around  a year and a half ago after a breach of trust, he went into the therapy that first suggested ADHD. We then did another year without a formal diagnosis. This year he threatened divorce 3 times during a fight which he started, but apparently I was to blame for. I'm happy to accept I am not perfect but I do struggle with the temper escalation and I am always accused of being aserbic or acidic. I often feel like he has two personalities, one for everyone else and then the split one with me. He works relentlessly which is where his hyperfocus goes. Then when he gets back he either crashes from exhaustion or illness. He won't stick to any exercise routine as works too much and has quite a transient job so he can't find a routine for diet and exercise together. He finally got a formal diagnosis of ADHD combined inattentive and hyperactive at high levels and then he chose not to take the medication (Ritalin). I decided to at that point to end the relationship which was extremely difficult as ii of course love him very much. After a few weeks he wanted to try the medication, and we have started to mend. However he has been hit with an illness that has delayed starting the medication by another two months. And I can feel the anxiety building up in me that I'm relying too much on this to change things. Has anyone else had experience with great improvements in their partner after the medication? Am I pinning too much hope on this? 

  • Quality of life alone by: Swedish coast 4 months 11 hours ago

    Struggling with loneliness without the children after divorce. Our home is so empty when they're not with me and I feel redundant in it.

    It seems true what some say that 4-6 months post divorce there can be a pit of darkness. I've been in it and crawled out of it. Many days now I'm cheerful at work and can enjoy some socializing or  activities on days off. Its relieving to no longer cry most days and not unconsciously draw as much attention to my pain around other people.

    What seems to linger is a feeling of being spent. I have very little true excitement or anticipation. Quality of life isn't convincing. I have to remind myself every day that I deserve the same consideration as others. Some days especially with no distractions I slip into a feeling that it doesn't matter if I enjoy life or whether I live at all.

    It's a comfort that old ladies allegedly do well on their own. At some point, I guess I'll be able to take care of myself and enjoy loneliness. It's just not yet.

    Thank you all for keeping me company though this.

  • Medication and Homeostasis Question by: J 4 months 1 day ago
  • Undiagnosed ADHD and threats of divorce by: murph24 4 months 1 day ago

    My wife left in January, very suddenly and became very cold.

    for the past 6 months she has either said has been ambivalent about whether she wants to come back. In the lows she has said some very hurtful things - "you're not my wife" "I don't love you like a wife". In the highs she's spent more time together as a family with our son, said she was trying and gave elements of what now seems like false hope.

    She has impulsively paid a deposit for divorce then immediately put it on hold. She has put our family home up for sale then blocked viewers.

    we are back in a cycle of her saying it's completely over...

    im so so exhausted. I love her but can't keep going on like this.

     

    anyone?

  • How to Know if a Therapist is the Right Fit? by: Luvs2Run 4 months 1 day ago

    Note: I wanted to get my husbands permission before posting so he didn't feel like I was going behind his back. Italicized sentences are things he wanted me to add

    I've been hoping for couples therapy for a long time. We both thought it would be helpful but weren't feeling like we could afford it. We have made some big adjustments but something that continues to be really hard are these moments where we have REALLY  different ways of thinking/seeing things. Sometimes that's a perceived hurt like he'll say something that's just really really hurtful, something I feel sure I'm not crazy for being offended at and I just feel like I HAVE to get him to see how/why it was hurtful. Other times it's different ideas for how to tackle a problem and doing it his way just doesn't make sense. Sometimes I feel like his ideas might have an impact on or be dangerous to our kids. 

    The event that drove me to seek out a couples therapist was a few weeks ago. I was on a trip to visit my sister. My husband is very very into running. He runs 10 miles every day and can be inflexible about it. before I left we talked about options for running with kids (gym with childcare, expensive running stroller, taking the older kids to their sports camp so he could use the single stroller, etc). He called that first night and said that while he'd run on the treadmill at the gym he wanted to mix it up. His plan for the next morning was to load up our kids (aged 10-ADHD, 7-ADHD, and 2) at 4:30 am and drive over to a sort of remote location (about 2 miles from our house but not near any residences) on BLM land and park near a hill. He planned to leave the kids in the car with the windows down for 60 minutes while he did hill repeats on this hill. Something else to note is that we live in Arizona, and it's hot here all day and all night. It turned out that it was between 70-79 degrees at the time of the workout according to my husband but for me that was one of the things I worried about upon hearing the plan. *He wants me to add that the hill was only 133 meters long...no wait he is google earthing it and it's 80 meters long...this information was not presented to me at the time

    I immediately felt this huge pressure to convince him not to go through with this plan. To me there were risks that weren't worth taking, especially when there were other options for running. I said "You can not do that honey you just can not do that". He asked why"?"  I told him there's risks. He asked "like what?" I said, well if you're not seeing the kids just the car they could be fighting in there, messing with the vehicle, getting out and walking away, (our 7 year old has a history of eloping at school, and last time I parked in front of the atm for 5 minutes she got out and was about to go wandering but I was watching her and called her over-husband wants me to add that he has never seen her elope out of a car and she would be fine if she had an ipad) if someone came by and felt like things were off they could call cops or authorities..." He got upset and said I don't trust him and hung up on me, I felt very sure that this plan was objectively unsafe but I also realized in that moment that a lot of our fights happen when I try to make a logical argument to convince him to see things my way. Instead of doing that I just said "Your plan is unsafe please don't do that". He came up with an alternative (taking them at 5 am to the park and putting them in strollers while running laps around park) he kept asking why the initial plan was unsafe and I said I didn't want to get into an argument about it, I texted "to me it seems really straightforward that this plan is unsafe and I'm not sure how to get on the same page about that without an argument". I felt like I had identified an issue to work on in therapy: In order to avoid getting upset in arguments, I need to avoid trying to convince him to see things the way I do, but how do I approach scenarios where I really feel like there is a safety issue and that it's important to get on the same page? So I made an appointment.

    Yesterday was our first therapy appointment with this new therapist. During our appointment I told this story. For context, the very first thing my husband said was that I am happy when I get my way and that when I don't get my way that's when we have problems. I told the story. She said it's not fair for me to ask for his help but to expect him to do it my way. She said that it should default to whichever adult is watching the kids. She asked why I don't trust him. I felt so on the spot and so surprised by this idea that I'm not allowed to be concerned about my kids safety in this instance. She said well you have a choice either you can let him do it his way or do it yourself. I said "well my initial reaction to that is 'ok well then I guess that means I can't go out of town'" she said well "why don't you trust him?" She asked what evidence I have that I can't trust him with my kids. I said I do trust him with my kids I left for a 5 day trip without hesitation, but I DON'T trust this particular plan he had. She said I can't dictate how he does things and that not trusting him is questioning his character. We moved on to talking about chores and this idea that I'm super controlling seemed to prevail. (He wants me to include the entire context for this, I had wanted to make this more brief)  I don't feel like my husband was asked to challenge his thinking much. She also hinted that while I had mentioned his adhd impacted our marriage, that it might not be having as much of an impact as I say. I felt so strange and ultimately incredible helpless after the appointment. I don't think I'm a controlling person. We had a little bit of parent/child dynamics going on that I've been working on since taking the seminar. Who I am as a person though is not at all type A, things have to be my way. I came in willing to work on myself but I just thought couples therapy would be we would both have work to do. My private feelings are that maybe she doesn't know what an adhd marriage looks like? It's really hard to articulate the consistent little things that add up to really struggling. I also wonder if I didn't do a good job advocating for myself. I was trying to be very aware of my language make sure I only spoke to my own feelings and not put words in his mouth, while he was being a lot more direct. My husband feels that the appointment went great and that she was really fair and that I'm just upset because I don't want to have to change.  

    This is striking a huge chord with me and making me so so sad.I feel like this happens often in our marriage where I earnestly want to make changes for the better and I'm willing to do that...and then he sees it in a completely different way. I don't want to be someone who won't take a therapists advice or who won't listen or change but I also feel like feeling so distraught after and so hopeless is not how it's supposed to feel?  How do I know if my therapy experience was not ideal vs me just not being willing to see my own flaws? 

    *Posted with my husbands permission and with his corrections

Pages