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  • Target Symptom by: J 1 month 3 weeks ago

    I watched a video once on ADHD, where it said:" ADHD is NOT a deficit of attention. What it IS, is an inability to redirect attention from one thing to another "

    I wholeheartedly agree. This is exactly what it feels like is happening inside me and part of what's happening between my SO and I.

    Yes, yes....my SO has ADHD too , but in an effort to do everything I can on my end, making sure she can get my attention is top on the list.

    Even this morning she said that I'm addicted to my phone. That's not it. It part of my ADHD symptom of not being able to redirect my attention and being on it too long. Especially when I plugged into the Bluetooth where I can't hear her. 

    We talked about this very thing and I told her it's not an addiction but this very symptom. She said she doesn't like using her ADHD as a crutch ( excuse ).

    There are reasons and excuses. This is a reason but.....she also has my attention. The Bluetooth is still off and will be indefinitely when she's around. I managed just fine before when I didn't have that ability.

     

    J

  • Anger Blinds You by: J 1 month 3 weeks ago

    Just a quick post about anger that I,ve more recently become aware of. When I'm angry, I can see nothing in myself or anyone else except my own anger.

    But when I have control of my anger, it's like suddenly taking the blinders off. I can see more clearly the anger in others when I'm not angry myself. Not just anger, but all the other emotions or feelings in others as well. This has been particularly useful in the relationship with my SO. Being able to see her anger at times, allows me to see what it is she's angry about. This can never happen when your blinded by your own anger. 

  • Exhausted & Resentful of ADHD Husband!!! by: Burnt-out and E... 1 month 3 weeks ago

    I'm 57 and my husband is 63...He is hyper, busy, moving all the time, needs very little sleep AND cannot stop talking!!! He has literally no verbal impulse control and over-reacts to everything. I don't know what to do. I want to divorce him, but am leery of starting over---especially financially and as I approach 60. I could care less about finding another partner....I just want peace and rest. I just read Melissa's email message (9/4/24) on resentment and I really do resent the fact that I give more than I get...my pre-frontal cortex is so beat down from having to share it....I so wish my younger self knew what she was getting herself into...I would have run for the hills! We've been married 29 years, and  I feel like a fool. We have a 22 year old daughter and 16 year old son..they are my only treasures/outcomes from this relationship. If I move on, I'd time it to be 2 years (2026) when my son finishes high school and will no longer be a minor. I welcome any advice. I wish there were a divorce checklist with pros and cons already listed for me to use. Thank you.

  • After Listening to Melissa's Audio Book.... by: J 1 month 4 weeks ago

     

    or at least, a few relative parts. I did have several light bulb moments which prompted me to have a brief talk with my SO before going to bed last night. 

    While listening to her book, I realized several things right off the bat. There were several things that have been mentioned repeatedly that were making her angry. One in particular ( which is not an everyday one for most people ) has to do with the hearing aids ability to connect to Bluetooth so I can listen to things silently on the phone. Music in particular for me. While this sounds like a great idea and being thoughtful on one end, it also effectively cuts me off from anyone trying to talk to me. I'm sure you can see where this us going! There's a part two to this issue but for now, I'm only focusing on this one issue as she has repeatedly complained that she can't talk to me when the Bluetooth is connected.  In essence, we lose connection when I'm connected.

    I began the conversation with: "I want to say something...and that is, I'm so sorry I haven't listened to you when you've told me how frustrating it is when I'm connected to Bluetooth on my hearing aids. I'm sure this must feel like you're not being heard. As of tomorrow morning,  the Bluetooth gets turned off as long as we're together." More or less, that's how I started.

    She wondered where that came from and I told here about Melissa's book and said I had just read a few things that made me feel guilty of not listening to you more. She appreciated that and even reminded me of how I hadn't been "plugged in" yesterday morning and she was able to talk to me while she was making breakfast. It was really nice she said.

    I then brought up my biggest concern being: the parent child dynamic and how it'll ruin our relationship if we don't do something about it. Her response was interesting as she said in a rather casual voice: : "well, I've always had to mother the men I've been in a relationship with...especially my last ex-husband.  The last was husband two for 15 years."

    I didn't say it, but I was thinking it. Mmmmm?

    I told her, we need to find a way to stop this as it's critically important. And she was receptive. I repeated how sorry I was and promised to try and make her feel heard by listening better. This actually felt like the air had cleared a little.  I made this a short conversation but I already know several other things I can start to do immediately along these same lines.

    But the section on roles and symbolic gestures also caught my attention.  I realized:

    a) I need to take on the role of the Non-ADHD partner, at least to keep things clear in my mind when reading since both of us have ADHD and this can get confusing for me. I can change roles as needed

    b )I need to take on the traditional male role of making things happen better. That's means, predicting things ahead of time and just doing them instead of having to be asked. This also falls into the category of "symbolic gestures" as I understand it?

    c) the goal is to take some of the load off her plate when thinking about any of this...making her feel more supported like I have her back, and be heard. *

    * This is where it gets tricky with someone who has a strong need for control and always being self sufficient.  In essence....I don't need anyone to help me.

    If that's the case, they're not going to necessarily ask for help. I've got to pay attention to everything I already know, and just do it even IF I haven't been asked or it's not something on our divided up chore list. Thinking about this further.....everything on the list is my responsibility....not just the ones on my list. If I see I can do something right in front of me that I know she wants and it's on her list...I can just do it without hesitation. Not for praise...because it lightens her load.

    The problem with a person who feels like they have to do everything already from the past....they're not even thinking about the parent child dynamic as it something she's always done.

    As I mentioned before....I walked into the parent child dynamic from day one when I arrived. My intuition was accurate...she's been doing this the majority of her adult life.

    This makes it easy for me to see exactly what I need to do and I actually had started it already in some ways. I've been doing some things right...and other things wrong.

    I noticed even yesterday...instead of telling me what to do ( the bossy ) she started asking me instead. This feels much different. And of course, my answer was yes. She's asking for help, without asking for help. I'm seeing this now more clearly. People who have trouble asking for help, will do it every way BUT.....actually asking for it. I understand this. And I now understand this is what she's doing.

    The part two of my hearing aids and Bluetooth....I can't hear her asking for help when I can't actually hear anything. That's a big deal. I know this now.

    This is a good start I think...but there's a lot more I need to do.

    J

  • Help me understand his apathy by: soloequestrian 1 month 4 weeks ago

    Hi, new here, new to the ideas about ADHD too!  Currently separated from my husband for no very obvious reason.... he left but can't explain why.  He also says he is 'comfortable' with not understanding what went wrong.  I am devastated and hoping we can reconcile.  He recently mentioned the idea that he might be affected by ADHD, I don't know how much he has looked into this but I've been researching it and the 'parent/child' relationship that develops often between affected and non-affected spouses fits very closely with what we both seem to have experienced.  I'm wondering if the total lack of interest in working on a reconciliation could be an ADHD effect?  I've read and watched a lot of material on couples issues and it seems that often even couples who appear to hate each other are still willing to work on their marriages.  We definitely don't hate each other, there is a lot of warmth between us, but he seems terrified of feeling whatever the bad feeling was he had before he left.  I'd be very happy to receive advice on how to move forwards - at the moment my plan is to play the part of the audiobook on ADHD and marriage where it briefly introduces the feelings that the two halves of a couple tend to experience and hope that it gives him the same sort of lightbulb moment that I had when I heard it.  Thanks in advance for any input!

  • How to fix it alone by: Regrets1nLife 1 month 4 weeks ago
  • Apparently Me Crying Was Done To Keep Everyone Up!? .. Beyond Frustrated by: BeyondConfused 1 month 4 weeks ago

    I am in a really bad mental state right now. I actually called my wedding off at the start of this year due to burn out from my partner's untreated ADHD. Or.. it was treated, he just opted to stop taking his medication and lied about it to me. He's hyper fixated on something going on with work. I've sat and listened to it ad nauseam for coming up on 3  years now. It's burning me out. And yes, I've been in counseling for this. It ended a few months back and now I feel like I'm back at square one because I feel like, I am working on myself and my partner just wants to remain "stuck" or doesn't want to put some of the harder work needed, into this. I am also currently seeking out a new therapist to help me unpack the things I recently discovered.

    I recently realized that I probably have ADHD as well and I am in the middle of a diagnosis. I've been learning more about ADHD and we've been working together and both read the ADHD effect on marriage book. Things seemed to be improving. Until things seemed to start to regress. 

    I understand that progress is not linear. I've been patient with that for the most part and making mention when I notice progress or thanking him, and making an effort to really work on my own things too and acknowledging when I am doing something that isn't helpful. Recently though, I watched my partner cancel a ton of hobbies and plans to better manage his work/home/life balance and was super grateful. By the end of the month, he had essentially filled up each thing he had canceled, with new events that are part of his interests. I don't go to these events, I have tried a few times and he just leaves me with the kids and ignores me the whole time and I end up feeling even worse. I don't do well with heat and have chronic pain issues which tend to flare up at these events. I'm now permanently exhausted and don't have the energy to do things. There was also the promise of giving me days where he'd watch the kids and I could just relax. He would then end up sleeping in late on those days so I would have to get up with them and then I'd get maybe half a day out of him watching the kids and I'd end up just sleeping because my motivation to do anything by that point was gone.

    I've got a broken kitchen cabinet, no trim on my baseboards from when we replaced flooring, a drawer that's broken, and just furniture sitting everywhere because he started helping me move it and then.. I think he got tired or something. I can't remember. One of the times we started moving things and he disappeared and I found him on his computer playing games. And when I asked if we could continue moving the dressers, he got angry and snapped at me. So I've been tripping over a half empty dresser for a good week now since something else keeps coming up. I haven't reached out to have someone else do these things because he keeps saying that he will. ..But he hasn't. At this point, I am absolutely reaching out to someone for help, but I just wanted to clarify why I haven't yet. Also, I don't do well with planning in advance, that's my struggle. So, when he says he will, I don't think to reach out to people and make a plan.

    I brought up a while back that I was getting frustrated with all the new events that he'd replaced the old ones with and with the absolute lack of "us" time together. For context, he goes to an event on a weekend and then comes home. The next 3 days, he's too tired to do anything else, and spends most of it sleeping. The next few days are spent getting ready for the next event. And I'm.. at home with our kids slowly burning out and feeling isolated. He takes some of the kids with him sometimes but will NOT take our youngest. She's the hardest one, she does not sleep, she has ADHD as well and she's just.. a lot. We have no family nearby to help out on challenging days and are too broke to afford a babysitter. I am the primary parent for her, and I am exhausted. So anyway, he gets to do what he wants and doesn't really seem to see the disconnect of I am at home essentially keeping everything in order as a way of supporting this. And then he gets home and he's talking to all the people he went to the events with, he's chatting with them about the next one, etc. And I get annoyed because I feel like we are growing apart while he is keeping in contact with these people that he just got to see and strengthening those connections at the detriment of ours. Like we will be sitting and watching a movie and he's texting everyone. Whereas I make an effort to keep my phone nearby but out of reach for me and not go onto it and actually engage with the show that we are watching.

    I tried bringing it up, expressing that I feel like we are losing our connection and asked how we could work together to try and find a way to work around this. I get a blank stare and "I don't know". I offer suggestions and get more blank stare. I got mad the one night because we were watching a show together and he was on his phone the whole time, not even paying attention. And then there was something he claimed he told me, but I didn't hear him or remember it so he was frustrated with me over that. It became this whole thing, but I pointed out how I feel like he hates me or doesn't even want to be with me and got this answer of "well that's how you feel, I can't control that." and then when I asked if he even wants to be with me, got told "I refuse to answer this"

    So.. long story short, I go upstairs and spend the next period of time in the bathroom just full on ugly crying and feeling like I am dying on the inside. He slept on the couch. During this time, I have noticed that his mood has drastically shifted and he's acting the same as he did back when he first stopped taking his meds and hit a hard depression. I've asked if something is bothering him, I've commented that he seems to be upset about something, and I get nothing.

    He had to go help a family member yesterday and I just so happened to notice the date on his pills when I went to take my vitamins. The bottle should have been empty/done months ago but there's still pills left ..He isn't taking his antidepressants again and I'll bet anything he isn't taking the ADHD meds either. 
    But he has told me daily that he's been taking this stuff. He hasn't. And now the mood thing makes sense.

    What really hurts is I stumbled across some messages he sent to one of his new friends from events. From the night when I was in the bathroom just sobbing and feeling alone and broken. His take on the whole thing is that I tell him I'm supportive of his hobbies but then yell at him for going to them and not spending enough time with me and our kids. Vs. "hey out of the entire month, you had something each weekend, I'm starting to feel lonely, could we keep a weekend for us or carve some time out together?"  And he then claims that I then asked him to PROVE that he doesn't hate me and he's in a lose/lose scenario. And that I was then upstairs angry crying loudly on purpose for everyone in the house to hear it. Vs.. I was devastated and frustrated because I've already been divorced once and I feel like I just found a new version of my ex husband and I'm in the 'things are falling apart" stage again and I feel both stupid and like absolute garbage. 

    I am frustrated, I am angry, I am hurt, and I am beyond depressed. And now I'm learning that my partner wants to leave me anyway, and I just I am SO MAD. I feel like I have sacrificed so much trying to work on things, and I got to a point where I was trying to be up front and verbalize concerns in a manner that I was taught in previous marriage counseling, and I feel like it's for nothing. Up until I found the messages, I was really hopeful that couples counseling would help us out. But now I'm thinking that he just wants to keep things the way they are and really doesn't care how it impacts me. 

    And now I'm here with no job (I stay at home with the kids), a mortgage, a bunch of half completed home projects, a scary amount of debt, very overweight, and I now have to try to figure out how to do this on  my own apparently. The biggest part I am stressing about is juggling daycare for 4 kids while also working since the jobs I've had in the past, generally have me working until after a daycare or day home is closed. 

    Ugh.. I am just so upset and frustrated right now. I feel like I keep ending up with people where I try to give it my all and try to work with them on issues instead of just leaving at the first sign of trouble. And now I'm wishing that I had opted to walk away earlier since it all seems to have been for nothing. 


     

  • My Attachment Style Retrospect by: J 1 month 4 weeks ago

    As I was thinking about my own attachment style, I was about to take yet another test but realized I didn't need to. I realized I can self access my own style(S) based on all my past relationships over the years. It occurred to me, this might be useful for others to see especially if they've only been married once and early in life. I thought it might be as interesting for someone else as it is for me. It goes like this:

    First high-school girlfriend ( the one and only ), short lived. The closeness and intimacy made me uncomfortable so I cut it off after only a short time. Avoidant 

    Second serious relationship in college. Madly IN love, very enmeshed feeling and insecure. Worried all the time about it failing and being rejected. Needed lots of reassurance and validation. She cut it off after only a short time. Anxious  ( very hurt )

    Third long term relationship lasting 3 years. Same as before. Madly IN Love. Felt very insecure and anxious much of the time. Worried a lot about how long it would last.  Felt very manipulated. She cheated on me for months before I found out. I was devastated. Full on RSD attack lasting for years. Anxious 

    Fourth serious relationship ( 1 year ) Very healthy and secure feelings from her but I couldn't let myself connect. Felt uncomfortable trusting and lost interest in sex. I broke it off because I was feeling pressured from her for sex. (Dismissive? )Avoidant 

    Went into a period of a lot of short term relationships based on sex. Some one night stands  and some for only a month or so. Most lasted only 4 months. That seemed like my limit. Ended with me feeling unfulfilled and wanting more that just sex. Avoidant.

    Fifth long term relationship ( almost 3 years )  I was feeling secure but not serious. Ended it when she started talking marriage and realizing I didn't even like her that much. Convenience relationship.  Avoidant 

    Sixth long term relationship was my first wife. Nothing but conflicts and fighting but great sex all the time. Fighting, sex, fighting,  sex.... This felt disturbing.  She left after a few years running off with another guy suddenly without warning. Marriage counselor we went to a few times said she was a Borderline.  I don't doubt it. She Hoovered me once and we had sex, but I had already met my future wife #2 so that went no where. Conflicted....push - pull. Co-dependent. 

    Seventh long term relationship ( 14 years ) Ex-Wife 2. Started out feeling very secure after 1 year off after my 1rst wife.  When she went emotionally distant and sex started drying up, I went back to feeling anxious again. This remained for the rest of our relationship. I'm pretty sure she had an affair at the end which my marriage counseling kept trying to get me to see but I was oblivious.  Anxious 

    It appears pretty obvious to me,  that my insecure attachment pattern is anxious-avoidant.  After years of therapy I'm feeling mostly secure but my tendency to default seems to be one or the other....either anxious or avoidant depending on who I'm with and the circumstances that happened just before each one. I seemed to flip and alternate from one to the other. I find this interesting because simply saying anxious- avoidant seems to imply it's a combination at the same time? 

    This also doesn't show the times feeling dependent but that isn't the predominant styles. 

    It also doesn't show that I definitely have a dismissive-avoident component as I've always felt a strong need to be self reliant and self sufficient but without all the symptoms. From childhood. It's obviously changed throughout the years.This was a good exercise to take as it tells me a lot about myself. I'm calling this progress.

     

    J

  • Who did what by: Swedish coast 2 months 9 hours ago

    Sorry, this post has been entirely rewritten. I was looking for something, but didn't find it. I'm still just as confused about events as before and there are no new insights really. Why is it so hard to accept the casualties of an ADD divorce?

    Today I spoke to someone who has divorced a not diagnosed, but definitely eccentric partner of twenty years. She said it was now obvious all their choices as a couple had been based on her judgment only. With her, her partner had seemed collected and sensible. Without her, he made highly unconventional choices one after the other, seemingly unaware of risks he took, wrecking his economy fast and his relationship with their child. She didn't recognize him. She realized he wasn't who she'd thought at all.

    When people split up, is that universal? You suddenly don't know your former partner, since without you they are no longer recognizable.

    Who did what in this strange creature called a couple? A slow beast with two heads, none of which necessarily understood who they were attached to. Perhaps their own doings made them oversee what the other head was up to. It sure explains why I could be so surprised in the end.

     

  • It's Easy When You Know How... by: J 2 months 12 hours ago

    This is a saying I say all the time at work when helping people who get stuck trying to do something. I just said it again to a co-worker who had messed up a job even though they did their best. I said," you can't know what you don't know....and there are hundreds, even thousands of little tricks in your bag you only learned from experience. These are things they don't teach in any classroom. Knowing how, comes from experience. 

    But doing due diligence ahead of time, preparing yourself for as many contingencies as you can, getting your ducks all lined up in a row and knowing exactly what you're going to, how your going to say it, and when is the best time to say all fall under the "how to" category. I had my all my vocabulary right on the tip of my tongue and no processing and trying to speak and do both was happening. And ....I was prepared for the worst in case that happened. 

    And knowing what kind of animal you're dealing with including the "do's and don'ts" of that particular  personality, makes for the best chance of having a successful, difficult conversation... coming out not only feeling like you were heard but getting to say everything you wanted to say and no one gets angry.

    That happened this morning. And everything I was concerned about was covered at the same time. ( I was kind of amazed )

    And when she said, "okay, we've covered this enough"....that was my cue to stop right there.

    And I have all those who've helped me here on this forum to thank. You've been my wing men and women during this entire process.

    Thank you.

     

    J

     

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